Does God Hate Sinners?

Tom (Discerning the World)

Tom Lessing is the author of the above article. Discerning the World is an internet Christian Ministry based in Johannesburg South Africa. Tom Lessing and Deborah Ellish both own Discerning the World. For more information see the About this Website page below the comments section.

30 Responses

  1. reyjaobs says:

    God hates Calvinists.

  2. Nope! God loves Calvinists because it is not his will that they should perish (2 Peter 3:9). If you hate Calvinists you should repent of your evil sin and ask God for his forgiveness because you are grossly disobeying Him.

    If God is the very essence of love, which of course HE IS, and if He lives in you, you cannot do otherwise but love even your worst enemy. It is impossible not to love others if God lives in you.

  3. Sharon says:

    reyjaobs, I am no friend of Calvinism. But my best friend is a Calvinist. When I saw your comment of “God hates Calvinist” my heart skipped a beat. That is the very same attitude some Calvinists have towards those of us who are not Calvinist.

    If God hated Calvinists then why should He stop at that? Perhaps then He hates people that are disabled like Deborah and myself. Perhaps He hates people that hate Calvinists. Perhaps then He really hates all of us and is going to send us to hell even though we have received Jesus as Savior.

    Read the verses I put here for you.

    Matthew 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
    Luke 6:27 But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you,
    Luke6:35 But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.
    Romans 5:5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.
    1st John 3:14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.
    1st John 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

    There are Calvinists that are truly Born Again just as I know some Catholic people that have been Born Again. Yes, they are in the wrong churches. But…if we hate saved Calvinist, lost Calvinists, then we are guilty of HATE. Read above what the Apostle John says about hate.

    reyjaobs wrote:

    God hates Calvinists.

  4. Sharon says:

    Why did the Protestant Reformers Love Each Other So much?
    1.Luther on Zwingli and His Followers

    Zwingli was greedy of honour . . . he had learnt nothing from me . . . Oecolampadius thought himself too learned to listen to me or to learn from me.
    (Grisar, IV, 309; in Table Talk, 1540)
    Zwinglians . . . are fighting against God and the sacraments as the most inveterate enemies of the Divine Word.
    (Janssen, V, 220-221; LL, III, 454-456)
    It would be better to announce eternal damnation than salvation after the style of Zwingli or Oecolampadius.
    (Daniel-Rops, 85)
    The Zwinglians believed that the Eucharist was wholly symbolic (perhaps the majority position of Protestants today). Hence, whoever believes the same would have had the foregoing said about them by Dr. Luther, who firmly held to consubstantiation, i.e., the actual Body and Blood of Christ is present in the communion along with the bread and wine.

    2. Luther on Bucer

    They think much of themselves, which, indeed, is the cause and wellspring of all heresies . . . Thus Zwingli and Bucer now put forward a new doctrine . . . So dangerous a thing is pride in the clergy.
    A gossip . . . a miscreant through and through . . . I trust him not at all, for Paul says [Titus 3:10] ‘A man that is a heretic, after the first and second admonition, avoid.

    3.) Calvin on Luther and Lutherans

    What to think of Luther I know not . . . with his firmness there is mixed up a good deal of obstinacy . . . Nothing can be safe as long as that rage for contention shall agitate us . . . Luther . . . will never be able to join along with us in . . . the pure truth of God. For he has sinned against it not only from vainglory . . . but also from ignorance and the grossest extravagance. For what absurdities he pawned upon us . . . when he said the bread is the very body! . . . a very foul error. What can I say of the partisans of that cause? Do they not romance more wildly than Marcion respecting the body of Christ? . . . Wherefore if you have an influence or authority over Martin, use it . . . that he himself submit to the truth which he is now manifestly attacking . . . Contrive that Luther . . . cease to bear himself so imperiously. I am carefully on the watch that Lutheranism gain no ground, nor be introduced into France. The best means . . . for checking the evil would be that the confession written by me . . . should be published.

    4. Melanchthon on Zwingli
    The timid Melanchthon launched at least one salvo against Zwingli:
    Zwingli says almost nothing about Christian sanctity. He simply follows the Pelagians, the Papists and the philosophers.

    5. Luther on Protestant “Heretics”

    Heresiarchs . . . remain obdurate in their own conceit. They allow none to find fault with them and brook no opposition. This is the sin against the Holy Ghost for which there is no forgiveness.
    (Grisar, VI, 282; WA, vol. 19, 609 ff.)
    Those are heretics and apostates who follow their own ideas rather than the common tradition of Christendom, who . . . out of pure wantonness, invent new ways and methods.
    (Grisar, VI, 282-283; WA, VII, 394)
    Grisar adds:
    In his frame of mind it became at last an impossibility for him to realise that his hostility and intolerance towards ‘heretics’ within his fold could redound on himself.
    (Grisar, VI, 283)
    We must needs decry the fanatics as damned . . . They actually dare to pick holes in our doctrine; ah, the scoundrelly rabble do a great injury to our Evangel.
    (Grisar, VI, 289; EA, vol. 61, 8 ff.)
    I am on the heels of the Sacramentaries and the Anabaptists; . . . I shall challenge them to fight; and I shall trample them all underfoot.
    (Daniel-Rops, 86)
    “Sacramentarians” or “Sacramentaries ” were those who denied the Real Presence in the Eucharist (e.g., Zwingli).
    Needless to say, Scripture condemns conceit: Romans 12:16: . . . “condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits.” (See also Proverbs 3:7, Romans 11:20, 12:3, 1st Corinthians 3:18, 8:2, Ephesians 2:9).

    JMO: they were all heretics, blasphemers, & murderers.

  5. Redeemed says:

    reyjaobs wrote:

    God hates Calvinists.

    God hates CALVINISM or ANY doctrine that gives a false gospel! Jesus died for sinners because He loves them, but He HATES evil and wickedness and sin of every variety because He is holy and just.

    We should share His burden for the lost no matter what ensnares them. Calvinism is one of Satan’s most cleverest deceptions and yet so many give it a pass and refuse to call it out for what it is. Those who dare to speak out against it, may the Lord give you courage to keep on despite the naysayers.

  6. Sharon says:

    Amen Redeemed. Luke 19:10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost. That is why Jesus came. Who were the lost? ALL of us at one time. He didn’t come to seek and save the elect. The lost get saved and instantly become the elect. Who did God elect? Those that followed the “elected plan” of God for salvation.

    Sometimes we get so focused on exposing heresy that we don’t see past the heresy to see the person, the lost person behind the heresy. I love this web site. The Deb-ster is the heresy terminator. She also knows that God hates the heresy but loves the heretic. He offers true salvation even to heretics. Isn’t that what grace and mercy are about? I can think of a lot of heresies, heretics and assorted other sinners that I have known. One even threatened to kill a member of my family and he was also my pastor at the time. She attempted to run him over with her car in a parking lot. I caught her hiding in the church bathroom one night. I confronted her and threw her out. There was an No Trespass order from the Sheriff’s Office for her to not come to the church. She ended up being arrested. I said all that to say, as mentally ill as that woman is, I do not hate her, nor does my family member. I do hate all of the trouble and grief she caused my family, but I do not hate her.

    Hate never won anyone to Jesus Christ. Hate in our hearts can rob us of sweet fellowship with the Lord. There is no room for hate in the heart that is occupied by the Holy Spirit.

    If Jesus Christ could save us then he can save any one.

  7. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    YAY Redeemed is BACK! *does the dance of joy*

  8. reyjacobs says:

    God hates Calvinists so long as they persist in Calvinism. Of course he loves them and desires they repent and cease being Calvinists. But so long as they remain Calvinists he hates them, especially those who make it their life mission to destroy Christianity by turning all Christians either into Calvinists or atheists using Romans 9 as a blunt weapon to beat their skulls open with.

  9. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    rejacobs

    Hmmm, that is a very confusing sentence… “God hates Calvinists so long as they persist in Calvinism. Of course he loves them” lol. Rey, God loves the person, but he hates the doctrine of Calvinism. The word Calvinist is synonymous with ‘the person’ so you can’t say God hates Calvinists. It’s the SIN He hates.

  10. Redeemed says:

    Reyjacobs, you do not understand the nature and character of the Lord our God. The love of God transcends the deepest and most profound love that we as mere mortals can express or comprehend.

    The love of God drew up His plan of salvation, the cost of which is beyond our ability to understand, but to just simply accept. But the holiness of God cannot tolerate sin whatever form it takes. That does not negate His love for the sinner and His desire that he be reborn and redeemed. God does not hate people who are His precious creation – but He must punish sin. His unfathomable love has provided a path to forgiveness. His Holy Spirit convicts and seeks to save. God is withholding His wrath against sin to allow more to be saved – He is not willing that any be lost.

    Reyjacobs, I fear that if you think God hates the Calvinist, that justifies you to do the same. That is no better than the attitude of the Calvinist/Reformed as spelled out in this article. The devilish doctrine needs to be exposed for the sake of even those who have been ensnared by it as well as those whom they may ensnare and draw into it.

    Christ shed His blood for sinners, which includes every one of us. We should hate the sin that put our Savior on the cross, but demonstrate the divine love that sent Him willingly and voluntarily there as the perfect and only acceptable sacrifice for our sin.

    Reyjacob, do you understand the plan of salvation? At the top of this website there is a full and complete explanation of it – “Charge that to My Account” and I encourage you to peruse it and pray over it. May the Lord bless you and lead you into all truth.

  11. Sharon says:

    You equate God with hate. I am truly sad for you. Do you not understand the simplest and greatest verse of Gods love in the Bible, John 3:16 For God so LOVED THE WORLD…that means all of the world and it includes Muslims, Catholics, Mormons, Methodists, Baptists, Hindus, sinners of any religion, denomination, atheist, agnostics, Satanists, but He hates Calvinists. That is a sick and twisted portrayal of Jehovah God. It is just as twisted as Calvinism.

    You have let YOUR hatred, not for CALVINISM, but Calvinist cloud your mind, heart, and discernment if you have the gift of discernment. We all in Gods family would do well to ourselves to do a study on the Love of God as best we can understand it.

    rejacobs, is there anything that God hates? Yes, He hates SIN. Sin separated God from His creation, man. God created us for fellowship with Him. He created us to know him, to make Him known and thereby Glorify Him. The one true God who IS love doesn’t hate Calvinists. But for some reason you will not let yourself understand the very part of God that God says He is…God is Love. Get yourself a good King James Bible and read John 3:16 over and over. Ask the Holy Spirit to teach you what that verse really means. Then read it over and over again.

    I pray you find peace instead of hatred for Calvinist.

    reyjacobs wrote:

    God hates Calvinists so long as they persist in Calvinism. Of course he loves them and desires they repent and cease being Calvinists. But so long as they remain Calvinists he hates them, especially those who make it their life mission to destroy Christianity by turning all Christians either into Calvinists or atheists using Romans 9 as a blunt weapon to beat their skulls open with.

  12. I wonder if reyjacobs’ comment was just a blip in either logic or in language. Rey’s second and third sentences contradict each other, as Redeemed, Sharon and Debs have virtually pointed out. I would reckon then that Rey meant that God hates Calvinism though not Calvinists but expressed it badly.
    As the third sentence seems to be a retraction of the second, that’s surely what Rey must have meant. Otherwise it would not make any sense.
    If Jesus Christ want’s us to love our enemies–and He does [Matt 5:44]–surely He loves His enemies too. He died for them after all.

  13. Redeemed says:

    Martin, sure hope you are right! I wish Rey J. would come back and clear that up.

  14. reyjacobs wrote:

    God hates Calvinists so long as they persist in Calvinism. Of course he loves them and desires they repent and cease being Calvinists. But so long as they remain Calvinists he hates them, especially those who make it their life mission to destroy Christianity by turning all Christians either into Calvinists or atheists using Romans 9 as a blunt weapon to beat their skulls open with.

    What you are saying in reality is that God hates sinners as long as they remain lost sinners. (John 3:16).

  15. Sheugnet says:

    I do not think the question should be Calvinism or not, but rather Bible or not. After all, God chose Abel. He chose Seth, Noah, Shem, Abraham, Jacob (but not Esau). He chose Jeremiah and Jonah and John the baptist. The point is that we are all hung up on personal salvation opposed to the Kingdom of God that is supposed to be manifest sometime in the near future on earth. Jesus wants a city on a hill as a beacon for the nations; an example to follow. It’s not about the here-after in heaven, but about the here-after on earth. That is why God chose for Himself a NATION – Israel. The world cannot follow the example of a single human being. That’s impossible! God wants nations to follow Him and for that He needs a national example. Yes, we need to be saved or be condemned to hell, but… that benefits me only. We need to understand what God had in mind when He did His choosing. It is all about Him in his Kingship on earth and a lot less about you and me and our salvation.

  16. Sheugnet wrote:

    It is all about Him in his Kingship on earth and a lot less about you and me and our salvation.

    You sound so much like the Emergent fraternity who believe and proclaim the false Gospel that Jesus did not come to the earth to save sinners but to establish his kingdom on earth, here and now. In his book “The Purpose Driven Church” Rick Warren declares over and over that it is not about you. And now, you join the chorus by saying it is a “lot less about you and me and our salvation.” Really? That’s just another ploy of the devil to belittle and malign the cross of Jesus Christ.

    If it’s not about you and me and our salvation what on earth was Jesus doing on the cross? May I ask you a few questions? Do you practice contemplative prayer? Do you attend retreats? Do you walk the labyrinth? I sincerely hope not because that’s the way the emergents believe they can bring the Kingdom of God on earth. It is a cross-less and blood-less gospel which is no gospel at all. Indeed, it is a gospel; that cannot save and henceforth they say “it is not about you and me and our salvation.”

  17. Sheugnet says:

    Dear Thomas
    You may ask questions and my answers are: No, no and no. I am a student of the Word and a seeker of truth. And I absolutely am not belittling the cross of Jesus. All that I am saying is that Jesus bought for Himself a kingdom with His blood and not merely a bunch of individuals who want to follow Him. The whole of Biblical history and all prophecy has do with this truth – that there are 2 kingdoms. The kingdom of light and the kingdom of darkness and we belong in either the one or the other. Now here’s the greatest thing that the church for the past 40-odd years have missed… That a nation can serve God nationally! That does not mean that every individual in that nation is saved, but that the nation is run according to the laws in the Bible and that nationally there is a belief and confession that Jesus Christ is the Lord and King of that specific nation. That nation is now under God’s command and God blesses them. They become the proverbial ‘city upon a hill’. Two nations who have been such God fearing nations in the past 100 years have been South Africa (before the sell out), and the USA (before the 60’s).

    We all as Christians agree that Jesus is going to set up His kingdom upon earth. The Bible is very clear about that. The one thing which is still a bit vague in our minds is exactly HOW He is going to accomplish that. Since we are people who live in mortal bodies, on a physical earth, we can safely say that according to the scriptures something physical must happen. The Bible speaks of the revealing of the man of sin which must happen first before the end comes. Well, that is happening now; and I believe that the ‘end’ which must come, means the end of the current dispensation which started when the Spirit was poured out for the first time – the dispensation of grace. As I understand, the next dispensation will be one of judgement and then the 1000 year reign of Christ. This reign of Christ will be the physical manifestation of the heavenly kingdom upon earth.

  18. Sheugnet wrote:

    You may ask questions and my answers are: No, no and no. I am a student of the Word and a seeker of truth. And I absolutely am not belittling the cross of Jesus. All that I am saying is that Jesus bought for Himself a kingdom with His blood and not merely a bunch of individuals who want to follow Him.

    Your introductory words show that you either have a very vague idea of what salvation is or a very vague idea of what his KIngdom is, or both.

    Where in Scripture does it say Jesus bought for Himself a kingdom with his blood? God says:

    For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul. (Lev 17:11)

    And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission. (Heb 9:22)

    Christ’s blood was shed for the remission of sins. Since when did his Kingdom sin?

    Yes, Jesus is going to set up his Kingdom on earth. He and He alone can and will do it when He returns. The abominable Kingdom- Now false teachers believe they can and ought to do it before Jesus can return. The are not working for the Kingdom of Christ; they are preparing the way for the abominable kingdom of antichrist.

  19. Sheugnet says:

    Of course, Thomas. You are 100% correct.

  20. Sheugnet says:

    I’m sorry, Thomas. I never did answer your questions.

    You ask: Since when did his kingdom sin?

    My answer: In Adam when Adam rebelled against God’s authority did the kingdom sin.

    You ask: Where in the scriptures does it say Jesus bought for Himself a kingdom with His blood?

    My answer: A kingdom cannot consist out of a few people. To have a kingdom, a king needs a country, a subject people, a law and a seal. We know that God has a country for the earth is the Lords and the fullness thereof; we know that God has a law as per the 10 commandments; we know that God has a seal which is the Holy Spirit and the Sabbath. The only thing which needed to be bought back since the fall of man is man himself.

    I totally agree with you that the Kingdom Now teachings are absolutely false. I do however understand that the Kingdom of God will come through a people (Israel), subjecting themselves to God and then, being God’s tool, bring judgment upon those who are the seed of Satan, as it says in Obadiah 1:17-21.

    Thank you for the opportunity to explain my view and understanding of the scriptures.

  21. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    Sheugnet

    >> we know that God has a seal which is the Holy Spirit and the Sabbath.

    Ahhhhh, the Sabbath? Trying to combine grace and the law I see. Are you a Seventh-day Adventist or a Hebrew Roots follower?

    [Edited: I was actually writing this article when you posted your comment –> Please read: The Sabbath and the Tribulation]

  22. I’m sorry, Thomas. I never did answer your questions.

    You ask: Since when did his kingdom sin?

    My answer: In Adam when Adam rebelled against God’s authority did the kingdom sin

    So when Jesus said: “The kingdom of heaven is at hand” He meant that the sinful kingdom in Adam has come among them.

    You are way off base. His kingdom did not sin; Adam and Eve sinned.

  23. Sheugnet.

    You know as well as I that the Kingdom of God is not present on earth yet. Had it already been here we wouldn’t have to pray “Let thy Kingdom come.” And so too we wouldn’t need to pray “let thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven” when everyone was already doing his will 100%. How can something that is not on earth yet, sin? And how can God’s Kingdom which is already in heaven, sin?

    I’m sorry Sheugnet, but you are talking nonsense and I’m really not in the mood to listen to a few childish remqarks.

  24. Sheugnet says:

    To Deborah. No, I am not an Adventist nor do I follow Hebrew Roots. I am an Afrikaans Boervrou and that’s all. By the gracious in-working of the Holy Spirit I desire to keep God’s law. It is therefor no longer a ‘work’, but a consequence.

  25. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    sheugnet

    You desire to keep God’s law? Do you keep the rest of the laws as the bible commands? Did you read Galations?

  26. I remember when I was in the Worldwide Church of God, Debs. They had the idea that you could keep the law–in the Spirit!! The hierarchy maintained that though the law could not be kept in all its demands the main parts could be. I’m not kidding.
    They claimed that the 10 commandments, the Passover, Day of Atonement, and the Feast of Tabernacles (Succoth) could be kept in the spirit and therefore the law was still incumbent upon us. I think the SDAs have a similar slant on it, at least regarding the Sabbath.
    They also had a good retort–but not an answer–for Galatians. It belonged to their list of “Difficult Scriptures”! They just couldn’t admit they were wrong. It’s a bit like trying to prove to someone that 1+1=2 when they are convinced 1+1=3.

  27. Malachi 1:1,3 – The burden of the word of the LORD to Israel by Malachi.

    I have loved you, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob’s brother? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob, And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.

    God says it all right here and we should never strive to be like Esau who hated God and his gifts.

  28. Chaplain Bob Walker wrote:

    Malachi 1:1,3 – The burden of the word of the LORD to Israel by Malachi.

    I have loved you, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob’s brother? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob, And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.

    God says it all right here and we should never strive to be like Esau who hated God and his gifts.

    Come on Chaplain, you should know better than that (John 3:10). You ought to know by now that the Holy Spirit often uses forceful language to emphasize a truth he wants to bring across. For instance, in Luke 14:26 Jesus said: “If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.” How can this be when Paul admonishes husbands to love their wives in the very same way Christ loves his church? (Ephesians 5:25). Do you really think Jesus would contradict himself when He personally gave the Gospel to Paul? It simply means that your love for God must be so overwhelmingly intense that your love for your wife should seem like something equal to hatred. Do you hate your wife, Chaplain? If you do, please don’t tell her without explaining to her the meaning of Luke 14:26.

    In any case, Malachi does not refer to the individuals, Jacob and Esau, but to the two nations they represent (Genesis 5:23). If God hated the nation that came from Esau then the entire nation would be reprobate (non-elect) and bound for hell. Similarly, if God loved Jacob then the entire nation of Israel would have been elected unto salvation and irretrievably bound for heaven. That’s ridiculous. Jesus Himself said that the great majority of the Jews are bound for hell and only a remnant will be saved (Matthew 8:12).

    Calvinists who quote Malachi 1:1,3 and Romans 9:13 are really getting a bit boring. The sad thing is that Calvinists do not want to listen to reason. They are bent on teaching that God hates sinners. That’s pure blasphemy. Stop your nonsense and repent.

  29. Chaplain Bob Walker says:

    Thomas Lessing (Watch and Pray / Waak en Bid) wrote:

    Malachi 1:1,3 – The burden of the word of the LORD to Israel by Malachi.

    I have loved you, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob’s brother? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob, And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.

    God says it all right here and we should never strive to be like Esau who hated God and his gifts.

    Come on Chaplain, you should know better than that (John 3:10). You ought to know by now that the Holy Spirit often uses forceful language to emphasize a truth he wants to bring across. For instance, in Luke 14:26 Jesus said: “If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.” How can this be when Paul admonishes husbands to love their wives in the very same way Christ loves his church? (Ephesians 5:25). Do you really think Jesus would contradict himself when He personally gave the Gospel to Paul? It simply means that your love for God must be so overwhelmingly intense that your love for your wife should seem like something equal to hatred. Do you hate your wife, Chaplain? If you do, please don’t tell her without explaining to her the meaning of Luke 14:26.

    In any case, Malachi does not refer to the individuals, Jacob and Esau, but to the two nations they represent (Genesis 5:23). If God hated the nation that came from Esau then the entire nation would be reprobate (non-elect) and bound for hell. Similarly, if God loved Jacob then the entire nation of Israel would have been elected unto salvation and irretrievably bound for heaven. That’s ridiculous. Jesus Himself said that the great majority of the Jews are bound for hell and only a remnant will be saved (Matthew 8:12).

    Calvinists who quote Malachi 1:1,3 and Romans 9:13 are really getting a bit boring. The sad thing is that Calvinists do not want to listen to reason. They are bent on teaching that God hates sinners. That’s pure blasphemy. Stop your nonsense and repent.

    Chaplain Bob Walker wrote:

    I never said God hates ALL SINNERS or he would hate me.

    Difference between you and I is I believe the Bible and what it says.

    But I shall let you argue with the Lord and maybe you can decide if you wish to love Satan.

  30. Chaplain Bob Walker wrote:

    I never said God hates ALL SINNERS or he would hate me.

    Difference between you and I is I believe the Bible and what it says.

    But I shall let you argue with the Lord and maybe you can decide if you wish to love Satan.

    So, what you are actually saying is that whoever believes that God loves all mankind (John 3:16), is a lover of Satan. Is that it?

    Who, may I ask, are the sinners whom God hates, excluding you, of course, as you said. Are you sure you believe the Bible and what it says? Are you not perhaps believing John Calvin, the serial killer and murderer. who had those whom he hated, executed?

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