Patricia King and the Blue Flame of the Cosmic Christ
THE BLUE FLAME OF THE LORD: DIVINE REVELATION, PASSIONATE LOVE, AND THE ESSENCE OF HEAVEN
By Patricia King – October 17, 2006
For the last number of months, I have had recurring nudges from the Holy Spirit to meditate on the phrase, “The Blue Flame of the Lord.”
The blue flame is the hottest and most intense part of a fire, and the color blue is often a prophetic symbol of divine revelation, God’s love, and an open Heaven.
Blue Flame Encounter
Recently while teaching at Glory School in Dudley, England, with Trevor and Sharon Baker, I had a spiritual encounter regarding the Blue Flame of the Lord. In this encounter, I could feel myself soaring like an eagle, looking upward into the sun while in flight. My eyes were fixed on the sun. Eagles (often a Biblical symbol of the prophetic) in the natural have an extra membrane over their eyes that other birds do not have. This allows them to look directly into the sun without damage to their vision.
As I gazed into the sun, I could feel myself being drawn towards its center, and that is when I saw it–the Blue Flame. It was so beautiful. I could feel its strength that is to be feared and respected, and also I felt its passion. The Lord gave me three points of understanding and application that I would like to share with you.
1. The Blue Flame Speaks of Divine Revelation
Fire is an illuminator. Our Heavenly Father has given us the Holy Spirit as our Helper. He leads and guides us into all truth, and grants us revelation concerning Christ and His invisible Kingdom. The Spirit reveals the deep things of God.
In 1 Corinthians 2:9-10, the Scripture teaches that the Holy Spirit reveals to those who love the Lord, the things that eye has not seen, ear has not heard, and things that have not even entered into our heart. Verse 10 states, “…for the Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God.”…
The Lord is promising an impartation of the deep things of His heart to those who fix their gaze upon Him. This is a season of increased and intensified revelation for those whose lives are completely His.
[DTW note: I’ve read 1 Corinthians 2 v 9-10 and I can’t seem to find the words ‘blue flame’ anywhere, maybe I’m reading the wrong bible.]
2. The Blue Flames Speaks of His Passionate Love
Song of Solomon 8:6 teaches, “…love is as strong as death; jealousy is cruel as the grave: the coals there of are coals of fire, which have a most vehement flame.”
The intensity of this type of jealous love speaks of His great passion and affection for us. We are in His heart continuously. It is the power of this love that purifies and refines us. This love burns up the dross and aligns us with His ways and purposes.
When we are filled with His passionate love, the blue flame is also ignited within us and creates an intense love response to Him. “We love Him because He first loved us.” (1 John 4:19). When the blue flame of His love burns within us, we will also love others with His passion.
The Body of Christ is being invited to be filled with the blue flame of His love and to cause the world around us to be set ablaze with this love. New levels of refining, separation, purification, and purging will come to God’s people as a result of individuals being filled with the blue flame of love. More intense levels of love for God and for others will be experienced in the Body of Christ.
[DTW Note: So as per your definition, when we are filled with His passionate love, the blue flame is also ignited within us and creates an intense love response to Him and then you quote 1 John 4 v 19 “We love Him because He first loved us”. Wow, I can really see how you managed to connect the dots to the ‘blue flame’ using that verse.]
3. The Blue Flame Speaks of the Essence of Heaven
When examining the Scriptures, it appears that blue (found in the sapphire) is a significant color in Heaven. In fact, the pavement under God’s feet is sapphire. Exodus 24:10, “And they saw the God of Israel: and there was under His feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of Heaven in His clearness.”
We also find that the foundations of the walls of the Heavenly Jerusalem include sapphire stones (Revelation 21:19).
In the natural, when we look up into the sky, we see “blue.” Blue is the color that symbolizes the Open Heaven.
Many of God’s children in this hour, will receive increased Heavenly and divine encounters. The Body of Christ will become more and more familiar with the reality of Heaven–God’s place of abode. Multiplied manifestations of Heaven will be seen in the earth. More believers will live under the blessings of the Open Heaven.
[DTW Note: Goodness, this is your analysis to explain the blue flame? Because the pavement under God’s feet are sapphires which are blue in colour, and the sky is blue, hence your blue flame must be of God. That’s quite impressive, I am sure no one else in the world can compete with that kind of revelation.]
Word of Wisdom and Revelation
Our friend Faisal Malick from Covenant of Life Ministries adds these thoughts:
“The blue flame of the Lord represents purity of revelation and wisdom. Revelation is unveiling hidden wisdom in the right season. Secrets are never hidden from God, but by HIM, for us.
[DTW note: Let’s see what 1 Corinthians 2:6-8 has to say;
6 Yet we do speak wisdom among those who are mature; a wisdom, however, not of this age nor of the rulers of this age, who are passing away; 7 but we speak God’s wisdom in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God predestined before the ages to our glory; 8 the wisdom which none of the rulers of this age has understood; for if they had understood it they would not have crucified the Lord of glory;”
Ok Faisal Mailick, this hidden wisdom was truth known only to God at the time and He kept it secret until the appropriate time for Him to reveal it. The hidden wisdom was Jesus Christ’s perfect sacrifice on the Cross which proved that the religious leaders and the others that wanted Jesus Christ crucified lacked wisdom.
Seeing that Faisal Malick thinks this hidden wisdom is still something to be obtained (via this blue flame) makes me think he himself lacks wisdom, because quite frankly the answer to the question is in the bible, it’s Jesus Christ’s sacrifice for the world. And you won’t believe it Faisal, but this happened over 2000 years ago already. Any ‘new’ wisdom you receive won’t be from God as this ‘hidden wisdom’ chapter was revealed and finished by God. Jesus said himself, ‘It’s finished’.
John 19:30
30 Therefore when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, “It is finished!” And He bowed His head and gave up His spirit.
John 17:4
4 “I glorified You on the earth, having accomplished the work which You have given Me to do.
But the woes continue…
WISDOM IS REVELATION CONCEALED AND REVELATION IS HIDDEN WISDOM REVEALED.
When the Kairos time comes for hidden wisdom to be revealed in the earth, the deep of the Father connects with the deep of our spirits, and Holy Spirit impregnates us with revelation knowledge wrapped in the seed of His Word. As a result, hidden wisdom foreordained unto our Glory in Christ is unlocked.
Then forerunners come forth out of the wilderness impregnated with revelation knowledge in the womb of their spirit. They carry the baby, or steward the revelation in the midst of persecution and affliction with great joy, knowing that they must give birth to the plans of the Spirit into the earth.
Then the season comes where they actually speak forth by the Spirit of wisdom and revelation, making known even to the principalities and powers the wisdom of God, that was hidden long before even principalities existed.
This then provides a death blow to the devil and the gates of hell which can not prevail against revelation knowledge, and allows the will of Heaven to be done on earth as it is in Heaven.” “The WORD is forever settled in Heaven but must be established in earth.”
[DTW note: What an utter load of garbage…sorry I just had to add this. They just don’t get it do they: “The Word is forever settled in Heaven but must be established in earth” is JESUS CHRIST. He came, born of the Holy Spirit, lived a completely sinless life, and was crucified on a cross that His blood may wash away our sins for those who believe in him and repent. Jesus is the Word and the Word is and was and will be forever be established on earth – before the beginning of creation.]
Embrace the Blue Flame
May we gaze with a renewed focus into the intense fiery love of God. Let’s prepare ourselves to receive revelation into the deep mysteries of God and await authentic encounters with the very atmosphere of Heaven.
Let’s embrace the Blue Flame and allow Him to burn strong in our hearts. May we truly be known as those He makes to be His ministers–flames of fire (Psalm 104:4).
[DTW note: Patricia, there are no new mysteries, not even shallow ones for that matter. The only ‘new’ revelation / secrets / mysteries you will receive will not come from God but from Satan for the Bible contains EVERYTHING you need to know. When you go seeking wisdom outside the Word of God you are looking for trouble. Satan is full of shallow wisdoms that appear incredibly deep, that he will happily pass onto you, but know what the bible says of those who willfully seek after lies:
John 8:44
44“You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
Therefore we all need to beware of people like Patricia King and….
1 Peter 5:8
8Be of sober spirit, be on the alert for Your adversary, the devil, prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour.
Patricia King
www.extremeprophetic.com
Source: http://www.elijahlist.com/words/display_word_pf.html?ID=4601
Extreme Prophetic Blue Flame Logo
[DTW Note: Let us go and see what exactly this blue flame is:]
What is the blue flame, What it represents and Who it belongs to:
Patricia says: [emphasis added]
- “I had a spiritual encounter regarding the Blue Flame of the Lord. In this encounter, I could feel myself soaring like an eagle, looking upward into the sun while in flight. My eyes were fixed on the sun.”
- “He leads and guides us into all truth, and grants us revelation concerning Christ and His invisible Kingdom. When we are filled with His passionate love, the blue flame is also ignited within us and creates an intense love response to Him.”
- “Multiplied manifestations of Heaven will be seen in the earth. More believers will live under the blessings of the Open Heaven. “
- “Let’s prepare ourselves to receive revelation into the deep mysteries of God and await authentic encounters with the very atmosphere of Heaven”
New Age – Ascended Masters (The Christ) – The Great Central Sun also known as the Heart of God:
[DTW Note: this is what those that believe in these Ascended Masters have to say – see how they quote biblical scripture as well; and of course what they try and link the scripture too is a complete lie.]
- The Great Central Sun is one with every individual’s Mighty I AM Presence.
- The Sun behind the Sun is the Spiritual Cause behind the physical effect we see as our own Physical Sun and all other stars and star systems, seen or unseen, including the Great Central Sun. The Sun behind the Sun of Cosmos is perceived as the Cosmic Christ – the Word by Whom the Formless was endowed with form and Spiritual Worlds were draped with physicality.
The Seven Elohim are mighty Beings of Love and Light. Who responded to the invitation of the Sun of this System.
- “ELOHIM” is a Hebrew word meaning “God” – used 2,500 times in the Old Testament. It is a uni-plural noun that refers to the Twin Flames of the Godhead – the “Divine Us” Who in the beginning (Gen. 1:1) created male and female in their image and likeness (Gen. 1:26, 27). The Elohim embody the Light of the Father-Mother God, whom they personify on each of the Seven Rays.
- These Seven Sets of Twin God-Flames: are the “Seven Spirits of God” referred to in Revelation 1:4; 3:1; 4:5; 5:6 The Elohim are also the “Morning Stars” that sang together in the Beginning, as revealed by the LORD in the Book of Job.
| Vibration | Ray | Flame | Elohim |
| Power | First Ray | Blue Flame | Hercules and Amazonia |
| Wisdom | Second Ray | Golden Yellow Flame | Apollo and Lumina, fka: Cassiopeia and Minerva |
| Love | Third Ray | Pink Flame | Heros and Amora, fka: Orion and Angelica |
| Purity | Fourth Ray | White Flame | Elohim of Purity and Astrea |
| Healing and Truth | Fifth Ray | Emerald Green Flame | Cyclopea and Virginia |
| Peace | Sixth Ray | Purple and Gold Flame | Elohim of Peace and Aloha |
| Freedom | Seventh Ray | Violet Flame | Arcturus and Victoria |
Beginning in the Heart of the Great Central Sun, Hierarchy manifests as the stepping-down of the Energies of Alpha and Omega, of the Sacred AUM, of the I AM THAT I AM that is the Fiery Focal Point for the whole of creation, the whole of the cosmos. The Elohim and Cosmic Beings carry the greatest concentration, the highest vibration of Light that we can comprehend in our state of evolution. www.selftransform.net/Ascenced%20Masters.htm [Emphasis added]
[DTW Note: Uh but I get to differ, your Seven Sets of Twin God-Flames ARE NOT the ‘Seven Spirits of God’ and can’t even come close to be compared to the Seven Spirits of God and here is why…
Rev 4-5 says:
“5Out from the throne come flashes of lightning and sounds and peals of thunder. And there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God…”
The seven Spirits of God are lamps of fire, which represent the Holy Spirit. And no the Holy Spirit is not made up of seven persons. Here is another reference to the aspects of the Holy Spirit in…
Isaiah 11:12, it says:
“And the Spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD.”
See article on: The Biblical Holy Spirit vs. The False Unholy Spirit of Fire
I have underlined the seven aspects of the Holy Spirit above. Notice how these 7 aspects of the Holy Spirit completely differ from the list of ‘vibrations’ in the table above.
And one last thing before I carry on, Elohim is the name for God, but God is NOT male and female. The ‘im’ as the end of Eloh- is masculine in gender, therefore plural and not uni-plural. I won’t even comment on the rest of the rubbish written above.
As we can see you don’t have to be a ‘Christian’ to open the bible and quote verses. There are two lessons to be learnt here. Unbelievers can take scripture and use it for their own purposes – twisted, misquoted and turned into complete and utter lies (these unbelievers even call themselves Christian…hint, hint Patricia King). True Believers take scripture – quote it correctly, in context, and never insult, ridicule or deny Jesus Christ in any way, ever.]
See verses at end of article re: – There is only ONE God
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Here is part of an incantation/prayer to the Ascended Masters and the ‘I AM THAT I AM’:
“I invoke the blue Flame, which represents the Divine Power of my Father God.”
“I give gratitude to the glorious Cosmic and Ascended Beings, as I invoke them and the great Angelic Host to amplify the energy which I AM now releasing to assist with the fulfillment of the Divine Plan. May that Light expand and expand, as it travels throughout the Universe, ever widening the borders of the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth, in fulfillment of God’s Will.” [Emphasis added] http://www.lightparty.com/Spirituality/Visualizations.html
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A brief summary as to who / what the Ascended Masters are:
Ascended Master:- a being who has become Self-Realized and serves humanity; a being who has raised his/her vibration to a sustained frequency of light. He/she can come and go at will from the earth plane without the Birth/Death cycle. The Ascended Masters have worked with mankind throughout the centuries. Most of the time in the past the Ascended Masters have worked in the background. There were some Ascended Masters who have assisted mankind such as Sanat Kumara also known in the Bible as the “Ancient of Days”, by some He is known as the “Lord of the World”. http://www.greatdreams.com/masters/ascended-masters.htm
[DTW note: This is a funny one, in the bible the Ancient of Days referred to in Daniel 9 and Rev 20:11-15 is God who reigns down judgment on mankind because of their sin. However in Satanism, Paganism, New Age, etc, “Ancient of Days” is Lucifer. But explaining this does not really matter because they go on to expose themselves wide open by saying that this Ancient of Days is also called the Lord of this World.
2 Cor 4:4
4in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.”
John 12:31
31“Now judgment is upon this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out.”
Luke 4:6
6And the devil said to Him, “I will give You all this domain and its glory; for it has been handed over to me, and I give it to whomever I wish.
So, conclusion; the lord of this world is none other than Satan, Sanat Kumara is known as the Lord of the World, therefore Sanat Kumara is Satan. Phewww, that was a tough one.]
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List of some of the Ascended Masters:
Jesus the Christ (This is not Jesus Christ of the bible, but the Eucharist Christ), Buddha, Krishna, St Germain, Mother Mary, Melchizedek, Sanat Kumara, Maitreya, Lady Nada, Paul the Venetian, ISIS, Serapis Bey, Maha Chohan, Djwhal Khu, Babaji, Quan Yin, Sananda known as Jesus of Nazareth, Enoch, Confucius, Ganesha, Padre Pio – humble Capuchin Catholic priest, Milarepa, Elijah, Mary Magdalene, Rama etc.
List of some names of Archangels (in Occultism):
Adonael, Ariel, Barachiel, Chamuel (Angel of Tolerance), Gabriel (The Bright and Morning Star), Iaoth, Jehediel, Jeremiel, Jophiel (Angel of Enlightenment), Metatron – aka Lord Metatron (Angel of God’s Presence), Michael (Angel of Miracles, Angel of Truth), Orifiel, Raguel, Raphael (Angel of Healing), Sabrael, Sandalphon, Sealtiel, Uriel (Angel of Creativity), Zachariel, Zadkiel (Angel of Solace) Zerachiel.
List of Archangels and Angels (in Occultism):
Archangel Michael and Faith, Archangel Jophiel and Christine, Archangel Chamuel and Charity, Archangel Gabriel and Hope, Archangel Raphael and Mother Mary, Archangel Uriel and Auroria, Archangel Zadkiel and Amethyst, Elohim Hercules and Amazonia, Apollo and Lumina, Heros and Amora, PURITY and Astrea, Cyclopia and Virginia, Peace and Aloha, Arcturus and Victoria.
[DTW note: Please notice that I have specifically highlighted the Angel Purity above, for it’s very very important that you read below:
Prophetic Directives For 2006 by Patricia King
The Visitation of the Angel Purity
“In December 2005, our producer Shirley Ross was visited by an angel called Purity. Purity is a white eagle with piercing, fiery eyes, and yet, it is soft, gentle, and dove-like in nature. Shirley also saw a golden ring that Purity carried. It was a ring of power and protection, and it was placed around individuals and groups who chose the virtue of purity. I was present during the visitation and also felt the presence of Purity at that time, although I did not see it. I heard three words in my spirit: Expose, Sift, Analyze. I felt the Lord say that He will expose things that need to be exposed in His children’s hearts and lives. Nothing will be left unexposed. For those that submit to His convictions and dealings, there will be new levels of authority and grace that follow. He will sift so that only the pure will remain, and He will analyze. “Every man’s ways are right in his own eyes, but the Lord weighs the hearts.” -Proverbs 21:2 The angel Purity returned the next day and the day after. I saw the vision of this being during the two days and also felt the softness of its breast feathers on one occasion. We met with our team artist Ruthann Fryer and commissioned her to paint the vision of this angel.”
[DTW note: Here is some more information on how Purity and the blue flame are connected as well (see below). Take note that Almighty God, Jesus the Christ and the Holy Spirit are mentioned in this incantation. Of course this is NOT the One and Only Living God and our Lord Jesus Christ nor the Holy Spirit of the Bible. Here are complete counterfeits (This ‘holy spirit’ is the one that manifests itself in Churches, the one that brings FIRE and ignites your spirituality.]
Occult incantation: Call to the Elohim Purity and Astrea:
Elohim Purity and Astrea!
Elohim Purity and Astrea!
Elohim Purity and Astrea!
In the name of Jesus the Christ, I ask you to lock your cosmic circle and sword of blue flame around every pattern within me and within every child of God that keeps us en-slaved to bad habits, carnal-mindedness or addictions of any kind!
I call to the Elohim Purity and Astrea and the Goddess of Light, the Queen of Light and the Goddess of Purity to send your white fire and your circle and sword of blue flame to counteract all substance abuse and addiction, suicide, the violation of the child and abortion.
In the name of Almighty God, Jesus the Christ, the Holy Spirit and the Divine Mother, I call to beloved Astrea and all the mighty Elohim to release the circle and sword of blue flame around the cause and core of all that opposes my God-identity.
[DTW note: So there we have it, this is what you are following if you listen to Patricia King’s teachings – this is what you have been deceived into following. If you are following this woman’s teachings and anyone who associates with her and vice-versa, repent and TURN AWAY in fact RUN AWAY from this vile deception that is Anti-Christ! That includes you too Patricia, if you yourself have been deceived because of others – please repent and turn your back on these blasphemous lies.
Notice the use of the name of Jesus Christ – No one can ever say that because someone uses the name of Jesus Christ that this makes them a Christian. This Christ is the Eucharist Christ who’s Mother is the Goddess Mary, the Divine Mother, Queen of Heaven, Mother nature.]
False Prophets:
John 4:1 “Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.”
Matthew 7:15 “Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep€™s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.”
Jude 1:4 “For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.”
1 Timothy 4:1 “But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons.”
Acts 20:29-30 “29 I know that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock; 30 and from among your own selves men will arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after them.”
There is only ONE God
John 14:6 “Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.”
1 Timothy 2:5 “For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.”
Acts 4:12 “And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved.”
>>”People can be insincere and mock me – that is their problem, not mine. These are the type of people however that you will want to stay FAR away from in reality.”
I’m also thick-skinned like you (but your way more experienced)! But it seems these type of people have been purposefully been put in my life I don’t know why, but I really do not like the way they are. and they try to affect the way you are, sometimes its hard. I just keep running into them. Like those who pretend to be friends show who they are by their heart attitudes! it could be small thigns but are significant to God’s eye! God forbid do not ever let me seem that way to you Deborah :(!
Lee
I get what you are saying. You do know that the answer to your problem is….. taadaaaaa PRAYER! If I am having trouble, with someone, or something for example, I take my troubles to Jesus in prayer and I ask Him to help me understand why they are there or better yet remove them from my midst. If what is happening to you is a spiritual battle, and these people are coming to you to deliberately mock you because you know the truth, then you need to take your prayer to Jesus and ask Him to stop these people in their tracks, or cause a diversion. You will be surprised at what happens Lee – try it 🙂
Lee
You have asked me 4 times if you irritate me and I said no. What might happen is that I might get irritated of you asking me 😉 LOL and then I will have to come out with all sorts of clubs and bats and beat ya to death because of it. haha 🙂 Come now, relax Lee, let me massage your shoulders!
Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:
Ok thanks for the advice Debs 🙂 Your amazing!!!!
Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:
LOOOOL sense of HUMOUR!!!
I knew you would find that funny ;))
Ahhhh I love you Debs. Your HARSH but I see your LOVE at the heart of it all. Even if initially I don’t like what I hear, I KNOW what is being said is truth in the gut of my stomach! ahh yes, even I have a hard time as well getting to grips with the truth. its my pride I need to smash to pieces you see. so please forgive me. oh a free massage is due 😉
Debs have you heard of a minister by the name of Tim Conway?
He runs a ministry called Grace Community Church in Texas and was wondering if you’ve heard of him? Now let me say he is affiliated with ministers like Paul Washer, John Piper et al but so far upon listening to him, he’s biblically on point. I was wondering what you think of him? He runs a media ministry called “I’ll be honest” and they do sermon videos online which you can watch, if your service provider can hack it 😉
Lee
That’s the problem, you know, it sounds so much like I am being harsh because the TRUTH hurts but I am not. I know that I am not the one who changes hearts, it’s the Holy Spirit and it’s really not me you are fighting against, but Him. He is the one who is convicting you through my words.
When I was growing up, my mother was onto me like bubblegum stuck in hair. She drove me nuts with the gospel message of Jesus Christ. I hated her for it. We used to have shouting matches – and then I would run off to my room and slam my door. Now I look back and I can tell you this, if it was not for my mother’s constant, nagging way of preaching to me I would be dead. The message she drove home like nails into a wall saved my life, yes JESUS CHRIST saved me, but it was my mom’s relentless message that helped me turn my life around 15 years later.
So, I know from experience that people might hate me (not you) but people in general reading this blog and they will curse me and they will throw their toys out their cot as to how mean I am, but I know that what I have said to them will stick with them FOREVER and it will nag them until one day they need help and it hits them like a tons of bricks, and it’s like someone turns the lights on and they realise they need Jesus Christ in their life.
Lee
Waddaya talking about ANOTHER free massage. I already gave you your first one… 😉
Lee
I have heard of him but never researched him indepth. He is most definitely a Calvinist if he is associated to Washer and Piper. Ohhhh wait a second, yes I know the “I’ll be honest” website. I was a bit disturbed by one of the videos I saw there because it contained Freemasonry imagery in the background (I kid you not) and no they were not exposing Freemasons either.
This is Paul Washer: http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/04/20/paul-washer-practice-the-presence-silence-and-meditation/
Read this article on Calvinism to understand the doctrine: http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/04/13/calvinism-a-heretical-doctrine-thats-what-the-bible-says/
John Piper is now friends with Rick Warren who is promoting New Age teaching: http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2011/01/12/rick-warren-a-new-age-prescription-for-your-health/
My service provider can hack it, it’s I can’t afford the bandwidth to watch all these videos *cries*
Debs,
“That’s the problem, you know, it sounds so much like I am being harsh because the TRUTH hurts but I am not. I know that I am not the one who changes hearts, it’s the Holy Spirit and it’s really not me you are fighting against, but Him. He is the one who is convicting you through my words.”
—– I know what you mean. Often when I go back to what you have written, I am convicted and know in my conscience what you or anyone who is biblically on point is saying is true and then thankfully later in retrospect, I’m glad you said what you did, because at the time it can be hard to realise what is actually being said.
“When I was growing up, my mother was onto me like bubblegum stuck in hair. She drove me nuts with the gospel message of Jesus Christ. I hated her for it. We used to have shouting matches – and then I would run off to my room and slam my door. Now I look back and I can tell you this, if it was not for my mother’s constant, nagging way of preaching to me I would be dead. The message she drove home like nails into a wall saved my life, yes JESUS CHRIST saved me, but it was my mom’s relentless message that helped me turn my life around 15 years later.”
—– Your mother must have loved (and still does) you! to put up with that. I know I was disobedient to my mum and she always somehow knew. Its like God told her when I did something I wasn’t supposed to do and when she reproved me, it was like getting scolded but I’m glad the way it has made me the way I am, by bringing me up with Godly principles. Now its just maintaining that and walking in it. as proverbs says, train a child in the way they should go and he won’t depart when he is older OR beat a child and you will save his soul from hell (somewhere in proverbs i’ll have to check the verse).
“So, I know from experience that people might hate me (not you) but people in general reading this blog and they will curse me and they will throw their toys out their cot as to how mean I am, but I know that what I have said to them will stick with them FOREVER and it will nag them until one day they need help and it hits them like a tons of bricks, and it’s like someone turns the lights on and they realise they need Jesus Christ in their life.”
—– Amen! and what amazes me is your so confident and resolute. Oh Who can give you trouble Deborah lool! no one can!
Lee
I pray for you and I know that you will be ok.
You are right, no one can give me any trouble BECAUSE EACH MESSAGE I give is via the guidance of the Holy Spirit. He is the one typing through my fingers (if you want to put it that way) and each message is given during a time when days are dark and there is NO MORE TIME LEFT.
Jesus is coming back for His church (those born again) within the next few years; 1 year? 2 years? 3 years? 5 years? Its soon.
Lee
My mom is the bestest ever!! And my bestest friend, besides my husband. If it was not for her this blog would not be running either I can tell you that – when I’m having a tough time, she is there to lift me up and remind me that Jesus is there for me ALWAYS.
Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:
its serious times we live in. I’m actually scared to be honest, for myself and especially for those who have sought God honestly and are close to salvation or have it but are on the milk of the Word and need encouragement in the faith! but yes thanks i agree 🙂
My mum is the best as well!!! no one on this earth understands me like she does. No one has been there for me (apart from God of course) but her. No one is as genuine with the way she is with me but her. She (like you) rebukes me, loves me, cherishes me, even when she knows how I am, my faults, my ways! I told her this the other day after my dad had gone. I said if she wasn’t here, God forbid if Jesus hadn’t step in, I probably would have commited suicide or worst would have fallen away like scripture says.
Ok have read/skimmed the articles plus comments,except the Rick Warren one,
Rick warren I know is just off the rails. doesn’t he teach something like Purpose-Driven everything looool?! cos the church I was going to was modeling their purpose-driven marriage nights, singles nights like this. It was ok, except, youth like me were side-lined and convinced that God wanted us to get married and they shove it down your throat lol! I was like, I’m young and right now, I don’t want to lool.
So Calvinism basically says that certain men are elect to be saved regardless ehh?
and that we all can choose to follow God?
well that contradicts the four Gospel accounts of Matthew, Mark Luke and John then ehh lol!
Cos they all record Jesus saying that IF any man follow me, let him take up His cross. isnt this verse regarding salvation to eternal life conditional on the “IF” then to say that no one can be saved is wrong.
Secondly, John 3:16! need I say anymore?
third, so who are you supposed to preach the Gospel to then? what kind of system exists to tell those who are totally depraved from those who are elect?
and lastly, To be honest, I really do believe Paul Washer is genuine I can’t seem to believe that he is tainted with Calvinism even though yes, here and there he pushes in that direction. It was he that made me think things biblically through. I don’t think he is a false teacher in the sense of what scripture says they are but then if he is calvinist, then he is stained there. I hope God can correct him because he is one of the few I do listen to and has a heart for God and people.
really? freemansonry symbol! oh boi are u sure Debs? will have to check!
Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:
loool im sorry! those massages are top-class ;)! they don’t leave you feeling like you’ve been scammed as opposed to those false massages (aka false teachers) these massages are REAL lool!
Lee
Now you see you get the false preacher like Benny Hinny with the bad hair doo and he does things that make you really think there is something dodgy with the man, and then you get the Calvinist like Paul Washer that when he preaches he brings a lump to your throat and you want to drop to your knees and repent – the problem is Paul Washer believes he is Elect, like John MacArthur et al. Did you watch the video oh Paul Washer at the bottom of the page? oh wait that was another article… lookie here: http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/10/13/unconditional-election-and-total-depravity-are-gnostic-teachings/ <<--- this is what Paul Washer thinks of little children - but what does the bible say? hmm. Re the video and Freemason stuff, yes I am sure. I would never say stuff like that if I was not sure. In fact it was someone else who commented on this blog who pointed it out to me and I went to watch it and low and behold there it was. Here is his comment: http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/04/20/paul-washer-practice-the-presence-silence-and-meditation/#comment-50488 I watched the video and noted in a comment the minutes in the video where you see the occult symbolism and the Rod.
Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:
Benny Hinn and his dodgy hair doo loooooooool! but yeah I can see what your saying. Its just, the videos I had seen before of Paul Washer were on point like that Youth convention he preached at that made him famous in the first place, but I get what your saying. Do you think Paul Washer is a Genuine Christian who is deceived on Calvinism yet needs to be corrected as opposed to someone like…err…Benny Hinn or Kenneth Copeland? Oh “touch not my anointing” Debs loool,
“False massages” I like that, it’s funny…a bit of double humour in that as that is exactly what these stage showmen evangelists and w.o.f. preachers tend to do…they stroke the feelings and emotions of audiences to an effect of getting group approval.
ooo what happened to my last comment Debs?
[EDITED: Landed in spam section. I found it for you and approved it]
Michael wrote:
lool! most of the time, the people don’t even know what is happening since the “false massages” are forced upon them. They tell you if you reject the latest anointing from heaven, your in danger of judgement. so much goes on people miss the important bits, its because these showmen talk too fast, they do it so you won’t spot their error!
Hi Deborah!!! Hope your feeling better 😉
Guess whos coming to South Africa???……… Yep, you’ve guessed it right, none other than Benny “touch not mine anointed” Hinn loool!
Apparently he’ll be doing ‘miracle’ crusades in Cape Town, Johannesburg and some other place….ermmmm…Durban! thats it! Keep a watch and see the nonsense that comes out of it! well, we’ll see lol!
Lee
Oh my goodness I thought you were going to say YOU were coming here and I almost got excited when I read you say ‘Benny’. What a disappointment. Oh well. We win some and we loose some eh? 🙂
LOOOOL! I knew you thought that! I KNEW you might of thought I was coming! *sigh* win some loose some for sure lool. South Africa is just not within my funds lool! although I would LOVE to come! In fact, I may do one day since I do wanna travel.
Yep, just thought I’d warn ya about ‘Benny. what a disappointment lol!
Benny just got slapped w/a hoomungus law suit for breach of contract on a morality code.
Excuse my query, but what exactly is ‘ breach of contract on a morality code ‘ ? I am no Hinn supporter, just curious. Is this breach a form of tort ?
BL, I’m not suprised!!! He tried to enter the UK a couple years ago but wasn’t allowed to! He then tried to fly to paris then come here but the authorities said he couldnt come here!
ah well thats that Debs! Benny aint coming lool! But I sure am! someday!
If this is true and knowing a bit about his track record I have no reason to doubt he is probably coming to raise funds for his impending legal fees and/or possible liable cost.
This man is the lowest of the low and a charlatan of the worst order and is no longer a joke…what boggles the mind is how absolutely naive and blind those are that cannot see through him when it stands out a mile…he just spouts one lie after another. A really true Christian (that is a genuinely repented and reborn one) will NEVER accept a man being from God that tells blatant lies. It is just that there is NO CREDIBILITY or INTEGRITY the essence of believing and acceptance.