Johan van Wyk – Solid Rock Church With Not So Solid Advertising
Johan van Wyk’s ‘Healing’ church faces ASA wrath
Johannesburg – A Christian church is facing action from the Advertising Standards Authority (ASA) after repeatedly claiming to heal the blind, the lame, and people with HIV Aids or cancer.
This follows a complaint that the Johannesburg church, Solid Rock, is playing on the “desperation, ignorance and gullibility” of those who come to it, gathering large sums of money in the process.
The complaint, lodged in April this year by a member of the public, is not the first against the church.
The ASA has ruled on five previous occasions that Solid Rock has failed to substantiate its claims of people getting healed of diseases and broken bones, and has each time instructed the church to stop making them.
The latest complaint followed a church advertisement in the Northcliff/Melville Times saying:
“Bring the blind, the lame, Aids and cancer victims. 43 Crutches! 25 Walking sticks! 2 White canes from blind people! Already left behind!”
The ASA said the church’s pastor, Johan van Wyk, had submitted in response that the advertisement made no claims, and merely “encourages people to bring everybody. The crutches etc are hanging in its church so there is no false claim”.
In a ruling released on Tuesday, the ASA rejected this.
Unsubstantiated healing claims
“The respondent is clearly continuing to make unsubstantiated healing claims despite an instruction not to do so,” it said.
It said it was giving Solid Rock 10 days to make submissions on further sanctions.
Where an advertiser has “deliberately circumvented and/or flagrantly disregarded” the Advertising Code, the ASA may order that all future advertising be submitted for pre-publication vetting.
According to Solid Rock’s website, Van Wyk is the son of a Dutch Reformed minister who rebelled, joined a motorbike gang, and learned to live “in a very ungodly manner” before being saved.
The website includes testimonies from people who have allegedly been healed of illnesses.
One of them is headed “testimony of Aids healing”, from a person who claims to have been freed of HIV Aids through the power of the Christian god.
It is an integral part of Christian theology that it is possible for people to be miraculously healed of all sorts of diseases, and even to come back to life after being dead.
Church’s ad with crutches banned in South Africa
(AP) – 1 day ago
JOHANNESBURG – A South African church won’t be allowed to show crutches or canes in its advertisements after some said it was making false claims of being able to heal people.
The church, which calls itself the Solid Rock Church of Miracles, says its display of discarded crutches and canes encourages ill and disabled people to join its congregation.
But others have complained that the ads are misleading, and South Africa’s main advertising complaints body said Wednesday it is banning the ads.
Leon Grobler, the advertising body’s disputes resolution manager, said the church is now being asked to provide more information.
Revivalist and healing churches have flourished in impoverished communities of southern Africa.
ABOUT THE PASTOR: Johan & Marinda van Wyk
For the first few years of his life, Johan grew up in a parsonage as his father was a Dutch Reformed minister. His parents nicknamed him “Cowboy” and he lived up to this name, believing that he was born to be wild!
While at school he loved sport, motorbikes and of course girls. He played first team rugby, and did well in athletics and tennis.
After a religious upbringing he rebelled after school – becoming a rebel without a cause. He moved to Hillbrow where he roamed the streets, spending most of his time in the discotheques. He joined a motorbike gang called “The Barbarians”, and this is where he learned to live in a very ungodly manner.
After getting saved and baptized with the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in other tongues in 1981, he fell in love with Jesus and immediately started evangelizing, doing deliverance and getting people filled with the Holy Spirit. HE WAS NOW A REBEL WITH A CAUSE, rebelling against the devil, dead religious Christianity and traditions. [DTW note: He fell inlove with Jesus after he was baptised. Biblically it’s the other way around: You love Jesus therefore you want to be baptised. Baptism with evidence in speaking in Tongues is not biblical. See article here on Speaking in Tongues. http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/07/18/speaking-in-tongues Also what exaclty is DEAD religious Christianity? Does he mean Biblical Christianity? Must be, that is why his new Christianity does not resemble anything from the Bible]
He finished two years of Bible School at Rhema Bible Training Centre in 1991 and in 1992 he was ordained as an IFCC minister. He started a church in Westdene called WORLD OUTREACH CENTRE. After two years the church developed into a ministry instead of a church. Johan then ministered in America, Swaziland, Gazankhulu, Venda, Durban, Ladysmith and Cape Town. He also ministered in Boksburg Maximum Security prison for two years, as well as Townships like Soweto, Alexandra, Diepsloot and many other places.
On 21 March 1998 he got married to Marinda van Wyk. Marinda originates from Cape Town. As Johan, she also got born again in 1981. After school she decided to spend a few years in academia and obtained the degrees BComm, BComm Honours, and MComm cum laude. She started her career as a training and development specialist, moved to Johannesburg and then also did her doctorate in Industrial Psychology. Currently she is a Human Resources Manager at a Financial Services Institution. She grew up quite differently from Johan, but God’s timing was perfect when he brought the two of them together. Subsequently Marinda also completed the Diploma in Christian Counselling at Rhema Bible School and also taught at Rhema’s Healing School in 2000 and 2001.
On 7 February 2002 Johan started with meetings called “THE GATHERING OF THE DANGEROUS” which later developed into this Church called SOLID ROCK (The Church on Fire) – officially launched on 5 October 2002. [DTW note: The gatherting of the Dangerous? No where does the Bible says that Christians are dangerous. It does say: Galatians 5:22-23; “22But the fruit of the [Holy] Spirit [the work which His presence within accomplishes] is love, joy (gladness), peace, patience (an even temper, forbearance), kindness, goodness (benevolence), faithfulness,23Gentleness (meekness, humility), self-control (self-restraint, continence). Against such things there is no law [that can bring a charge].”]
This has now become a pace-setting Church on the cutting edge of what GOD is doing worldwide. [DTW note: Oh another pace-setting church, just like Kobus van Rensburgs. God is doing nothing new worldwide. Ecclesiastes 1:9 ” What has been is what will be, and what has been done is what will be done, and there is nothing new under the sun.” Satan is hoever working over time using many NEW things, gathering souls by the millions daily through churches such as this.]
Matthew 28:18-20, “And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”
Raising the Standard of Christian Living by:
* Operating in the “Greater Works”, miracles, signs and wonders, deliverance and whatever else the Lord called us to do. [It’s really annoying when people twist scripture. The ‘Greater Works” Jesus was referring too in the Bible was in regard to the speading of the Gospel – going out and reaching nations (something that Jesus did not do as He only preached in certain areas). If anyone thinks they can be greater than Jesus Christ then they should think about the time when Jesus was tempted in the desert, where Satan came along and offered to give Jesus that which He always owned. Blasphemy and woe to those who would want to lift their toe one cenitmeter higher than Jesus Christs.]
* Developing a more intimate relationship with our Father through our relationship with the Holy Spirit, whom our Lord and Saviour Jesus has given us access to. [DTW note: Jesus has given them access to the Holy Spirit? Clearly they do not understand how the Holy Spirit works. The Holy Spirit abides in Christians, He does not hang outside Christians in the atmosphere waiting for His next command to perform a miracle.]
* Loosening the bonds of wickedness by the anointing of Christ. [Oh another twisted scripture]
* Being led by the Holy Spirit in everything and at all times. [I suppose if you are following a false Holy Spirit then they are telling the truth, otherwise they are lying, for if they did obey the Holy Spirit they would not be preaching another gospel.]
* Making true disciples of men.
* Caring for the individual: spirit, soul and body.
Isaiah 52:7, “How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of him that brings good tidings, that publishes peace; that brings good tidings of good, that publishes salvation; that say unto Zion, Thy God reigns!”
Habakkuk 2:2, “And the LORD answered me, and said, Write the vision, and make it plain upon tables, that he may run that read it.”
Raising the Standard of Christian Living [I have never heard such a load of nonsense in all my life. Genuine Christians do not need to be taught on ‘raising the standard’ for the Holy Spirit abides in them and with genuine Salvation comes repentance and a changing of ways. Again can I say I have never heard such a load of rubbish in all my life. I suppose if you are not saved you will need to set goals on how to live a good life, and you will used your own flesh to try abide by them – which means they will never be achieved. Now the commandment from the 10 commandments, Thou Shalt Not Lie is something that ROCK CHURCH needs to be held accountable for.]
Luke 4: 18-19 : The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because He has anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; He has sent me to heal the broken-hearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, to preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
-Being on the cutting edge of where the Holy Spirit is leading and what the Lord expects from the Final (John the Baptist) Generation [DTW note: Oh the John the Baptist Generation – where have I heard this before – this is another name for Joel’s Army]
-Reaching our full potential as individuals in our gift and callings and corporately as the body, having the Lord manifest himself so that the earth is filled with His glory [DTW note: This is Latter Rain, Manifest Sons of God teaching. They are building a kingdom on earth, awaiting THE CHRIST (anti-Christ) to show up. Anyone who is not in accordance with their beliefs by then need to be removed].
-Revival: Having the Sons of GOD revealed and the Bride prepared for His coming.
[DTW note: Sons of God revealed and the Bride? There are 2? That’s news to me.]
[Here is more about SOLID ROCK CHURCH OF MIRACLES
“Raising the Standard of Christian Living. This blog is for men and women of God that want to break out of religion and experience and walk in the great power of God, healing the sick, raising the dead, and setting the captives free! http://churchofmiracles.blogspot.com WARNING PLEASE VIEW SOLID ROCK CHURCH WEBSITE WITH BIBLICAL DISCERNMENT.]
2 Peter 2:1 (Amplified Bible)
1BUT ALSO [in those days] there arose false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among yourselves, who will subtly and stealthily introduce heretical doctrines (destructive heresies), even denying and disowning the Master Who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction.
A testimony from SOLID ROCK CHURCH from a person who was healed from AIDS.
Testimony of Aids healing
Hello, Pastor! I greet you in the most wonderful name of Jesus Christ. I was so glad to hear from you and surely was blessed. Before everything, I would like to briefly give my testimony to you.
Long before God adopted me in His family, I did many things, bad and evil, the world could offer. I married and had one child who was discovered born with HIV/AIDS virus and later died. After that we decided to go to the mountain in the forests seeking God for our healing, where we stayed for six months.
It wasn’t easy for us to be in the forests seeking God’s face, for six months without His grace. But in the sixth month, Heaven was open and God spoke to us that He’s healing and miraculous power to demonstrate unto the dying world that is swinging into space without hope.
Therefore, we went down for HIV test, made it, showed that we were extremely made whole (HIV negative), we’ve been traveling around the globe and seen God’s power mightily manifested in such marvelous ways.
It is my prayer to God that we meet. I’ll let you know everything about my healing, and will show you the HIV tests I had from different hospitals. I am telling you, let the South Africans get prepared for God’s power explosion. Look forward to hearing from you.
See below article for ministry called 220 Generation run by a Youth pastor Ivan Viljoen who quotes Johan van Wyk. Go look for the Quote of the Year – It’s guaranteed a laugh and a half. http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/07/23/the-fires-of-hell-burn-bright-for-220genergation/
Here is a video of Kobus van Rensburg from Spirit Word Ministries who uses ‘healing’ as a way to bring people to his church so he can take their well earned money.
Another unverifyable healing of a women who supposedly had AIDS.
See all articles on Kobus van Rensburg
I know you will delete this but I will tell u anyway cos you are really stupid – ‘building a kingdom waiting for christ to show up (anti-christ)’ dont you know He has already showed up, He is being manifested in the beleivers. You can tear the page out of your bible that says we are to come forth in the image of christ – the full stature, full measure cos it doesnt apply to you – in fact tear out half of the new testament cos you are not walking in Christ. You people should get lives – try the Christ life – it has certainly worked for me. I will pray for you guys – stop being so pathetic – you honestly have way too much time on your hands to create rubbish like this – we also have a church with miracles and no asa (hole) will stop me advertising what God is doing – asa is not above God and neither are you.
Noooooo Dominique/Pastor Debbie you are kidding me. Oh my goodness Pastor Debbie aka Dominique what are you saying?
How can you tell people to tear out pages from their Bibles that is not good.
Pastor Debbie aka Dominique since when have you the authority to say what and what does not apply to us?
Yikes talking about APOSTASY from Pastor Debbie aka Dominque.
How would you know ooohhh but I forgot you are the Christ Pastor Debbie aka Dominque. You said this in another thread as far as I can remember.
Not the life you have surely I just see Apostasy and false teachings there.
Yeah you betha cause your are Imortal and getting younger is it? as you also said on another thread.
You like to insult people do Pastors usually do this kind of thing and then you offer to pray for us? I smell a rat here eeeuuuuwwww
Well If you want to call Discernment rubbish it is your problem not ours. Read your Bible and ask for forgiveness of your sins and pray for mercy.
Oh yes we know yes ? You seem to do funny wierd things at that church. You know it is called APOSTASY what you are preaching. But you said this already else where I think you said this: God is using us in a church where we have signs, wonders and miracles following the Word – which is undiluted, uncompromised -TRUTH. If you need healing in any area in your life then please visit us. God will touch you………………………………………..let the asa try and stop me – I stand up for Jesus before man – He stands up for me before the angels.
We never claimed to be so stop the lies please.
Oh I forgot to say oh my oh my but you can make claims like you are the Christ wow Pastor Debbie aka Dominique
You certainly cannot claim to be immortal yet while here on earth as God Alone makes the descision who will have eternal life hereafter we must all apear before the Judgement seat of God one day .
1 John 4:1-3 (Amplified Bible)
1BELOVED, DO not put faith in every spirit, but prove (test) the spirits to discover whether they proceed from God; for many false prophets have gone forth into the world.
2By this you may know (perceive and recognize) the Spirit of God: every spirit which acknowledges and confesses [the fact] that Jesus Christ (the Messiah) [actually] has become man and has come in the flesh is of God [has God for its source];
3And every spirit which does not acknowledge and confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh [but would [a]annul, destroy, [b]sever, disunite Him] is not of God [does not proceed from Him]. This [[c]nonconfession] is the [spirit] of the antichrist, [of] which you heard that it was coming, and now it is already in the world.
The following comments by Dominque aka Debbie aka Pastor Debbie and Jo-Ann, Tessa and Margaret. It is just so sad that people are blinded by deceipt and choose fleshly things above the truth. But this is typical of what is taught by the False churches who mainly teach Dominion now and Prosperity theology. It just numbs me that people like Kobus van Rensburg teaches Bible and Imortality , as claimed by Debbie. We are commanded to teach the Word of God only. Yes People like Debbie aka Dominique , Jo-Ann, Tessa and Margaret have fallen for these false teachings. So sad and we can only pray for their eyes to open and ears to hear.
This is what was said by Dominque aka Debbie aka Pastor Debbie and Jo-Ann, Tessa and Margaret :
The following was said here :
This is to show how people can be mislead by False Pastors/Preachers/ Prophets and teachers. They are so blinded by false teachers that they will make the most ludicrous claims.
When I read the following scripture I could not help to think things will not get easier it is already worsening by the day.
These type of places are also becoming more en more common and they all claim to be non denominational.
WOW – blasphemy!
South Africa: E.tv in Hot Water
3 August 2010
The Treatment Action Campaign (TAC) has accused e.tv of promoting quackery by airing a weekly 30-minute church paid-for advertorial in which a pastor claims he is able to heal several life-threatening diseases, including HIV/Aids. </b.
Quackery loosely describes the promotion of unproven medical practices.
The TAC alleges that two people died after attending a healing session at the Christ Embassy church in Joburg, where they were supposedly “cured” of HIV and XDR TB.
The two allegedly attended the faith healing sessions at different times and were apparently told to stop using their ARV treatment because God had healed them.
Their doctor, Graeme Meintjes, said on Monday: “The patients were on treatment before they attended the Christ Embassy healing session and were doing extremely well.”
Meintjes said that when he saw the woman a year later, she hadn’t taken her medication and had advanced Aids.
TAC treasurer Nathan Geffen said religious organisations played a critical role in the fight against HIV/Aids and TB, but this was not the case with Christ Embassy.
“E.tv is promoting quackery by airing Christ Embassy’s commercial at 7.30am on Sundays,” said Geffen.
Geffen said that by claiming to heal life-threatening conditions, the church led people to believe they no longer needed to take their tablets or seek appropriate medical care.
“E.tv’s 3rd Degree has been outspoken against Aids quackery and denialism, so it is disappointing.”
But the free-to-air channel says the programme, Higher Life, which is produced by Christ Embassy, will not be pulled. E.tv spokesperson Vasili Vass said the programme was an advertiser-funded show.
“While individuals and organisations may not agree with the content of the show, it must be acknowledged that millions of people around the world believe that faith plays a role in healing,” said Vass.
“E.tv strictly adheres to the advertising standards and broadcast regulations by which we are governed, and in the event that there is a ruling against any programme or advertisement by the Broadcasting Complaints Commission of South Africa (BCCSA) and the Advertising Standards Authority of South Africa (ASASA), e.tv will comply with such ruling.
“As yet, no such finding has been made against Higher Life.” Vass said the station would continue airing the show, but with disclaimers before, during and after to inform viewers that it was an advertiser-funded programme.
The TAC lodged a complaint with ASASA in November. Under the advertising code, ads cannot make unfounded claims about treating or curing a disease, but ASASA ruled that the content was sponsored programming and not an advertisement, and therefore it did not hold jurisdiction over its content.
The TAC is appealing the ruling. Geffen said the TAC had contacted the church, but no resolution had been reached.
Christ Embassy directors were not available for comment.
And then I found this about Christ Embassy – Rev. Chris Oyakhilome. Hmmmm another T B Joshua type.
Please read with discernment.
Need I say more ………….
What’s with all the different bank account details on Solid Rock’s website, including Johan’s personal savings account? If that doesn’t ring alarm bells, then I don’t know what will. If they are really able to heal the sick, then why in God’s name, ask for money? I always thought Christianity was a humble and charitable religion.
I wish every single person who comes across Johan van Wyk’s website and church asks the exact same questions you do. That means they are thinking and the end result would be that they have thought twice and put on their running shoes and make a b-line away from this fraud.
Johan van Wyk makes a mockery of Jesus Christ.
I am very shocked to hear and read the articles written above, the blatant attacks on this man personally is not fair and just, Jesus Himself warned us that we will be persecuted by the world because He himself was persecuted and murdered for nothing but His innocence, innocence that sets us free by his blood today! I do agree that we must test the spirits by the word, but i cannot as yet find fault with this man or what he is doing, I would like to ask you what are your fruit and what are you doing for the kingdom? If you wish to bash this man for taking a offering i suggest you remove all the scriptures in the Bible that reffer to tithing and offerings as well stop the all the churches from taking any money what so ever from their parisioners, that includes the roman catholic church, NG kerk which by the way comes and collects your money every month ( where the bible tells us to bring our offerings) including each and every other church, even the Muslems give money to their churches for the work of God what is so wrong with this man? Because there are healings? Has the spirit of God changed so much that He is now today less than a God and father to his children that he cannot heal anymore or have we as people forgotten the awsome power of who He is and claim heracy or whichcraft any time there is a miraculous healing or is it now only Satan who can heal???? If there is a Satan who can do awsome things including scaring people making them rich and healing people, There must be A God in Heaven wanting to bless and heal His people??? I do wish to warn you If this is an annointed man of God and i do believe at this stage that He is just that, The scripture warns us by saying and i kwote ” EVEN THOUGH HE REBUKED KINGS FOR THEIR SAKES HE SAID TOUCH NOT MY ANNOINTED AND DO MY PROPHET NO HARM” Be carefull what you do and say against children of God i beg you. I believe in the blood of Jesus Christ That he died for my sins and paid with His blood for every curse and sickness, I believe He heals people who ask and some times He chooses not to But it is his will. We will never fully understand every thing but that is what faith is for. I will be praying for you, that you will fully get to know the King of kings that you will learn to grasp his fullness and joy and total Love for you even as you wield the wip of religion and persecution Jesus also died for you, remember that it was not unbelievers who crucified Jesus but the religeous leaders of the church of that day because they refused to agknowlage Him as the son of God, Which He is was and will be untill He comes again to fech His Children as the scriptures warn us that that day will come, that the Hour is near.
Wake up, the man is a fraud. Jesus warned us that there will be MANY false prophets that will rise and deceive little people like you.
Really, tell me how do you do this, I’m interested to know.
No Caroline, this is about LYING that he heals people and places false advertising.
No, Caroline, God heals today, but not through the hands of a conman.
Are you saying John van Wyk is Christ? Annointed means Christ. You say you test the spirits, again I ask HOW do you do this!
Becareful who you follow, a man or Jesus Christ. It seems right now you choose Johan over Jesus Christ.
DONT SPEAK AGAINST THE ANOINTED OF GOD. THE ANOINTED NEED NOT DEFEND THEMSELVES, AS GOD WILL DEFEAND AND THEM. THERE IS A THIN LINE BETWEEN DISCERNMENT AND JUDGMENTAL. RATHER PRAY THAT GOD PUT A GAURD INFRONT OF YOUR MOUTH, MAKING YOU QUICK TO HEAR AND SLOW TO ANGER. PROVOKING THE PUBLIC FOR A RESPONSE IS NEITHER PART OF THE FRUITS OF THE SPIRIT. PRAY FOR YOUR ENEMIES AND BLESS THEM. DONT JUDGE THEM. LEAD BY EXAMPLE DONT FUEL YOUR SHORTCOMMINGS BY PLACING THE SPOTLIGHT ON THE ANOINTED. MY PRAYER: FATHER IN THE MIGHTY NAME OF JESUS CHRIST I ASK THAT YOU WILL EXPOSE THE TRUTH. AND THAT NO WEAPON FORMED AGAINST YOUR ANOINTED AND APPOINTED CHILDREN WILL STAND, AND THAT FATHER YOU PROTECT YOUR ANOINTED AND APPOINTED CHILDREN. THAT ALL DECEIPT, AND LIES AND MALICE AND VEXACIOUS INTENTIONS AND PLANS OF THE ENEMY BE CUT OFF IN JESUS CHRIST HOLY NAME.
Yes, God is currently exposing the lies and deceit and John van Wyk.
How come most false prophets always claim to be “Anointed by God” ………… (just a thought)
Good morning Pastor van Wyk,
I believe in healing. I have a very large lump in my right breast and would appreciate you praying for me. Thank you.
My contact details.
[EDITED: Contact details removed]
I have a better solution for you. There is this man, His name is JESUS CHRIST, the Son of God. You can go to Him directly in prayer and ask Him for healing. Before you do that, please read this:
I actually attended two services at Solid Rock. Johan seemed like a wizard to me with his long grey hair. He came across as a full on deliverance freak. Also attempted to heal two people with no luck. He even went so far as to pull the old “one leg is shorter than the other” healing trick. This is a common healing deception in which the healer tells the person you have one shorter leg that the other. It is an easy trick to pull off because you make the person sit down and stretch out there legs onto another chair. Its very likely that depending on the angle of the hips that one leg may seem shorter than the other. So when the healer goes about healing them, he simply wiggles the leg a bit and it appears to grow. He was so confident about this trick that he actually made the camera man focus on the guys legs as he grabbed the feet and wiggled them slightly and the leg appeared to lengthen as he maneuvered it. At the time I cold see right through it and was familiar with this tactic. While on the other hand the other person he attempted to heal had a back problem, so he didnt bother calling the camera guy for that one. Needles to say,that guy confirmed that he was not infact healed and that his back was still in pain. What a joke. Whats even more sick is I had been invited to the church by a girl I was very interested in. She was very attractive. At the end of the service the pastor wouldnt stop chatting to her at the door. He totally ignored me and I was standing with her. I also later learned that as a brand new Christian she was very influenced by Johan, he and his wife even influenced major decisions in her life like her marriage partner. She eventually married some guy based on their influence. She hadnt known the guy for long as I had kindof dated her a few months prior to that. It sickened me to see her dating another guy. She told me that her pastor told her that they had better get married. Its a sick sick world.I wonder where she is today and what condition she must be in. Especially considering she was a drug addict not so long before getting saved.
What do you expect coming out of Rhema Bible college. I have only seen trash come out of there like that chop in bloemfontein I forget his name. Rhema bible college largely teaches from Kenneth Hagin who is known as the father of the faith movement. They call him Daddy Hagin in Rhema leadership circles. But actually Kenyon is the father of the faith movement. Rhema is a Kenneth Hagin franchise, allthough I’m not sure anymore after Ray and Lindies public spectacle of a divorce. How do I know this, well I was at Rhema for most of my life. I have the 3 year bible correspondence course in big box at home (which I should burn but I keep it as evidence). 80% of it is Kenneth Hagin books. What a great way to launch new ministers into ministry by giving them teaching based on a guy who claims God showed him stuff in dreams and visions. Guys we have to wake up and very fast. We are being caught off guard at almost every corner. Havent you noticed there are new churches popping up all over the place. Where do the ministers of these so called churches get their qualifications from? Many of them are independent self appointed ministers who often go straight into ministry without any official training in theology. I’m sure many of them don’t purpose to deceive or dont do it knowingly. They are simply ignorant themselves and are just echoing what they have been taught or understand as truth. Few have actually taken 7 years to study theology and or hebrew or greek. Many may have a gift or calling but they attempt to just go for it without being mature enough in the word. Ray McCauly simply went to study at rhema bible college in the states under Kenneth Hagin. Must have been a 2 or 3 year course and probably consisted largely of Kenneths teachings. Ray was then ordained a minister and given the keys to the franchise so to speak. Theres no doubt Ray has a gift of some kind, perhaps even an evangelical gift but unfortunately deception came in.
Wow. Well that’s a story and a half. My goodness.
It is really interesting to note the arrays of criticisms levied against the men of God in your column. As The High Priest, it is my duty to put some truths clear for the benefit of your teeming readers.
I have never been to Pastors Chris Oyakhilome, TB Joshua and van Rensburg but I have worshipped severally at The Solid Rock Church. There are very pertinent questions which the writers of the threads on your site failed to address; are you sure the ASA is not sponsored by the Medical Association? Most of the testifiers to the Power of God came from the hospitals. At Solid Rock, I was present when a Medical Doctor gave a testimony to healing. Nurses and their patients have been healed of sicknesses that defiled medical procedures. Though some sicknesses my assume medical looks, not all of them are medical problems; majority are spiritual, we only see the physical part of it. This explains why some do not respond to medical treatment till the spiritual part has been handled.
At TB Joshuas’, cancer of different types have been healed. Pregnant women previously booked for caesarean births have been delivered without a knife. Meanwhile, there are doctors working at the emergency section of the Synagogue Church. Why don’t you take a trip there and see things for yourself. There are things people can fake but a physical wound cannot be faked. What about the HIV/AIDS medical reports before and after the healing encounter from the testifiers? Are you saying that several hospitals gave fake reports against themselves over one patient? HEALINGS ARE REAL. People who received divine healing at Solid Rock left their crutches behind to prove that medical science had managed them longer than they wanted but God healed them.
Johann van Wyk lived a rascally life for some time. Yes. But he is a fully repented and Holy Ghost filled Minister of the Gospel – tested and proven. If other drug addicts and alcoholics can choose this path, Hallelujah. It also looks like your articles are sponsored by the manufacturers of these destructive substances. Why are you accusing Johann of ‘playing on the “desperation, ignorance and gullibility” of those who come to it, gathering large sums of money in the process’? At Solid Rock, there is only one session for offerings and those who have do give. There are no consultation fees. No cards. No compulsory payments of any kind. What monies are you talking about? All the churches depend on benevolent offerings and donations which are never compulsory.
It seems the newspapers make more advertising money from the producers of the drugs, alcohol and tobacco products damning and destroying the people while the church delivers the same people from the bondages of these substances. Of course, the other party is not happy and this other party is supported by the news media. Unfortunately, the owners of the news media have their children on the drug lanes and many of these owners are on drugs and alcohol.
Any form of Christianity without a positive impact on the lifes of the people and the community is DEAD. Any church that cannot preach against and / or change the drug addicts, alcoholics, treasury looters, rapist, ritualists, murderers, assassins, armed robbers, etc through the power of the Gospel of Christ, is a dead church. The Kingdom of God is not in words only but a demonstration of the Power of God. If you preach the word and there are no signs following as a confirmation, go back and ask God to fully furnish and equip you.
It would be good if Christians can unite and share in the gifts and callings of each other instead of going at each others throat.
Annie Rossouw (19 August, 2010 at 1:45 pm ) What’s with all the different bank account details on Solid Rock’s website, including Johan’s personal savings account? If that doesn’t ring alarm bells, then I don’t know what will. If they are really able to heal the sick, then why in God’s name, ask for money? I always thought Christianity was a humble and charitable religion. Dear Annie and Deborah (DTW), there is the need for people to support the Man of God and the Work of God. For the different bank accounts, some donors send money to different ministries for specific purposes. You may want to send money to Johan as a preacher or to the church for any of its programmes. These different accounts are to avoid mix-ups. The church doesn’t ask for money before healing but support from people who want to see the programme continue on different broadcast media including outreaches. If there is a mix-up with the funds, people like yourself who are acclaimed educated management professionals would blast the church for not separating personal account from church account.
Kevin (24 November, 2010 at 12:58 pm ) I actually attended two services at Solid Rock. Johan seemed like a wizard to me with his long grey hair. He came across as a full on deliverance freak. Also attempted to heal two people with no luck……. What’s even more sick is I had been invited to the church by a girl I was very interested in. She was very attractive. At the end of the service the pastor wouldnt stop chatting to her at the door. He totally ignored me and I was standing with her. I also later learned that as a brand new Christian she was very influenced by Johan, he and his wife even influenced major decisions in her life like her marriage partner. She eventually married some guy based on their influence. She hadnt known the guy for long as I had kindof dated her a few months prior to that. It sickened me to see her dating another guy. She told me that her pastor told her that they had better get married. Its a sick sick world.I wonder where she is today and what condition she must be in. Especially considering she was a drug addict not so long before getting saved. Dear Kevin, I can feel your pain, rejection and annoyance. Coming from someone whose girl left with another guy couldn’t have been milder than you did. Johann’s hair is long but not grey. I thought Johann took your wife or slept with her. Your ex was preached to and she saw the difference between you and the next guy. Did Johan introduce her to the other guy? Why blame him for the departure of your girl? The Pastor and his wife only preached and counseled but the counselee has the final say; it wasn’t a forceful encounter. Did you ever consider what the girl wanted in her life? Are you sure you were not re-introducing her to drugs? I do not expect a believer to marry a non-believer to avoid conflict of beliefs. If you missed that one, there is still another girl for you to find. She was blessed to have two gentlemen to choose from. Please take heart and move on.
Healing is not a gamble or luck-dependent game like lotto. Did Jesus heal all the sick people in His day? NO. In every programme, many are called but God knows those who truly want to be healed separated from those who want to mock Him. Many people come out for healing but their bag of charms are not discarded. If such are healed on the spot, they would attribute their healing to their charms. They only see God as a tool for healing and not the Creator, to be worshipped above all else.
Kevin (24 November, 2010 at 1:23 pm ) What do you expect coming out of Rhema Bible college. I have only seen trash come out of there like that chop in bloemfontein I forget his name……How do I know this, well I was at Rhema for most of my life. I have the 3 year bible correspondence course in big box at home (which I should burn but I keep it as evidence)…..Dear Kevin, God loves you so much but you are busy killing yourself with anger, bitterness and unforgivenness of yourself and others. You pass-off to me as an intelligent person eager to learn more but you never really asked yourself if your studies would fill the void in your life. You mostly listen to what you want to hear which most often are far from what you really need to hear. You are hurting from another direction; perhaps you expected your membership of some organisation to fill the void instead of God. Your write-up shows different aspects of you and the confusion you are suffering.
1. only trash comes from Rhema. Do you mean you were part of that trash for so long? So blind? Those who came out to start another ministry are criticised by you; those who remain are criticized by you. But you have done anything to correct their trash by setting up the real thing.
2. for the 3year Bible course, did someone forced you? Attending a Bible School is not a guaranty of the Anointing. For you to be prepared for the work, you need to go back to Christ and receive the promise of the Father. You need the Anointing of the Holy Ghost and Power – not the politics of your church. You don’t need a degree in theology before you can function in your calling but some training is needful. You, unfortunately joined the wrong political class of your church because you trusted the system in direct rejection of God. You played church for too long. You created enemies for yourself within the church. You lost much along the line. But you are blessed to have survived because many have perished in the game. Contact me on [email removed] and I would help you spiritually if you really want to recover what the enemy stole from you.
3. Where do the ministers of these so called churches get their qualifications from? They obtain from the same or similar schools you attended except that they joined the political groups you didn’t join hence their ordination. The real ones get their qualification from The Father, Son and Holy Spirit. The later is what you need. Apostle Paul had the Judaism training but when he had the Damascus Road encounter, he obtained the real training and empowerment. If the churches pop-up every corner, then the Word is brought nearer to the people. They do not have to labour to attend church like you used to cover kilometers to be in church just because you worshipped the church. In truth, we need more churches so we can fulfill the scriptures and reach all the earth. If there are many more churches, any pastor that messes around in any way would know that people will migrate to the next church by the corner. Did Kenneth Hagin teach the truth? If Yes, what’s wrong with extending it?
I still love you despite…
The High Priest.
The High Priest.
What blasphemy to call yourself ‘The High Priest’ Jesus Christ is The High Priest!
TB Joshua is a satanic High Priest. A crypto satan worshiper – thats all of the storry.
i hate the way some people talk so freely about “men of God”. Anyway, who are you to judge? what if you are proved wrong on the last day? have you considered the consequences of that?
“men of God”? that will be the day.
This is mental and spiritual sickness…severe delusions of grandeur and pride of the worst proportions…a high priest???
Deb’s it is hopeless to reason with these nutters…you can only pray for them because they are sick and bound by self-centredness and Satan…it sounds very unkind to say this but this self-delusion and extreme pride. Only Satan sets himself up elevated and puffs up and deceives. They cannot see the truth because they do not want to…they also have a defense weapon when confronted…”do not judge”. Of course we must discern and judge if it is blatantly unscriptural and against the Word of God.
To be born-again,redeemed,converted you have to die to self and completely deny your old ways and confess your sins and unworthiness and come to the Lord Jesus Christ and acknowledge His sacrifice on the cross at Calvary for you sinfullness and lost state and ask Him to take away your sins and change you into the person He wants you to be. As John the Baptist said…He must increase but I must decrease…John 3:30
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Please test test test the spirits! The great deception today is the apostacy of the church and their doctrines like slain\drunk in the spirit or the fire fire fire technique which is not even biblical or “God will bless you if you give to this ministry” (Manipulation & Mind control) including TBN (Benny Hinn, Kobus van Rensburg, Rick Joiner, Tod Bentley, Kenneth Hagan, Copeland, Rod Parsley, Rick Warren, Joyce Meyer, TD Jakes, TB Joshua, Patricia King exposed) cause believers to stumble and unbelievers to run away! Its a discrace because they are like an infection! Well we all know what God has to say about that don’t we? Mark 9:42
Agreed. I have explained this FIRE in this article: Deon Hockey – Bringing the Toronto Blessing ‘Fire Serpent’ to a Church Near You: http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2011/09/12/deon-hockey-bringing-the-toronto-blessing-fire-serpent-to-a-church-near-you/