Retha McPherson’s Message from Another God – (Part 2)

Deborah (Discerning the World)

Discerning the World is an internet Discernment ministry based in Johannesburg South Africa that was founded by Deborah du Rand in 2008. Tom Lessing joined Deborah in May 2013. Tom Lessing founded the website "Waak en Bid/Watch and Pray" which was closed in 2013 and articles moved across to DTW.

45 Responses

  1. Sharon says:

    Revelation 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

  2. Rethal Conkle says:

    This is a great article. We hear so much today of people going to heaven and coming back. I’ve always had doubts about their experiences. This answers a lot of question and I shared it on a couple of fb groups I belong to.

  3. Ingrid says:

    Rethal Conkle wrote:

    This is a great article. We hear so much today of people going to heaven and coming back. I’ve always had doubts about their experiences. This answers a lot of question and I shared it on a couple of fb groups I belong to.

  4. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    Thanks Ingrid!!

  5. Carolyn says:

    Debs, an impressive expose of mysticism at it’s finest. Well done!! Many things registered truth as I read through each point you made but the thing that stood out was how bit by bit, they were led to the place of anti-christ…where Aldo took the place of Christ. Contemplative and Christianized witchcraft rituals and mantras steadily and surely replaced the gospel and then Christ was replaced by Aldo. Wow, what a journey.

    Quote: “Aldo says, “I will lead those who are lost out of their despair under the Cloud, Just like Moses did.” pg 93

    This is an incredible statement. 1) Aldo is saying he is replacing Jesus Christ and will lead people out of their despair to God 2) Aldo is referring to the OT and Moses – thereby placing himself under the law and all who believe his nonsense under law. 3) Aldo is not getting his information from God, but from Satan, and this Cloud he is speaking about is actually the Cloud of Unknowning. Aldo wants to lead people into Contemplative spirituality.”

    Note to Debs and Tom: I haven’t been active on the site for awhile, but congrats on teaming up with Watch and Pray….good move!

  6. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    Carolyn

    Your’re back! Yay! :)))

  7. Matin Horan says:

    Debs, you just never cease to amaze me. I should expect it by now. But I don’t. What an excellent piece. Detailed but to the point–as always. I just want to go over this again and again. It is so insightful. My only complaint is: it is keeping me from work I’ve to catch up on! Ah well, back to another perusal.
    I was about to say, “Keep up the good work.” Not much point when you keep excelling yourself to put Jesus first.
    Thanks again. May God keep inspiring you. (Why do I know that He will?!)

  8. Andrew, Answering Thomas... says:

    Dear Thomas, answering your question on Matthew 12:32, is one of the easiest questions to answer! I’m very surprised that you could not figure it out yourself.
    The answer is short and sweet, “The Son of man is subordinate to the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit being a manifistation of Almighty God,” Son of man means the fleshly body. If you can’t understand this I suggest you Ask God to reveal it to you.

  9. Carolyn says:

    Debs…yup. da fly is back. Who can resist all the refreshing honesty on DTW and yer quick wit? Seriously, though, I could not have remained a fly on the wall for this book review even if I had wanted to. For some reason, the Holy Spirit was witnessing truth all the way through. Very, VERY insightful! *exclamation mark*

  10. And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come. (Matthew 12:32)

    According to your rendering the above verse should read as follows:

    And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man (a mode of the Holy Spirit who is a manifestation of Almighty God, who IS Jesus Christ), it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost (who is a manifestation of Almighty God, who IS Jesus Christ), it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
    (Matthew 12:32)

    Now, please tell me who it is that warrants an anathema when you speak out against Him – Jesus Christ in the flesh who is Almighty God or the Holy Ghost who is supposedly a manifestation of Almighty God (Jesus Christ)? Your view of God usually leads to this kind of bizarre interpretations of Scripture. I think it is you who can’t understand. Perhaps you are the one who should ask God to reveal it to you.

  11. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    Martin

    Sorry Martin! But I am sure you will catch up 🙂 God Bless you!

  12. Reinhardt says:

    The critics of the day also said: “Mat 11:19 The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.” Makes you think!!

  13. Yes, and He also warned against false teachers and false teachings. “And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.” (Mat 24:4-5). It should make you think.

  14. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    Reinhard

    >>The critics of the day also said: “Mat 11:19 The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.” Makes you think!!

    Yes it does make you think when you understand the scripture correctly.

    Here Jesus is accused of sitting with sinners, not false teachers preaching a false gospel. But let me give you a little bible lesson.

    Matthew 11:16-19
    16 But whereunto shall I liken this generation? It is like to children sitting in the markets, and calling to their fellows, 17 And saying, We have piped to you, and you have not danced; we have mourned to you, and you have not lamented. 18 For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, He has a devil. 19 The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a drunkard, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.

    Jesus said, “He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.” It is so easy to hear with the ear but fail to receive the truth in the heart.
    Here Jesus show about a contrast between John’s ministry and His own, and although there is big difference between the two, there is very little response to either one
    Jesus says, “But whereunto shall I liken this generation? It is like unto children sitting in the markets, and calling unto their fellows, and saying, We have piped unto you, and ye have not danced; we have mourned unto you, and ye have not lamented. For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, He hath a devil. The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.

    “Ye have not danced; ye have not lamented.” So it was like it was neither a wedding or a funeral, it was all the same emotions to the people. There was no response to either John’s ministry or Jesus’ ministry. The gospel made no effect on the great majority of the people to repent.

    You see, “John came neither eating nor drinking.” John was a man of the wilderness, he denied himself all ordinary comforts. But they declared he was demonic.
    Jesus they declared, “A man gluttonous, and a winebibber.” Jesus was a Man of the people. He moved freely among sinners and ate with them at their feasts. All they could accuse him of was eating and drinking too much.

    Are you one of those that hear with the ear but fail to receive the truth in the heart?

  15. Reinhardt says:

    To Thomas and Deborah: I learned a valuable lesson from a friend of mine. He said: “I would rather make the mistake and call a devil an angel, than to make the mistake and one day find out i called an angel a devil” Maybe its worth thinking about.

  16. Reinhardt wrote:

    To Thomas and Deborah: I learned a valuable lesson from a friend of mine. He said: “I would rather make the mistake and call a devil an angel, than to make the mistake and one day find out i called an angel a devil” Maybe its worth thinking about.

    I wouldn’t do that if I were you because it is very dangerous.

    Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! (Isa 5:20)

  17. Sharon says:

    This story of her son and herself is a bunch of Demonic Balony or Bologna how ever one wishes to spell it. She hears satan literally talk to her and God does too. My granddaughters wouldn’t even fall for such as this.

    How any one with half a mind would fall for this false prophetess is beyond me.

    Wolf hunters….the wolves are getting loonier and more dangerous. Read the Word, know the word and live the word.

    It is terrible how she is using her son and doesn’t recognize the spirit, unholy spirit that is attacking them.

  18. Redeemed says:

    Reinhardt, your “valuable lesson” is not what the Bible teaches. The Bible teaches that we are to discern good from evil and not to refrain from doing so. The Bible does not deal in man-made platitudes, but rather in Spirit-filled truth.

  19. Reinhardt

    That’s your problem. You are not discerning good from evil and holding to that which is good.

  20. Reinhardt says:

    To Thomas & Redeemed: I agree fully in what you say. I also know we are all human and make mistakes.The question i have to answer is: One day when i stand before the King of Kings and you were right about the McPherson’s and i was wrong,will i be denied excess to Heaven? The question you have to answer if i was right and you were wrong, where would that leave you?

  21. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    Reinhart

    No you don’t fully agree in what they say because if you fully agreed you would be on our side against Retha and Aldo McPherson, not for them. Thomas said, “That’s your problem. You are not discerning good from evil and holding to that which is good.” Retha preaches an evil doctrine and you are fighting in favour of it, and proclaiming it to be good.

    Are you agreeing with us? that her doctrine she preaches is now evil? what makes you think this all of a sudden?

    >> The question i have to answer is: One day when i stand before the King of Kings and you were right about the McPherson’s and i was wrong,will i be denied excess to Heaven?

    This is what the bible says about people like Retha and the people she leads down another path:

    Matthew 7:21-23 21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

    Matthew 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

    >> The question you have to answer if i was right and you were wrong, where would that leave you?

    We are right because it can be proven against scripture. Ask us any question Reinhardt about Retha and her false doctrine and we can PROVE FROM THE BIBLE that it is false. You on the other hand can’t prove one bit that it is correct.

    And we all make mistakes (it’s called sin) but if we go to Jesus and ask forgiveness Jesus forgives us.

    1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

    If we don’t repent:

    Luke 13:3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

  22. Reinhardt wrote:

    I also know we are all human and make mistakes.

    Jesus never allowed “mistakes” as an excuse to validate false teaching and doctrines. He said that we should take heed that no one deceives you (Matthew 24:4). It is an emphatic command and we must obey.

  23. Redeemed says:

    Reinhardt, apparently you do not have a basic understanding of what salvation is. I suggest you go back to square one and get that straight.
    That is much more important than the issue at hand.

    You posed the question that if you were wrong about the people in question would you be denied access to heaven.

    Reinhardt, that says that you do not understand what gives you access to heaven. This is serious and you need to be sure of your salvation. Read the articles at the top of the page on this site entitled “Charge That to My Account”. You will then understand how to be truly saved. Then you will have clarity on issues like this as well. I pray the Lord will reveal the plan of salvation to you.

  24. JOJEAN says:

    Christ warned us to NOT be deceived many times. Mt. 24 He warned that false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. The book “Message from God” falls into this category of deception. It is NO coincidence that these types of books are popping up like mushrooms lately. It is all part of the enemy’s delusion to snare those who do not know the Bible or who do not have the gift of discerning of spirits. Yahweh says what He means and means what He says! Only Paul and John had experiences of being in Heaven and Paul says that when he visited the third Heaven he saw and heard things that he was NOT to speak of! And in Revelation, John didn’t reveal anything like what Retha states in her book. And there is a warning that if anyone ADDS or TAKES away from what is stated in Revelation, they will lose their place in the Book of Life. We are also told that Yahweh has things for us that we can’t even begin to imagine! Also, what is the purpose of this book? Hebrews 1:2 states that in these last days Yahweh has spoken to us by His Son, Who is the Word made flesh! We have His Word that Christ said is truth.(JN.17:17) So what is the purpose of books like this one? Sid Roth had Retha on his show “It’s Supernatural.” BUT, supernatural doesn’t mean it always refers to things of God! There are all sorts of spirits, demons, angels and other things in the spirit realm. So I encourage each of you to not accept anything that is NOT in the Word of God! Satan is a deceiver and counterfeiter and is able to present his deceptions in ways that appear to be of God! So to quote Christ: DO NOT BE DECEIVED!!!!

  25. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    Thanks Jojean

  26. Frans says:

    Amazingly, I only recently heard about Retha’s ministry and suddenly I’m hearing about it a lot. Don’t know how I missed this one. The things I heard immediately made me concerned for my friends who follow her teachings. The red flags immediately went up when they told me about Aldo’s frequent heavenly visits and messages from God, etc. Last night I went to the website and read some of Retah’s newsletters. Aldo gets instructions directly from Wisdom. I’m not sure who this Wisdom is supposed to be, an Angel or the HS, but I happened on your site today and saw an article you published about another New Age ministry who also speaks to “Wisdom.” I made some enquiries from a very solid recognised ministry as to what they know about Retah and they confirmed all my concerns. Your site was a second confirmation. Add to this that Retah’s appearance fee is a minimum of R15 000 and as much as R60 000 for a weekend and you have to ask yourself why on Earth would anybody fall for that? What happened to peddling the Word of God for profit?

    However, I want to add one caveat to this, in response to your article, especially part 1. Not everything addressed is as cut and dried as analyzed. In what I’ve read so far, a lot of what Retha says is basically correct and even Scriptural. Therein lies the biggest danger. Satan doesn’t deceive us through something that is a 100% lie. He does so by something that is a mixture of truth and error. In the words of Mary Poppins: “A spoonful of sugar makes the medicine go down.” Here’s the thing though, people feign over the messages God revealed through these anointed ones, but as you pointed out if you actually read the messages there is NOTHING of substance there or that you could not have read in the Bible yourself. “Jesus is Alive.” That’s the message? Okey dokey. “Jesus says He’s coming very, very, very soon.” Wow, that’s great to know. Oh wait, I know that “for the Bible tells me so.”

    I’m not sure I agree with your understanding though of some of the concepts. Offering ourselves as a living sacrifice is not unbiblical (Romans 12). We also die daily, take up our cross, lose our lives for His sake and love not our lives unto death. What better illustration do we have of this than the persecuted church, or those who answer God’s call to the unreached of this world? Did I misunderstand what you meant? Do you not also believe that our families belong to Him?

    As for raising the dead, here I am qualified to comment, specifically about the movie mentioned “The Lazarus Phenomenon,” which featured the story of Daniel Ekechukwu, as I was one of the filmmakers. During the making of the movie we, the Director and I, got seriously concerned about the authenticity of the story and the theological concepts Daniel Eke proposed. Our encounters with the man also gave us some serious reason for concern. Even Reinhard Bonke’s people wouldn’t allow him to testify of his NDE experience. We eventually asked for it to be left out of the final movie, but the Producer refused. So if Retah based any spiritual understanding on his story, it would be another reason for concern.

  27. Frans

    Retha McPherson said, “I had to live through a terrible tragedy and huge suffering, before I was finally willing to sacrifice everything, including my son to God.” pg 5

    and again Retha thinks that we lay our lives down as a living sacrifice to Jesus, she says.

    “Jesus is coming for a spotless Bride: those who will lay down their lives as a living sacrifice to Him.” pg 6

    Nowhere in the Bible are we told to sacrifice our families. We are told not to love them more than God. Jesus uses the word “hate” in Luke 14:26 in a comparative way. Your love for God compared to your love for your wife, children, brethren and sisters should be so intense that your love for your own family should seem like hatred. Let me give you an example. A young woman received the calling to become a missionary in a far country. Her mother was not very happy about it and said to her – “over my dead body.” It was over her dead body. She died and the rest of the family accused the young women that she hated her mom and that it had killed her. Yet she obeyed God and went on to do his will as a missionary.

    The only place we are told to sacrifice something is in Romans 12:1 but there it is not a sacrifice of our families but of our bodies as a living sacrifice. The young women who obeyed God rather than her mother, sacrificed her body (not her mother) as a living sacrifice because she loved God more than her mother.

  28. Frans says:

    Hmm. Thank you for that clarification. I will study up on that a bit. As a man who loves the Lord and who longs to live my life for Him, I can imagine (by His strength, not my own) paying the price of martyrdom if it came to that, but it is harder for me to imagine allowing my family to be martyred and tortured for our faith. (Again, only by His strength and Grace could such a thing be possible). Yet many faithful believers through the ages have done exactly that. Were they wrong in sacrificing their families? Would it at that point have been more Biblical to deny Jesus and save their families? I’m not in any way defending R McP’s doctrines or teaching. I’m merely questioning some of the specific points of contention in the article. Let’s leave aside the esoteric doctrines espoused by these “ministries,” e.g. Retah’s take on the Samuel story, but is Hanna’s dedication of Samuel to God not a true Biblical example of a loved one being given to God? Other examples would be Moses, John the Baptist, Samson and of course Jesus.

  29. Frans

    I really think you misunderstand. The command is to sacrifice yourself as a living sacrifice to God. You cannot sacrifice anyone of your family members. They must do it themselves personally. Even when they are martyred it is not you who are sacrificing them. Some of them might deny Jesus and opt to live instead of dying for Him. That would not be your decision but their own. So, as you see, it is always the individual’s own choice to either present himself a living sacrifice to God and if necessary to be martyred.

  30. Frans says:

    Thomas Lessing, I do understand, and I agree it is a personal choice to give oneself as a living sacrifice. However, I do also see some Biblical precedent, as I mentioned before, of giving another as a “living sacrifice.” The examples I cited was where children were concerned, e.g. Samuel, John the Baptist, etc. Hanna made the choice for Samuel. Ultimately he could’ve rejected the choice when he was at an age of discernment and understanding. The same goes for Isaac, who scholars believe was already a young adult when Abraham put him on the altar (thus making it an even more powerful foreshadowing of Jesus willingly laying down His life). But the challenge was to Abraham. Did He trust God to fulfill His covenant? Yes, even if it meant raising his son from the dead. (In the context of this article, Retah McP might argue Aldo had the right to reject being given to God, but he accepted it).

    Anyway, it’s not worth arguing about semantics. The point I was actually trying to make is that there’s enough obvious error in this ministry, like the angelic visitations, spurious prophecies, visions, etc. that nitpicking on things that are more open to interpretation and doctrinal bias weakens the article as a whole. Take away all the Supernatural encounters and elements of the story then some (I emphasise “some”) of the quotes you cited from her book suddenly becomes less controversial. I’m really glad I read through the whole article as it provided some valuable insight, but in the early reading I felt that the analysis was a bit light-weight and I was tempted to click away. I’m really sorry if this offends you and I know you will probably disagree, and that’s fine, but applying some just weights and measures will help in the credibility of what you’re trying to achieve. Jesus gives us an excellent example in the letters to the churches of Revelation, e.g. I know your good works, but I have this against you…

    Bless you as you keep contending for the faith.

  31. Anyway, it’s not worth arguing about semantics.

    I am not arguing. Are you?

    Elizabeth did not sacrifice or even dedicate her son John. God Himself called him from his mother’s womb to be Christ’s forerunner. Hannah dedicated her son Samuel to God but as you’ve said he himself had to become willing to dedicate himself when he as a boy reached the age of accountability.

    If Elizabeth and Hannah sacrificed their two boys to God then there is nothing wrong in Retha’s sacrificing her son to God. If they could do it, she can do it as well. However, Retha’s boy seems to be merely a pawn and a very sturdy stepping stone to spread her heresies. She is merely using (abusing) him to give her teachings credibility. Neither Elizabeth nor Hannah did anything of the kind. I am not trying to belabor the point; I am merely saying that we should be very careful when we say things. It could very well give those who spread lies some credibility and render the things they say less controversial and you wouldn’t want to do that, would you?

    What makes you think I am offended? I am not offended. Why would I be offended when you yourself blessed me and acknowledged that I am contending for the faith? Is contending for the faith equal to being offended? I am growing tired of people who resort to ad hominem attacks when I try to answer them in a civilized way. I must, however, thank you because your ad hominem accusations that I am arguing and that I am offended, is far more lenient than some of the ad hominem attacks of some of the people on this site.

    Are you suggesting that Jesus’ exhortations in Revelations “I know your good works, but I have this against you . . .” puts a stamp of approval on Retha McPherson’s tomfooleries?

  32. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    Frans

    It’s clear you don’t understand the difference between Retha’s version of sacrificing and the biblical sacrificing. Please read the article(s) again. And if you don’t understand what I am saying, research further to find out – don’t tell me I am wrong and analysed her incorrectly.

  33. Frans says:

    No, I’m not suggesting “that Jesus’ exhortations in Revelations “I know your good works, but I have this against you . . .” puts a stamp of approval on Retha McPherson’s tomfooleries.” I believe I’ve made it clear enough in my posts that I agree that her ministry is a false one. I also believe I’ve communicated my other points clearly enough. I’ll leave it at that.

  34. Frans wrote

    No, I’m not suggesting “that Jesus’ exhortations in Revelations “I know your good works, but I have this against you . . .” puts a stamp of approval on Retha McPherson’s tomfooleries.” I believe I’ve made it clear enough in my posts that I agree that her ministry is a false one. I also believe I’ve communicated my other points clearly enough. I’ll leave it at that.

    Why mention it then if it has no bearing on our discussion?

  35. William bob says:

    It’s hard to believe how much you ” know” but are so doubting. Explain THIS …11″Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me; otherwise believe because of the works themselves. 12″Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do, he will do also; and greater works than these he will do; because I go to the Father. 13″Whatever you ask in My name, that will I do, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son.… If We as believers can do GREATER works than Christ ( We raised Lazarus from they dead.. Where do you get the License to tell us that ” only the Disciples” could do such miracles? I truly Believe doubters such as yourself are An IMPEDIMENT, aSTUMBLING BLOCK to those who would seek Christ. Don’t bother writing Back. REPENT first, that you should place yourself in such authority. Amen.

  36. William bob says:

    That’s Supposed to be ” WHO raised Lazarus from the dead “

  37. William bob,

    What are the greater works He referred to?

  38. anton says:

    Hi Deborah / People
    Reading all the mails and that people are concerned about this minisrty ….glad about the fact that people are looking into the Word of God to find truth. . Retha is “bowling everybody out” in the Paarl district / W/Cape .

  39. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    William Bob

    I am writing back. I laugh at your comment.

  40. Anthony says:

    An excellent article Deborah, thanks you so much :).

    it seems many Jesus are popping out everywhere on earth, here we have another person claiming to be talking directly to Jesus, Vassula Ryden from TLG ” http://www.tlig.org/ ” and there is another “Deborah ” in Denmark writing this article exposing the darker side of TLG ” http://www.pseudomystica.info/ingerliseprov3.htm “..

    There is only ONE God , the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, he says, I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me. ” it is very clear that only through Jesus we come to the father ”

    one more thing, no one can receive the holy spirit if he does not first repent, accept Jesus as God and saviour and only then the holy spirit will start his work in this person.

    and also in john 3:16, For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life..

  41. Ilze says:

    This woman- Retha McPherson- is a true daughter of the Almighty God – Lord God Jehovah. She loves the Lord Jesus Christ – and Ruach Hakodesh. She lives a holy life. May our Lord Jesus Christ remove the veils from your eyes and heart.

  42. Ilze,

    I suggest that you make doubly sure that you are following the true Jesus of the Bible and not another Jesus.

    I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. (Gal 1:6-8)

  43. John Andrews UK/Ireland says:

    Ilze wrote:

    This woman- Retha McPherson- is a true daughter of the Almighty God – Lord God Jehovah. She loves the Lord Jesus Christ – and Ruach Hakodesh. She lives a holy life.

    The fact that Retha McPherson’s whole ministry and testimony is based on a lie doesn’t bother you? No one has the ability to travel back and forth between heaven and earth. Only Jesus is able to according to the Bible. John 3:12-14 (NKJV)

    12 If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things? 13 No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven.

    Thus you prefer to say “she lives a holy life” when she blatantly bases her ministry on a lie that you would like to believe?

    2 Timothy 4:3 (KJV)

    3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears

    Think on the verses above and then still stand your ground on Retha McPherson? – not possible, unless one is deceived.

  44. Ena Diedericks says:

    I don’t know what makes me feel more uncomfortable -Rethas writings etc or this critique. To be honest, both make me feel very uncomfortable. At first glance, reading her stuff, her mother tongue, like mine, being Afrikaans, I think that her English is less than perfect and that causes an imperfect expression of what she actually wants to convey. The book hasn’t been edited and that is a great pity. I did not perceive her book as “inspired” and I didn’t exactly enjoy the read. I won’t recommend it either.
    I don’t like her ministry though. I do believe her experiences she has in her walk with God are true and are for her own spiritual growth. It resonates with the kind of things that other great men of God also share. I don’t think she should make a ministry out of it.
    I agree with Reinhardt and would not call Retha demonized. She does try to convince through her own story though that being called a Christian and a church goer does not make you one. She clearly sketches this by outlining her circumstances before the accident and after. But she was still not wholly committed to Christ even after that. She was saved at one point but not filled with the Holy Spirit – I previously came to the conclusion that she just jumped into this ministry way before spiritual maturity. I introduced myself to her years back after one of her witnessing sessions and with shock discerned that something was amiss. It does seem that she eventually had a complete conversion. That does imply she gave her whole being to the Lord and received the Holy Spirit. I was shocked yet again that she actually had a ministry going originally without having received the Holy Spirit. That stresses my point that she shouldn’t have had one then and neither now. She has a story to share – we all do. That doesn’t make us called to “ministry”. Jesus told her son to tell everybody He lives – not her going gallivanting across her country – and now abroad – with this “ministry”.
    But concerning the criticism in this article – I generally found you conclusions erroneous. One example – re the sacrificed life: Romans 12:1
    ” 1 Therefore I urge you, brethren, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies a living and holy sacrifice, acceptable to God” Yes, we are to give ourselves wholly to the Lord. You will only be enabled to do this after receiving the Holy Spirit, after repenting and accepting Jesus as Lord and Savior. First salvation, then receiving the Holy Spirit. Then spiritual growth into spiritual maturity – leaving the things of the flesh behind. You said something about fighting sin – she doesn’t say that, she said flesh. Paul speaks about the “old man”.
    That brings me to the greatest reason why I am doing the trouble to react on this forum: the whole family of God (the saved ones) is not the Bride. The bride of Christ is those who have the nature of the Lamb. They have sacrificed (laid down) their own will/lives/name/fame just like he did. He showed us the way to follow. That is a hard road this crucified life and only by His mercy and grace and by the “Child trainer” – the Holy Spirit and through intimacy with the Lord (the Holy Place) this is worked out. Philippians 2:12 says: :Work out your salvation with fear and trembling. Speaking to believers. Also Rev 19:7 The bride must make herself ready.
    Don’t be too critical on Retha’s experiences lest we blaspheme against the Holy Spirit.

  45. Ena Diedericks,

    You end your comment with these words,

    Don’t be too critical on Retha’s experiences lest we blaspheme against the Holy Spirit.

    Yet you ventured to add your own critique to this post? Aren’t you afraid that what you had said might be blasphemy against the Holy Spirit?

    With regard to your view on the Bride of Christ. Are you an adherent to the holiness movement?

    You said,

    That brings me to the greatest reason why I am doing the trouble to react on this forum: the whole family of God (the saved ones) is not the Bride. The bride of Christ is those who have the nature of the Lamb. They have sacrificed (laid down) their own will/lives/name/fame just like he did. He showed us the way to follow. That is a hard road this crucified life and only by His mercy and grace and by the “Child trainer” – the Holy Spirit and through intimacy with the Lord (the Holy Place) this is worked out.

    You are contradicting what Jesus said. He said that his commandments are not burdensome (heavy; weighty) (1 John 5:3-4). And surely one of his most important commands – if I may call it that – is,

    And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. (Mark 8:34)

    According to Jesus this command is not heavy or burdensome, meaning that every child of God is able to obey it every single day of his life. Why is it not difficult? Because every single child of God has already been crucified with Christ and has already been buried in his death, has already risen with Him from the dead and is already seated with Him in heavenly places. The only thing he needs to do is to reckon that he is indeed dead to sin (note the singular which refers to the sinful Adamic nature and not sins). That is why Jesus said that his commandments are not burdensome, heavy or difficult. Every child of God can do it. Do we all do it every day? No, of course not, but does this mean those who fail to do it every day are not his Bride? Perish the thought. Paul proves that they are indeed his Bride in 1 Corinthians.

    According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; Every man’s work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man’s work of what sort it is. If any man’s work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man’s work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. (1 Corinthians 3:10-15).

    Here we see the Bride of Christ (all believers without exception) being judged at the Bema Throne Judgement Seat. Jesus Christ is going to rapture his Bride (all the believers) and not only those Christians who have gained a higher level of spirituality (who laid down their will/lives/name/fame). Notice the range of building material – gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay and stubble. The latter (wood, hay and stubble) are all the things that were done in the flesh and in one’s own efforts. These works are going to go up in flames. Yet the ones who have done these kind of works will stand next to the other members of the Bride of Christ in heaven during the Bema Seat Judgment. They will not be left behind on earth at the Rapture because they did not perform as well as the other super Christians who, as you say, have the nature of the Lamb. By the way, don’t all Christians who have been saved receive the nature of the Lamb? (Galatians 2:20).

    If the whole family of God (the saved ones) is not the Bride, then Paul must have hallucinated when he said,

    Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me. For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtlety, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. (2 Corinthians 11:1-3)

    Paul says here that he betrothed (married them off) to One Husband and therefore all of them are his Bride. Yet there were some who did not live the crucified life as they should have. Nevertheless, this did not cut them off from remaining the Bride of Christ.

    Beware of high mindedness to say “I have the nature of the Lamb because I have laid down my will/life/name and fame. The others do not have the nature of the Lamb because they have not done what I have done.” It sounds too much like the Pharisee who boasted,

    The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. (Luke 18:11)

    Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall. (Proverbs 16:18)