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Rick Warren – A Recipe For Disaster

Rick Warren - A Recipe For Disaster

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THERE REALLY IS A RECIPE FOR DISASTER (see end of this article)

Rick Warren (Purpose Driven Life author) twitted:

“Those who yell their beliefs are trying to convince themselves. Sarcasm often reveals a weak position,guilt, or insecurity.”   http://twitter.com/RickWarren/status/6575625921 9:06 PM Dec 11th 2009

Rick Warrens Bio on Twitter says:

Bio:   Champion of planters/pastors/worship ldrs. Cheerleader/mentor for next gen leaders. Tell me-I’ll follow u. Trained 400,000 pastors in162 nations. Loves doubters  http://twitter.com/RickWarren

Prior to that Rick Warren said this:

“Love isnt letting people do whatever they want. That’s often cowardice or apathy. Love cares enough to tell the truth.”  http://twitter.com/RickWarren/status/5605843093  3:22 AM Nov 11th 2009

What Rick means is this;  if a genuine Christian stands up for the Gospel of Jesus Christ and tries to correct error with the Truth, so that people are not led astray, they portray themselves as insecure in their beliefs, are unloving and sarcastic.

However he also says that loving someone entails telling them the truth and correcting the errors so that they are not led astray.  If you don’t tell the truth you portray yourself as a coward and are apathetic to those around you.

Um… comments anyone?  I’m not sure what to do.  If I say something to correct this contradiction I am insecure in my beliefs, weak and have no idea what I am taking about.  If I don’t try help Rick see that this is a blatant contradiction then I am a coward and unloving.

Gosh. What a dilemma this is.  I am so confused lol.

No wonder the world is in the state it’s in.

Recipe for Disaster:

Take a very large pot – throw in mankind, throw in unscrupulous amounts of money, slowly remove the Word of God, add heaps of addiction, add a lot of debt, turn up the heat, then sow tremendous amounts of confusion, let it simmer, then reap the world.  Don’t forget that it’s made with Love — www.discerningtheworld.com

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36 comments to Rick Warren – A Recipe For Disaster

  • cecilia

    I was following up a link on YOU TUBE – listen for yourself, but I highlight this:

    “You see, over the years as we’ve been training all this 400 000 churches around the world, we’ve build a network. And there are literally tens of thousand of other churches waiting to do what Saddle Back has been testing the last two years…
    What is the vision for the next 25 years? I’ll tell you what it is! It is the global expansion of the kingdom of god, it is the total mobilization of this church, and the third part is the dream of a radical devotion of every believer.”



    [my highlight]

    I cried as I watched this video. words standing out:

    “WE’VE been training”, “WE’VE build a network”, “I’LL TELL YOU what it (the dream) is” !!

    God help us all when this ‘church’ and counterparts are moving in their mobilized unity, spear-headed by their world-leader Rick Warren. HOW ON EARTH can so many people be SO blind?!

    Oh wait, I know the answer already: Mass hypnotism / mass mind-control. No wonder he commends Hitler! And he is using the same tactics as Hitler, ‘mobilizing’ the youth. Those who are subject to their hormonal changes… those who are still learning to come to terms with their humanism, their teens, their adulthood.

    I thank the LORD God that HE is in control and knows the exact time when things should happen. I put a finger in front of my mouth and a guard to my heart NOT to cry out “come Lord Jesus”, because there are SO MANY youth to be plucked from the hands of these wolves and from the gates of hell!!
    cecilia

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    C

    >> No wonder he commends Hitler!

    He commends Hitler?

  • cecilia

    sorry, wrong word? (afrikaans thinking) – what I meant is : deur sy woorde wat hy gebruik wanneer hy van Hitler praat, gee hy die indruk dat dit wat Hitler gedoen het eintlik goed was + hy dieselfde as Hitler (wil) doen; omdat dit wat Hitler gedoen het so doeltreffend was dat hy veral die jeug gemobiliseer het om (amper) die wêreld oor te neem. en dit was veral die jeug wat die moord-veldtogte uitgevoer het wat Hitler beveel het.

    please translate in English? my brain sometimes just doesn’t want to translate correctly..

    so he’s urging the youth to emulate the Nazi youth movement.

    I quote from the partial transcript (http://www.talk2action.org/story/2009/12/5/125642/379) :
    For the past 18 months we have been on a stealth, secret mission – project – around the world. We’ve been sending members out, actually over 4500 members somewhere overseas, over the period of time, the last few years, going out to do what we’re gonna call the P.E.A.C.E. Plan.

    You’ve been hearing little snippets about it, today we’re going to unveil it publicly. But the first thing before I even talk about it in a minute is you need to understand that at the heart of the P.E.A.C.E. Plan is this theme – The Kingdom of God.

    Saddleback and our Purpose Driven Network has now trained over 400,000 pastors in over 162 countries.”

    “”Jesus said, ‘I want you to do this publicly.’ So what I want you to do is take the card, and in just a minute, and if you say ‘Rick, I am willing to serve God’s purposes in my generation.’

    I want you to open up to the sign that says ‘Whatever it takes.'”

    And on in the video clip the WHOLE crowd (mostly young people dressed in (olive)green t-shirts, hold up their red cards with ‘whatever it takes’.

    now I agree with the comment Bruce Wilson placed which asked why he (RW) is holding up a violent role model where he could have pointed to someone eg like Wesley etc.

    the shock is the word he used: “we have been on a stealth, secret mission – project – around the world.”

    why secretive if it’s “god’s plan”?
    whatever it takes…
    cecilia

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    C

    >> deur sy woorde wat hy gebruik wanneer hy van Hitler praat, gee hy die indruk dat dit wat Hitler gedoen het eintlik goed was + hy dieselfde as Hitler (wil) doen; omdat dit wat Hitler gedoen het so doeltreffend was dat hy veral die jeug gemobiliseer het om (amper) die wêreld oor te neem. en dit was veral die jeug wat die moord-veldtogte uitgevoer het wat Hitler beveel het.

    When he spoke about Hilter he gave the impression that how Hilter mobalised people into action was a good plan, and that he is using the same plan of action. Because of the way Hitler did it, it was extreemly effective and Rick Warren tells about how Hitler mobalised his Youth League in such a way that they almost took over the world.

    Of course we know that the Hitlers youth-league were the ones who went on murdering sprees that were orders directly from Hitler.

  • cecilia

    thanks 4 translation! c

  • Richard

    There is demon who’s name is Oriah, he is usually not alone but comes with Leviathan, and Jezebel. Oriah’s purpose is to present someone in a different form and specifically to present you to appear to be spiritualually acceptable. Leviathan’s prime purpose if to stop deliverance and salvation. Jezebel has as her prime purpose manipulation. These three are ever present within the church. You can see how working together they can deceive the church. There are many men who in their own zeal and drive to achieve status even in the Christian context do things in their own strength. But God isn’t impressed by them. Guarding against being influenced by demonic forces should be our consistent goal. The fear of the Lord is the beginning of all wisdom.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Richard

    You said: There is demon who’s name is Oriah, he is usually not alone but comes with Leviathan, and Jezebel. Oriah’s purpose is to present someone in a different form and specifically to present you to appear to be spiritualually acceptable. Leviathan’s prime purpose if to stop deliverance and salvation. Jezebel has as her prime purpose manipulation. These three are ever present within the church. You can see how working together they can deceive the church. There are many men who in their own zeal and drive to achieve status even in the Christian context do things in their own strength. But God isn’t impressed by them. Guarding against being influenced by demonic forces should be our consistent goal. The fear of the Lord is the beginning of all wisdom.

    It’s bothering that you know these demons names. Could it just be another occult lie? Not saying you are lying, I am just saying that Satan is the FATHER of all lies and will give false information. Jesus Christ never went around and asked for the demons name before He commanded them to get lost. Neither should you be worried about this type of stuff.

    >> You say, “Guarding against being influences by demonic forces should be our consistent goal?”

    That is a problematic statement, because when a person is truly born again, the battle has been won because Jesus Christ defeated Satan. Your consistent goal should be keeping to the gospel truth and NOT worrying about fending off demons and wasting time on rubbish. If this is the main focus then there is something desperately wrong. When you have the Holy Spirit abiding in you, you have the truth, knowledge and wisdom because the Holy Spirit is all those things.

    1 John 4:4 (AMP)
    4 Little children, you are of God [you belong to Him] and have [already] defeated and overcome them [the agents of the antichrist], because He Who lives in you is greater (mightier) than he who is in the world.

  • Richard

    Deborah: At least two of the names of the demons are written in scripture and specifically mentioned by God in the book of Job.
    Scripture teaches My people perish due to a lack of knowledge. It is my opinion that your position is the weakness of the church. A common position held that where the Holy spirit is no demons can be. Christ is the lover of our soul and not our body. In fact the body must die in order to leave all sin behind and only those who are raptured alive are miraculously transformed into a glorified body. The grace of God is freely available constantly, however we need to appropriate it through consistent repentance and sanctification. If not it would mean we are able to sin freely after salvation and not suffer consequence.( ecl 12:13-14). It is our responsibility to resist the devil, How do we resist if we do not know what he does and how he does it. The word says for example we fight not against flesh and blood. Yet Christians still fight each other and get divorced. If we were obedient to the word we would resist Him and then he would flee from us. If these men resisted pride for example another demonic influence and humbled themselves and had a reverential fear of God they probably would not get drawn into error.

    If we cannot be influenced by demons then who is influencing all these false prophets. Surely if the Holy Spirit has driven out all forces of evil they cannot be false? Surely we cannot believe these men are all so wise themselves as to plan all they do? No you are right we have the holy spirit and truth, but we do not all listen to his voice and act obediently on it. Hence we are told test the spirits. He is the lover of our soul, but we must guard the soul by the abundance within our heart. Present yourself a living sacrifice. IE its a consistent effort, although made possible by grace in Christ Jesus.

    Amen to your scripture 1John4:4 and the Just shall live by faith. It is simply because you do have the Holy Spirit abiding in you that you become spiritually aware, and if you ask then also wise. A warrior does not close his eyes, rather he gathers all intelligence and goes in with eyes open, Praise God knowing God has already declared the Victory. The kingdom of God suffers violence but the violent take it by force.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Richard

    >> Scripture teaches My people perish due to a lack of knowledge

    This is speaking about the knoweldge of the full gospel of Jesus Christ – not knowing the names of demons

    >> It is my opinion that your position is the weakness of the church. A common position held that where the Holy spirit is no demons can be.

    No, the church is full of demonic activity – hence the state of the church. But knowing the names of the demons is a waste of time. Preaching the correct Gospel of Jesus Christ is what is needed. The Holy Spirit does not hang around in buildings in air, like principalities of evil. The Holy Spirit abides IN a born again believer.

    >> In fact the body must die in order to leave all sin behind and only those who are raptured alive are miraculously transformed into a glorified body. The grace of God is freely available constantly, however we need to appropriate it through consistent repentance and sanctification. If not it would mean we are able to sin freely after salvation and not suffer consequence.( ecl 12:13-14). It is our responsibility to resist the devil, How do we resist if we do not know what he does and how he does it.

    We resist the devil because when you are a born again Christian you are convicted of sin and one repent. That is how you resist the devil. The more we obey God the more we resist the Devil. And yes you can still sin when you are born again, but you will suffer the consequences of those actions – but you come before Jesus Christ and repent and the devil flees.

    Richard, you missed the point of my original comment. I never said there we no such things as demons. All I said is that your focus is on them and not on Jesus Christ. Why do you want to know demons names? It’s not important.

    We guard the soul but putting on the full armour of God.

    I have no idea what your original comment has to do with this topic of Rick Warren, but anyhow… have answered your questions well.

  • Richard

    >>I have no idea what your original comment has to do with this topic of Rick Warren

    Deborah you are quite right you have missed the point. I mearly intended to offer some insight. I do not require teaching of the basics of my faith. No disrespect intended!

  • Burning Lamp

    Richard, the day that we think we have mastered the basics of our faith is the day that we should revisit them. We should never tire of hearing them.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Richard

    >> You said: “I do not require teaching of the basics of my faith. No disrespect intended!”

    Ditto. But I will state (whether you like to agree or not) that you are incorrect in your ‘spiritual warfare’ beliefs.

  • Richard

    Deborah I don’t know how you have determined just what I believe in these few posts, however I have determined now by reading through your many posts on this entire this website that no one is worthy of working for God or commenting except those who agree with you.
    A dangerous position to take. If you are wrong on any one of these ministers lives, speaking against them, the consequences could be severe. I have been very outspoken myself against false prophets and will continue to be, but first be prepared to take the spiritual consequences. If you are not aware what those are you should not be doing what your doing.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Richard

    Ah so if I agree with you, then I am ok to be doing what I am doing? You can make weird comments about having to know demons names and what Satan’s plans are but I can’t question you? But you can question me? Pfff. Bit of a sneaky way to run away from something isn’t it.

    I asked you questions and you refuse or can’t answer them. They were easy questions based on your first comment. You can’t answer with direct answers so you now dodge it.

    I ask you again, this time I want you to quote me scripture where it says in the bible that you are to know and work out what the devil is doing and how he operates, and that you are to know the names of demons is an important part of being a Christian? I want scripture where it states that Jesus entertained or spoke to demons or cared to know their names. I want scripture from you to prove to me that the spiritual warfare beliefs you believe in (whether you know what you are following or not) is biblical.

    Come, you wanna get all serious here, let’s get serious and you quote scripture to me to back up your FIRST comment. Let’s take your first comment and you prove to the hundreds of people reading this blog that you are not throwing out false doctrines and ideas and taking a very DANGEROUS position in actually believing occult lies.

    And it makes no difference if you have been outspoken against false prophets. Gosh even Benny Hinn is speaking out against false teaching now while still being a false teacher. In fact using Benny Hinn as an example is not really a very good example. There are many so called ‘good’ ministers out there who are not at all blatant in their wicked ways, who are false and preach against false teaching.

    As for saying “I have been very outspoken myself against false prophets and will continue to be, but first be prepared to take the spiritual consequences”. Gosh, what does that mean? Just repent and Jesus will forgive you for following false teaching and then STOP following it. Where is the Holy Spirit in your life if you do not know or are not being lead into truth and growing in the truth that is Jesus Christ?

    You contradict yourself. If you are a genuine Christian you will not lead people astray. But if you are not aware of what you are doing, well….then you should not be doing what you are doing :)

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Richard

    Let’s make this very very easy for you to answer:

    Tell me where you get this information from, as you said in your first comment.

    “There is demon who’s name is Oriah, he is usually not alone but comes with Leviathan, and Jezebel”

    We are particularly interested to know who Oriah is and where you get this name from and how you know who it travels with…hmmmm

    And just in case there is any confusion regarding spelling – you are not speaking about Uriah from 2 Samuel who was an actual person married to Bathsheba an actual person.

  • Robbie

    I once sat on the fence too… trained by a church to be lukewarm and they said it was ok.

    Pick a side Richard!

  • Richard

    >>Gosh, what does that mean? Just repent and Jesus will forgive you for following false teaching and then STOP following it. Where is the Holy Spirit in your life if you do not know or are not being lead into truth and growing in the truth that is Jesus Christ?

    How convenient!

    Deborah trying to justify my position with you would be a futile exercise, Your obvious higher knowledge would make that impossible.
    Twenty five years of study have brought me to my position. Many many commentaries by the great men who have studied before me have come to the same conclusions as me. Simply because you lack the knowledge in this particular field does not qualify you to take the high handed position you have. Since repentance is your easy way of escape then I suggest you begin by working on your pride.

    One of the most important attributes of ones character that would show the love of Christ and the evidence of the Holy Spirit would be humility and the ability to treat all Gods people greater than yourself, in respect to the Holy Spirit within them. Correct people in love. If indeed you do have superior spiritual knowledge to me and truly did have intentions to teach me something you certainly don’t go about it the right way. At this point if I thought you had any intentions of truly wanting me to answer your questions, with a purpose of truly finding out what I believe and either learning by it, or assisting me in my own growth, due to a heartfelt concern for Christs people, then I would justify my position. However at this point it is obvious you get off on belittling Christ’s servants. Your inability to discern just who is for and who is against is obvious. Mark 9:40

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Richard

    I am asking you a simple question. Stop insulting me. Have you looked at your nasty comments to me? Who is speaking through you that you insult me like you do? Never mind. Can you answer this simple question based on your first comment? 25 years of study – you win. Now back up your comments.

    >> At this point if I thought you had any intentions of truly wanting me to answer your questions…
    >> Your inability to discern…

    Yes, I truly want you to answer my question. See below. I have left the simplest of questions for you to answer. I am discerning:
    1 John 4:1 “Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world.”

    So answer my question :)

    Tell me where you get this information from, as you said in your first comment.

    “There is demon who’s name is Oriah, he is usually not alone but comes with Leviathan, and Jezebel”

    We are particularly interested to know who Oriah is and where you get this name from and how you know who it travels with…hmmmm

  • Elmarie A

    Richard

    Please answer the questions asked by Deborah (Discerning the World).

    Yikes you are puffed up Richard and take care he.

    1 Timothy 6:4
    He is puffed up with pride and stupefied with conceit, [although he is] woefully ignorant. He has a morbid fondness for controversy and disputes and strife about words, which result in (produce) envy and jealousy, quarrels and dissension, abuse and insults and slander, and base suspicions,

    Colossians 2:18
    Let no one defraud you by acting as an umpire and declaring you unworthy and disqualifying you for the prize, insisting on self-abasement and worship of angels, taking his stand on visions [he claims] he has seen, vainly puffed up by his sensuous notions and inflated by his unspiritual thoughts and fleshly conceit,

  • Elmarie A

    Richard

    Your inability to discern just who is for and who is against is obvious.

    You know Richard you are judging here. Go read the whole blog and all that is said on this blog is backed up by Scripture.

    1 John 2:2-4 (Amplified Bible)

    2And He [[a]that same Jesus Himself] is the propitiation (the atoning sacrifice) for our sins, and not for ours alone but also for [the sins of] the whole world.
    3And this is how we may discern [[b]daily, by experience] that we are coming to know Him [to perceive, recognize, understand, and become better acquainted with Him]: if we keep (bear in mind, observe, practice) His teachings (precepts, commandments).
    4Whoever says, I know Him [I perceive, recognize, understand, and am acquainted with Him] but fails to keep and obey His commandments (teachings) is a liar, and the Truth [[c]of the Gospel] is not in him.

    3 John 1:11
    Beloved, do not imitate evil, but imitate good. He who does good is of God; he who does evil has not seen (discerned or experienced) God [has enjoyed no vision of Him and does not know Him at all].

  • Elmarie A

    Richard

    Go read your Bible and see how you are acting here. And also read this please.

    Galatians 5 (Amplified Bible)

    1IN [this] freedom Christ has made us free [and completely liberated us]; stand fast then, and do not be hampered and held ensnared and submit again to a yoke of slavery [which you have once put off].

    2Notice, it is I, Paul, who tells you that if you receive circumcision, Christ will be of no profit (advantage, avail) to you [[a]for if you distrust Him, you can gain nothing from Him].

    3I once more protest and testify to every man who receives circumcision that he is under obligation and bound to practice the whole of the Law and its ordinances.

    4If you seek to be justified and declared righteous and to be given a right standing with God through the Law, you are brought to nothing and so separated (severed) from Christ. You have fallen away from grace (from God’s gracious favor and unmerited blessing).

    5For we, [not relying on the Law but] through the [Holy] Spirit’s [help], by faith anticipate and wait for the blessing and good for which our righteousness and right standing with God [our [b]conformity to His will in purpose, thought, and action, causes us] to hope.

    6For [if we are] in Christ Jesus, neither circumcision nor uncircumcision counts for anything, but only faith activated and energized and expressed and working through love.

    7You were running the race nobly. Who has interfered in (hindered and stopped you from) your heeding and following the Truth?

    8This [evil] persuasion is not from Him Who called you [Who invited you to freedom in Christ].

    9A little leaven (a slight inclination to error, or a few false teachers) leavens the whole lump [it perverts the whole conception of faith or misleads the whole church].

    10[For my part] I have confidence [toward you] in the Lord that you will take no contrary view of the matter but will come to think with me. But he who is unsettling you, whoever he is, will have to bear the penalty.

    11But, brethren, if I still preach circumcision [as some accuse me of doing, as necessary to salvation], why am I still suffering persecution? In that case the cross has ceased to be a stumbling block and is made meaningless (done away).

    12I wish those who unsettle and confuse you would [[c]go all the way and] cut themselves off!

    13For you, brethren, were [indeed] called to freedom; only [do not let your] freedom be an incentive to your flesh and an opportunity or excuse [for [d]selfishness], but through love you should serve one another.

    14For the whole Law [concerning human relationships] is [e]complied with in the one precept, You shall love your neighbor as [you do] yourself.(A)

    15But if you bite and devour one another [in partisan strife], be careful that you [and your whole fellowship] are not consumed by one another.

    16But I say, walk and live [habitually] in the [Holy] Spirit [responsive to and controlled and guided by the Spirit]; then you will certainly not gratify the cravings and desires of the flesh (of human nature without God).

    17For the desires of the flesh are opposed to the [Holy] Spirit, and the [desires of the] Spirit are opposed to the flesh (godless human nature); for these are antagonistic to each other [continually withstanding and in conflict with each other], so that you are not free but are prevented from doing what you desire to do.

    18But if you are guided (led) by the [Holy] Spirit, you are not subject to the Law.

    19Now the doings (practices) of the flesh are clear (obvious): they are immorality, impurity, indecency,

    20Idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, anger (ill temper), selfishness, divisions (dissensions), party spirit (factions, sects with peculiar opinions, heresies),

    21Envy, drunkenness, carousing, and the like. I warn you beforehand, just as I did previously, that those who do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

    22But the fruit of the [Holy] Spirit [the work which His presence within accomplishes] is love, joy (gladness), peace, patience (an even temper, forbearance), kindness, goodness (benevolence), faithfulness,

    23Gentleness (meekness, humility), self-control (self-restraint, continence). Against such things there is no law [[f]that can bring a charge].

    24And those who belong to Christ Jesus (the Messiah) have crucified the flesh (the godless human nature) with its passions and appetites and desires.

    25If we live by the [Holy] Spirit, let us also walk by the Spirit. [If by the Holy Spirit [g]we have our life in God, let us go forward [h]walking in line, our conduct controlled by the Spirit.]

    26Let us not become vainglorious and self-conceited, competitive and challenging and provoking and irritating to one another, envying and being jealous of one another.

  • Richard

    Deborah,

    To learn about any of the demons and their natures would take you beyond your doctrine and comfort zone.
    I apologize for commenting on your site.

  • Elmarie A

    Richard

    To learn about any of the demons and their natures would take you beyond your doctrine and comfort zone.
    I apologize for commenting on your site.

    Did you really come here to tell us to learn about demons and their natures?? Noooooooooo you cant be serious. No Christian should be interested in demons and their natures.

    The only doctrine here on this blog is The Bible that is used as the only true doctrine.

    Richard your really need to read this.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Richard

    I’m just going to carry on discerning here if you don’t mind :)

    The Bible tells you to not delve into the occult or follow after things that are not glorifying to Jesus Christ. You have exposed yourself with your comment that you seek after things OUTSIDE of the Gospel of Jesus Christ and puff yourself up because you know dark knowledge.

    Well Richard, sorry for you, but…

    James 4:7-8 “7 Submit therefore to God Resist the devil and he will flee from you. 8 Draw near to God and He will draw near to you Cleanse your hands, you sinners; and purify your hearts, you double-minded.”

    This is why I questioned you to prove that you do not hold fast to that which is ONLY Godly.

    1 Thessalonians 5:21-22 “21 But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good; 22 abstain from every form of evil.”

    You comments and the words you speak imitate the evil that you know so well…

    3 John 11 “Beloved, do not imitate what is evil, but what is good. He who does good is of God, but he who does evil has not seen God,”

    Only those with wicked minds would want to know or learn about Satan. A Child of God is not interested in evil…

    1 John 4:4 “4You are from God, little children, and have overcome them; because greater is He who is in you than he who is in the world.”

    And to you Richard….

    Romans 8:31 “What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who is against us”

    You are hostile towards God when you follow evil doctrines of this world.

    James 4:4 4You adulteresses, do you not know that friendship with the world is hostility toward God? Therefore whoever wishes to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God.

    Boasting that you know about evil doctrines shows who your ‘father’ is.

    1 John 2:15-17 “15 Do not love the world nor the things in the world If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and the boastful pride of life, is not from the Father, but is from the world. 17 The world is passing away, and also its lusts; but the one who does the will of God lives forever.”

    If you are truly a Christian…you would not be conforming to this world and listening to Satan’s lies…

    Romans 12:2 “2 And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so that you may prove what the will of God is, that which is good and acceptable and perfect.

    You should know that Satan is the FATHER of Lies. Anything you learnt outside of a Christians ‘comfort zone’ is a lie. God has told you this over and over and over again.

    …. the evil one (Matthew 13:19; 1 John 2:13)
    …. the author of all evil (Luke 10:19)
    …. a murderer and the father of lies (John 8:44)
    …. the prince of this world (John 12:31; 14:30; 16:11)
    …. prince of the powers of the air, the spirit that now works in the sons of disobedience (Ephesians 2:2)
    …. power of darkness (Colossians 1:13)
    …. an adversary, like a roaring lion who walks about seeking whom he may devour (1 Peter 5:8)

    Something you seemed to do quite well in all your comments to me:

    …. the accuser of our brethren who accuses Christians before God day and night (Revelation 12:10)

    Are you so wise that you have become deceived?

    Proverbs 14:8 “The wisdom of the prudent is to understand his way: but the folly of fools is deceit.”

    Is your god the corrupted one who mas made you follow after demons instead of the Glory of God?

    Romans 1:22-23 “Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things”

    So Richard…

    Romans 13:12 “12 The night is almost gone, and the day is near Therefore let us lay aside the deeds of darkness and put on the armor of light.”

    And thank you for not wanting to share with us your ghastly lying doctrine because…

    Philippians 4:8 “8 Finally, brethren, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is of good repute, if there is any excellence and if anything worthy of praise, dwell on these things.”

  • Robbie

    how pathetic…
    Oriah is mentioned in a storybook “the mountain dreamer”

    Richard… wrong blog mate.

    Try – www. risingthedead .com or www. stiringtheliving .com

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Robbie

    >> Oriah is mentioned in a storybook “the mountain dreamer”

    I know…LOL. http://www.oriah.org I was trying to get Richard to tell us about this in the hope he would realise that Satan is indeed the father of lies and Richard has been taken for a ride.

  • Robbie

    Yea Debs..

    I always thought it was spiritual pride blocking spiritual discernment.
    I now blame ignorance. – (I think ignorance in Hebrew means *dumb on purpose*

    lol

    But seriously. There is a serious tendency and curiosity towards knowledge of the occult and the spiritual realms… and Harry potter can’t take all the blame. It is as if the gospel is becoming boring to the teenagers??.
    oh… the times!

  • Grant C

    Oreo are cookies – like chocolate brownies, sort of…

  • Robbie

    This is true

    …heresy does not get better, it does not improve with age, like a fine wine. It continues to drift further and further into darkness. The only way heresy is stopped in the Church is by godly people standing up for the truth and being willing to swim upstream against what is popular.

    http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/fprophets.html

  • Elmarie A

    Robbie

    “There is a serious tendency and curiosity towards knowledge of the occult and the spiritual realms…”

    Yes I agree with you and these “occult and the spiritual realms…”
    books are sold even in the so called christian book shops like CUM and at the false churches bookshops. Don’t forget the Shack that is punted by just about every big false church. Oh and if my memory is correct Rick Warren endorsed the shack.

  • Richard

    >>I’m just going to carry on discerning here if you don’t mind :)

    >>The Bible tells you to not delve into the occult or follow after things that are not glorifying to Jesus Christ. You have exposed >>yourself with your comment that you seek after things OUTSIDE of the Gospel of Jesus Christ and puff yourself up because you know >>dark knowledge.

    >>Well Richard, sorry for you, but…

    >>James 4:7-8 “7 Submit therefore to God Resist the devil and he will flee from you. 8 Draw near to God and He will draw near to you >>Cleanse your hands, you sinners; and purify your hearts, you double-minded.”

    Well perhaps Rick Warren was not holding fast to God and resisting the devil when he planned this. How has my comment on his possible motive suddenly become my spiritual position. You have taken a giant leap here and have absolutely no right to be assassinating me or allowing others to do so. This has become about my character now and you guys sound pretty much like a bunch of evolutionists now. The easiest response is to call me stupid. I think there is a scripture about that.

    >>This is why I questioned you to prove that you do not hold fast to that which is ONLY Godly.

    >>1 Thessalonians 5:21-22 “21 But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good; 22 abstain from every form of evil.”

    My knowledge is no indicator of my position or faith . Study to make yourself approved. The heart of the righteous studieth to answer: but the mouth of the wicked poureth out evil things.

    >>You comments and the words you speak imitate the evil that you know so well…

    >>3 John 11 “Beloved, do not imitate what is evil, but what is good. He who does good is of God, but he who does evil has not seen >>God,”

    Deborah you will answer for the words that you speak. From your mouth come curses and blessings. You seem to be intent on destroying peoples characters. Not everyone can be false or evil. There must be some who are good. Perhaps I might change my perceptions which you leave if you could perhaps now list the names of those ministers who you do approve of. If you approve of none then who is left to teach the gospel. Even Rick Warren will in all likelyhood see heaven its his work and the moties of his work which will be placed on the alter.

    >>Only those with wicked minds would want to know or learn about Satan. A Child of God is not interested in evil…
    >>This is a very naive and childish statement. Many people are possessed and influenced by demons. Even within the church. The tears >>and the wheat grow in the same field. Study to show yourself approved. Without knowledge and wisdom no one would be able to set >>the captives free. When you have done all, Fasted and prayed for many days and are unable to help the captive you too if you have >>compassion for them would go and study to gain the knowledge required to set them free. Besides just a study of the book of Job >>is enough to enlighten one.

    >>1 John 4:4 “4You are from God, little children, and have overcome them; because greater is He who is in you than he who is in the >>world.”

    >>And to you Richard….

    >>Romans 8:31 “What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who is against us”

    >>You are hostile towards God when you follow evil doctrines of this world.

    Who are you implying is following evil doctrine, me or Rick Warren. You certainly do not have the information at your disposal to decide if I am. Because of that fact you are out of line with your comments.

    >>James 4:4 4You adulteresses, do you not know that friendship with the world is hostility toward God? Therefore whoever wishes to >>be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God.

    >>Boasting that you know about evil doctrines shows who your ‘father’ is.

    Boasting? I boast in the Lord Jesus Christ. You wrote the blog! You called for comment, Why did you do that to insult me? Why didn’t you state what was acceptable to you and what wasn’t.
    Out of your mouth come blessings and cursings! What do you choose to do Deborah?

    >>1 John 2:15-17 “15 Do not love the world nor the things in the world If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in >>him. 16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and the boastful pride of life, is not from >>the Father, but is from the world. 17 The world is passing away, and also its lusts; but the one who does the will of God lives >>forever.”

    >>If you are truly a Christian…you would not be conforming to this world and listening to Satan’s lies…

    Conforming to this world how? By knowing my enemy? Did Christ know his enemy. Doesn’t His holy Spirit dwell in me. Doesn’t John say he is my teacher and I require no other?

    >>Romans 12:2 “2 And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so that you may prove what >>the will of God is, that which is good and acceptable and perfect.

    >>You should know that Satan is the FATHER of Lies. Anything you learnt outside of a Christians ‘comfort zone’ is a lie. God has >>told you this over and over and over again.

    Anything you learnt outside of a Christians ‘comfort zone’ is a lie.

    My goodness where did you get that from? “Comfort Zone” It seems to me you are a loose cannon and submit to no one. You appear to have absolutely no respect for anyone. In doing so you stand the very real possibility of grieving the Holy Spirit who dwells in many of us. You cannot curse people with your venom and get away from it. Turning on me to cover you many attacks on so many men and women of God and encouraging others to agree with you, is damaging to the kingdom. I am sorry I posted. I should have read your whole site first. I didn’t. You are actually not helping God you are hindering him Since anyone who reads this now realises that the kingdom suffers violence from within. We are not even in agreement with each other so how could we ever be a force against the enemy. I do believe Rick Warrens plan is not so much Holy Spirit inspired and rather has the influence of other spirits, But this does not mean nothing he does benefits the kingdom.

    >>…. the evil one (Matthew 13:19; 1 John 2:13)
    >>…. the author of all evil (Luke 10:19)
    >>…. a murderer and the father of lies (John 8:44)
    >>…. the prince of this world (John 12:31; 14:30; 16:11)
    >>…. prince of the powers of the air, the spirit that now works in the sons of disobedience (Ephesians 2:2)
    >>…. power of darkness (Colossians 1:13)
    >>…. an adversary, like a roaring lion who walks about seeking whom he may devour (1 Peter 5:8)

    >>Something you seemed to do quite well in all your comments to me:

    Well something you seem to have made a purpose of doing to all you have commented about. Your blog is discerning the world. Discerning what? We discern the spirits Deborah. So if you are discerning the spirits then what are we talking about discerning if it is the Holy Spirit or ???? What spirit. And evil spirit??? So does knowing the nature of the spirit dicerned now make me evil??

    Come now you take this too far.

    >>…. the accuser of our brethren who accuses Christians before God day and night (Revelation 12:10)

    Are you so wise that you have become deceived? No I have not become deceived but isn’t your blog purely about accusing the brethren? or have I missed something. I mean you have even attacked Angus Buckan, You have not been able to find much but imply that there may be reason to suspect he is also motivate by evil. Looks like he’s doing good but….

    >>Proverbs 14:8 “The wisdom of the prudent is to understand his way: but the folly of fools is deceit.”

    >>Is your god the corrupted one who mas made you follow after demons instead of the Glory of God?

    Follow after?? Too far Deborah!

    >>Romans 1:22-23 “Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image >>made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things”

    Amen Sister Amen!

    >>So Richard…

    >>Romans 13:12 “12 The night is almost gone, and the day is near Therefore let us lay aside the deeds of darkness and put on the >>armor of light.”

    >>And thank you for not wanting to share with us your ghastly lying doctrine because…

    >>Philippians 4:8 “8 Finally, brethren, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is >>lovely, whatever is of good repute, if there is any excellence and if anything worthy of praise, dwell on these things.”

    Providing some information has determined that my doctrine is evil, my faith is in satan? Deborah, Your whole body of work speaks for you. I cannot find anything which edifys in this body of work. Knowledge is power. A little knowledge would not have done you viewers any harm.

    Never the less Deborah, Christ too had his reputation attacked, Christ too was called many things. I’m sure I’ll survive your insults. You complained about my comments to you. I didnt attack you. I drew your attention to your writings. I say your body of work speaks on your behalf. The fruit what is the fruit? I didn’t say you were from your father the devil. Why? Well for respect to the Holy Spirit who dwells within you. See I am presuming you are already saved by water and the spirit.
    I do not take your ability to regurgitate scripture as any evidence of that. Satan also knows scripture.

    Johann Wier (1583) (quoted)
    Orias is a great marquesse, and is seene as a lion riding on a strong horsse, with a serpents taile, and carrieth in his right hand two great serpents hissing, he knoweth the mansion of planets and perfectlie teacheth the vertues of the starres, he transformeth men, he giveth dignities, prelacies, and confirmations, and also the favour of freends and foes, and hath under him thirtie legions.

    Goetia – S. L. MacGregor Mathers (1904) (quoted)
    The Fifty-ninth Spirit is Oriax, or Orias or Oriah. He is a Great Marquis, and appeareth in the Form of a Lion,26 riding upon a Horse Mighty and Strong, with a Serpent’s Tail; and he holdeth in his Right Hand two Great Serpents hissing. His Office is to teach the Virtues of the Stars, and to know the Mansions of the Planets, and how to understand their Virtues. He also transformeth Men, and he giveth Dignities, Prelacies, and Confirmation thereof; also Favour with Friends and with Foes. He doth govern 30 Legions of Spirits; and his Seal is this, etc.

    [EDITED: Added your comments into blockquotes to make things easier to read]

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Richard

    You say:

    Johann Wier (1583) (quoted)
    Orias is a great marquesse, and is seene as a lion riding on a strong horsse, with a serpents taile, and carrieth in his right hand two great serpents hissing, he knoweth the mansion of planets and perfectlie teacheth the vertues of the starres, he transformeth men, he giveth dignities, prelacies, and confirmations, and also the favour of freends and foes, and hath under him thirtie legions.

    Goetia – S. L. MacGregor Mathers (1904) (quoted)
    The Fifty-ninth Spirit is Oriax, or Orias or Oriah. He is a Great Marquis, and appeareth in the Form of a Lion,26 riding upon a Horse Mighty and Strong, with a Serpent’s Tail; and he holdeth in his Right Hand two Great Serpents hissing. His Office is to teach the Virtues of the Stars, and to know the Mansions of the Planets, and how to understand their Virtues. He also transformeth Men, and he giveth Dignities, Prelacies, and Confirmation thereof; also Favour with Friends and with Foes. He doth govern 30 Legions of Spirits; and his Seal is this, etc.

    Why are you reading The Goetia?

    When the Bible speaks about perishing from a lack of knowledge….

    Hosea 4: 6 ” My people perish from a lack of knowledge”.

    Is talking about KNOWLEDGE from the Word of God, not going off to study King Solomons Keys and Seals – satanic knowledge.

    Richard. You seem to think everyone is on a much lower level than yourself. This is why I quote scripture to you for the Word of God is KNOWLEDGE and the knowledge you have aquired thought occult material are lies.

    Have you thought of burning your occult books? Could you calculate the money you have wasted on lies?

    Acts 19:19 Many of them also which used curious arts brought their books together, and burned them before all men: and they counted the price of them, and found it fifty thousand pieces of silver.

    >> I didn’t say you were from your father the devil. Why? Well for respect to the Holy Spirit who dwells within you.

    Satan knows who belong to Jesus Christ and who has the Holy Spirit abiding in them and sealed by the Blood of Jesus Christ. Satan has no choice but to respect God.

    >> I do not take your ability to regurgitate scripture as any evidence of that. Satan also knows scripture.

    rerurgiate scripture? Only Satan would speak about the Word of God that way.

    >> Knowledge is power. A little knowledge would not have done you viewers any harm.

    Would not done them any harm?

    1 Peter 5:8 AMP “Be well balanced (temperate, sober of mind), be vigilant and cautious at all times; for that enemy of yours, the devil, roams around like a lion roaring [in fierce hunger], seeking someone to seize upon and devour.”

    Sounds like the serpent who spoke in the garden of eden:

    Genesis 3:1 “Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?”

    And look what happened when that ‘new’ knowledged was passed onto man because they listened to Satan.

    2 Corinthians 11:3 “But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.”

    Richard, go open your own occult blog and copy and paste your satanic rubbish all over it as you try desperately hard to pass yourself off as a pastor. Run along now…. toodles!

  • Richard

    [EDITED: Richard, please go and spread your ‘knowledge’ elsewhere.]

  • judy

    Having had my own experience with the demonic (no names known)I am accutely aware and spiritually discerning of the world around me. With that said I was drawn to different sites trying to learn more about the ‘church growth movement’etc and arrived here. I don’t propose to be knowlegable about scripture but like the song says, ‘my soul is thirsty’. I want and need to know so much more.

  • Elmarie A

    judy

    You have allot of reading to to. I pray you find info here of value to you. The most important part is to read and study The Word, first and foremost.

    John 4:12-14 (New International Version)
    12Are you greater than our father Jacob, who gave us the well and drank from it himself, as did also his sons and his flocks and herds?” 13Jesus answered, “Everyone who drinks this water will be thirsty again, 14but whoever drinks the water I give him will never thirst. Indeed, the water I give him will become in him a spring of water welling up to eternal life.”

  • Elmarie A

    judy
    “‘church growth movement’etc”

    Please define what you mean.

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