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Johan van Wyk – Solid Rock Church With Not So Solid Advertising

Johan van Wyk - Solid Rock Church With Not So Solid Advertising

Johan van WykJohan van Wyk’s ‘Healing’ church faces ASA wrath

Johannesburg – A Christian church is facing action from the Advertising Standards Authority (ASA) after repeatedly claiming to heal the blind, the lame, and people with HIV Aids or cancer.

This follows a complaint that the Johannesburg church, Solid Rock, is playing on the “desperation, ignorance and gullibility” of those who come to it, gathering large sums of money in the process.

The complaint, lodged in April this year by a member of the public, is not the first against the church.

The ASA has ruled on five previous occasions that Solid Rock has failed to substantiate its claims of people getting healed of diseases and broken bones, and has each time instructed the church to stop making them.

The latest complaint followed a church advertisement in the Northcliff/Melville Times saying:

“Bring the blind, the lame, Aids and cancer victims. 43 Crutches! 25 Walking sticks! 2 White canes from blind people! Already left behind!”

The ASA said the church’s pastor, Johan van Wyk, had submitted in response that the advertisement made no claims, and merely “encourages people to bring everybody. The crutches etc are hanging in its church so there is no false claim”.

In a ruling released on Tuesday, the ASA rejected this.

Unsubstantiated healing claims

“The respondent is clearly continuing to make unsubstantiated healing claims despite an instruction not to do so,” it said.

It said it was giving Solid Rock 10 days to make submissions on further sanctions.

Where an advertiser has “deliberately circumvented and/or flagrantly disregarded” the Advertising Code, the ASA may order that all future advertising be submitted for pre-publication vetting.

According to Solid Rock’s website, Van Wyk is the son of a Dutch Reformed minister who rebelled, joined a motorbike gang, and learned to live “in a very ungodly manner” before being saved.

The website includes testimonies from people who have allegedly been healed of illnesses.

One of them is headed “testimony of Aids healing”, from a person who claims to have been freed of HIV Aids through the power of the Christian god.

It is an integral part of Christian theology that it is possible for people to be miraculously healed of all sorts of diseases, and even to come back to life after being dead.

– SAPA

Source: http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/Healing-church-faces-ASA-wrath-20100720

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Church’s ad with crutches banned in South Africa

(AP) – 1 day ago

JOHANNESBURG — A South African church won’t be allowed to show crutches or canes in its advertisements after some said it was making false claims of being able to heal people.

The church, which calls itself the Solid Rock Church of Miracles, says its display of discarded crutches and canes encourages ill and disabled people to join its congregation.

But others have complained that the ads are misleading, and South Africa’s main advertising complaints body said Wednesday it is banning the ads.

Leon Grobler, the advertising body’s disputes resolution manager, said the church is now being asked to provide more information.

Revivalist and healing churches have flourished in impoverished communities of southern Africa.

Source:

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ABOUT THE PASTOR:   Johan & Marinda van Wyk

For the first few years of his life, Johan grew up in a parsonage as his father was a Dutch Reformed minister. His parents nicknamed him “Cowboy” and he lived up to this name, believing that he was born to be wild!

While at school he loved sport, motorbikes and of course girls. He played first team rugby, and did well in athletics and tennis.

After a religious upbringing he rebelled after school – becoming a rebel without a cause. He moved to Hillbrow where he roamed the streets, spending most of his time in the discotheques. He joined a motorbike gang called “The Barbarians”, and this is where he learned to live in a very ungodly manner.

After getting saved and baptized with the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in other tongues in 1981, he fell in love with Jesus and immediately started evangelizing, doing deliverance and getting people filled with the Holy Spirit. HE WAS NOW A REBEL WITH A CAUSE, rebelling against the devil, dead religious Christianity and traditions.  [DTW note:  He fell inlove with Jesus after he was baptised.  Biblically it’s the other way around:  You love Jesus therefore you want to be baptised.  Baptism with evidence in speaking in Tongues is not biblical.  See article here on Speaking in Tongues.  http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/07/18/speaking-in-tongues Also what exaclty is DEAD religious Christianity?   Does he mean Biblical Christianity?  Must be, that is why his new Christianity does not resemble anything from the Bible]

He finished two years of Bible School at Rhema Bible Training Centre in 1991 and in 1992 he was ordained as an IFCC minister. He started a church in Westdene called WORLD OUTREACH CENTRE. After two years the church developed into a ministry instead of a church. Johan then ministered in America, Swaziland, Gazankhulu, Venda, Durban, Ladysmith and Cape Town. He also ministered in Boksburg Maximum Security prison for two years, as well as Townships like Soweto, Alexandra, Diepsloot and many other places.

On 21 March 1998 he got married to Marinda van Wyk. Marinda originates from Cape Town. As Johan, she also got born again in 1981. After school she decided to spend a few years in academia and obtained the degrees BComm, BComm Honours, and MComm cum laude. She started her career as a training and development specialist, moved to Johannesburg and then also did her doctorate in Industrial Psychology. Currently she is a Human Resources Manager at a Financial Services Institution. She grew up quite differently from Johan, but God’s timing was perfect when he brought the two of them together. Subsequently Marinda also completed the Diploma in Christian Counselling at Rhema Bible School and also taught at Rhema’s Healing School in 2000 and 2001.

On 7 February 2002 Johan started with meetings called “THE GATHERING OF THE DANGEROUS” which later developed into this Church called SOLID ROCK (The Church on Fire) – officially launched on 5 October 2002.   [DTW note:  The gatherting of the Dangerous?  No where does the Bible says that Christians are dangerous.  It does say:   Galatians 5:22-23;   “22But the fruit of the [Holy] Spirit [the work which His presence within accomplishes] is love, joy (gladness), peace, patience (an even temper, forbearance), kindness, goodness (benevolence), faithfulness,23Gentleness (meekness, humility), self-control (self-restraint, continence). Against such things there is no law [that can bring a charge].”]

This has now become a pace-setting Church on the cutting edge of what GOD is doing worldwide.  [DTW note:  Oh another pace-setting church, just like Kobus van Rensburgs.  God is doing nothing new worldwide.    Ecclesiastes 1:9   ” What has been is what will be,  and what has been done is what will be done, and there is nothing new under the sun.” Satan is hoever working over time using many NEW things, gathering souls by the millions daily through churches such as this.]

MISSION

Matthew 28:18-20, “And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”

Raising the Standard of Christian Living by:

* Operating in the “Greater Works”, miracles, signs and wonders, deliverance and whatever else the Lord called us to do.   [It’s really annoying when people twist scripture.  The ‘Greater Works” Jesus was referring too in the Bible was in regard to the speading of the Gospel – going out and reaching nations (something that Jesus did not do as He only preached in certain areas).  If anyone thinks they can be greater than Jesus Christ then they should think about the time when Jesus was tempted in the desert, where Satan came along and offered to give Jesus that which He always owned.  Blasphemy and woe to those who would want to lift their toe one cenitmeter higher than Jesus Christs.]
* Developing a more intimate relationship with our Father through our relationship with the Holy Spirit, whom our Lord and Saviour Jesus has given us access to.  [DTW note:  Jesus has given them access to the Holy Spirit?  Clearly they do not understand how the Holy Spirit works.  The Holy Spirit abides in Christians,  He does not hang outside Christians in the atmosphere waiting for His next command to perform a miracle.]
* Loosening the bonds of wickedness by the anointing of Christ.  [Oh another twisted scripture]
* Being led by the Holy Spirit in everything and at all times.  [I suppose if you are following a false Holy Spirit then they are telling the truth, otherwise they are lying, for if they did obey the Holy Spirit they would not be preaching another gospel.]
* Making true disciples of men.
* Caring for the individual: spirit, soul and body.

Isaiah 52:7, “How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of him that brings good tidings, that publishes peace; that brings good tidings of good, that publishes salvation; that say unto Zion, Thy God reigns!”

VISION

Habakkuk 2:2, “And the LORD answered me, and said, Write the vision, and make it plain upon tables, that he may run that read it.”

Raising the Standard of Christian Living  [I have never heard such a load of nonsense in all my life.  Genuine Christians do not need to be taught on ‘raising the standard’  for the Holy Spirit abides in them and with genuine Salvation comes repentance and a changing of ways.  Again can I say I have never heard such a load of rubbish in all my life.  I suppose if you are not saved you will need to set goals on how to live a good life, and you will used your own flesh to try abide by them – which means they will never be achieved.   Now the commandment from the 10 commandments, Thou Shalt Not Lie is something that ROCK CHURCH needs to be held accountable for.]

Luke 4: 18-19 : The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because He has anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; He has sent me to heal the broken-hearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, to preach the acceptable year of the Lord.

-Being on the cutting edge of where the Holy Spirit is leading and what the Lord expects from the Final (John the Baptist) Generation   [DTW note:  Oh the John the Baptist Generation – where have I heard this before – this is another name for Joel’s Army]

-Reaching our full potential as individuals in our gift and callings and corporately as the body, having the Lord manifest himself so that the earth is filled with His glory  [DTW note:  This is Latter Rain, Manifest Sons of God teaching.  They are building a kingdom on earth, awaiting THE CHRIST (anti-Christ) to show up.  Anyone who is not in accordance with their beliefs by then need to be removed].

-Revival: Having the Sons of GOD revealed and the Bride prepared for His coming.

[DTW note:  Sons of God revealed and the Bride?  There are 2?  That’s news to me.]

Source:

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[Here is more about SOLID ROCK CHURCH OF MIRACLES

“Raising the Standard of Christian Living.  This blog is for men and women of God that want to break out of religion and experience and walk in the great power of God, healing the sick, raising the dead, and setting the captives free! http://churchofmiracles.blogspot.com WARNING PLEASE VIEW SOLID ROCK CHURCH WEBSITE WITH BIBLICAL DISCERNMENT.]

2 Peter 2:1 (Amplified Bible)

1BUT ALSO [in those days] there arose false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among yourselves, who will subtly and stealthily introduce heretical doctrines (destructive heresies), even denying and disowning the Master Who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction.

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A testimony from SOLID ROCK CHURCH from a person who was healed from AIDS.

Testimony of Aids healing

Hello, Pastor!  I greet you in the most wonderful name of Jesus Christ.  I was so glad to hear from you and surely was blessed.  Before everything, I would like to briefly give my testimony to you.

Long before God adopted me in His family, I did many things, bad and evil, the world could offer.  I married and had one child who was discovered born with HIV/AIDS virus and later died.  After that we decided to go to the mountain in the forests seeking God for our healing, where we stayed for six months.

It wasn’t easy for us to be in the forests seeking God’s face, for six months without His grace.  But in the sixth month, Heaven was open and God spoke to us that He’s healing and miraculous power to demonstrate unto the dying world that is swinging into space without hope.

Therefore, we went down for HIV test, made it, showed that we were extremely made whole (HIV negative), we’ve been traveling around the globe and seen God’s power mightily manifested in such marvelous ways.

It is my prayer to God that we meet.  I’ll let you know everything about my healing, and will show you the HIV tests I had from different hospitals.  I am telling you, let the South Africans get prepared for God’s power explosion. Look forward to hearing from you.

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See below article for ministry called 220 Generation run by a Youth pastor Ivan Viljoen who quotes Johan van Wyk.  Go look for the Quote of the Year – It’s guaranteed a laugh and a half.   http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/07/23/the-fires-of-hell-burn-bright-for-220genergation/

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Here is a video of Kobus van Rensburg from Spirit Word Ministries who uses ‘healing’ as a way to bring people to his church so he can take their well earned money.

Another unverifyable healing of a women who supposedly had AIDS.

See all articles on Kobus van Rensburg

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28 comments to Johan van Wyk – Solid Rock Church With Not So Solid Advertising

  • Dominique

    I know you will delete this but I will tell u anyway cos you are really stupid – ‘building a kingdom waiting for christ to show up (anti-christ)’ dont you know He has already showed up, He is being manifested in the beleivers. You can tear the page out of your bible that says we are to come forth in the image of christ – the full stature, full measure cos it doesnt apply to you – in fact tear out half of the new testament cos you are not walking in Christ. You people should get lives – try the Christ life – it has certainly worked for me. I will pray for you guys – stop being so pathetic – you honestly have way too much time on your hands to create rubbish like this – we also have a church with miracles and no asa (hole) will stop me advertising what God is doing – asa is not above God and neither are you. 

  • Elmarie A

     

    Dominique
     

    I know you will delete this but I will tell u anyway cos you are really stupid – ‘building a kingdom waiting for christ to show up (anti-christ)’ dont you know He has already showed up, He is being manifested in the beleivers.

     
    Noooooo Dominique/Pastor Debbie you are kidding me. Oh my goodness Pastor Debbie aka Dominique what are you saying?
     

    You can tear the page out of your bible that says we are to come forth in the image of Christ

     
    How can you tell people to tear out pages from their Bibles that is not good.
     

    – the full stature, full measure cos it doesnt apply to you – 

     
    Pastor Debbie aka Dominique since when have you the authority to say what and what does not apply to us?
     

    in fact tear out half of the new testament

     
    Yikes talking about APOSTASY from Pastor Debbie aka Dominque.
     

    cos you are not walking in Christ.

    How would you know ooohhh but I forgot you are the Christ Pastor Debbie aka Dominque. You said this in another thread as far as I can remember.
     

    You people should get lives – try the Christ life

     
    Not the life you have surely I just see Apostasy and false teachings there.
     

    – it has certainly worked for me.

     
    Yeah you betha cause your are Imortal and getting younger is it? as you also said on another thread.
     

    I will pray for you guys – stop being so pathetic

     
    You like to insult people do Pastors usually do this kind of thing and then you offer to pray for us? I smell a rat here eeeuuuuwwww
     
     

    – you honestly have way too much time on your hands to create rubbish like this

     
    Well If you want to call Discernment rubbish it is your problem not ours. Read your Bible and ask for forgiveness of your sins and pray for mercy.
     

    – we also have a church with miracles and no asa (hole) will stop me advertising what God is doing

     
    Oh yes we know yes ? You seem to do funny wierd things at that church. You know it is called APOSTASY what you are preaching. But you said this already else where I think you said this: God is using us in a church where we have signs, wonders and miracles following the Word – which is undiluted, uncompromised -TRUTH. If you need healing in any area in your life then please visit us. God will touch you………………………………………..let the asa try and stop me – I stand up for Jesus before man – He stands up for me before the angels.
     

    – asa is not above God and neither are you.

     
    We never claimed to be so stop the lies please.
    Oh I forgot to say oh my oh my but you can make claims like you are the Christ wow Pastor Debbie aka Dominique
    You certainly cannot claim to be immortal yet while here on earth as God Alone makes the descision who will have eternal life hereafter we must all apear before the Judgement seat of God one day .

     
    1 John 4:1-3 (Amplified Bible)
    1BELOVED, DO not put faith in every spirit, but prove (test) the spirits to discover whether they proceed from God; for many false prophets have gone forth into the world.
    2By this you may know (perceive and recognize) the Spirit of God: every spirit which acknowledges and confesses [the fact] that Jesus Christ (the Messiah) [actually] has become man and has come in the flesh is of God [has God for its source];
    3And every spirit which does not acknowledge and confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh [but would [a]annul, destroy, [b]sever, disunite Him] is not of God [does not proceed from Him]. This [[c]nonconfession] is the [spirit] of the antichrist, [of] which you heard that it was coming, and now it is already in the world.

     
     

  • Elmarie A

    The following comments by Dominque aka Debbie aka Pastor Debbie and Jo-Ann, Tessa and Margaret. It is just so sad that people are blinded by deceipt and choose fleshly things above the truth. But this is typical of what is taught by the False churches who mainly teach Dominion now and Prosperity theology.  It just numbs me that people like Kobus van Rensburg  teaches Bible and Imortality , as claimed by Debbie.  We are commanded to teach the Word of God only. Yes People like Debbie aka Dominique , Jo-Ann, Tessa and Margaret have fallen for these false teachings. So sad and we can only pray for their eyes to open and ears to hear.

    This is what was said by Dominque aka Debbie aka Pastor Debbie and Jo-Ann, Tessa and Margaret :
    The following was said here :
    http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/11/06/what-a-tragedy-prophet-kobus-van-rensburg/
    This is to show how people can be mislead by False Pastors/Preachers/ Prophets and teachers. They are so blinded by false teachers that they will make the most ludicrous claims.

    Debbie
    24 June, 2010 at 3:12 pm
    just reading through the comments. Prophet Kobus teaches Bible and ……..wait for it……immortality. It is in the Bible – go read 1 Corinthians 15.(just for starters) Christ came to bring us life and bring it more abunantly – I choose life.

    Debbie
    25 June, 2010 at 1:26 pm
    The Bible says we can be immortal -yes I do choose life.

    Debbie
    25 June, 2010 at 5:29 pm
    If we are alive when Jesus returns then we will be given our immortal bodies. Yes, I am saying that our physical bodies will be made immortal and we will not die. I have seen people around me who are fighting the good fight of faith and are laying hold on life who are becoming younger. How did death enter into the world?

    Debbie
    25 June, 2010 at 5:34 pm
    when you lay hold on life and seek immortality, corruption and aging do stop – try it – you will love the results.

    Jo-Ann
    30 June, 2010 at 12:34 pm
    Touch not my annointed and do my prophets no harm!!!!!!!!

    Jo-Ann
    1 July, 2010 at 9:28 am
    Admin Edit (DELETED: Insulting piece removed) When we are given our immortal or glorified bodies hen all things will be made perfect. God wont leave sickness and disease – death and imperfection will be swallowed up. Why dont we meet and speak face-to-face or are you too scared?

    Jo-Ann
    1 July, 2010 at 8:25 pm
    Admin ( Deleted this part of comment )- and yes we are all getting younger.
    Much love and His abundant grace,
    Debbie, Jo-Ann, Tessa and all at Edit(This is not place for you to advertise false churches). Edit (Removed)

    Tessa
    2 July, 2010 at 11:20 am
    We are are Christ on the earth, I am Tessa Christ deal with that truth!!!! If you dont wanna be like Christ, totaly up to you, I’ll take it…..

    Margaret
    11 July, 2010 at 6:45 pm
    I am actually a catholic but I watch the channel and my daughter goes to Spirit Word. A good friend received her healing at Spirit Word. Her leg was to be amputated because of diabetic sores. God stopped the operation and she went to SW and is now completely healed of diabetes. She looks about 20 years younger. I dont understand it all but it is defintely revival and God moving in a mighty way.
     

    When I read the following scripture I could not help to think things will not get easier it is already worsening by the day.

    2 Timothy 3

    1BUT UNDERSTAND this, that in the last days will come (set in) perilous times of great stress and trouble [hard to deal with and hard to bear].
    2For people will be lovers of self and [utterly] self-centered, lovers of money and aroused by an inordinate [greedy] desire for wealth, proud and arrogant and contemptuous boasters. They will be abusive (blasphemous, scoffing), disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy and profane.
    3[They will be] without natural [human] affection (callous and inhuman), relentless (admitting of no truce or appeasement); [they will be] slanderers (false accusers, troublemakers), intemperate and loose in morals and conduct, uncontrolled and fierce, haters of good.
    4[They will be] treacherous [betrayers], rash, [and] inflated with self-conceit. [They will be] lovers of sensual pleasures and vain amusements more than and rather than lovers of God.
    5For [although] they hold a form of piety (true religion), they deny and reject and are strangers to the power of it [their conduct belies the genuineness of their profession]. Avoid [all] such people [turn away from them].
    6For among them are those who worm their way into homes and captivate silly and weak-natured and spiritually dwarfed women, loaded down with [the burden of their] sins [and easily] swayed and led away by various evil desires and seductive impulses.
    7[These weak women will listen to anybody who will teach them]; they are forever inquiring and getting information, but are never able to arrive at a recognition and knowledge of the Truth.
    8Now just as Jannes and Jambres were hostile to and resisted Moses, so these men also are hostile to and oppose the Truth. They have depraved and distorted minds, and are reprobate and counterfeit and to be rejected as far as the faith is concerned.(A)
    9But they will not get very far, for their rash folly will become obvious to everybody, as was that of those [magicians mentioned].
    10Now you have closely observed and diligently followed my teaching, conduct, purpose in life, faith, patience, love, steadfastness,
    11Persecutions, sufferings–such as occurred to me at Antioch, at Iconium, and at Lystra, persecutions I endured, but out of them all the Lord delivered me.
    12Indeed all who delight in piety and are determined to live a devoted and godly life in Christ Jesus will meet with persecution [will be made to suffer because of their religious stand].
    13But wicked men and imposters will go on from bad to worse, deceiving and leading astray others and being deceived and led astray themselves.
    14But as for you, continue to hold to the things that you have learned and of which you are convinced, knowing from whom you learned [them],
    15And how from your childhood you have had a knowledge of and been acquainted with the sacred Writings, which are able to instruct you and give you the understanding for salvation which comes through faith in Christ Jesus [through the [b]leaning of the entire human personality on God in Christ Jesus in absolute trust and confidence in His power, wisdom, and goodness].
    16Every Scripture is God-breathed (given by His inspiration) and profitable for instruction, for reproof and conviction of sin, for correction of error and discipline in obedience, [and] for training in righteousness (in holy living, in conformity to God’s will in thought, purpose, and action),
    17So that the man of God may be complete and proficient, well fitted and thoroughly equipped for every good work.

     

     

  • Elmarie A

    These type of places are also becoming more en more common and they all claim to be non denominational.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    I am Tessa Christ deal with that truth

    WOW – blasphemy!

  • Elmarie A

    South Africa: E.tv in Hot Water
    3 August 2010

    The Treatment Action Campaign (TAC) has accused e.tv of promoting quackery by airing a weekly 30-minute church paid-for advertorial in which a pastor claims he is able to heal several life-threatening diseases, including HIV/Aids. </b.

    Quackery loosely describes the promotion of unproven medical practices.

    The TAC alleges that two people died after attending a healing session at the Christ Embassy church in Joburg, where they were supposedly “cured” of HIV and XDR TB.

    The two allegedly attended the faith healing sessions at different times and were apparently told to stop using their ARV treatment because God had healed them.

    Their doctor, Graeme Meintjes, said on Monday: “The patients were on treatment before they attended the Christ Embassy healing session and were doing extremely well.”

    Meintjes said that when he saw the woman a year later, she hadn’t taken her medication and had advanced Aids.

    TAC treasurer Nathan Geffen said religious organisations played a critical role in the fight against HIV/Aids and TB, but this was not the case with Christ Embassy.

    “E.tv is promoting quackery by airing Christ Embassy’s commercial at 7.30am on Sundays,” said Geffen.

    Geffen said that by claiming to heal life-threatening conditions, the church led people to believe they no longer needed to take their tablets or seek appropriate medical care.

    “E.tv’s 3rd Degree has been outspoken against Aids quackery and denialism, so it is disappointing.”

    But the free-to-air channel says the programme, Higher Life, which is produced by Christ Embassy, will not be pulled. E.tv spokesperson Vasili Vass said the programme was an advertiser-funded show.

    “While individuals and organisations may not agree with the content of the show, it must be acknowledged that millions of people around the world believe that faith plays a role in healing,” said Vass.

    “E.tv strictly adheres to the advertising standards and broadcast regulations by which we are governed, and in the event that there is a ruling against any programme or advertisement by the Broadcasting Complaints Commission of South Africa (BCCSA) and the Advertising Standards Authority of South Africa (ASASA), e.tv will comply with such ruling.

    “As yet, no such finding has been made against Higher Life.” Vass said the station would continue airing the show, but with disclaimers before, during and after to inform viewers that it was an advertiser-funded programme.

    The TAC lodged a complaint with ASASA in November. Under the advertising code, ads cannot make unfounded claims about treating or curing a disease, but ASASA ruled that the content was sponsored programming and not an advertisement, and therefore it did not hold jurisdiction over its content.

    The TAC is appealing the ruling. Geffen said the TAC had contacted the church, but no resolution had been reached.

    Christ Embassy directors were not available for comment.

  • Elmarie A

    And then I found this about Christ Embassy – Rev. Chris Oyakhilome. Hmmmm another T B Joshua type.

    Please read with discernment.

    Highlights Of The 2010 Healing School Autumn Session

    “…and they brought unto him all sick people that were taken with divers diseases and torments, and those which were possessed with devils, and those which were lunatic, and those that had the palsy; and he healed them” (Matthew 4:24).

    The Healing School autumn session was another resplendent demonstration of the truth that healing is God’s will for all! Held in the city of Johannesburg, South Africa in March and April 2010, the session was one that many had longed for. For those who were sick and diseased, it was their time of visitation from the Lord; and for others, it was another opportunity to drink from His fountain of blessings. For this awesome session, the Healing School received thousands of students from seventy-nine countries. Particularly significant is the fact that some of these countries were represented for the first time at the Healing School!

    Accounts of the miraculous!
    In all the four healing services of the session, testimonies of former students, who had attended previous Healing School sessions served as a further inspiration to all. Fifty-nine year old Joanne Davis from Cyprus was healed of asthma and hypertension she suffered for fifteen years. She was very depressed about her condition; it was especially difficult since the drugs she needed were not available in Cyprus and she had to import them at great expense. She attended the 2009 Healing School winter session and received her healing! Testifying, she said, “After I received my healing, life has been good for me. I got a permanent job which I love and I no longer worry about taking medications. I’m now a Pastor!” Now, she prays for people in need of healing and they get healed!

    And He Healed Them All!
    In each of the services, everyone on the healing line had awaited their moment with the man of God, Pastor Chris, with great expectation. The moment the man of God came into the hall, the atmosphere became electrified with the power of God, and he ministered healing to them all! Always, it was most touching to see the myriads of emotions as the people received their healing. Some let out shouts of praise and immediately began to do what they could never have done before! While others, too moved to shout, cried for joy. God had done for them what no other could and they couldn’t thank Him enough!

    …And Prize Gets “A Prize” For His Faith – He’s Healed, Refreshed And Free!
    Prize Mahachi, a thirty-four year old from Zimbabwe came to the Healing School with a collapsed right lung – a condition he had suffered for three years. He also had liver cirrhosis and numbness of his feet. Jobless and unable to undertake strenuous tasks, he came for the autumn session with high expectations. He indeed got “a prize” for his faith eventually after the man of God ministered to him. He described his experience thus: “It was wonderful! I felt a fresh breeze fill my entire body, and especially directed to areas where I had the sickness. Strength welled up from within me, and when I stood up, I started jogging! I am healed, refreshed and free!”

    A New Lease Of Life After 5 Years Of Breast Cancer
    Khesia Mkhonza, a forty-seven year old South African, who was healed of breast cancer, also shared her experience: “I was shivering when I was looking at him; I felt like something was moving in my back. I’m glad that I received my miracle…I’m healed!” Hitherto, she couldn’t walk properly or sit for a long time. She also couldn’t drive or dress herself. She was so weak that she had to be brought in on a bed. Pastor Chris, upon commanding the devils responsible for her condition to leave her, blew the anointing on her, and that was all she needed! She sprang to her feet and raced around the hall healed by the power of God!

    A Heart Is Made Whole!
    Patricia Botha, a thirty-nine year old lady who had been suffering from a heart disease, diabetes mellitus and gout was also waiting in line for her healing. She had severe pains as a result of the swelling of her ligaments, and diabetic sores. Patricia could neither walk properly nor bathe herself. She had tried all kinds of medications to cure her disease without success; she then decided to come to the Healing School, having heard about it on TV and on the internet.

    The man of God placed his hand on her chest, told her to breathe in the anointing from his hand and then commanded the devil to come out of her. She immediately jumped up, in celebration of her miracle! Testifying of her experience later on, Patricia said, “It was awesome, I just felt at peace with myself; … I can’t really explain that feeling! May God bless Pastor Chris and his family abundantly!”

    All Free To Live Again!
    In all the services, shouts of “I’m free!”, “I’m alive!”, “I’m healed!”, “Thank You Lord!” rang through the hall as the lame walked, the deaf heard, the weak became strong and different supporting devices were discarded! The power of God had made them free to live again, and they couldn’t rejoice enough!

    Pastor Judith Alufohai, who witnessed the miracles in one of the services stated, “Tears came to my eyes as I saw God’s love expressed in every miracle. The deaf heard, and even children received their miracles as the anointing came on them. Wheelchairs became vacant as their erstwhile occupants began to walk. I am even more resolved to put in more efforts to support the Healing School. Nations of the world have hope today because of the Healing School. As a partner, I am a part of that hope.”

    Elize Knowles from Cape Town was overwhelmed by the manner in which those that were once sick received and declared, “What a mighty God we serve! As Jesus healed in the days of old, so He’s still doing through Pastor Chris. He is surely a man sent from God, on a mission and for a purpose. Healing is for everyone, and they received healing for their spirits, minds and bodies. Their lives will never be the same!”

    Rounding off the services during the session, the man of God taught the Word of God to all present with profound clarity and compassion. Thereafter, he ministered the gospel to the unsaved, and many stepped forward to receive the Lord Jesus Christ into the lives.

    At the end of every service, it was always a beautiful sight to watch the congregation troop to the center of the hall, dancing with joyful abandon, and praising God for His wonderful works! Thus, they fulfilled the scripture: “People far away marvel at your fearsome deeds, and all who live under the sun celebrate and sing because of you” (Psalm 65:8 CEV).

    About page:

    Through an anointed ministry spanning over 25 years, Pastor, teacher, healing minister, television host and best-selling author Rev. Chris Oyakhilome has helped millions experience a victorious and purposeful life in God’s Word.

    He is the author of several bestsellers such as “None of These Diseases” and “Rhapsody of Realities” which he co-authors with his wife, Pastor Anita. His teachings are also available in all audio and video formats.
    Presiding over an ever-widening network of Christ Embassy Churches and campus fellowships on all five continents, Rev. Chris also pastors one of the largest congregations in Africa. He holds massive teaching and healing crusades with crowds of over 3.5 million in a single night’s event.

    In Year 2003, he pioneered the first 24-hour Christian Network from Africa to the rest of the world. He is also the host of “Atmosphere for Miracles”, a programme on major television networks around the world, which brings God’s divine presence right into your home.

    He is married to Pastor Anita, an anointed minister of God, whose passion for the gospel of Christ, coupled with several years of experience in ministry, has resulted in worldwide expansion of Believers’ LoveWorld. Rev. Anita is the Director of the Christ Embassy International Office and also pastors Christ Embassy Churches in the United Kingdom.

    Need I say more ………….

  • Annie Rossouw

    What’s with all the different bank account details on Solid Rock’s website, including Johan’s personal savings account? If that doesn’t ring alarm bells, then I don’t know what will. If they are really able to heal the sick, then why in God’s name, ask for money? I always thought Christianity was a humble and charitable religion.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Annie

    I wish every single person who comes across Johan van Wyk’s website and church asks the exact same questions you do. That means they are thinking and the end result would be that they have thought twice and put on their running shoes and make a b-line away from this fraud.

    Johan van Wyk makes a mockery of Jesus Christ.

  • Caroline Espach

    I am very shocked to hear and read the articles written above, the blatant attacks on this man personally is not fair and just, Jesus Himself warned us that we will be persecuted by the world because He himself was persecuted and murdered for nothing but His innocence, innocence that sets us free by his blood today! I do agree that we must test the spirits by the word, but i cannot as yet find fault with this man or what he is doing, I would like to ask you what are your fruit and what are you doing for the kingdom? If you wish to bash this man for taking a offering i suggest you remove all the scriptures in the Bible that reffer to tithing and offerings as well stop the all the churches from taking any money what so ever from their parisioners, that includes the roman catholic church, NG kerk which by the way comes and collects your money every month ( where the bible tells us to bring our offerings) including each and every other church, even the Muslems give money to their churches for the work of God what is so wrong with this man? Because there are healings? Has the spirit of God changed so much that He is now today less than a God and father to his children that he cannot heal anymore or have we as people forgotten the awsome power of who He is and claim heracy or whichcraft any time there is a miraculous healing or is it now only Satan who can heal???? If there is a Satan who can do awsome things including scaring people making them rich and healing people, There must be A God in Heaven wanting to bless and heal His people??? I do wish to warn you If this is an annointed man of God and i do believe at this stage that He is just that, The scripture warns us by saying and i kwote ” EVEN THOUGH HE REBUKED KINGS FOR THEIR SAKES HE SAID TOUCH NOT MY ANNOINTED AND DO MY PROPHET NO HARM” Be carefull what you do and say against children of God i beg you. I believe in the blood of Jesus Christ That he died for my sins and paid with His blood for every curse and sickness, I believe He heals people who ask and some times He chooses not to But it is his will. We will never fully understand every thing but that is what faith is for. I will be praying for you, that you will fully get to know the King of kings that you will learn to grasp his fullness and joy and total Love for you even as you wield the wip of religion and persecution Jesus also died for you, remember that it was not unbelievers who crucified Jesus but the religeous leaders of the church of that day because they refused to agknowlage Him as the son of God, Which He is was and will be untill He comes again to fech His Children as the scriptures warn us that that day will come, that the Hour is near.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Caronline

    Jesus Himself warned us that we will be persecuted by the world

    Wake up, the man is a fraud. Jesus warned us that there will be MANY false prophets that will rise and deceive little people like you.

    I do agree that we must test the spirits by the word…

    Really, tell me how do you do this, I’m interested to know.

    If you wish to bash this man for taking a offering i suggest you remove all the scriptures in the Bible that reffer to tithing and offerings as well stop the all the churches from taking any money what so ever from their parisioners, that includes the roman catholic church,

    No Caroline, this is about LYING that he heals people and places false advertising.

    Has the spirit of God changed so much that He is now today less than a God and father to his children that he cannot heal anymore

    No, Caroline, God heals today, but not through the hands of a conman.

    I do wish to warn you If this is an annointed man of God and i do believe at this stage that He is just that,

    Are you saying John van Wyk is Christ? Annointed means Christ. You say you test the spirits, again I ask HOW do you do this!

    Be carefull what you do and say against children of God i beg you

    Becareful who you follow, a man or Jesus Christ. It seems right now you choose Johan over Jesus Christ.

  • riot

    DONT SPEAK AGAINST THE ANOINTED OF GOD. THE ANOINTED NEED NOT DEFEND THEMSELVES, AS GOD WILL DEFEAND AND THEM. THERE IS A THIN LINE BETWEEN DISCERNMENT AND JUDGMENTAL. RATHER PRAY THAT GOD PUT A GAURD INFRONT OF YOUR MOUTH, MAKING YOU QUICK TO HEAR AND SLOW TO ANGER. PROVOKING THE PUBLIC FOR A RESPONSE IS NEITHER PART OF THE FRUITS OF THE SPIRIT. PRAY FOR YOUR ENEMIES AND BLESS THEM. DONT JUDGE THEM. LEAD BY EXAMPLE DONT FUEL YOUR SHORTCOMMINGS BY PLACING THE SPOTLIGHT ON THE ANOINTED. MY PRAYER: FATHER IN THE MIGHTY NAME OF JESUS CHRIST I ASK THAT YOU WILL EXPOSE THE TRUTH. AND THAT NO WEAPON FORMED AGAINST YOUR ANOINTED AND APPOINTED CHILDREN WILL STAND, AND THAT FATHER YOU PROTECT YOUR ANOINTED AND APPOINTED CHILDREN. THAT ALL DECEIPT, AND LIES AND MALICE AND VEXACIOUS INTENTIONS AND PLANS OF THE ENEMY BE CUT OFF IN JESUS CHRIST HOLY NAME.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    riot

    Yes, God is currently exposing the lies and deceit and John van Wyk.

  • Hilgard Muller

    How come most false prophets always claim to be “Anointed by God” ………… (just a thought)

  • Monc Mahs

    Good morning Pastor van Wyk,

    I believe in healing. I have a very large lump in my right breast and would appreciate you praying for me. Thank you.
    My contact details.
    [EDITED: Contact details removed]

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Monc Mahs

    I have a better solution for you. There is this man, His name is JESUS CHRIST, the Son of God. You can go to Him directly in prayer and ask Him for healing. Before you do that, please read this:

  • Kevin

    I actually attended two services at Solid Rock. Johan seemed like a wizard to me with his long grey hair. He came across as a full on deliverance freak. Also attempted to heal two people with no luck. He even went so far as to pull the old “one leg is shorter than the other” healing trick. This is a common healing deception in which the healer tells the person you have one shorter leg that the other. It is an easy trick to pull off because you make the person sit down and stretch out there legs onto another chair. Its very likely that depending on the angle of the hips that one leg may seem shorter than the other. So when the healer goes about healing them, he simply wiggles the leg a bit and it appears to grow. He was so confident about this trick that he actually made the camera man focus on the guys legs as he grabbed the feet and wiggled them slightly and the leg appeared to lengthen as he maneuvered it. At the time I cold see right through it and was familiar with this tactic. While on the other hand the other person he attempted to heal had a back problem, so he didnt bother calling the camera guy for that one. Needles to say,that guy confirmed that he was not infact healed and that his back was still in pain. What a joke. Whats even more sick is I had been invited to the church by a girl I was very interested in. She was very attractive. At the end of the service the pastor wouldnt stop chatting to her at the door. He totally ignored me and I was standing with her. I also later learned that as a brand new Christian she was very influenced by Johan, he and his wife even influenced major decisions in her life like her marriage partner. She eventually married some guy based on their influence. She hadnt known the guy for long as I had kindof dated her a few months prior to that. It sickened me to see her dating another guy. She told me that her pastor told her that they had better get married. Its a sick sick world.I wonder where she is today and what condition she must be in. Especially considering she was a drug addict not so long before getting saved.

  • Kevin

    What do you expect coming out of Rhema Bible college. I have only seen trash come out of there like that chop in bloemfontein I forget his name. Rhema bible college largely teaches from Kenneth Hagin who is known as the father of the faith movement. They call him Daddy Hagin in Rhema leadership circles. But actually Kenyon is the father of the faith movement. Rhema is a Kenneth Hagin franchise, allthough I’m not sure anymore after Ray and Lindies public spectacle of a divorce. How do I know this, well I was at Rhema for most of my life. I have the 3 year bible correspondence course in big box at home (which I should burn but I keep it as evidence). 80% of it is Kenneth Hagin books. What a great way to launch new ministers into ministry by giving them teaching based on a guy who claims God showed him stuff in dreams and visions. Guys we have to wake up and very fast. We are being caught off guard at almost every corner. Havent you noticed there are new churches popping up all over the place. Where do the ministers of these so called churches get their qualifications from? Many of them are independent self appointed ministers who often go straight into ministry without any official training in theology. I’m sure many of them don’t purpose to deceive or dont do it knowingly. They are simply ignorant themselves and are just echoing what they have been taught or understand as truth. Few have actually taken 7 years to study theology and or hebrew or greek. Many may have a gift or calling but they attempt to just go for it without being mature enough in the word. Ray McCauly simply went to study at rhema bible college in the states under Kenneth Hagin. Must have been a 2 or 3 year course and probably consisted largely of Kenneths teachings. Ray was then ordained a minister and given the keys to the franchise so to speak. Theres no doubt Ray has a gift of some kind, perhaps even an evangelical gift but unfortunately deception came in.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Kevin

    Wow. Well that’s a story and a half. My goodness.

  • The High Priest

    It is really interesting to note the arrays of criticisms levied against the men of God in your column. As The High Priest, it is my duty to put some truths clear for the benefit of your teeming readers.

    I have never been to Pastors Chris Oyakhilome, TB Joshua and van Rensburg but I have worshipped severally at The Solid Rock Church. There are very pertinent questions which the writers of the threads on your site failed to address; are you sure the ASA is not sponsored by the Medical Association? Most of the testifiers to the Power of God came from the hospitals. At Solid Rock, I was present when a Medical Doctor gave a testimony to healing. Nurses and their patients have been healed of sicknesses that defiled medical procedures. Though some sicknesses my assume medical looks, not all of them are medical problems; majority are spiritual, we only see the physical part of it. This explains why some do not respond to medical treatment till the spiritual part has been handled.

    At TB Joshuas’, cancer of different types have been healed. Pregnant women previously booked for caesarean births have been delivered without a knife. Meanwhile, there are doctors working at the emergency section of the Synagogue Church. Why don’t you take a trip there and see things for yourself. There are things people can fake but a physical wound cannot be faked. What about the HIV/AIDS medical reports before and after the healing encounter from the testifiers? Are you saying that several hospitals gave fake reports against themselves over one patient? HEALINGS ARE REAL. People who received divine healing at Solid Rock left their crutches behind to prove that medical science had managed them longer than they wanted but God healed them.

    Johann van Wyk lived a rascally life for some time. Yes. But he is a fully repented and Holy Ghost filled Minister of the Gospel – tested and proven. If other drug addicts and alcoholics can choose this path, Hallelujah. It also looks like your articles are sponsored by the manufacturers of these destructive substances. Why are you accusing Johann of ‘playing on the “desperation, ignorance and gullibility” of those who come to it, gathering large sums of money in the process’? At Solid Rock, there is only one session for offerings and those who have do give. There are no consultation fees. No cards. No compulsory payments of any kind. What monies are you talking about? All the churches depend on benevolent offerings and donations which are never compulsory.

    It seems the newspapers make more advertising money from the producers of the drugs, alcohol and tobacco products damning and destroying the people while the church delivers the same people from the bondages of these substances. Of course, the other party is not happy and this other party is supported by the news media. Unfortunately, the owners of the news media have their children on the drug lanes and many of these owners are on drugs and alcohol.

    Any form of Christianity without a positive impact on the lifes of the people and the community is DEAD. Any church that cannot preach against and / or change the drug addicts, alcoholics, treasury looters, rapist, ritualists, murderers, assassins, armed robbers, etc through the power of the Gospel of Christ, is a dead church. The Kingdom of God is not in words only but a demonstration of the Power of God. If you preach the word and there are no signs following as a confirmation, go back and ask God to fully furnish and equip you.

    It would be good if Christians can unite and share in the gifts and callings of each other instead of going at each others throat.

    Annie Rossouw (19 August, 2010 at 1:45 pm ) What’s with all the different bank account details on Solid Rock’s website, including Johan’s personal savings account? If that doesn’t ring alarm bells, then I don’t know what will. If they are really able to heal the sick, then why in God’s name, ask for money? I always thought Christianity was a humble and charitable religion. Dear Annie and Deborah (DTW), there is the need for people to support the Man of God and the Work of God. For the different bank accounts, some donors send money to different ministries for specific purposes. You may want to send money to Johan as a preacher or to the church for any of its programmes. These different accounts are to avoid mix-ups. The church doesn’t ask for money before healing but support from people who want to see the programme continue on different broadcast media including outreaches. If there is a mix-up with the funds, people like yourself who are acclaimed educated management professionals would blast the church for not separating personal account from church account.

    Kevin (24 November, 2010 at 12:58 pm ) I actually attended two services at Solid Rock. Johan seemed like a wizard to me with his long grey hair. He came across as a full on deliverance freak. Also attempted to heal two people with no luck……. What’s even more sick is I had been invited to the church by a girl I was very interested in. She was very attractive. At the end of the service the pastor wouldnt stop chatting to her at the door. He totally ignored me and I was standing with her. I also later learned that as a brand new Christian she was very influenced by Johan, he and his wife even influenced major decisions in her life like her marriage partner. She eventually married some guy based on their influence. She hadnt known the guy for long as I had kindof dated her a few months prior to that. It sickened me to see her dating another guy. She told me that her pastor told her that they had better get married. Its a sick sick world.I wonder where she is today and what condition she must be in. Especially considering she was a drug addict not so long before getting saved. Dear Kevin, I can feel your pain, rejection and annoyance. Coming from someone whose girl left with another guy couldn’t have been milder than you did. Johann’s hair is long but not grey. I thought Johann took your wife or slept with her. Your ex was preached to and she saw the difference between you and the next guy. Did Johan introduce her to the other guy? Why blame him for the departure of your girl? The Pastor and his wife only preached and counseled but the counselee has the final say; it wasn’t a forceful encounter. Did you ever consider what the girl wanted in her life? Are you sure you were not re-introducing her to drugs? I do not expect a believer to marry a non-believer to avoid conflict of beliefs. If you missed that one, there is still another girl for you to find. She was blessed to have two gentlemen to choose from. Please take heart and move on.

    Healing is not a gamble or luck-dependent game like lotto. Did Jesus heal all the sick people in His day? NO. In every programme, many are called but God knows those who truly want to be healed separated from those who want to mock Him. Many people come out for healing but their bag of charms are not discarded. If such are healed on the spot, they would attribute their healing to their charms. They only see God as a tool for healing and not the Creator, to be worshipped above all else.

    Kevin (24 November, 2010 at 1:23 pm ) What do you expect coming out of Rhema Bible college. I have only seen trash come out of there like that chop in bloemfontein I forget his name……How do I know this, well I was at Rhema for most of my life. I have the 3 year bible correspondence course in big box at home (which I should burn but I keep it as evidence)…..Dear Kevin, God loves you so much but you are busy killing yourself with anger, bitterness and unforgivenness of yourself and others. You pass-off to me as an intelligent person eager to learn more but you never really asked yourself if your studies would fill the void in your life. You mostly listen to what you want to hear which most often are far from what you really need to hear. You are hurting from another direction; perhaps you expected your membership of some organisation to fill the void instead of God. Your write-up shows different aspects of you and the confusion you are suffering.

    1. only trash comes from Rhema. Do you mean you were part of that trash for so long? So blind? Those who came out to start another ministry are criticised by you; those who remain are criticized by you. But you have done anything to correct their trash by setting up the real thing.
    2. for the 3year Bible course, did someone forced you? Attending a Bible School is not a guaranty of the Anointing. For you to be prepared for the work, you need to go back to Christ and receive the promise of the Father. You need the Anointing of the Holy Ghost and Power – not the politics of your church. You don’t need a degree in theology before you can function in your calling but some training is needful. You, unfortunately joined the wrong political class of your church because you trusted the system in direct rejection of God. You played church for too long. You created enemies for yourself within the church. You lost much along the line. But you are blessed to have survived because many have perished in the game. Contact me on [email removed] and I would help you spiritually if you really want to recover what the enemy stole from you.
    3. Where do the ministers of these so called churches get their qualifications from? They obtain from the same or similar schools you attended except that they joined the political groups you didn’t join hence their ordination. The real ones get their qualification from The Father, Son and Holy Spirit. The later is what you need. Apostle Paul had the Judaism training but when he had the Damascus Road encounter, he obtained the real training and empowerment. If the churches pop-up every corner, then the Word is brought nearer to the people. They do not have to labour to attend church like you used to cover kilometers to be in church just because you worshipped the church. In truth, we need more churches so we can fulfill the scriptures and reach all the earth. If there are many more churches, any pastor that messes around in any way would know that people will migrate to the next church by the corner. Did Kenneth Hagin teach the truth? If Yes, what’s wrong with extending it?

    I still love you despite…

    The High Priest.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    The High Priest.

    What blasphemy to call yourself ‘The High Priest’ Jesus Christ is The High Priest!

  • TB Joshua is a satanic High Priest. A crypto satan worshiper – thats all of the storry.

  • Teleayo

    @ Michael

    i hate the way some people talk so freely about “men of God”. Anyway, who are you to judge? what if you are proved wrong on the last day? have you considered the consequences of that?

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Teleayo

    “men of God”? that will be the day.

  • Michael

    This is mental and spiritual sickness…severe delusions of grandeur and pride of the worst proportions…a high priest???

    Deb’s it is hopeless to reason with these nutters…you can only pray for them because they are sick and bound by self-centredness and Satan…it sounds very unkind to say this but this self-delusion and extreme pride. Only Satan sets himself up elevated and puffs up and deceives. They cannot see the truth because they do not want to…they also have a defense weapon when confronted…”do not judge”. Of course we must discern and judge if it is blatantly unscriptural and against the Word of God.
    To be born-again,redeemed,converted you have to die to self and completely deny your old ways and confess your sins and unworthiness and come to the Lord Jesus Christ and acknowledge His sacrifice on the cross at Calvary for you sinfullness and lost state and ask Him to take away your sins and change you into the person He wants you to be. As John the Baptist said…He must increase but I must decrease…John 3:30

  • The High Priest

    [Deleted – I don’t have time for unbiblical nonsense talk]

  • Jean-Pierre Abiel Cronje

    Please test test test the spirits! The great deception today is the apostacy of the church and their doctrines like slain\drunk in the spirit or the fire fire fire technique which is not even biblical or “God will bless you if you give to this ministry” (Manipulation & Mind control) including TBN (Benny Hinn, Kobus van Rensburg, Rick Joiner, Tod Bentley, Kenneth Hagan, Copeland, Rod Parsley, Rick Warren, Joyce Meyer, TD Jakes, TB Joshua, Patricia King exposed) cause believers to stumble and unbelievers to run away! Its a discrace because they are like an infection! Well we all know what God has to say about that don’t we? Mark 9:42

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Hi Jean-Pierre

    Agreed. I have explained this FIRE in this article: Deon Hockey – Bringing the Toronto Blessing ‘Fire Serpent’ to a Church Near You: http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2011/09/12/deon-hockey-bringing-the-toronto-blessing-fire-serpent-to-a-church-near-you/

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      3. Any content that personally attacks an individual. (An example of a personal attack is posting negative comments about an individual in a way meant to demean that person. Note that posting your opinion about someone’s ideas, doctrine or actions is not a personal attack);
      4. Any content that discloses private details concerning any person, for eg., phone numbers that have not been made public, photos that are not in the public domain, residential address that is not public, ID numbers, Social Security numbers, email addresses that are not in the public domain, etc.;
      5. Any content that you know to be false, misleading, or fraudulent;
      6. Any use of profanity;
      7. Any content including advertisements or otherwise focused on the promotion of commercial events or businesses, or any request for or solicitation of money, goods, or services for private gain;
      8. Any content that contains software viruses or any other computer code, files or programs designed to interrupt, destroy or limit the functionality of any computer software or hardware or telecommunications equipment; or
      9. Any content directly or indirectly soliciting responses from minors (defined as anyone under 18 years of age).
  7. FAIR USE NOTICE:
    1. If any part of the “Comment” is not your original work, it is your responsibility to add the name of the third party, name the book with page number or a link (url) to the website where you obtained the information.
    2. Your “Comment” may contain Copyrighted material, the use of which has not always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. You are however allowed to make such material available in your “Comment” in an effort to advance understanding of environmental, political, human rights, economic, democracy, scientific, and social justice issues, etc.  This constitutes a ‘fair use’ of any such copyrighted material as provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, the material on this Site is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to:http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml.
    3. If you wish to use copyrighted material from a website or any other medium for purposes to add to your “Comment” that go beyond ‘fair use’, you must obtain permission from the copyright owner. (Fair Use means you may quote from copyrighted sources, but you may not publish the whole article, book, etc., in your “Comment”.)
  8. You are solely responsible for the “Comment” you upload, post, transmit or otherwise make available to others using this Web Site. Under no circumstances will Discerning the World be liable in any way for any “Comment” posted on or made available through this Site by you or any third party.
  9. You understand that all “Comments” on this Site are pre-screened or moderated. That means that every “Comment” needs to be approved by Discerning the World before it appears in the “Comments” section.  This is not an automatic process.  Discerning the World does this for SPAM reasons.
  10. Discerning the World has the right (but not the obligation) in their sole unfettered discretion to remove any “Comment” that is posted on or available through the Site. Without limiting the foregoing, Discerning the World has the right to remove any “Comment” that violates these Terms or is otherwise deemed objectionable by Discerning the World in its sole discretion.
  11. You understand that Discerning the World in their sole unfettered discretion is not obligated and can not be forced in any manner, be it legal or otherwise to remove any “Comment” that is posted on or made available through the Site by you.
  12. When submitting a “Comment,” you will be asked to provide your name and your email address. While Discerning the World does not object to your use of a pseudonym instead of your actual name, Discerning the World reserves the right, but not the obligation, to reject, change, disallow, or discontinue at any time any submission name that, in Discerning the World’s sole unfettered discretion, is objectionable or inappropriate for any reason. Discerning the World requires the submission of your email address, but Discerning the World warrants that it will not publish your email address to an outside third party without your consent.
  13. Discerning the World does not sell or rent your personal information to third parties for their marketing purposes. From time to time, Discerning the World may contact you personally via email. Notwithstanding the foregoing, you acknowledge and understand that the “Comments” feature of the Site is designed to permit users to post information and commentary for public review and comment and thus you hereby waive any expectation of privacy you may have concerning any likeness or information provided to the Site by you.
  14. You are solely responsible for your interactions with other users of or visitors to the Site.
    1. Discerning the World shall have the right, but not the obligation, to monitor interactions utilizing the “Comments” facility of the Site, between you and other users of or visitors to the Site. You acknowledge and agree that Discerning the World, or any third party shall not be, and you shall not seek to hold them, responsible for any harm or damage whatsoever arising in connection with your interaction with other users of or visitors to the Site.
    2. Discerning the World does not verify any information posted to or communicated via the “Comments” sections of the Site by users and does not guarantee the proper use of such information by any party who may have access to the information. You acknowledge and agree that Discerning the World does not assume, and shall not have, any responsibility for the content of messages or other communications sent or received by users of the Site.
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    1. Discerning the World does not control, and makes no representations or warranties about, any third party content, including such content that may be accessible directly on the Site or through links from the Site to third party sites.
    2. You acknowledge that, by viewing the Site or communications transmitted through the Site, you may be exposed to third party content that is false, offensive or otherwise objectionable to you or others, and you agree that under no circumstances shall Discerning the World be liable in any way, under any theory, for any third party content.
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16. These Terms constitute the entire agreement between Discerning the World and you with respect to the subject matter hereof, and supersede any previous oral or written agreement between us with respect to such subject matter.

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