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Collage of False Prophets and False Teachers

Collage of False Prophets and False Teachers

 Collage of False prophets and teachersThere are millions of false teachers and false prophets in the world today, below is a list of just some of the the major false prophets and teachers around.

Matt 7:15-20 Jesus says, “Beware of the FALSE PROPHETS, who come to you in SHEEP’S CLOTHING but INWARDLY ARE RAVENOUS WOLVES. You can identify them by their FRUIT, that is, by the way they ACT. Can you pick grapes from Thornbushes, or Figs from Thistles? (17) A GOOD TREE produces GOOD FRUIT, and a BAD TREE produces BAD FRUIT. A GOOD TREE can’t produce BAD FRUIT, and a BAD TREE can’t produce GOOD FRUIT. So every TREE that does not produce GOOD FRUIT is chopped down and thrown into the Fire. Yes, just as you can identify a TREE by its FRUIT, so you can IDENTIFY PEOPLE BY THEIR ACTIONS.”

Matt 24:4-5 Jesus told them, “Don’t let anyone Mislead you, for MANY will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah.’ They will deceive MANY.”

Matt 7:21-23 Jesus warns, “Not everyone who calls out to me, ‘Lord! Lord!’ will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Only those who actually do the WILL OF MY FATHER in Heaven will enter. On Judgment Day MANY will say to me, ‘Lord! Lord! We PROPHESIED IN YOUR NAME and Cast out demons in your Name and Performed many Miracles in your Name.’ But I will reply, ‘I never knew you. Get away from me, you who BREAK GOD’S LAWS.”

Matt 24:11 Jesus says, “MANY FALSE PROPHETS will appear and will deceive MANY people.”

Collage of False Prophets and False Teachers

Collage of False prophets and teachers

Listed above:

Benny Hinn, Arnold Murray, Beth Moore, Steve Shultz, Bill Johnson, Bobby Corner, Caleb Lee Brundidge, Charles Capp, Chad Taylor, Cail, Dan Kimball, Benjamin Dunn, Chad Leatherby, Charles and Frances Hunter, Mike Murdock, Charlie Robinson, Stacy Demboer, Bob Jones, Cindy Jacobs, Carlton Pearson, Dutch Sheets, Che Ahn, Christian Harfouche, Dwight Thompson, Creflo Dollar, William Branham, Doug Pagitt, Don Stewart, C. Peter Wagner, Myles Munroe, Francis Frangipane, David Jones, E W Kenyon, E. Bernard Jordon, Dennis Cramer, Chuck Pierce, Georgian Banov, Jan Crouch, James Goll, Erwin McManus, Finis Jennings Drake, Ernest Angley, Eddie Long, Gloria Copeland, Earl Paulk, Pope Benedict XVI, Faith Setzer, Jay Bakker, Joel Osteen, Jesse Duplantis, Harold Camping, Heidi Baker, Fred Price, Gwen Shaw, Kathie Walters, John Crowder, John Avanzini, Greg Johnson, John Scotland, John Paul Jackson, Kathryn Kuhlman, John Shelby Spong, John Wimber, Sergei Torop (Jesus of Siberia), Joyce Meyer, Joshua Mills, John Burton, John Arnott, John Eckhardt, Kenneth Hagin, Marilyn Hickey, Leonard Sweet, Ken Blanchard, Kenneth Copeland, Kim Clement, Kathi Charpe, Juanita Bynum, Leroy Jenkins, Marcus Borg, Melissa Fisher, Paul Cain, Sun Myung Moon, Lacy Rael, Lou Engle, M. Scott Peck, Patricia King, Mary K. Baxter, Mike Bickle, Morris Cerullo, Oral Roberts, Peter Vandever, Paul Yonggi Cho, Paula White, Paul Crouch, Pat Robertson, Perry Noble, Richard Roberts, Randy Clark, Rick Warren, Frederick Eikerenkoetter (Rev Ike), Rick Joyner, Peter Popoff, Reinhard Bonnke, Rodney Howard-Browne, William Paul Young, Ruth Heflin, Robert Tilton, Tony Compolo, W V Grant, Wesley Campbell, R W Shambach, Wendy Alec, Danny Lehmann, John Hagee, Daniel Kikwawa, John and Paula Stanford, Mehesh Chavda, Mark Chironna, Bill Hybels, Dallas Willard, Perry Stone, Sylvania Machado, Norman Vincent Peale, Lourie Beth Jones, John Kilpatrick, Richard Twiss, Choo Thomas, Winnie Banov, Joseph Prince, Larry Crabb, Barbara Yoder (Rebecca Brown), Tony Jones, Gwen Shambilin, John MacArthur, John Piper, R C Sproul, Paul Washer, Alistair Begg, David Jeremiah, Mark Driscoll, Albert Mohler, Charles Stanley, Charles Swindoll, Charles Spurgeon, James MacDonald, Ravi Zacharias, Todd Bentley, Don Fortner, Louie Giglio, Francis Chan

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The Apostle Paul names names of 8 deceivers during his time.  He named then for the protection of the church. Here is the list:

1) Phygellus – 2 Tim 1:15 – Paul said, “This you know, that all those in Asia have TURNED AWAY FROM ME, among whom are PHYGELLUS and Hermogenes.”

2) Hermogenes – 2 Tim 1:15 Paul said, “This you know, that all those in Asia have TURNED AWAY FROM ME, among whom are Phygellus and HEMOGENES.”

3) Hymenaeus 2 Tim 2:17 Paul warns, “And their MESSAGE will SPREAD LIKE CANCER. HYMENAEUS and Philetus are of this sort..”

4) Philetus – 2 Tim 2:17 Paul warns, “And their MESSAGE will SPREAD LIKE CANCER. Hymenaeus and PHILETUS are of this sort..”

5) Jannes – 2 Tim 3:8 Paul warns, “Now as JANNES and Jambres RESISTED Moses, so do these also RESIST THE TRUTH: MEN OF CORRUPT MINDS, DISAPPROVED concerning the FAITH..”

6) Jambres – 2 Tim 3:8 Paul warns, “Now as Jannes and JAMBRES RESISTED Moses, so do these also RESIST THE TRUTH: MEN OF CORRUPT MINDS, DISAPPROVED concerning the FAITH..”

7) Demas – 2 Tim 4:10 Paul warns, “..for DEMAS has FORSAKEN ME, having LOVED this PRESENT world, and has DEPARTED for Thessalonica–Crescens for Galatia, Titus for Dalmatia.”

8) Alexander the Coppersmith – 2 Tim 4:14 “ALEXANDER THE COPPERSMITH did me MUCH HARM. May the Lord REPAY him According to his WORKS..”

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151 comments to Collage of False Prophets and False Teachers

  • Elmarie A

    Donna

    If you are talking about Joseph Prince. He is all over TBN television and his books all over SA in bookstores like CUM books ect. His teachings are typical Prosperity Gospel with lots of other mixed truth and error teachings. Hope that helps :-) He is Dangerous I have seen him in action on TBN hmmmm not good ……

  • Elmarie A

    Donna

    I found this on the net about Joseph Prince just google his name and the words exposed as false teacher. Just Posting an excerpt for you read more at link.

    Caution: “Destined to Reign” by Joseph Prince

    BLEST BELIEVERS
    In Chapter 1, I learned that God has called us as Christians to be a success, to enjoy wealth, to enjoy health, and to enjoy a life of victory. As soon as we understand his principals , we will see how easy and effortless the Christian walk really is. Prince uses Romans 5:17 …“For by one man‘s offense death reigned through the one, much more those who receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through one Jesus Christ” He then states that the word reign used here comes from the word basiluo (Greek) translated to basilica in English.. Since, he says, basilicas were used as law courts, that means we would have a kingly rule. Well, that’s a stretch to begin with. A basilica is simply a style of building that makes it good for any assembly including meeting places, law courts, funeral homes and often churches. Adam Clarke, translating from the original Greek, along with any major Bible Scholar I am aware of takes this scripture to mean that we will reign over death as a result of Jesus death and resurrection..
    Prince fails to mention what Jesus says to expect if we follow him.

    Living in a country with abundant wealth such as Singapore (where Prince lives) or the United States certainly makes it more plausible for persons whether Christian or simply diligent citizens to have a measure of wealth, But, is that God’s plan for everyone who loves him? Certainly and clearly it is not. In fact, Jesus said in Matthew 19:23 that it would be harder for the rich to get into heaven, and in Luke 18;24 he again lamented about how hard it would be for a rich man to get into the Kingdom of Heaven.

    A GOD OF MERCY ONLY–(New Revelation)
    On page 32 Prince reveals his belief that God is continually restoring his truths to the church and the revelation of the finished work will continue to get stronger. Any time new revelation is taught, we must be reminded of how often this has been the basis of new cult’s such as Mormonism, Jehovah‘s witness, Christian Scientist etc. This new revelation of Prince’s continues to be the gift of righteousness to reign in life. I.e., more grace and less judgment. The loving and merciful side of God is always emphasized in Prince’s teaching.

    ALL SINS PAST AND FUTURE WERE FORGIVEN AT THE CROSS.
    Prince continually assures the Believer that, although he does not condone sin , all was forgiven when Jesus died for the Believer so we never have to worry about it again. On pg 53 Prince says ‘If you receive a word from someone which brings your sins to remembrance or instills an expectation of punishment for sins in your life, don’t fear it, just throw it out the window..” On page 45, he says that , for the believer, ‘God took all your sins, even the sins that you have not yet committed, and put them all on Jesus. All future sins have been fully judged at the cross.’ On page 138, he states that “Believers are forever righteous. On page 233 he says “you cannot be under grace without becoming holy.” On page 99 he states that he has never encountered anyone who after receiving grace says “now I can go out and sin”. Really???I know of many people who truly served and loved the Lord at one time and have returned to a life of sin–don ‘t you? Just get any church directory from a few years back and you will see how many did not stay the course.

    Read more here: http://gladysrussell.blogspot.com/2009/01/destined-to-reign-by-joseph-prince.html

  • DTW Admin

    To Donna – From – Admin moved your comment to correct thread.

    Donna
    2010/09/09 at 5:35 pm
    Hi Deb,
    Who is this Prince guy…can’t seem to find him on web & one of my friends is interested in him & of course, just looking at his pic turned me OFF!

  • Mark

    Could you make a post on your site of who are the true prophets. Thanks.

  • PJamas

    Mark

    1) All prophecies in scripture pointed to Jesus Christ as the final authority

    2) Jesus is our High Priest

    3) Jesus is the last true and final prophet

    Who is your Saviour?

  • PJamas

    I can’t find Chuck Norris’ pic there. LOL

  • PJamas

    Elmarie wrote:

    Donna

    If you are talking about Joseph Prince. He is all over TBN television and his books all over SA in bookstores like CUM books ect. His teachings are typical Prosperity Gospel with lots of other mixed truth and error teachings. Hope that helps :-) He is Dangerous I have seen him in action on TBN hmmmm not good ……

    He preaches a lot on ‘grace’. In so much that sin does not exist, only grace. Grace also seems to be a tangible ‘power’ like Faith.

    So Grace and Faith can go to the movies together as they seem to have personalities of their own.

  • Grant C

    Mark

    Here is a complete list of true prophets, as you requested:

    In the Old Testament you will find the full list of names of the Old Testament prophets, whose job it was to tell, mainly the Jews, of what was to come and what God’s Will was, while in expectation of the Messiah. You see they didn’t have the Bible back then for instruction, which is why they needed prophets.

    In the New Testament you will find the greatest Prophet, Jesus Christ, who fulfilled the prophecies of the Old Testament prophets. Therefore today, all that really matters to believers, is that we await the return of Jesus, which will be the fulfillment of the important prophesies He made Himself.

    As for prophets who might have been around since the completion of the New Testament, I am struggling to find one. The problem seems to be that, since Jesus and the Apostles did all the necessary prophesying, there was no prophecy that could have been added to the completed Word of God.

    Sorry Mark, there aren’t any true prophets to list other than those in the Bible. If you have more information on this, please let us know.

  • Elmarie A

    PJamas wrote:

    I can’t find Chuck Norris’ pic there. LOL

    hmmmm me tinks we can chuck norris on this one lol lol lol lol hiehie

  • Elmarie A

    PJamas wrote:

    So Grace and Faith can go to the movies together as they seem to have personalities of their own.

    aaaggghhh they are already in Hollywood and Joyce Meyer makes movies horrid stuff i tell you.

  • Mark

    OK, maybe the wrong question. What I am wondering is, are there any contemporary bible teachers that you would endorse. You have a long list of those you label as false. I’m just wondering who you consider to be reliable teachers. Obviously we need to test everyone’s teaching and the Bible is our final authority. If a teacher has one wrong idea does that make them a “false teacher” or just a teacher with a wrong idea. Everybody must admit to having some error’s in their thinking and interpretation of the Bible. We are all learning and growing. Some teachers are into significant error and some are deliberately trying to mislead, or maybe some are working out of so much brokenness in their own life that they are unreliable and need to sort their own issues first. However the bulk of local church pastors and many public teachers are just at a place in their own journey where most of what they teach is sound and comes from a genuine love of God and His people – maybe they have some error but the humble ones are willing to learn.

    So to say a teacher is trustworthy and reliable is not to say they are 100% free of error. Rather their teaching is generally reliable, they have the humilty to listen to critique and to be corrected if needed, they love God, the people of God and the Bible.

    So is their anyone you would endorse, or maybe give a 7 or a 8 out of 10?

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Mark

    Let me make it really easy for you to understand. I endorse ONE BOOK. It’s called the Bible.

    Hope that clears things up for you.

    The above books are not just 1% error or so, but totally erroneous – therefore this list serves as a WARNING.

  • Burning Lamp

    Mark, it is risky business to endorse any Bible teachers these days when they are falling like dominos and their faithful followers fail to hold them accountable but rather continue to follow them.

    Certainly there is no perfect teacher – but we need to be sensitive to red flags and then address them. If the teacher will not respond that is a bad sign. They will only sink deeper into error. Run, don’t walk away from them. The most dangerous ones are those who mix truth and error.

    Like Debs, says, there is only one standard of truth for the believer and that is the Word of God, a reliable translation, not some watered-down paraphrase. And never, never value any man’s or women’s teachings above what the Word of God is telling you.

    A pastor I respect greatly all of a sudden went off into a message that was offbase. I owe it to him to gently and reverently confront him about this. If he blows it off, it will be sad, but I value God’s truth above any man or woman.

  • shote

    all these people are false then who are you?

  • Link

    Grant wrote:

    Mark
    Sorry Mark, there aren’t any true prophets to list other than those in the Bible. If you have more information on this, please let us know.

    The Bible does not teach this. The book of Revelation talks about the blood of prophets in Babylon. The two witnesses prophesy and do miracles like shutting up the heavens. The Bible does not say there will be a gap of 1900+ years without prophets and then the role will be restored.

    Prophecy should be very central to our church gatherings. The Bible does not really have that many chapters on what to do in church. The longest section on the topic is I Corinthians 14, where Paul is very positive about the idea of all prophesying. He says ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn and all may be comforted.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    shote

    that’s what it says… there are thousands more, but Christians Research Services did not have enough hours in his life time to find all their pictures.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Link

    Oh boy… What on earth have the 2 Witnesses in the End times Tribulation (which the church will not see as we will be raptured) got to do with the conversation that was taking place.

    And are you saying that because I Corinthians 14 “ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn and all may be comforted.” That now makes everyone a prophet?

    Prophecy ceased along with tongues after the bible was written.

  • Link

    Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:

    Link
    Oh boy… What on earth have the 2 Witnesses in the End times Tribulation (which the church will not see as we will be raptured) got to do with the conversation that was taking place.
    And are you saying that because I Corinthians 14 “ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn and all may be comforted.” That now makes everyone a prophet?
    Prophecy ceased along with tongues after the bible was written.

    I do not believe that ‘ye may all prophesy’ makes all prophets. But the passage also speaks of prophets.

    Please re-read my post and run a word search on ‘prophet’ in the book of Revelation. The book of Revelation speaks of the blood of ‘prophets’ in Babylon. The two witnesses _prophesy_ and perform certain miracles.

    If one holds to a futurist view of Revelation, and believes that the two witnesses will literally prophesy, then it makes little sense to say that the gift of prophecy has ceased. If one is going to hold to that view, then one has to believe that prophecy ceases and restarts again. But how is that possible if prophecy has been done away with?

    An irony is that the many of the eschatological views that people hold to today either were popularized by, or in some cases originated with the Plymouth Brethren Movement. (Darby did not invent pre-trib. He got it from an anti-Reformation priest’s writings apparently. But he certainly popularized it. And not all the Brethren accepted it, e.g. George Muller.) The irony is that Plymouth Brethren also believe in prophesying in church.

    I believe a more pertinent issue is that the faith has once been delivered to the saints. The faith has been delivered, and is not to be modified, but that does not mean that the gift of prophecy is no more. It will continue at least until the time of the two witnesses.

    Some people use I Corinthians 13 as a proof text to argue that prophecy has ceased. I notice some theologians like John MacArthur don’t do that, even though he thinks certain gifts have ceased. He sees the passage as referring to ‘the eternal state.’

    I see a good case for the idea that Paul is referring to the state that will occur at the resurrection at the return of Christ. This fits the structure of the passage. The passage mentions:

    * speaking in tongues
    * prophecy
    * the coming of the perfect

    The next chapters discuss:

    * speaking in tongues
    * prophecy
    * the resurrection at Christ’s coming.

    This also fits with some of the themes Paul sets up at the beginning of the epistle, when he gives us a hint about what he will write about. We read:

    I Corinthians 1:
    7 So that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ:

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Link

    I am not arguing with you on the blood of the prophets or the 2 witnesses. My eschatological view is perfect, thanks.

  • Link

    Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:

    I am not arguing with you on the blood of the prophets or the 2 witnesses. My eschatological view is perfect, thanks.

    Wow. I’ve never met anyone here on the earth with a perfect view of eschatology. I don’t think I’ve ever met anyone else who would claim that either.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Link

    Seeing that you’ve admitted your anti-rapture view is possibly incorrect. I suggest you go and research it again.

  • Paul

    There is no Rapture. If you can show irt to me in the Scrip[tures I will believe it. I always look at the origin as part of my research before acceptong anything. Can anything good come out of the Roman Catholic Church? The Rapture was never known before about 150 years ago. It was touted by an irish, Jesuit Priest – I forgat his name, google it.

    The two witnesses are 1. The word of God an 2. His Church here on Earth – Us.

  • Paul

    P.S. People confuse the rapture with the three resurrections and the second death.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Paul

    I have many articles on this and answered all answers in the comments sections of each article. I’ve studied the matter most thoroughly. You should read my latest article.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Paul

    His Church here on Earth – Us.

    Amillennial. You Catholic? Just asking :) http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/09/23/john-calvin-believed-in-amillennialism-as-do-the-roman-catholic-church/

  • Burning Lamp

    Paul, sorry, but you are the one who is confused. Debs has covered this topic from stem to stern documenting everything and giving chapter and verse. Why don’t you go back over that before commenting? There are also many other Bible scholars who have addressed the topic and dispelled the false idea that the Rapture is a modern concept.

    Do you not know of the Blessed Hope? Don’t allow Satan to rob you of it.

    Grace and peace.

  • Link

    Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:

    Link
    Seeing that you’ve admitted your anti-rapture view is possibly incorrect. I suggest you go and research it again.

    You are misrepresenting my views. I believe in the pre-trib rapture. I believe it occurs immediately preceding the resurrection of the saints as we see in II Thessalonians 2 and I Corinthians 15. I believe the dead are raised and the living saints are raptured at Christ’s coming, not seven years before it.

    And my previous post was expressing surprise at your claiming to have a perfect understanding of eschatology. I have never heard any of the famous pre-trib teachers say such a thing. How do you define ‘perfect understanding?’

  • Link

    Paul wrote:

    P.S. People confuse the rapture with the three resurrections and the second death.

    Paul,

    What do you believe Paul the apostle meant when he wrote that the dead in Christ will rise first and that they which are alive and remain will be ___caught up__ to meet the Lord in the air?

    Do you believe that this will happen or not?

  • Link

    Oops, I left out a crucial word in the post before last. I meant to write that I do NOT believe int he pre-trib rapture.

    I do believe in the rapture. I can find scriptures that put the timing of the rapture at the second coming. All the arguments I encounter for pre-trib are based on elaborate arguments with a lot of assumptions. I used to be pre-trib, but I realized I could not reconcile it with scripture.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Link

    Oh boy… Link. Please. You are here to cause a fight and not add value. I say it’s perfect because the Word of God is perfect and I am going to be included in the Rapture before the tribulation so I have no real need to fuss over things that don’t concern me and never will.

  • Michael

    Excellent article found by googling “Recognise the False Prophets” – Listen South Africa… website by Zimbo

  • Michael

    Website by Zimbio…oops mispelt.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Michael

    How weird. I used to have this article on my website, but it’s gone. Hmmm. I think I will have to put it back because I had a lot of extra comments in between the lines. Thanks for reminding me of this article.

  • silla

    A lot of people have written a lot of stuff here about false prophets. And just looking at the collage of all those preachers who you claim are false prophets, well… I look at that collage and I just know who I definitely would not even listen to a sermon preached by him or her. But who are YOU to judge who are false prophets? You have just lumped them all together. Maybe you are a false prophet!? And who is this “Researcher Extraordinaire” I see printed somewhere. Isn’t that a bit show-offy. Who do you think you are to be so extraordinary. Who ordained you to be extraordinaire? There are some people there, on the collage, whose teachings are very sound. I think for the individual Christian he or she should and must listen to what JESUS said and that was: “You will know them by their fruits.” Also what does your inner witness, the Holy Spirit, tell you when you read what a man or woman has written or is preaching on the Christian TV network? That is what you should be following. Please, don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater. You are being very judgmental towards a lot of good people who are getting the Gospel out to a lot of people who need to hear the Word of God. It is easy to criticise and God says those who judge will be judged. And after all He is the final judge. Let people discern for themselves. Don’t try to play at being the Holy Spirit. Some of the comments here are just plain spiteful.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Silla

    You see, if you read the article properly, you will see this collage comes from Christian Research Services. So please direct your comment there. Mkay? Great. Now go point your little grubby fingers elsewhere.

    Having said that I agree with every single name CRS had placed on that list :)

    —————————
    Do Not Tolerate Wicked People

    To Christians facing hardships, told not to question these liars; don’t lose heart. Jesus knows what we are going through – keep standing strong.

    The below scripture:

    Clearly tells us we are not to tolerate wicked men
    Clearly tells us we are to TEST (1 John 4:1-6)
    Clearly tells us we are to CRITICALLY APPRAISE
    Jesus warns us about these so called ‘apostles’ who are nothing but liars and impostors.
    We are told to MARK those who cause division (Romans 16:17-18)
    Revelation 2:2-3 (Amplified Bible)

    2I know your industry and activities, laborious toil and trouble, and your patient endurance, and how you cannot tolerate wicked [men] and have tested and critically appraised those who call [themselves] apostles (special messengers of Christ) and yet are not, and have found them to be impostors and liars.

    3I know you are enduring patiently and are bearing up for My name’s sake, and you have not fainted or become exhausted or grown weary.

    —————————-

    I’d love to know who you think on this list is a godly person? (This should be interesting).

  • Burning Lamp

    Sila, what Deborah and others are doing is a great sacrifice of service to the Body of Christ.

    There are many scriptures that warn us about false teachers and how they mislead by craftiness, giving the illusion of good, mixing truth and error.

    Deborah doesn’t need anyone defending her as she takes the heat quite well. Her spunk and passion for truth comes through loud and clear. You would do well to heed the warnings and the heads up to take another look.

    Grace and Peace to you.

  • Michael

    Silla…
    it is not about defending people but about defending the truth written in the scriptures.You talk about “fruits” which many false teachers confuse with achievements in the flesh. Fruits are meant by life changes in true repentance of your sins and accepting the saving grace of the Lord Jesus Christ’s atonement at the cross of Calvary and dieing to the “old man” by being crucified with Him so that you now have a new life that saves you from eternal death.
    Even Satan and his demons do many great works in the flesh so as to deceive the elect.
    We must defend the integrity of God’s Word (the Bible) and not man.
    We must pray for those who are deceivers that God will have mercy on them and bring them to a place where they will repent and turn from their deceitful practices and that the true Christ is revealed to them.
    The bible is the only acceptable standard of truth and must be followed accurately and studiously with integrity ,diligence and genuine sincerity of heart…and with much prayer.

  • Eric

    Im new here would someone point me to the place where the bible tells us that tongues ended after the bible was written. Just a verse, chapter, something that alludes to this.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Eric

    Read this article. It’s provides more than just verse and chapter for you. http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/07/18/speaking-in-tongues/

  • RICKEY STINSON

    I just have one question if all these persons are fakes please tell me where are the real christians churches are. DO we have any. Thanks you very much.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Rickey

    Do you have a Bible? I presume you have one, please read it.

  • Burning Lamp

    Rickey, you ask a question that many of us today are asking. It is very difficult to find a church these days that preaches the truth Gospel and the pure, unadulterated Word of God.
    That is due to the leaven that has poured in and grown. That is because pastors do not take a stand for truth and warn their flocks about false teachers because they don’t want to come across as judging or judgemental or offensive. Therefore, false teachers flourish and people are sitting ducks for every kind of false teacher. Many of them, in fact, most of them mix truth with error to deceive the unwary.

    So what is the answer? There is no easy one. Search out those who follow and stand for truth and then fellowship with them. See where they worship and test it out with your standard based on God’s Word. Ask God to lead you to the right people and protect you from wolves.

    Seek out commentaries from tested and seasoned Bible teachers – I prefer the “dead guys” such as Ironside who was a dispensationalist and right on in his doctrine. He is not the only one, but my personal favorite.

    Be very careful and cautious. Remember, Satan shows himself as an angel of light and we are to test all things by the Word of God. We must be careful to rightly divide it and not take verses out of context.

    There are resources online but be careful. Do NOT watch “Christian TV” or trust “Christian” bookstores – they are in business and stock what will sell, regardless of doctrine.

    There are many pitfalls – get updates from this site – Debs will keep you informed and you have a place where you can ask questions and get answers.

    May God guide you!!

  • Anne

    There are so many false prophets in the world I agree! But are you sure that all of them are false prophets? Have you asked God about every singal one of them? Have you known them? Have you spent time listening to their messages and lining it up with scripture? Sometimes we label someone a false prophet when they speak about something that makes us uncontorabable, like giving up our huge home, or the twleve cars that we own. Just saying :) Not always the case, but i have seen many people do this very same thing. Jesus doesn’t call us to judge, and if y’all are wrong about a few of these people…. Before being quick to listen, slow to speak, be quick to pray and slow to speak. Not a rebuke, but i have seen many people in my church label pastors false prophets and end up becoming hurt. Just lean on Jesus, and protect your own families, and if you are 1,111,111,120% sure after days, months even years then you can proclaim their true identity, and maybe you guys will see this list dwindle :) Bless y’ll :)

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Anne

    >> But are you sure that all of them are false prophets? Have you asked God about every singal one of them?

    Of course they are. You don’t need to KNOW someone to know they are false, you study what they PREACH and what they preach is false.

  • Zani

    Well I was wondering about all of that too. It seems hard to find a person, or lets say pastor or reverend that is doing deliverance or plainly casting out of devils without first asking “the Holy Spirit” (the Kundalini Spirit thing) without actually conftronting the demon that is manifesting and kicking it out. I ve had the experience that a person I worked with asked its “Holy Spirit” and that spirit gave the demon on me a completely different name and logically, the demon did not leave. I prefer to stay critical to all voices in my head and spirits, because I experienced that there is spirits that can astrally project in to you (could be Gurus also) and also confess Jesus Christ is their Master, came in the flesh, but later then leave.
    Ive searched the net, but mostly I only conquer ministries or persons that have “asked Jesus in to their heart” and operate from the false trinity spirits.
    If there is anyone you know, and willing to cast out devils from the authority that is in the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ heads on confronting the spirits than please leave a message here.
    Also, we must add the possibility of electronic mind control these days and the voices transmitted through that.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Zani

    >> I prefer to stay critical to all voices in my head and spirits,

    You prefer to stay critical to ALL the voices in your head and spirits? Am I misunderstanding you?

  • guest

    Hello..i have been reading the comment’s thus far and agree with much. Jesus warned us to beware of false teacher’s and prophet’s particulary in the end times. I at one time did watch alot of TBN and began to get ‘into the spirit of much of what they preach. Yet there was an unease and after a while i began to see the horrible error of this ppl. In God’s word we are told ‘to deny self,take up our cross and follow Jesus.We are not to love the thing’s of this world.And when my eyes were opened i realised their was much blaspemny among the many preacher’s on TBN.Many viewer’s of TBN send in money because they are promised healing..more money. I remember hearing one women preacher exclaim how they has a group cruising to India would minister to the poor..feeding them etc. and afterwards they would go back to their 5 star hotel and dine on 5 star cusine!! These people teach another ‘Jesus’ who appeal to one’s flesh but i never heard any preaching on becoming victorious over SIN. The one commentor who mentioned that a preacher was teaching that the Blood Of Jesus cover’s all sin..past present future and..well am confused..as the other thing’s she mentioned i agreed with..but when Jesus died on the cross for my sin..He did pay the price for ALL my sin.That includes future.Jesus declared ‘whom the Son set’s free they are free indeed! The fact that He took care of all my sin just wants me to live as free from sin as possible!! I never never took this as a licese to sin freely!!

  • guest

    Also i want to thank the person who put this web page up to warn against error. Our churches are becoming infested with error. Jesus said this would happen in the last day’ and beware and keep awake. He warned that if possible even the very elect would be decieved if possible or in danger of it. We must be jealous of God’s word and stand firm against false teaching. It can not be tolerated! It may reach a point that we as christians might have to start gathering in homes and get out of some of the churches today.One of the pop physco babble touted is the self esteem ..self image agenda (started in late 1970’s and has gained fever pitch in most churches) God’s word tells us to think the other as better than us..and to deny self..as well as die to self. We are called to serve not to be ‘petted’ and indulged’

  • Sheri

    Has anyone heard of Chad Leatherby? Any info would be great, thanks so much

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Sheri

    Nope. Gimme some time and I will let you know my findings on him under this thread so keep checking.

  • Burning Lamp

    Sheri, all you have to do is “Google” Chad “Angel Feathers’ Leatherby and you will know he is one of the Apostolic kooks. Why do you ask?

  • Darrin

    It seems that Deborah always will have the last word. This may or may not be deleted but it needs to be said.

    “Deborah, just because “you” have written it, or studied it, or God forbid because “you – Deborah” says so, doesnt make it correct.

    I believe your heart and study is in the right place, and you have valid points, but so do others that arent your friends or that share the same ideas as you.

    ‘God allowed His Son Jesus Christ to take our place on the cross so that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish but have eternal life.’

    There is a lot in that verse of course. Alot that we do as Christians that are not in that verse. But it is key that “whosoever believeth” be the start and end all. In that, there is a lifetime of study and commitment as you know.

    You present yourself again and again as having the knowledge that no man has. If anyone says ANYTHING contrary to you it is automatically not right. Sorry Miss Deborah, but the bible has warned us against you as well.

    I hold fast to the Word of God and his leading. You should in my own opinion do the same. Keep up the good work but step back a bit every once in awhile and look at what you are doing and pushing.

    I recognize this is your site, so I will stop writing. I just hope that you honestly pray for God to mend your heart and let life crush you for a season, so that you may come to Christ on bended knees, with a heart that has been broken and is sincere.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Darrin

    So what you are REALLY saying is that you think there are some people on this pictorial that are true men/women of God? Right? Right.

    >> “Deborah, just because “you” have written it, or studied it, or God forbid because “you – Deborah” says so, doesnt make it correct.

    LOL, well JUST because YOU have written it, or studied it or say it’s so, does not make it correct either. The difference is Darrin, I am CORRECT and if you don’t like it then go PROVE me wrong. Go on PROVE me wrong. Note the word PROVE. I was once very wrong and Jesus Christ SAVED ME and through the guidance of the Holy Spirit in my life and the WILLINGNESS to study to find myself APPROVED I know the CORRECT answers.

    >> ‘God allowed His Son Jesus Christ to take our place on the cross so that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish but have eternal life.’

    Absolutely TRUE Darrin. BUT if you want to DISOBEY HIM and NOT FOLLOW HIS COMMANDMENTS – “21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. then you could be like those who say… 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’” Matthew 7:21-23

    >> You present yourself again and again as having the knowledge that no man has.

    That’s an interesting comment. Have you NEVER heard the truth before? There are millions upon millions of born again Christians who think and speak like I do. You are the odd one out buddy ol’ pal. Look at yourself and ask why. You fall under in the GREAT APOSTASY the Bible speaks about where the entire world is lured towards a FALSE Christianity – Word of Faith and New Apostolic Reformation. This FALSE Christianity has captured the souls of millions of people (who call themselves Christian) but aren’t. Yes there might be a few who are stuck in this mess who will be truly born again as GOD RIPS THEM OUT of this mess.

    >> If anyone says ANYTHING contrary to you it is automatically not right. Sorry Miss Deborah, but the bible has warned us against you as well.

    Um, the ONLY REASON I say that something is not right is because I KNOW THE ANSWER, and if YOU are wrong, then so be it. Goodness gracious me. Get over yourself. There are many many times on this blog where I have been wrong and I knew it immediately and people have corrected me, and in their CORRECTION I can see the TRUTH. I don’t see any truth in your comment, in fact I discern a spirit that is full of hate for the truth.

    >> Keep up the good work but step back a bit every once in awhile and look at what you are doing and pushing.

    Errrrr, that’s a bit contradictory. I according to you is as false as can be, BUT I must “keep up the good work”. Hmmm. I can only ponder. Is this how you view the false teachers you adore so much and get caught every time. You think good fruit comes from a thorn tree?

    >> I just hope that you honestly pray for God to mend your heart and let life crush you for a season

    My aren’t you just such a NICE person. Thankfully I discern that the god you pray to is NOT my GOD, so your curses are like dust in the wind Darrin.

  • Burning Lamp

    Darrin,

    How do you know that Deborah has not been drushed by life and been on bended knee to Christ with a sincere heart? You accuse her of arrogance but your own arrogance appears to assume facts about her that only God knows.
    And ironically, you accuse HER of having knowledge no other human has. Don’t you find this odd?

    You have no right to judge her heart or her motives, but I am sure she welcomes differing opinions if done with biblical support.

    BTW, what have you done to further the cause of truth? Just wondering………….

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    BL

    Thank you :)

  • Music Eric

    I am not sure that the Gospels calls us expose anyone, even if there are problems with people’s messages or beliefs.

    Here is why I have a severe problem with your website. It doesn’t mention the fact that we all hear in part and we know in part. Above all Love is perfect and covers a multitude of sins. I have read this entire website and not once has it mentioned the love of Christ for the Church.

    You see the problem with the Church? Is that it is full of people. That’s right, very frail and imperfect fleshly driven humans that live in the flesh. It would be literally impossible to live in the spirit on a continual basis, because are are made of flesh and of blood.

    We are led by the Spirit but we have not Ascended yet. Until then that is why the bible clearly states to walk out our salvation’s with the trembling and the fear of the Lord. We are still working it out.

    Grace does not give us a license to sin, but the Word of God instructs us to “grow in the Grace and Love of God.” If you have all of the revelation and can decipher secrets of the Word of God but yet have not love, you are not of God. If you are so easily ready to tear your brethren down without going to them directly in a public forum, you are guilt of saying, “RACCA”. You have committed a very blasphemus sin against the Holy Spirit.

    So this is the instruction I give you to on this website, you yourselves need to repent for the slanderous words you have displayed here against your brethren who you have clearly have not opened the forum up so they can defend their position of belief. And because of that you are in sin and have no validity in the Kingdom of God.

    As far as the Gospel is concerned? You’ll have nothing to do with it..

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Music Eric

    Do you read your bible? ever? maybe? kinda?

    As Christians We Must Judge Righteously

    As Christians we do not judge a person’s life, i.e., sin, because we are all sinners (Matt 7:1)., we judge righteously according to the Word of God. The Bible commands us to judge fellow Christians teachings and their fruit. Those in the church we are to judge according to the Word of God. Those outside of the church we show them the error of their ways, preach the gospel to them and then leave them in God’s hands. We are also commanded to judge/test their teachings/doctrine to make sure it is correct and that it ties up with scripture.

    There are many verses in the bible where we are told to JUDGE/TEST:

    ———–

    1 Thessalonians 5:21 (Amplified Bible)

    21 But test and prove all things [until you can recognize] what is good; [to that] hold fast.

    ———–

    Matthew 7:15-20 (Amplified Bible)

    15 Beware of false prophets, who come to you dressed as sheep, but inside they are devouring wolves.

    16 You will fully recognize them by their fruits. Do people pick grapes from thorns, or figs from thistles?

    17 Even so, every healthy (sound) tree bears good fruit [worthy of admiration], but the sickly (decaying, worthless) tree bears bad (worthless) fruit.

    18A good (healthy) tree cannot bear bad (worthless) fruit, nor can a bad (diseased) tree bear [excellent fruit [worthy of admiration].

    19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and cast into the fire.

    20Therefore, you will fully know them by their fruits.

    ———–

    1 Corinthians 5:12-13 (Amplified Bible)

    12What [business] of mine is it and what right have I to judge outsiders? Is it not those inside [the church] upon whom you are to pass disciplinary judgment [passing censuring sentence on them as the facts require]?

    13God alone sits in judgment on those who are outside. Drive out that wicked one from among you [expel him from your church].

    ———–

    1 Corinthians 14:29 (Amplified Bible)

    29 So let two or three prophets speak [those inspired to preach or teach], while the rest pay attention and weigh and discern what is said.

    ———–

    John 7:24 (Amplified Bible)

    24Be honest in your judgment and do not decide at a glance (superficially and by appearances); but judge fairly and righteously.

    ———–

    Titus 1:9-16 (Amplified Bible)

    9He must hold fast to the sure and trustworthy Word of God as he was taught it, so that he may be able both to give stimulating instruction and encouragement in sound (wholesome) doctrine and to refute and convict those who contradict and oppose it [showing the wayward their error].

    10For there are many disorderly and unruly men who are idle (vain, empty) and misleading talkers and self-deceivers and deceivers of others. [This is true] especially of those of the circumcision party [who have come over from Judaism].

    11Their mouths must be stopped, for they are mentally distressing and subverting whole families by teaching what they ought not to teach, for the purpose of getting base advantage and disreputable gain.

    12One of their [very] number, a prophet of their own, said, Cretans are always liars, hurtful beasts, idle and lazy gluttons.

    13And this account of them is [really] true. Because it is [true], rebuke them sharply [deal sternly, even severely with them], so that they may be sound in the faith and free from error,

    14[And may show their soundness by] ceasing to give attention to Jewish myths and fables or to rules [laid down] by [mere] men who reject and turn their backs on the Truth.

    15To the pure [in heart and conscience] all things are pure, but to the defiled and corrupt and unbelieving nothing is pure; their very minds and consciences are defiled and polluted.

    16They profess to know God [to recognize, perceive, and be acquainted with Him], but deny and disown and renounce Him by what they do; they are detestable and loathsome, unbelieving and disobedient and disloyal and rebellious, and [they are] unfit and worthless for good work (deed or enterprise) of any kind.

    ———–

    1 John 4 (Amplified Bible)

    1 BELOVED, DO not put faith in every spirit, but prove (test) the spirits to discover whether they proceed from God; for many false prophets have gone forth into the world.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Music Eric

    Mark Them Which Cause Division

    Romans 16:17-18 (King James Version)

    17Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

    18For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Music Eric

    Do Not Tolerate Wicked People

    To Christians facing hardships, told not to question these liars; don’t lose heart. Jesus knows what we are going through – keep standing strong.

    The below scripture:

    Clearly tells us we are not to tolerate wicked men:
    Clearly tells us we are to TEST (1 John 4:1-6)
    Clearly tells us we are to CRITICALLY APPRAISE
    Jesus warns us about these so called ‘apostles’ who are nothing but liars and impostors.
    We are told to MARK those who cause division (Romans 16:17-18)

    Revelation 2:2-3 (Amplified Bible)

    2 I know your industry and activities, laborious toil and trouble, and your patient endurance, and how you cannot tolerate wicked [men] and have tested and critically appraised those who call [themselves] apostles (special messengers of Christ) and yet are not, and have found them to be impostors and liars.
    3 I know you are enduring patiently and are bearing up for My name’s sake, and you have not fainted or become exhausted or grown weary.

  • Burning Lamp

    Music Eric,

    You obviously are not familiar with the full counsel of God’s Word.

    Deborah has clearly given the Gospel on this website. The reason she exposes error is because it takes people away from the true Gospel that is their salvation.

    God HATES false doctrine and lies. That is the way Satan works. By your attitude you are aiding and abetting Satan and allowing his error to run freely with no challenge.

    You are incorrect in saying that this forum does not entertain opposing views. Many have come on defending their error, but this site does not allow them to get away with it. This is wrong? We are to DEFEND the faith against those who would destroy it. When they can’t answer they go away – this is Deborah’s fault?

    Many people have tried to contact false teachers personally but get NO response. But you apparently don’t understand – a PUBLIC ministry justifies a PUBLIC response on a forum like this. The watchers are instructed to WARN the sheep – if they don’t the blood is on their hands.

    False teachers abound and there are just a few who have the COURAGE to call them to task and WARN the people. Eric, you need to examine your own heart and seek the Lord because with your attitude, you will be held accountable.

    False teachers are not the enemy, but they are being used by the enemy – anyone who challenges them is actually doing them a FAVOR – they are in delusion and leading others into delusion.

  • sylesa

    I also agree that every name on that list is a false teacher, except i was not aware that Beth Moore was. What does she believe? I had heard that she was into some sort of contemplative mysticism,however i have not heard her speak on any of that. Is she a word/faith teacher? One at the top of the list today is c peter wagner who has repackaged the cult of the latter day rain and calls it the NAR/new apostolic reformation movement. All a part of the third wave/shepharding/covering movements, the kansas city prophets , joels army, manifest sons of God ect. Heresies.Steve Shults with his elijah list is the machine that keeps them all in touch with one another and propagating their so called “word from God’

  • sylesa

    how do i go about getting a new avatar? i am less than thrilled with my green face and tape on my mouth, lol

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Sylesa

    To get a new avatar go to gravatar.com and upload a pic there then link it to your email address. When you come to post comments here use the same email address and the picture you uploaded will show up.

  • Burning Lamp

    Sylesa, Beth Moore is a very dangerous false teacher. This may surprise some because she comes across as so passionate but she mixes truth and error. She is ecumenical and shares podiums with false teachers.

    If you do some research there are some good articles online that can help you understand what is wrong with her teaching. She is clever and I don’t doubt her sincerity for a moment, but she is deceived.

  • sylesa

    This is a much nicer avatar! My little boy Duncan the chow chow. He’s not so little anymore though!Thank you Deborah for the info on changing my avatar. Also , i would like to say that i am glad to see that you have discerment on many of these issues affecting the church and “christianity”. Many people do not have discernment unfortunetly.

  • Michael

    Music Eric wrote; I am not sure that the Gospels calls us expose anyone, even if there are problems with people’s messages or beliefs.

    Really Eric…so error can continue and Christ’s redeeming work can miss a few souls and many will be lead astray and end up in hell. Is this what you call love…we must turn a blind eye and let lies and distortion reap havoc.
    In case you are not aware of it there is a huge battle out there…the enemy is already in the camp.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Sylesa

    Re the Avatar – doggies ROCK!

    Re discernment – I will do my best all the time for as long as it takes to wake people up.

  • sylesa

    Burning Lamp, thank you so much for the info on Beth Moore, i greatly appreciate all the help that i can get in discerning false teachers. The Lord has brought me so far! I will look up the online info on her. Thanks again.

  • Deborah,

    Am surely at loss here. Yes, I have heard a lot about several of the personalities indicated as false prophets but this is the longest list I have ever seen and am really shocked. Some of the names are so respected as far as sound Bible doctrine is concerned. Now as others have already pointed out, it would have been better to point out also who you think are true prophets. I would also love if (as you have rightly said about the Bible to be the only measuring standard) you can explain for each personality (Lord have mercy, there are many!!) the shortfalls/teachings/characters etc in line to sound Bible teaching that qualify them to be false teachers/prophets.

    Shalom, shalom

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Fanuel

    This list is short, there are hundreds of thousands more. I tell you what, why don’t you go and google for yourself their false teachings, why must I do everything for everyone. Go do some work and search for the truth yourself. Surely the Holy Spirit in you will warn you who is good and bad? He warns all genuine Christians and he all gives all of us the same message – He never contradicts Himself.

  • Robbie

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    The I shall also soon removeth my avatar… and get a dog. *sigh*

  • ShellBell

    Oie Vey…so, thank you, (I think…I fear my brain’s going to explode from the vast information you share from your research and my feverent pitch to try to retain it all at once…lol) Last night, I was looking up Kim Clement..someone mentioned yesterday that he had prophesied about the recent Japan earthquake and tsunami back in 2006…and I “stumbled” (more like Lord intervened…thank you Lord) upon your site.

    The Lord’s been opening my eyes more and more these days, giving me checks in my spirit on self proclaimed prophets, tongues, t.v. evangelist, tithing, the church and other things that I seem to call into question lately. The Scriptures you share really help guide me where to look…I’m a recovering Word “lazy-lou“, as in the first 5 years of following Christ I rarely got into the Word…not proud, just being honest here. But as of the last year I crave to be immersed in the Word. Just a thought, maybe WHY my eyes are opening??

    I wanted to get your thoughts… I came across a self proclaimed prophetess in a women’s group last year. I didn’t know she was calling herself a prophet at the time, but after hearing her spew false doctrine to a woman there, telling this wounded woman she first had to ask permission from her abusive, pornographic seeking husband before she could “deny” him (keeping it PG here) or to fast to hear from God, myself and another woman spoke against that. THEN, this “prophetess” came after me, “calling me out” later that night, saying I‘d been in “hiding“ (represented by where I was sitting in the room apparently) She was right in part, I had been “hiding” in low self esteem and feeling less than in my Christian walk and it was time to come out and stand in the truth that I am a daughter of the Almighty God, get in the Word and proclaim the Truth. I allowed her to pray for me. I look back and wonder why I did and it was the first time I “spoke in tongues“ as she whispered prayers in my ear. A part of me thought it was a little weird, but it was also a little familiar, the language. BUT…

    Later in the year this same group did a foot washing ceremony and communion, led by this same woman, who donned a white robe, shared she was told to make and given specific instructions from the Lord how to do so and declared she was a prophetess… I about laughed. Weird thing is I’d never come across someone calling themselves a prophet before and can’t say I’d really thought much about it, but I had a very distinct uneasy feeling inside. At a later meeting, while everyone was in prayer, I “felt” a need to look up. I immediately saw this ‘prophetess” looking around and I got the same uneasy feeling…. I then wondered about she prayed for me…..I wonder now WHAT she prayed for…her intent….and WHAT was the language that came forth from me….

    So thank you for being here, for people like me, reminding us to keep our eyes, ears and hearts open, look only to the Word for truth, seek it out for ourselves, listen to the Holy Spirit’s promptings and call on wise counsel for confirmation. I get a little sad reading your sometimes brutal comments, but I appreciate you nonetheless. You’re definitely gifted with helping your brethren. Thank You for putting yourself out there. I chuckle when Burning Lamp posts after you and it’s a softer tone…but no less poignant. Almost like a good (gentler) cop and bad (In yo face!) cop team for Truth. :-) Ok, so putting on my bullet proof vest, waiting for a reply….you have a mighty way with words (and Truth) sister…bracing myself!!

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    ShellBell

    Bad (In yo Face!) Cop will answer you tomorrow :) You can take off your bullet proof vest for now.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Shellbell

    >> I get a little sad reading your sometimes brutal comments, but I appreciate you nonetheless.

    Do you know how many times I am insulted on a daily basis? Approximately 10 times a day, sometimes more. Insulted by evil spirits not people, really, because we fight against evil not flesh. I know that the thoughts produced by the person typing the message is demonic because I have the gift of discernment of good and evil, and I can will tell you this now; I will NOT entertain a demonic spirit. Jesus never did, the disciples never did, and nor will I.

    Now does it not sadden you as to how people speak to me? No one seems to ever feel sorry for me and what I have to put up with. (excluding a few people). This amazes me.
    Does it not sadden you because all those people are deceived and are possibly lost forever, going to hell?

    Call me what you want, read into my comments what you want and read them however you choose to read them; And I can tell you know you are choosing to read a tone that is not there. If I quit this blog because of all the insults I’ve received in the comments section, Satan’s job would be done. But Jesus chose me to go on this tough mission because I seem to have a really thick skin, most of the time.

    You go read in scripture where Jesus or the disciples told people to repent, or had to tell people they were sinning or on the wrong path. No where was it a box of chocolates. BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT WE FIGHT PRINCIPALITIES OF EVIL.

  • sylesa

    Deborah,
    I can only imagine some of the horrible comments you must have to put up with to keep a discernment ministry that exposes false teachers! Good thing you have a thick skin!lol!
    There are so many crazy things going on in the “church” today !I don’t have a ministry in this area, but i do notice that people do not want to be told that the practices of their church or somebody from TBN ect, ect, is not from God! Sometimes i read the posts and chuckle , but then ,I don’t have to be the brunt of it as you do . Nevertheless, keep up the good work!

  • sylesa

    Deborah, or anyone who has any in-out as well,
    What does Josehh Prince teach? I see him on the list. I have briefly seen and heard him on television and i have one of his books called Destined to Reign (i have not read it yet) because my previous pastor a few years ago recemended it to the congregation. I have not really paid attention to him and don’t really hnow anything about him or what he teaches or believes. Thanks.

  • sylesa

    Hey , your site is up and running again! That’s cool. What happened? What is 404 error?

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    sylesa

    >> What happened? What is 404 error?

    I forgot to pay my account, HA HA HA. I am such an idiot LOL.

  • sylesa

    Deborah,
    Lol! Well i am glad you are back!

    Did you get my emil about “pole dancing for Jesus”?

    Can you imagine the Lord being pleased by pole dancing? Ughh

  • Robbie

    Shake the Blikkie… Debs :-)

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Robbie

    I don’t have money for a blikkie ;)

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    sylesa

    No I didn’t, then again, I’ve got a ton of emails I had not read yet. Pole dancing for Jesus? You got to be kidding!

  • Burning Lamp

    Sylesa, Joseph Prince is BAD NEWS. He is wealth and health and manages to weave that into truth and it goes under the radar unless one’s frequencies are tuned high. :-)

    But he is a TBN darling so…….they don’t like ANYONE who teaches sound doctrine!!

    There is much more that I can say, but if you put his name into a search engine it will bring up some specifics on his teachings.

    I would keep the book but mark it up exposing the errors and label it CLEARLY that it is for research purposes ONLY.

  • Burning Lamp

    Sylesa, you are a great support to Deborah with your posts – and you can lift her up in prayer every day. Debs has been given a thick skin but not calloused. That is a special gift. I was born with a thin skin and feel every sling and arrow. (wincing)

  • sylesa

    Deborah,
    Isn’t that funny? Pole dancing for Jesus!! Ha Ha! I believe i added the link in my email, check it out. I got it from twitter, somebody tweeted about it. There is a exercise show on TV called “body Gospel” also Lol! I guess that if you tack on Jesus name these days , it sells!Good for business! There is a youtube link as well where TD jakes even says as much when he says that Jesus “is the product”. Sad but true.

  • sylesa

    At the risk of sounding stupid,I just have to ask —what in the world is a blikkie?? I googled the word but nothing> a blikkiedorp ? How would you shake a blikkie? I hope nobody laughs :)

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    sylesa

    blikkie is a tin ;)

  • sylesa

    Burning Lamp,
    Thank you for the advise on Joseph Prince, that is such a good idea—marking the error in the book. Then if any of my friends or family members borrow them they will see the notations instead of being reinforced with false teaching. I have a few joyce Meyer that i never read either, i now know she is false and for that reason have not read her books, but now eventually i will read them and impliment your advise with her books also.

    I SOOOOO hate to throw away a book! I love books! I know that some of my books in my library are from false teachers but can’t bring myself to throw them away! I now am VERY careful whos’ books i buy! Now that my eyes are open to all these false teachers/teachings. I don’t want to help add to the false teachers spreading their doctrine by buying their books, or waste money on them for that matter.

    I am glad that i found this website Burning Lamp! I wholeheartedly support this blog(even tho we disagree on a couple things, nothing essential)!

    The Lord opened my eyes to many things in the preceding months before i stumbled upon this blog. I can’t tell you my confusion over some teachings and goings on in the church. I desperately sought the Lord to teach me and to help me and to make my heart willing to see and obey the truth.God has and is doing that in me. I was amazed and very happy when i came across this blog which reinforced the things that God has been showing me!! Amazed because we live in a very “tolerant” world and here was a blog openly naming names of false teachers! And so it should be–Paul did! But I have found in my own experience, people don’t appreciate that. I have some friends that listen to ALL these false teachers and i keep quiet and don’t openly critisize the teachers but when opportunity comes up in conversation , i sometimes will speak the truth of the scriptures — in small doses, because i am very sensitive that people don’t like to hear such things. I wonder why? I have found that most people don’t know the scriptures.

    I am so grateful and thankful for this blog and for Deborah and for you and all the others on this blog that stand for truth fearlessly, when it is not popular.

    I have not been blessed with a thick skin by nature, but i have learned to seperate what is my issue and what is another persons issue and not take it to my heart when it is not my issue.The lord is helping me to have a thicker skin i guess!

    That is a good balance — to have thick skin , but still able to have compassion! I woild like to be that way.

    I appreciate all of you out there in cyber land that are for truth!

    Thank you Deborah and Burning Lamp.

  • Burning Lamp

    I often wonder how long the Lord will continue to tolerate His Son and His Word to be manipulated and maligned.

    There is one church that did a series of sermons called “Whoopee Cushion” and used sayings connected with flatuance. That is a new low.

    Man will always try to Christianize the things of the world whether they be pagan or mystical or human origin. From yoga to pole dancing like they do in the strip clubs. Sick!!!

  • Robbie

    lol… Sorry Sylesa.

    … but, please tell us what you thought it was?..

  • sylesa

    BL,
    finding mixed reviews online about J Prince. Seems that he has some things right but not really sure of him. I am also not liking that he was on the cover of Charisma magazine, that’s disturbing in itself. I will continue to look into what exactly it is that he teaches. Seems so far that people are saying that he is alittle heavy on grace and light on repentance.

  • sylesa

    Hello Deborah,
    It has been quiet for the last few days on the blog, i pray that it is not because you are feeling sick still. I hope that all is getting better and better with you.

    I was wondering what you and the others thought of Andrew Wommack? I know that he is under the charasmatic persuasion in that he speaks in tongues and that he believes that God ALWAYS wants you well. I do not believe these things at all , but at the same time I do think that he does have alot of good practical bible teachings to apply to everyday living in this world, and he seems not at all a prosperity teacher per se.I guess he seems a bit different than most all other charasmatic teachers. Was wondering what you all think of him or maybe know as far as his authenticity is concerned.I haven’t seen him on any list yet.

    Again, i hope that all is well with you Deborah.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    sylesa

    Yes, sorry unfortunately I am not well, but I will be ok soon :)) Thank you so much for your concerns!

  • sylesa

    Robbie,
    lol , really wasn’t sure! Then because the comment came AFTER my comment about pole dancing for Jesus….. well i was wondering if he was teasing Deborah about pole dancing …… lol , i never heard the word blikkie before! I better shut up, i am making things worse, lol!!!

  • Burning Lamp

    Sylesa, chiming in on Andrew Wommack. I would stay away from him – you don’t need his “practical” Bible teaching. He comes across as very low key and pleasantly engaging. His sincerity is not in question, it is his doctrine.

    As one person who examined his teaching put it, “I have to say that lot of what AW says is excellent but his foundational teaching is sinking sand.”

    AW is probably one of the most dangerous teachers because much of what he says is truth and puts one off guard for the error.
    Just one point is that he downplays the sovereignty of God and says it is bad doctrine. To say God is sovereign does not mean one has to believe in the twisted sovereignty doctrine of Calvinism.

    Another site that exposes AW is http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Wolves/andrew_wommack.htm.

    Good advice is to stay away from AW. I hope this is helpful!

  • Burning Lamp

    Sylesa, on JP, another one to stay away from. Why go to broken cisterns?

    He is a darling of TBN – red flag waving!!!

    Stay away from these TV preachers – go find some books by “dead guys” who are not going to slide into apostasy or mix their teachings with error. They weren’t perfect and everyone’s teaching has to be weighed by the Word, but they can be trusted.

    One who has been a blessing to me is H.A. Ironside. You have to work at finding his commentaries, but there is much online you can find. It takes some effort more than turning on the TV or radio, but it is worth it. Also, you have to sit down with the commentary with your Bible and study. You can find some of his commentaries at Christianbook.com.

    You have to realize dear friend that the most dangerous teaching is one that skillfully weaves truth and error together – the truth is used to shield the error. Very clever tactic of the enemy!!

  • KO

    Thank you for posting this website. I was saved in 1994, after realizing that my Catholic upbringing didn’t tell me squat about Jesus, or my sin and need of salvation, etc…I just figured I had water poured on my head as a baby and, well, that was my ticket to “meet Saint Peter at the gates”….Well, one of the first things that happened to me after God saved my miserable soul, is an immediate identification of when someone wasn’t telling the truth regarding God’s word, though I myself wasn’t knowledgable of it much at the time. Years went on, and sadly, as my autistic son become more and more self-abusive, I became more and more angry at God, finally just tossing the Bible in the garbage (only to retrieve it later in tears…but you get the picture…) This kind of tumultuous relationship with God went on and on for years, and probably not until a few months ago did it really stop, when I realized, HEY, In this life I will have trouble, this is NOT a Kingdom. This is NOT a paradise. I don’t need to find “purpose” in my life, God decides what my purpose is, as I choose to obey HIM. And, by the way, not having “enough faith” isn’t the reason my son has punched himself in the head for years, though that’s what some Christians told me. Now that’s a real mood brightener, to think your autistic child slams his fists into head all these years, because, well, ya didn’t have enough “FAITH.” I don’t know why God has allowed such a brutal and savage behavior to go on for over 18 years, despite an army of professionals. And it doesn’t matter. I don’t need to know. What I need to know is what God says in His word, because outside of Him, I can do nothing.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    KO

    That is quite a story KO and you brought tears to my eyes! KO, can I tell you that although I don’t know the pain you experience first hand, I CAN tell you that I know too a little degree (like 1%) what you are going through. I went too your website I hope people read it and learn a bit about what you are going through. There is much about the brain we don’t know and when things go wrong, boy do things only go wrong. The worst is to be told you have little faith or even WORSE that it’s demonic! :(

    May Jesus look after you and your son. TRUST in HIM KO, TRUST HIM that He will help you and look after you day in and day out – take each day as it comes. Jesus PROMISED us in His Word that He would look after us and believe it or not, HE DOES ;) Look how far you have come through so many trials and tribulations. He knows your pain, but He knows your heart too. Be strong and NEVER TURN YOUR BACK on Jesus, because HE IS THE ONLY ONE on your side!

  • SSBG

    Deborah, are you familiar with Christian Research Institute (Hank Hanegraaff)? They seem to be fundamental but do not believe in pre-trib rapture.

  • Woody Bailey

    I noticed a photo of Bill Johnson. Can someone please tell me what makes him a false teacher? I have my reservations about him and some of his associations, but I need more input from others who have studied his teachings.
    Blessings,
    Woody Bailey
    Goshen, IN

  • Robbie

    Woody

    He teaches a Word of Faith gospel, and as such is a false teacher. Johnson is in error for teaching some of the hellfire doctrines of the movement.

    Johnson loves Benny Hinn, and Hinn is no question a false teacher.

    Johnson also calls those who exposed Tattoo Todd Bentley as a false prophet “sharks”.

    by your friends and fruits…

  • Burning Lamp

    SSBG, if you don’t mind I will attempt to answer your question. Hanegraaff has a portion of the truth, but is mixed up in his eschatology and promotes it through his program. He also is a pal of Rick Warren. There are other concerns, but personally I don’t listen to him or recommend him to anyone. There are other more reliable sources.

  • SSBG

    Ahaa, I have subsequently found out that Hank Hanegraaff has partial preterist views..

  • SSBG

    I have a question (I am not sure if this is the correct forum): I heard someone saying that the blood of Jesus broke the curse so we can appropriate the blood of Jesus to our finances and our general well-being. The consequence of this statement is that we should expect financial blessings and God’s protection against dangers because the blood of Christ “purchased” this for us. Nowhere in the scriptures do I read that the blood of Jesus gives us this – His blood broke the curse of sin and eternal damnation and this doesn’t mean we should expect financial gain or even physical protection. What do you think??

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    SSBG

    If you can’t find it in the Bible then it’s false :) Jesus’ blood WASHES AWAY our sin thereby enabling us to stand before our Heavenly Father SPOTLESS. It now means the Holy Spirit can come and abide in you because you have CLEANED OUT your HOME for HIM. It has nothing to do with financial gain, or physical gain at all.

  • Robbie

    Debs.
    and that means… when someone wants to pray the blood of Jesus over me I’ll say…
    “thanks!… but I’m covered”

  • Dave

    Deborah if it isn’t too much to ask can you put the name of each one of the Fake Prophets so if some of us recognize someone could search for him at the net, however i just wanted to know the name of the one second from up to down at the right superior corner, white hair mustache and glasses. Looks like a FP in Mejico.

  • anon

    I have been aware of Stephen’s website http://www.speakgodspeak.com since 2008 and watching his website since then. I happen to remember that back then there was a testimonial by Bishop Jordan on Stephen’s website including a photo of Bishop Jordan, where Bishop Jordan gave a glowing recommendation and acclamation of Stephen Choate’s anointing and prophetic gift.

    Today, this photo and statement by Bishop Jordan is no longer on Stephen’s website….instead Stephen denies having any affiliation with Jordan. I suspect this is because of the negative publicity he may have been getting due to having been somehow affiliated to Jordan who is so obviously a false prophet dabbling in numerology and new age occult techniques.

    I just wanted to clarify this, because in my previous comment I said Stephen had a link to Bishop Jordan…..whereas today on his website he blatantly denies any affiliation.

    The fact remains that on Phil Cooke’s blog Stephen supports and defends Bishop Jordan openly….in his own words he said “The Anointing on Bernard Jordan’s life is amazing. The presence of God around him is also powerful”. Which just goes to show that Stephen was unable to discern a false prophet.

    Stephen reports to have had numerous visitations from “Jesus”….and he also seems to believe that extra-biblical “knowledge” and supernatural experiences are superior and make him more spiritually mature. He tries to use the “accuracy” of his prophecies to prove that God exists. (obviously God does not need to prove Himself to anyone, and God would not expect someone to receive payment for proving that He exists by selling prophecies…)

    On Stephen’s website he has an article about “Michael Jackson’s departure” where it says that people are always trying to disprove him (i.e. Stephen) and that only the wise, mature, and intelligent will connect with Stephen for a prophetic word because only those with spiritual discernment will understand his gift.

    Folks….according to his website that makes me stupid and immature. So be it – there is no way I am requesting a “prophetic word” from the dark kingdom. I say run from this ministry…and don’t look back!

    While Stephen seems to be a nice person and while he seems to be a well-meaning christian (who am i to judge anyway), this does not mean that he can’t be deceived. ANYBODY including believers can be deceived, that’s precisely why the Bible warns us about false prophets. Please understand that my comments here are not meant to be attacks on Stephen personally, rather I am voicing my concerns and trying to warn the public. Because many christians these days are making the mistake of running to prophets all the time to receive personal prophecies, instead of developing discernment and building their own relationship with Jesus. Admittedly I too have made this mistake in the past…and it only caused havoc and problems in my life!
    Nowhere in the Bible does God instruct us to seek personal prophecies from so-called prophets like a fortune-telling service! God has already given us his Word as well as the Holy Spirit to live by and to direct our path.

  • anon

    Hi!

    I just wanted to make the public aware of another “prophet for profit” called Stephen Chaote, since you have the platform here to do it. His website can be found at http://www.speakgodspeak.com. He sells prophecies and seems to have links to other false prophets such as Bernard Jordan. While he professes to be a Christian and says that Jesus Christ as the only way to God, his prophecies are mostly about worldly things like cars, money, jobs, Michael Jackson……looks more like a fortune-telling service – and he deems supernatural encounters more important than the Word – which should send alarm bells ringing!

    While he seems to have a loyal following, there have also been many complaints about
    him at various places on the internet easily found with google (enter his name and the word “complaint”).

    Looking forward to hearing other’s feedback

    Thank you

  • Jan

    Mike Bickle is a false prophet deceiving millions. He, along with Rick Joyner are channeling dreams and visions from demonic forces. Mike has been preaching the same ‘messages’ as occultic mediums Jane Lead from the 16th century and Alice Bailey who channeled the New Age from Satanic forces for 30 years.

    Through false teachers like Bickle, Rick Joyner and Rick Warren, the church is becoming just as Bailey predicted. She said that in order for the “Great Lord” (antichrist) to come, the church would become ‘Inclusive”, “Free from (written) Doctrine)” and “Transformed”. This is happening now as we see the current Church becoming Universal, Occultic and Militant . (“A Treatise on the Seven Rays”)

    1)Universal, in that doctrinal lines are being erased to bring ‘everyone in’.

    2)Occultic, in that the Logos, the written word of God is being eradicated. (This is happening two-fold. The Fundamentals now embrace non-Biblical translations (the NIV and the “Message”) and the charismatics are looking to the (false) voice of God (Rhema) instead of the written word (the Logos).

    3)Transformed in that men will be ‘transformed’ by Satan, become possessed and seek to persecute believers. Alice Bailey prophesied that the coming ‘rain of the spirit’ would ‘render men allegiant to the “Christ”. (antichrist).

    Even now, the ‘old wineskins’ are thought of as the Enemy because they adhere to the written word of God ONLY for Truth, and they are ‘in the way’ of the coming Emerging (Fundamental) Global (Charismatic ) One World (Occultic) Church. Enter the “Davidic Wars” prophesied by mystic Jane Lead. The ‘spirit people’ are the “Davids’ and will become more militant in their goal to eradicate the “Sauls”, the non-spirit people. These ‘god-men’ will be supernaturally empowered. Mike Bickle talks often of “Davidic Wars” and also promotes the “Elijah List”, the same as what Jane Lead prophesied: That in the end times men would go about in the ‘spirit of Elijah” to eradicate non-spirit people. So, Bickle and Joyner’s “Warrior Bride” is not the bride of Christ but the coming militant One World Church. The Church is turning on itself. Even now false apostles are teaching that the ‘tares’ are those that reject spirit-realm revelations and must be removed

    Also, Bickles unbiblical sensual “passion for Jesus”, paradigm shift, transition, synergy, prayer walking, and the Harp and Bowl are ALL connected to the occultic agenda to bring in the antichrist, called NEW BEGINNINGS! Apostates like Rick Joyner dismiss the Rapture which puts the church on the same bandwagon as the occultics and the world in looking for “the King”. THE FALSE KING! Scripture tells us that Jesus comes as the bridegroom first to remove His church, (I Thessalonians 4:16, 17) then comes back as King at His second coming WITH His church. (I Thessalonians 3:13) Any other “King” coming before, is the Man of Sin masquerading as the Man of Peace the Bible warns about. Bickle also says ‘no rapture’ means the “church’ will ‘execute judgment during the Tribulation” but it will be the HARLOT CHURCH, not the bride of Christ. (John 16:2) (Revelation 17:6) (Revelation 6:9,10) that will execute judgement against believers.

    We are to daily put on the armor of God and STAND, not fight, but we will have been removed anyway, and will be at the Bema seat of Christ recieving rewards at this time. (11 Corinthians 5:10) The Church, permanently justified in Christ’s blood, (I Corinthians 6:11, Revelation 3: 10) will not go through the judgment of the Tribulation. The Church is not a militant entity anyway as one of the symbols is the dove, for peace. The symbol now in churches, representing the coming One World Church, is the eagle, a war bird !

    Also if you investigate any occultic jargon, you will see that Mike Bickle and Rick Warren’s “New Gospel”, “New Jesus”, “New Grace”, “New Rain of the Spirit” “New Song”, “New Hallelujah”, “New Message”, “Fresh” Word of God, “New Manchild”, “New Purpose”, “Elijah List” and “Davidic Wars” all come straight out of the New Age Movement . Bickle’s “Birthing the global church” is the same as the occultic ‘birthing the One World Church.” Bickle’s Feast of Tabernacles is also the same as the occultic Planetary Pentecost! Bickle’s “Corporate Christ” is the same as the occultic “Cosmic Christ!” Bickles’ Contemplative Prayer” is the same as the occultic ‘transcendental meditation.

    Romans 16:17 tells us to contend for doctrine and avoid those who teach contrary to the doctrine we have learned,” but the TBN crowd says to avoid those who teach doctrine and now Bereans are called Heresy Hunters! Rick Joyner’s militant push for churches to join “the River” is the same ecumenical River pushed by occultics (Matthew Fox) to form their One World Church. “New Wave of the Spirit” is another New Age term describing a (false) Rhema that will come inhabit the minds of men so they will follow the antichrist, yet that term is in churches today! But with mantras replacing hymns, and chanting replacing Biblical prayer, many unbelievers are being prepared for this ‘transformation’ by a false coming Rhema. (New Rain of the Spirit) Alice Bailey even predicted that ‘as more and more demons descend into the minds of men, the church will think its the Holy Spirit” ! (“A Treatise on the Seven Rays”)

    The Bible tells us that the fruit of the Spirit is self control (Galatians 5:22) but Bickle tells us its screaming, fainting, shaking, jerking and changes in skin color!? ! The Bible tells us to be sober (Titus 2) but Bickle promotes drunkeness from the “New Wine” that churches around the world are partaking of. This literally is the world consuming the “cup of abominations” (Revelation 17)…the One World Philosophy that Jesus warned would come.

    Satan is alive and well and is bringing in his kingdom through the Fundamental “Emerging” Church and the Charismatic “Global” church. NOWHERE in Scripture does it say there will be a Global Harvest but rather, the world will wax worse and worse. II Timothy, 4:3 “For the time will come that men will no longer endure SOUND DOCTRINE.” Instead of staying within the confines of God’s written word, Bickle uses dreams, visions, trances and anything supernatural for ‘truth’, yet Jesus always said, “It is WRITTEN”. He also said “MANY false prophets would arise, (Matthew 24) using signs and wonders to deceive the world.” Just as Bickle, Joyner and Rick Warren are doing.

    Charismatic John Wimber said, “Unless a man sees signs and wonders he CANT believe.” (Power Evangelism) But JESUS said, “Unless a man sees signs and wonders, he WONT believe.” John 4:48 Bickle tells us to “look for manifestations” but Jesus said, “Search the SCRIPTURES for they testify of Him.” John 5 Bickle truly is preparing the world for the antichrist’s deception through signs and wonders. Occultics have been researching Matthew 24 and are getting closer to their coming deception of the ‘antichrist coming in the clouds’ to fool the world, which will be accomplished through technology and Satanic means. The true Church will have been raptured but those left behind who rejected the Gospel will fall for the great delusion.

    God help those who have fallen for these false prophets and doctrines of demons that Timothy and Paul warned us about! “Come out of her, my people…” Revelation 18:4

  • Kevin Kleint

    I worked for the Elijah List for Seven Years. A large number of the “prophets” are definitely false. Feel free to check out my story.

    Kevin Kleint

  • Burning Lamp

    Kevin, checked out your site – quite a testimony. These people are much more than loony tunes, there is definitely a deeper and darker spirit at work amongst these folks. Interesting that the folks who are “following” you are into all kinds of bad stuff – one nice-looking older lady likes Karen Wheaton? Good grief!!!

  • Arthur

    @ Deborah

    Let me make it really easy for you to understand. I endorse ONE BOOK. It’s called the Bible.

    Hope that clears things up for you.

    The above books are not just 1% error or so, but totally erroneous – therefore this list serves as a WARNING.

    ””

    These people also read the Bible and base there doctrines on scripture. To them they have received revelation from the Holy Ghost. Who would not want to be healthy, wealthy and bound for paradise. That is the gospel people want and there will always be some one to tickle there ears. That of course does not excuse there delusion. As they say there is a sucker born every minute and most of them seem to be in the USA.

  • Kevin Kleint

    Hi Burning Lamp,

    Yes, I know quite a few people who are on my FB are kind of “one foot in and one foot out” of the prophetic movement. Some people have a hard time breaking out of that kind of mindset. Oftentimes, they have many friends who are still very involved in it and constantly speak twisted “scripture-like” advice to them. I just hope that I can encourage them to get into God’s Word and find out for themselves that, in order to stand upon the Rock, you need to leave these unstable teachings and ways behind. Like I said in my posts, I live in Albany, OR – home of the Elijah List, and to be constantly confronted with this pseudo-christianity can be a real challenge.

    Many blessings, Kevin

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    errrrrr

  • Lisa

    [lisa, go seek Jesus Christ first, then all things will be added to you]

  • GLENDON HERMANUS

    [deleted]

  • Brother John

    Hi,

    after reading many hundreds of posts on your blog, I find myself compelled to write something myself…

    It seems, that most people on here have had bad experiences in life and have not had their prayers answered the way they thought they should, or people had told them things like “you don’t have enough faith” or they have had prophetic words not come to pass or they see poor doctrine being preached by manny of the people on tv at the moment…

    So have I …. I have had delays, seemingly unanswered prayers, sicknesses in my body, told I need more faith, see and hear things I don’t agree with and all the other things most of you can relate to in life… Yet, I find it hard to believe that you all would put down ministries like you do, just because they belong to one “camp” or another…
    So what if they are of the Faith camp, and not of the Prophetic ccamp, or of the Prophetic camp and not of the Holiness movement, or of the Holiness movement and not of the River movement or not of the Fire movement or the Evangelical movement or any other movement or camp that is out there.

    Did not Paul say by the Holy Spirit that we are all memebers of the one body and that if one member hurts, then the whole body hurts??? If one part rejoices, then the whole body rejoices???
    Call me simplistic, but instead of pulling ministries down for “bad doctrine”, and error, how about we make sure that we all have sound doctrine, by giving ourselfs to the study of the Word of God through the Holy Spirit who Jesus sent to us in His stead, for He will show us all this (see John 14, 15 16 for the ministry of the Holy Spirit)… Time spent pulling people down is time wasted in my opinion as we never get that time again. Isaiah 26 vs 3 says that God will keep us in perfect peace if we have our mind on Him… Paul encourages us to be anxious for nothing, but in everything BY prayer and supplications, with thanksgiving, let your requests be known to God; and the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding will guard your hearts and your minds through Christ Jesus…

    That is how our time should be taken up with, keeping our minds on God the Father, all that He is and all that He has given to us through Jesus Christ and the promise of the blessing of Abraham which is the Holy Spirit (Galaions 3vs14) … and not throwing stones in glass houses…

    Lets make 2013 a year of victory instead of negative pursuits… God has got perfect peace for those who want it, no matter what is happening aound us. We just have to believe Him; isn’t that what faith is anyway???

  • Redeemed

    @ Brother John:

    Apparently you don’t see the need to DEFEND sound doctrine? You call this throwing stones at glass houses?

    You don’t see the HARM that is done by false teachers who lead people astray? You don’t see that false teaching HURTS people, the sheep of the Lord? You think it is right to turn a blind eye to this? You quote the “be anxious for nothing” verse out of context and misapply it.

    You must think the Apostle Paul and others who spent much of their lives exposing false teaching and warning the flock to STAY AWAY from false teachers were wasting their time and mistaken. Apparently you do not understand that wolves are devouring the sheep. We are to each mind our own business and not let it concern us? Isn’t that the height of selfishness?

    God will hold accountable those like yourself who do not alert others of dangerous and destructive false doctrine. There are many FALSE gospels that send people to an eternal hell.

    Negative pursuits? That is how you see the work of discernment? It seems you need a good dose of reality.

  • Carolyn

    Brother John #119…You said: “Call me simplistic” Ok…if you say so….

    We live in the real world…with real live false prophets who are duping the sheep. My advice is to go back and study the Word, because you need to. Then you will understand why we discern the false from the true and you will learn how to expose the false words of the false prophets by correct doctrine for yourself.

    If you think all we should be doing is smiling and living in victory…you should not be on this discernment site criticizing other bloggers. You SHOULD be in the Word!!!!

    This is exactly why the church is in the position it is in…the false has not been dealt with…ecumenism has been mistaken for Christian love and the sheep love the message you just preached because it tickles their emotional and practical sentiments and entices them away from the pursuit of SOUND doctrine. It gives them a horizontal relationship with men(seeker sensitive) and shuts off the vertical relationship with God(holiness).

  • Sharon

    Mark most of the “true prophets” are the unknowns. My Grandfather a pastor over 60 years and now in heaven, J.T. Griffith….no one knows him except for the many he led to a personal faith in Jesus Christ. My own brother, a pastor of his present church for some 30 years now and a total in the pastorate of 45 years….few if any know him except for those that either are or will be in heaven because of him leading them to a personal faith in Jesus Christ. I suppose hundreds of thousands of unknowns down through the eons of time that have fought the good fight….those are the ones heaven will make note of.

    Mark wrote:

    Could you make a post on your site of who are the true prophets. Thanks.

  • Sharon

    If Darrin ever returns here I hope he will have learned some manners. You do a great job Deborah.

    Darrin wrote:

    It seems that Deborah always will have the last word. This may or may not be deleted but it needs to be said.

    “Deborah, just because “you” have written it, or studied it, or God forbid because “you – Deborah” says so, doesnt make it correct.

    I believe your heart and study is in the right place, and you have valid points, but so do others that arent your friends or that share the same ideas as you.

    ‘God allowed His Son Jesus Christ to take our place on the cross so that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish but have eternal life.’

    There is a lot in that verse of course. Alot that we do as Christians that are not in that verse. But it is key that “whosoever believeth” be the start and end all. In that, there is a lifetime of study and commitment as you know.

    You present yourself again and again as having the knowledge that no man has. If anyone says ANYTHING contrary to you it is automatically not right. Sorry Miss Deborah, but the bible has warned us against you as well.

    I hold fast to the Word of God and his leading. You should in my own opinion do the same. Keep up the good work but step back a bit every once in awhile and look at what you are doing and pushing.

    I recognize this is your site, so I will stop writing. I just hope that you honestly pray for God to mend your heart and let life crush you for a season, so that you may come to Christ on bended knees, with a heart that has been broken and is sincere.

  • Sharon

    I have been saved a long time now….50 years in fact. I am 58 and my daily prayer is….God never ever let me deceived because no human is immune from it. Know the wolves….then don’t become their food.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Thanks Sharon!

  • fred,

    Paul must have been one of the top blasphemers of his time because he continually warned against false teachers.

    (2 Co 11:13-15) For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

  • Tesslynn

    I read with enthusiasm down the list of posting, and I have to say WOW. I grew up in Berkeley, CA. In the turbulent times, and there we SAW it, and many were DOING it all. Nothing is new under the sun, and if you lived there and were exposed to that culture then you knew it, ha. Many don’t believe in prophesy here, and I respect that, but I will tell ya, one that has STUCK with me throughout the years-given in the ’70’s by a very devout woman, who had the FRUIT to back up the gifting, rings true in my mind. When the generation comes that can’t discern good from evil, look up, for your redemption is nigh. I think that we have arrived at that time, and being older in the faith as Sharon is, I can tell you I have SEEN it ALL. I have worked with “ministries”, I have been a part of a global ministry family. I know what goes on behind the scenes, I know many of the influential players in the Body. I have discernment and USE it. Many that started out working for the Kingdom, have abused it. I have seen many fall away over the years. One’s that you never would think would FALL, but did. It is a truth, the ones that FINISH the race, stayed true to the origin, and the WORD. Sought Yeshua before the wisdom of men. I exhort those running the race, to HOLD fast to your first love, The LORD GOD ALMIGHTY, He ALONE is your treasure, your prize, and that is where you invest your time and devotion, not with the teachings of men, programs, seminars, what have you. Your course objective, in your journey here- STUDY, LEARN, KNOW and EXECUTE the BOOK (the Bible)! Let your witness convict you of belonging to the FOLD! not your alignment, association, or alligence to any man’s interpretation or philosophy. Amen!

  • Mark Holtman

    Many of these churches started well but have fallen into deception and the love of money. I know from personal experience that Satan does come to you to offer you a deal.He spoke to me clearly over my shoulder and told me that I can have all this (fame fortune)if I gave him what he wanted. I refused as I knew this is not the way God operates.

    It is so sad to see churches that were doing great works for Christ have sold out for riches. The body of Christ must continue to walk in love and rebuke as carefully as possible.I graduated from a word of faith bible college and I am grateful to God for what I learned. All the doctrine may not have been perfect but you could feel the presence of the Holy Spirit.
    I can no longer set my foot in this church it has become dead.All flesh and emotion and worst of all money hungry. The fruits of the leaders are just not there to say the least.

    God help us in these last days. We could be the generation that will see the apostate church and the revealing of the AC.We may have to go back to the ways of the first church (from house to house).
    God bless all those who seek to serve God in spirit, truth and holiness.

  • I don’t see any mention or photos of the wolves in sheep’s clothing in the Roman Catholic Church.

  • isaac

    maybe a better question would be, “Who is NOT a false prophet?”

  • Isaac,

    If you can’t acknowledge that God (Jesus Christ) is not a false prophet then you have a problem. Why? Because He proved that He is the Way, the Truth and the Life and that no one comes to the Father but through Him.

  • Jon

    Deborah, you are lost.

  • Jon,

    And I suppose you are saved? Would you mind telling us how you were saved

  • Stanley

    Judge not, that you be not judged. For with what judgment you judge, you shall be judged: and with what measure you mete, it shall be measured to you again. Our biblical knowledge can’t save us and isn’t sufficient to judge other people. Bible is just an old guide showing us how to get to know Jesus for real! Only Jesus can save us and reveal to us, who is the true prophet and who is false prophet. We have no right to judge other people according to our own personal beliefs and oppinions. Our own judgements are godless and evil. Better don’t judge on your own.
    “The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light. But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!”
    Matthew 6:22-23
    Mark 9:38-41.
    1.Corinthians 2:11

  • Stanley,

    Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: (Luk 6:37)

    I wish Christians would at least try to understand that there is a vast difference between judging a person and judging doctrine. The portion you quoted does not relate to judging (discerning) doctrine but judging persons. An example would be where you judge someone for indulging in the sin of smoking while you yourself smoke like a chimney. Jesus forbids this kind of judgment. That’s why He said: ” You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye.” In other words first quit smoking and then you will be in a position to exhort others about the dangers of the sin of smoking. Or, you may judge someone for committing adultery while you yourself are committing adultery in your heart when looking with lust at women. Once again, this kind of judgment is not only hypocritical but highly undesirable.

    However, when doctrine comes to the fore we are exhorted to judge all things (not persons). Consider the following scriptures.

    1 Corinthians 2:15 Amplified Bible (AMP)

    But the spiritual man tries all things [he examines, investigates, inquires into, questions, and discerns all things], yet is himself to be put on trial and judged by no one [he can read the meaning of everything, but no one can properly discern or appraise or get an insight into him].

    Here we see that those who refuse to judge (discern) doctrine is not spiritually mature. They are still little children in the faith.

    so that we may no longer be children, tossed to and fro by the waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by human cunning, by craftiness in deceitful schemes. (Eph 4:14)

    Spiritually immature Christians are usually tossed to and fro by every wind of doctrine because they are piously reluctant to judge.

    You wrote,

    Bible is just an old guide showing us how to get to know Jesus for real! Only Jesus can save us and reveal to us, who is the true prophet and who is false prophet.

    If the Bible was just an old guide showing us how to get to know Jesus for real then we may just as well tear most of the parts relating to sanctification and holy living out of the Bible. The Bible was not only written to reveal to us God’s way of salvation but is also “profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.” You cannot correct anyone without showing him that he is on the wrong track doctrinally. If you do not judge doctrine you are missing out on the wonderful opportunity to save a soul from death. Or do you prefer to be like Cain who asked “Am I my brother’s keeper” and willfully let him perish in his erroneous doctrines?

    Let him know, that he which converts the sinner from the error of his way (who has strayed from the truth) shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins. (James 5:20)

    When Jesus said, “Take heed that no man deceive you” (Mat 24:4) he placed the onus on every believer to judge for himself what is of God and what not. He will not reveal to you what is false and what is true. He did not say, “I will test the spirits for you to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.” He gave you and all believers the command to “test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.” (1 John 4:1), and if you do not test (judge, discern) the spirits to see wheter they are from God or not you are being downright disobedient to Jesus.

    You are trying to validate your view with 1 Corinthians 2:11. Yes, of course we cannot read peoples’ minds but we are quite capable to discern their thoughts when they express their minds verbally or on paper. How could we have known God’s mind if He had not used men to write down his thoughts in the Bible? False prophets just adore to make their thoughts known to all people because they are bent on leading them astray. They do not keep their thoughts to themselves. So, in short, your use of 1 Corinthians 2:11 is a total non-sequitur.

    Similarly, your quote of Mark 9:38-41 does not support your view. First of all Jesus who is all-knowing knew that the man who cast out demons in his Name was not a false teacher or prophet and therefore put a stamp of approval on his work. Nonetheless, he condemns the multitude of today’s so-called prophets and teachers when He says,

    “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.” (Mat 7:21-23)

    Matthew 6:22-23 has nothing to do with judging correctly or with discernment. Jesus denounced the Pharisees belief that monetary wealth was a sign of God’s favour. In fact, he told them that their eyes which coveted money and wealth put them in spiritual darkness. Their eyes were diseased (verse 22). They were slaves to the master of greed.

    So, I would like to advise you to first study the context in which scriptures appear before you make any public statements of the sort you have made.

  • Robert

    Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:

    Link
    Oh boy… What on earth have the 2 Witnesses in the End times Tribulation (which the church will not see as we will be raptured) got to do with the conversation that was taking place.
    And are you saying that because I Corinthians 14 “ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn and all may be comforted.” That now makes everyone a prophet?
    Prophecy ceased along with tongues after the bible was written.

    Rev 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

  • Robert,

    The Book of Revelation contains Jesus’ testimony (prophecy) in full. We dare not add to it or take away from it (Rev. 22:18). So, don’t even think to add your own or anyone else’s so-called prophecies to the Book of Revelation.

    For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. (Rev 22:18-19)

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Robert

    Please read this article, Are Prophets for Today or has Prophecy Ceased? to understand the difference between prophecy (So called inspired mumbojumbo FORTELLING the future) and prophecy (gift of inspired preaching and teaching FORTH TELLING of the truth of the Word of God)

  • Angus

    Deborah
    Am so elated and blessed by your post. May God keep givin u wisdom n knowledge to reveal d truth. But i have some few bothering question about ur post and assertions.
    Please i do follow some of Willian Marion Branam teachings and all he taught was turning the heart of the children back to the father, so i want to ask why did u add him among the false prophets??? Am not being critical but all i really want to walk in d part of truth.
    Your take on d issue of speaking in tongues ended after d bible was written is also an issue am pondering on. So please i would be happy if u make me clear especially on Bro William Branam’s case.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Dear Angus

    Please go to this article: William Branham – False Prophet
    Please read this article as well: Are Prophets for Today or has Prophecy Ceased?

  • Ronald frederik

    Deborah your good and strong , solid like a rock , lol
    It was always part of the beginning of the Source that is God the Creator ,
    Feel , Hear , See and touch , Iam the living God and answer inside you .
    Love and Blessings to you all

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Ronald

    I am not sure what you are saying? This is a very new age statement: You say; “Feel, Hear, See and touch, I am the living God and the answer is inside you” Um no, I don’t need to use all my senses to meditate and wait for ‘God’ to answer me and tell me he is inside me.

  • Dianne

    On reading the above article and seeing all the pictures I do not see Theo and Bev Wolmarans there, and their “spiritual son” ALAN BAGG of The Bay Family Christian Church in Somerset West, who is also on TBN! He is a false teacher leading many, many people off track, and had me fooled for a short while years back!

  • Vanessa

    Hi Dianne,

    Its always bring me such joy when I see a fellow Brother or Sister In Christ have their eyes and hearts opened to the truth. So many will not listen and take heed and those I feel were never saved in the first place. I am glad you saw these men as wolves.

  • Ronald frederik

    [deleted – the path of truth is a cult]

  • The only advice I have for you, Ronald Frederik is this:

    Jesus said to him, “If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.” (Mat 19:21)

    However, I sincerely hope you do not follow the man’s example in this scene but rather Jesus.

  • ronald frederik

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  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Dianne

    I actually years ago had an article on Theo Wolmerans and when I swopped blogs from one site to another I lost a few articles, his being one of them. I must see if I can find it…

  • Fabian

    Be careful who you call false. If you knew some of these people you just listed as false then you would repent for you have judged innocent men and women. I agree with your statement that you endorse the bible 100 percent but to endorse something means you’l trust what it says. The Bible teaches that GOD called there first to be Apostles,Prophets,Evangelists,Pastors and teachers. Surely if there are pastors and teachers around that there is Apostles,Evanngelists and Prophets? And is your view on our great GOD so shallow to believe that the only prophets are those in the old testament? Did not the Bible say Believe in the prophets so shall you prosper? Are you prospering? If No are you believing in the Prophets? Don’t tell me but that’s passed NO!!! Heaven and earth may pass away but the Word stands eternal! It doesn’t matter if GOD said somethin yesterday or 1000 years ago it will forever stand!!! I am in no way saying that you must believe in prophets and stop believing in our Saviour JESUS. I am saying believe every word in the Bible and stop believing your lies. If you truly knew the Spirit of the LORD JESUS CHRIST which is a spirit of prophecy a testament to his second coming you would never ever persecute those whom are true prophets. Knowing the scriptures is one thing. Knowing the GOD behind those scriptures and the anointing upon HIS chosen vessels is another. We are the Body of CHRIST and HE has given us Apostles and Prophets and Evangelists and teachers and pastors to lead and govern the church. If you don’t believe in prophets then seriously are you even christian? Because pastors were also in the Bible and they still are here today!!!! So are Apostles eg Apostle Maldonado. But you who persecute them actually fullfill GODs plan for the people of old always persecuted the prophets of GOD….and you wonder why you don’t get breakthrough? Its coz you believe in what you perceive the word says and not what it actually says. Read the Bible with a spirit of wisdom and understanding and then you wouldn’t even dare accuse some you’ve mentioned as false prophets. Its fine if you believe them to do so,but don’t cause others to do so because of your arrogance!

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Fabian

    Becareful to call good evil and evil good, the bible says WOE TO THOSE who call good evil and evil good. Isaiah 5:20