The General Conversation Section – If You Don’t Know Where to Say it, Say it Here!

Smiley says:

Estelle wrote:

Smiley wrote:

Any church that does not allow the Holy Spirit to move in a Church and Let people hear the Gospel of Jesus Christ and give then an opportunity to give there heart to Jesus.

Okay, does the church allow the Holy Spirit to move? So if the church doesn’t allow it, then the Holy Spirit can’t move?
That doesn’t even make sense? How can people or a church ‘allow’ God to move. God and the Holy Spirit doesn’t need anyone’s permission. God is Almighty, He can do whatever He wants, whenever He wants to.

If an alter call is not made, with other words, if the people in the church do not get a change to give their hearts to Jesus, then how can the Holy Spirit convict or work on your heart so you can give up, the Holy Spirit will ask us to do things but if we do not do it then what then?? We still have to spread the Gospel of Jesus. Yes God is in charge, but He works through us. Jesus last words to us is to spread the Gospel to all peoples. The Holy Spirit is our Helper. And if we are not Spirit led by led by what me think we must do then the Holy Spirit cannot operate. You quench the Spirit
I Thessalonians 5:19

Dan says:

I have been watching events in Syria and Israel very closely now for the past couple of months. I was convinced that what we’re witnessing is the buildup to the war of Ezekiel 38+39. However, according to Dave Hunt earlier this week, “the war of Ezekiel 38+39 is the Armageddon war.” I was convinced that a Peacemaker will arise from this war and unite all the world’s religions into one universal religion. Creating a one world religion. He’s a miracle worker (Rev 13:11; 5:6) He is the False Prophet (Rev 19:20) and the Jews mistakenly accept him as their Messiah. However, Dave Hunt makes a strong case here: http://www.thebereancall.org/content/will-there-really-be-armageddon
Everything is in place for the False Prophet to arise now. But what would he actually have to do to convince the Jews that he is “their Messiah”?
I thought this was also interesting, I don’t know if anyone else read this: http://www.israelandstuff.com/israel-reach-historic-agreement-with-vatican-seating-them-at-last-supper-site (I do not know this site, this was my first visit there)

Rob Diamond says:

Did you all hear that Dave Hunt died? He passed away on April 5.

Dan says:

Just wanted to share a site that has been of tremendous help and a blessing in my Bible studies. Although the work of Darby is not easy to work through, the “Synopsis of the books of the Bible” – by J.N Darby is an absolute blessing. http://www.stempublishing.com/

Blessings in Christ

Sharon says:

The name of Jehovah God is what He told Moses…He is the GREAT I AM. God is not the “I Was”, He is not the “I will be.” He is the GREAT I AM. Get your self a King James Bible and read it. I promise you will find the One True God who has many names but all of them are contained in the name I AM. Peace, Gods peace to you.

harry wrote:

The concept of God must be defined. Many talks about god but they talk of a very different god. Therefore it is important that we know Him by name. The name of God Most High the one and only.
Associating God with the Olumpics is bad news.
The olympics is dedicated to Zeus and he is not Almighty God.
What is the real name of the Living Almighty Most High God?

Sharon says:

Hmmmm Deborah, I will have to disagree with you on this; Baptists and Calvinists are not the same thing. Now I will say there are some Baptists both Independent and Southern Baptists that are Calvinistic in their “theology.” But this old gal is about as far as one can get against the heresy of Calvinism. I would venture to say that not all Presbyterians are Calvinistic. My very best friend of 53 years turned Calvinistic back in 2004. She is truly one of the most Godley women I know… … but she has gotten herself caught up by this “every wind of doctrine” which is no doctrine at all.

I am not a Calvinist and yet I believe God is Sovereign. I am not an Arminian because I believe in once saved, always saved. I am a blood-bought Daughter of the Most High God. I am a Baptist by conviction and yet I realize that not all Baptists will be in heaven. I am in love with my Savior, the One and Only Jesus Christ.

Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:

Baptists/Calvinists – samething…

Sharon says:

The location of Hell is in the center of the earth. The very core of the Earth is over 6,000 degrees! That is hot. Deut.32:22 For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell, and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains. (the lowest hell)

Psa_86:13 For great is thy mercy toward me: and thou hast delivered my soul from the lowest hell. (again lowest hell.) Isa_5:14 Therefore hell hath enlarged herself, and opened her mouth without measure: and their glory, and their multitude, and their pomp, and he that rejoiceth, shall descend into it.
Isa_14:9 Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations.
Isa_14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. Mat_11:23 And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted unto heaven, shalt be brought down to hell:
Num_16:33 They, and all that appertained to them, went down alive into the pit, and the earth closed upon them: and they perished from among the congregation.
Pro_1:12 Let us swallow them up alive as the grave; and whole, as those that go down into the pit:

Jesus spoke more about hell than heaven. I suppose because more will end up in hell than in heaven. I long for the day when Jesus will throw satan into the deepest, hottest place in hell. But that day isn’t today. I hate satan. But I love and praise my Jesus.

Burning Lamp wrote:

The location of hell question is a bunny trail and a diversion. What is really important is to share the Gospel so people won’t go there whereever it is!

As I understand it, there is a temporary holding place called Hades and at White Throne Judgement the unsaved will be thrown into the lake of fire that was prepared for the devil and his angels. Hades is a place of torment, but nothing compared to the hell of the future.

Sharon says:

I have always thought that volcanos erupting was hell burping so as to take more people into it. People laugh when they hear me say that, but I just tell them to stop and think about it. JMO

Paul (Continue in His Word) wrote:

Sequel of my above comment about Volcanoes and Hell :

I want to say that this preacher is a beloved brother. Yet this does not mean that he cannot be in error, in which case we need to approach him with love and point his error (if it is the case) so that he will correct it and not spread it. Until a person is found to be a wolf in sheep’s clothing (ie a false brother), I believe we should not expose his errors and name him in public without having contacted him and given him the opportunity to explain and/or correct himself.

Here are the 8 KJV references this preacher used to prove his doctrine of Hell being in the core of planet earth:

#1 Isaiah 14:9-15
(9) Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations.
(10) All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us?
(11) Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.
(12) How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
(13) For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
(14) I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
(15) Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

#2 Pro 15:24 The way of life is above to the wise, that he may depart from hell beneath.

#3 Deu 32:22 For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell, and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains.
(Note: “Set on fire the foundations of the mountains” is interpreted as volcanic eruptions)

#4 Isaiah 5:14-15
(14) Therefore hell hath enlarged herself, and opened her mouth without measure: and their glory, and their multitude, and their pomp, and he that rejoiceth, shall descend into it.
(15) And the mean man shall be brought down, and the mighty man shall be humbled, and the eyes of the lofty shall be humbled:

(Note: Hell is ever enlarging itself to contain the multitudes who die without Christ)

#5 Ezekiel 31:14-18
(14) To the end that none of all the trees by the waters exalt themselves for their height, neither shoot up their top among the thick boughs, neither their trees stand up in their height, all that drink water: for they are all delivered unto death, to the nether parts of the earth, in the midst of the children of men, with them that go down to the pit.
(15) Thus saith the Lord GOD; In the day when he went down to the grave I caused a mourning: I covered the deep for him, and I restrained the floods thereof, and the great waters were stayed: and I caused Lebanon to mourn for him, and all the trees of the field fainted for him.
(16) I made the nations to shake at the sound of his fall, when I cast him down to hell with them that descend into the pit: and all the trees of Eden, the choice and best of Lebanon, all that drink water, shall be comforted in the nether parts of the earth.
(17) They also went down into hell with him unto them that be slain with the sword; and they that were his arm, that dwelt under his shadow in the midst of the heathen.
(18) To whom art thou thus like in glory and in greatness among the trees of Eden? yet shalt thou be brought down with the trees of Eden unto the nether parts of the earth: thou shalt lie in the midst of the uncircumcised with them that be slain by the sword. This is Pharaoh and all his multitude, saith the Lord GOD.

(Note: “the nether parts of the earth” means “the heart of the womb of the earth”)

#6 Numbers 16:30-35
(30) But if the LORD make a new thing, and the earth open her mouth, and swallow them up, with all that appertain unto them, and they go down quick into the pit; then ye shall understand that these men have provoked the LORD.
(31) And it came to pass, as he had made an end of speaking all these words, that the ground clave asunder that was under them:
(32) And the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed them up, and their houses, and all the men that appertained unto Korah, and all their goods.
(33) They, and all that appertained to them, went down alive into the pit, and the earth closed upon them: and they perished from among the congregation.
(34) And all Israel that were round about them fled at the cry of them: for they said, Lest the earth swallow us up also.
(35) And there came out a fire from the LORD, and consumed the two hundred and fifty men that offered incense.

#7 Luke 16:19-26
(19) There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:
(20) And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,
(21) And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man’s table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.
(22) And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham’s bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
(23) And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
(24) And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
(25) But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
(26) And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.

#8 Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Sharon says:

If I remember correctly when my mommy explained the “birds & the bees” to me over 50 years ago, it wasn’t television that made momma pregnant. Perhaps they turned off the TV early!:o) TBN is an abomination. Paul is a homosexual and Paul Junior is not Paul’s. As for Jan the purple haired woman that thinks she’s a Barbie Doll well I don’t know what to think of her other then she is crazy. Paul and Jan do not live together. They have separate homes. JMO

Osito

wrote:

Hi everyone,

I watch TBN last night and the pastor prayed for this women to get pregnand, but she was at home, so she and her husband had to put there HANDS on the TV SCREEN while the pastor was praying for them. She felt the power throught the tv screen.

I just dont understand these people, POWER brought to you by DSTV.

Well she got pregnand, lucky for them they had a tv and the DSTV rececption was good.

Sharon says:

Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

This Old Testament verse means two things. First it is the prophecy concerning the Messiah, Jesus Christ being born. Then the Everlasting Father speaks of God the Father. Remember Jesus is God. The Trinity is God the Father, God the Son, & God the Holy Spirit

1John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Marat P wrote:

Hello,

I am new here. Could anyone explain what Isaiah 9:6 means by saying:
And he will be called … Everlasting Father…

Sharon says:

Rev 16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

It is odd how many Christians think that satan and the fallen angels are in hell. Not yet. They will be someday; but that day is not right now. satan is not omnipresent nor is he omnipotent. He can only be in one place at a time. But, he knows he will never be worshipped as God Almighty. There are some denominations that want to blamed satan for every thing that goes wrong. They have given him too much power over their lives. Yes, satan is a powerful being. But Praise God he is a defeated foe!

I remember a pastors wife telling me that when people go looking under ever tree and bush for a demon they better be careful.

Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:

Zoe

No, I don’t think so, that is reading into something that is not there. The bible says that demons are in second heaven (space) with access to the first heaven (our atmosphere) and some angels are in prison as seen in 2 Peter 2:4. The Greek word translated “hell” which is Tartarus.

“And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea” (1). This verse reminds us of Isaiah’s prophecy, “For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind” (Isaiah 65:17); and “For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the lord, so shall your seed and your name remain” (Isaiah 66:22). The apostle Peter referred to this as well. After describing the destruction by fire of the heavens and the earth that now are, he said, “Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness” (2 Peter 3:13).

Sharon says:

The “Middle East” is the Christians time clock. God made a name for Himself in Jerusalem and He will ultimately protect and defend her. Keep watching Israel.

Dan wrote:

I have been watching events in Syria and Israel very closely now for the past couple of months. I was convinced that what we’re witnessing is the buildup to the war of Ezekiel 38+39. However, according to Dave Hunt earlier this week, “the war of Ezekiel 38+39 is the Armageddon war.” I was convinced that a Peacemaker will arise from this war and unite all the world’s religions into one universal religion. Creating a one world religion. He’s a miracle worker (Rev 13:11; 5:6) He is the False Prophet (Rev 19:20) and the Jews mistakenly accept him as their Messiah. However, Dave Hunt makes a strong case here: http://www.thebereancall.org/content/will-there-really-be-armageddon
Everything is in place for the False Prophet to arise now. But what would he actually have to do to convince the Jews that he is “their Messiah”?
I thought this was also interesting, I don’t know if anyone else read this: http://www.israelandstuff.com/israel-reach-historic-agreement-with-vatican-seating-them-at-last-supper-site (I do not know this site, this was my first visit there)

Sharon says:

I found another verse for you: Jude 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

I believe there are certain angels that are just as the verse above says.

Then there is this verse: Revelation 9:14 Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates.

Revelation 16:12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.

I guess God has these angels reserved for the Day of Judgment. 1/3 of the Angels in Heaven followed Lucifer/Satan. Hebrews 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, There are so many Angels that Gods word says they cannot be counted!

Angels never appeared to be female. While they are sexless they always appeared as men, dressed in the clothing of the day. Yet when Abraham and Lot met these angels they knew immediately.

Angels are not necked little cherub babies. Michael is an arch-angel of the warrior type. Gabriel is the angel to make announcements like to Mary that she would give birth to the promised Savior, the only begotten Son of the Most High God!

Be at peace…His peace. Keep studying Gods word. Before you prepare to study, pray and ask the Holy Spirit to teach you. Jesus said that He, the Holy Spirit would lead us into all truth.

Zoe wrote:

Greetings!

Would like to get your opinion on Rev 21 V 1, I’m reading a NKJV, somone who God ‘speaks to regulary’ explained that the demons that were casted down to earth were, for the major part given residence in the sea, hence no more sea.

Looking forward to your responce.

Sharon says:

There are photos of him on the web that show him giving the devil horn salute. He is a Catholic and just keeps bringing up stupid stuff supposedly so we won’t see what the “Illumined Ones” are up to.

Redeemed wrote:

Louise wrote:

It has come to my attention that many well meaning Christians are forsaking the rapture and are turning against those of us who support it. The anger and jealousy they show towards those who support it has me reeling in shock and dismay. For those of you who know Alex Jones he has a new video out on the rapture. He is very much against it and through this video it is causing harm amongst the brethren. I took the liberty in listening to it for 15 minutes and found myself getting angrier and angrier. Yes, I opted out and did not finish listening to it. The 2 Baptist preacher who ranted over the fraud beliefs of the rapture allowed me to see that we will be hated for our beliefs, even from those who call themselves Christians. We who support and believe in the rapture are under persecution from our own and its going to get worse. So hang in there and put on the armour of GOD. Its going to be a rough ride in the next few years.

I would expect this from Alex Jones – he is a phony and a shill. All Christians should steer clear of him.

You are right, Louise, it is even so-called discernment sites that are now anti-rapture and anti-pretrib. They don’t just disagree, they are adamant and downright nasty.

Then there are those who promote a “partial rapture”, meaning that whether or not you are taken will depend upon your behavior, whether you are godly enough or not.

Then there are those who just simply don’t have an interest. I call them “panners”. They will just let it all “pan out”. Que sera, Que sera.

It is a sad state of affairs, but it is just exactly what the Word said would be the conditions in the last days.

We have to hold fast and not let ourselves get distracted and misled by those who are deceived.

And stay away from Alex Jones and his ilk. There are wolves both in and out of the Church. It is a dangerous time, but remember our Redemption draws near!!! Maranatha! Even so come Lord Jesus!!!