SURPRISE! Obama Wins Nobel Peace Prize!

Obama Nobel Peace Prize

SURPRISE! Obama Wins Nobel Peace Prize!

“Oh really?  What a surprise!”  *said with complete lack of emotion*

I mean honestly.  I think it’s totally amazing that someone can win a prize for winning the tournament before it’s ended.  Oh wait – Obama does not know the Bible well.

Obama is surprise winner of Nobel Peace Prize

Taken from here:  http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE5981JK20091009?sp=true

By Matt Spetalnick and Wojciech Moskwa

WASHINGTON/OSLO (Reuters) – Barack Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize on Friday in a stunning decision that honored the first-year U.S. president more for promise than achievement and drew both praise and skepticism around the world.

The bestowal of one of the world’s top accolades on a president less than nine months in office, who has yet to score a major foreign policy success, was greeted with gasps of astonishment from journalists at the announcement in Oslo.

Obama expressed surprise at winning the award, saying he felt humbled and unworthy of being counted in the company of the “transformative figures” of history who had won it.

“I do not view it as a recognition of my own accomplishments but rather an affirmation of American leadership,” he said in the White House Rose Garden. “I will accept this award as a call to action, a call for all nations to confront the common challenges of the 21st century.

The Norwegian Nobel Committee praised Obama for “his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples,” citing his fledgling push for nuclear disarmament and his outreach to the Muslim world.

Obama has been widely credited with improving America’s global image after the eight-year presidency of George W. Bush, who alienated both friends and foes with go-it-alone policies like the 2003 U.S.-led invasion of Iraq.

But critics called the Nobel committee’s decision premature, given that Obama so far has made little tangible headway as he grapples with challenges ranging from the war in Afghanistan and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict to nuclear standoffs with Iran and North Korea.

Obama, who got the news of the prize in a pre-dawn call from his press secretary, now also has the burden of living up to its expectations.

LITANY OF UNRESOLVED PROBLEMS

The first African-American to hold his country’s highest office, Obama, 48, has struggled with a litany of foreign policy problems bequeathed to him by Bush, while taking a more multilateral approach than his predecessor.

Obama acknowledged while accepting an award predicated on the pursuit of peace, he was commander-in-chief of a country in two wars. “We have to confront the world as we know it,” he said.

He received the honor the same day he was convening his war council to weigh whether to send thousands more U.S. troops to Afghanistan to turn the tide against a resurgent Taliban.

Despite troubles at home including a battered economy and fierce healthcare debate that have eroded his once-lofty approval ratings, the Democratic U.S. president is still widely seen around the world as an inspirational figure.

Very rarely has a person to the same extent as Obama captured the world’s attention and given its people hope for a better future,” the Nobel committee said in its citation.

But some analysts saw the award as a final slap in the face for Bush from the European establishment, which had resented what they saw as arrogance and recklessness in world affairs.

Obama will travel to Oslo to receive the prize on December 10, Norwegian Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg said.

While the award won praise from such statesmen as Nelson Mandela and Mikhail Gorbachev, both Nobel laureates, it was also attacked in some quarters as hasty and undeserved.

Afghanistan’s Taliban mocked the award.

Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid, speaking to Reuters by telephone from an undisclosed location, said it was absurd to give a peace award to a man who had sent 21,000 extra troops to Afghanistan, and Obama “should have won the ‘Nobel Prize for escalating violence and killing civilians.'”

Obama is considering a request from his top commander in Afghanistan to send him at least 40,000 more troops.

The Palestinian Islamist movement Hamas, which controls the Gaza Strip and opposes a peace treaty with Israel, said the award was premature at best.

EMBARRASSING “JOKE”

Nobel Committee Chairman Thorbjoern Jagland rejected suggestions from journalists that Obama was getting the prize too early, saying it recognized what he had already done over the past year.

“We hope this can contribute a little bit to enhance what he is trying to do,” he told a news conference.

Obama is the fourth U.S. president to be awarded the Nobel Peace Prize after Jimmy Carter won in 2002, Woodrow Wilson picked it up in 1919 and Theodore Roosevelt was chosen for the 1906 prize.

Issam al-Khazraji, a day laborer in Baghdad, said of Obama: “He doesn’t deserve this prize. All these problems — Iraq, Afghanistan — have not been solved … man of ‘change’ hasn’t changed anything yet.”

Liaqat Baluch, a senior leader of the Jamaat-e-Islami, a conservative religious party in Pakistan, called the award an embarrassing “joke.”

But the chief Palestinian peace negotiator, Saeb Erekat, welcomed it and expressed hope that Obama “will be able to achieve peace in the Middle East.”

While many Americans voiced pride, some were puzzled.

“It would be wonderful if I could think why he won,” said Claire Sprague, 82, a retired English professor as she walked her dog in Manhattan’s Greenwich Village. “They wanted to give him an honor I guess, but I can’t think what for.”

The committee said it attached “special importance to Obama’s vision of and work for a world without nuclear weapons,” saying he had “created a new climate in international politics.”

On other pressing issues, Obama is still searching for breakthroughs on Iran’s disputed nuclear program and on stalled Middle East peacemaking.

Israel’s foreign minister said on Thursday there was no chance of a peace deal for many years.

Zimbabwean Prime Minister Morgan Tsvangirai, who had been tipped as a favorite for the prize, told Reuters that Obama was a deserving candidate and an “extraordinary example.”

The prize is worth 10 million Swedish crowns ($1.4 million).

(Additional reporting by Oslo newsroom, Kamran Haider in Pakistan, Mohammed Assadi, Nidal al-Mughrabi in Gaza; Mark Denge in Nairobi, Jason Webb in Spain; Writing by Alistair Bell, Editing by Frances Kerry and Eric Beech)

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Amanda

Way to go, World! From The Jerusalem Post:

The stunning choice made Obama the third sitting US president to win the Nobel Peace Prize and shocked Nobel observers because Obama took office less than two weeks before the February 1 nomination deadline.

Peace and security, right around the corner. Maybe by next week?

Deborah (Discerning the World)

Ah man, there goes my holiday *cries* hehe

Pooh Bear

Are you suggesting this has something to do with the End Times?

Michael Anthony

Well, here’s one for you. Arabs have won a total of 5 nobel prizes, 3 of them for ‘peace’ when in fact for 2 of them peace was declaring war on Israel. The only one worth mentioning is Shirin Ebadi, she seemed to be an iron woman. Sadat? Well he did eventually make peace with Israel – after his army was decimated.

’tis easy to win a nobel for peace when the peace they evaluate is nothing more than perception. A real nobel prize is for something that all humans benifit from.

Arab nobel winners (let’s add obamanation to the list…)

From a pool of 1.4 BILLION Muslims which are 20% of the world’s population (2 out of every 10 people)

Literature

1988 – Najib Mahfooz

Peace

1978 – Anwar El-Sadat

1994 – Yasser Arafat *

2003 – Shirin Ebadi

Chemistry

1999 – Ahmed Zewail

Physics

Abdus Salam

* NOTE: Norwegian, Kaare Kristiansen, was a member of the Nobel Committee. He resigned in 1994 to protest the awarding of a Nobel “Peace Prize” to Yasser Arafat, whom he correctly labeled a “terrorist.”

Jewish Nobel Prize Winners
From a pool of 12 million Jews which are 0.2% of the World’s Population (2 out of every 1,000 people)

Literature

1910 – Paul Heyse

1927 – Henri Bergson

1958 – Boris Pasternak

1966 – Shmuel Yosef Agnon

1966 – Nelly Sachs

1976 – Saul Bellow

1978 – Isaac Bashevis Singer

1981 – Elias Canetti

1987 – Joseph Brodsky

1991 – Nadine Gordimer

2002 – Imre Kertesz

World Peace

1911 – Alfred Fried

1911 – Tobias Asser

1968 – Rene Cassin

1973 – Henry Kissinger

1978 – Menachem Begin

1986 – Elie Wiesel

1994 – Shimon Peres

1994 – Yitzhak Rabin

1995 – Joseph Rotblat

Chemistry

1905 – Adolph Von Baeyer

1906 – Henri Moissan

1910 – Otto Wallach

1915 – Richard Willstaetter

1918 – Fritz Haber

1943 – George Charles de Hevesy

1961 – Melvin Calvin

1962 – Max Ferdinand Perutz

1972 – William Howard Stein

1972 – C.B. Anfinsen

1977 – Ilya Prigogine

1979 – Herbert Charles Brown

1980 – Paul Berg

1980 – Walter Gilbert

1981 – Ronald Hoffmann

1982 – Aaron Klug

1985 – Herbert A. Hauptman

1985 – Jerome Karle

1986 – Dudley R. Herschbach

1988 – Robert Huber

1989 – Sidney Altman

1992 – Rudolph Marcus

1998 – Walter Kohn

2000 – Alan J. Heeger

2004 – Irwin Rose

2004 – Avram Hershko

2004 – Aaron Ciechanover

Economics

1970 – Paul Anthony Samuelson

1971 – Simon Kuznets

1972 – Kenneth Joseph Arrow

1973 – Wassily Leontief

1975 – Leonid Kantorovich

1976 – Milton Friedman

1978 – Herbert A. Simon

1980 – Lawrence Robert Klein

1985 – Franco Modigliani

1987 – Robert M. Solow

1990 – Harry Markowitz

1990 – Merton Miller

1992 – Gary Becker

1993 – Rober Fogel

1994 – John Harsanyi

1994 – Reinhard Selten

1997 – Robert Merton

1997 – Myron Scholes

2001 – George Akerlof

2001 – Joseph Stiglitz

2002 – Daniel Kahneman

2005 – Robert (Israel) Aumann

Medicine

1908 – Elie Metchnikoff

1908 – Paul Erlich

1914 – Robert Barany

1922 – Otto Meyerhof

1930 – Karl Landsteiner

1931 – Otto Warburg

1936 – Otto Loewi

1944 – Joseph Erlanger

1944 – Herbert Spencer Gasser

1945 – Ernst Boris Chain

1946 – Hermann Joseph Muller

1950 – Tadeus Reichstein

1952 – Selman Abraham Waksman

1953 – Hans Krebs

1953 – Fritz Albert Lipmann

1958 – Joshua Lederberg

1959 – Arthur Kornberg

1964 – Konrad Bloch

1965 – Francois Jacob

1965 – Andre Lwoff

1967 – George Wald

1968 – Marshall W. Nirenberg

1969 – Salvador Luria

1970 – Julius Axelrod

1970 – Sir Bernard Katz

1972 – Gerald Maurice Edelman

1975 – David Baltimore

1975 – Howard Martin Temin

1976 – Baruch S. Blumberg

1977 – Rosalyn Sussman Yalow

1977 – Andrew V. Schally

1978 – Daniel Nathans

1980 – Baruj Benacerraf

1984 – Cesar Milstein

1985 – Michael Stuart Brown

1985 – Joseph L. Goldstein

1986 – Stanley Cohen [& Rita Levi-Montalcini]

1988 – Gertrude Elion

1989 – Harold Varmus

1991 – Erwin Neher

1991 – Bert Sakmann

1993 – Richard J. Roberts

1993 – Phillip Sharp

1994 – Alfred Gilman

1994 – Martin Rodbell

1995 – Edward B. Lewis

1997 – Stanley B. Prusiner

1998 – Robert F. Furchgott

2000 – Eric R. Kandel

2002 – Sydney Brenner

2002 – Robert H. Horvitz

Physics

1907 – Albert Abraham Michelson

1908 – Gabriel Lippmann

1921 – Albert Einstein

1922 – Niels Bohr

1925 – James Franck

1925 – Gustav Hertz

1943 – Gustav Stern

1944 – Isidor Issac Rabi

1945 – Wolfgang Pauli

1952 – Felix Bloch

1954 – Max Born

1958 – Igor Tamm

1958 – Il’ja Mikhailovich

1958 – Igor Yevgenyevich

1959 – Emilio Segre

1960 – Donald A. Glaser

1961 – Robert Hofstadter

1962 – Lev Davidovich Landau

1963 – Eugene P. Wigner

1965 – Richard Phillips Feynman

1965 – Julian Schwinger

1967 – Hans Albrecht Bethe

1969 – Murray Gell-Mann

1971 – Dennis Gabor

1972 – Leon N. Cooper

1973 – Brian David Josephson

1975 – Benjamin Mottleson

1976 – Burton Richter

1978 – Arno Allan Penzias

1978 – Peter L Kapitza

1979 – Stephen Weinberg

1979 – Sheldon Glashow

1988 – Leon Lederman

1988 – Melvin Schwartz

1988 – Jack Steinberger

1990 – Jerome Friedman

1992 – Georges Charpak

1995 – Martin Perl

1995 – Frederick Reines

1996 – David M. Lee

1996 – Douglas D. Osheroff

1997 – Claude Cohen-Tannoudji

2000 – Zhores I. Alferov

2003 – Vitaly Ginsburg

2003 – Alexei Abrikosov

Let’s break that down —

* Chemistry (30 prize winners, 20% of world total, 28% of US total)
* Economics (26 prize winners, 42% of world total, 56% of US total)
* Literature (13 prize winners, 12% of world total, 27% of US total)
* Peace (9 prize winners, 9% of world total, 10% of US total)3
* Physics (47 prize winners, 26% of world total, 37% of US total)
* Physiology or Medicine (53 prize winners, 28% of world total, 41% of US total)

See also data on “other Nobels”:

* Jewish Recipients of the Kyoto Prize (25% of recipients)
* Jewish Recipients of the Wolf Foundation Prize (34% of recipients)
* Jewish Recipients of the US National Medal of Science (38% of recipients)

AdMo

And I bet none of them appeared out of nowhere, have no background history, became president soon after apearing on Oprah, are loved by 90% of the world, get a 100 day “presidential evaluation”, a Nobel prize within 9 months. Every religion except Islam accepts him in one way or another. The only criteria and I mean only criteria that Islam has not accept him as yet is because he has not brought peace to the middle east, yet.

I wonder where Rick Warren is? I have not heard from him in a while since his Obomination “prayer”. That was a typing error I mean ObAnation :)

AdMo

Pooh Bear, instead of spending time on a new age hoslistic christian approach to the gospel of Jesus Christ, we ask that you spend time understanding the gospel of Jesus Christ based on orthodix Christian teaching as preached by Jesus Christ Himself.

And yes we are in the last days, every genuine Christian knows this, it’s not a secret. Open your Bible. God commands you to study it to find yourself approved.

Your last comment: 2009/10/12 at 3:26am and our reply 2009/10/12 at 2:55am

Amanda

Michael Anthony:

Stunning!

Pooh Bear:

Hold onto your hat!

cecilia

Rick Warren is very busy. running the world (I mean the purpose-driven world) aint an easy job. latest news: 9.23.2009

NEWS RELEASE: SADDLEBACK CHURCH TO HOST CIVIL FORUM ON RECONCILIATION, SEPT. 25

Rick Warren Moderates Discussion with Rwandan President Kagame, Yale Professor Miroslav Volf on Forgiveness, Post-Genocide Nation Re-building

LAKE FOREST, Calif., Sept. 23, 2009 – Dr. Rick Warren and Saddleback Church will continue the tradition of promoting civil discourse on Friday, Sept. 25, by hosting the Saddleback Civil Forum on Reconciliation, the fourth in a series of civil forums featuring high-profile influential figures discussing current significant, yet sensitive issues. Paul Kagame, President of the Republic of Rwanda, and Croatia-native Dr. Miroslav Volf, Yale professor, will share how the transformational power of reconciliation reunified their peoples after debilitating genocides. . . . “In addition to my primary calling to proclaim the Gospel message, these Civil Forums further my three other life goals: helping individuals accept responsibility, assisting the Church in regaining credibility and encouraging our society to return to civility,” Warren explained.”

It’s been long since I heard him “proclaiming the Gospel” in public… everything is purpose driven… even in this post http://www.rickwarrennews.com/090923_civilforum.htm he can’t be mentioned without adding his title: “said Warren, founding pastor of the Orange County, Calif. mega church and author of the best-selling book, “The Purpose Driven Life.””
http://www.inthenameofpurpose.org/chp1.htm

Copyright © 2006 Tamara Hartzell, gives us the blueprint of the purpose driven business. People still get angry when I say I refused (and still do) too pray the prayer of Jabez. I will and do, pray my own prayer. nor did I do the Purpose Driven 40 day course: Rick Warren confidently declares:

“The next 40 days will transform your life.” (PDL; p. 10) so God Takes 40 Days to Prepare People for His Purposes?

It’s R.W. who placed such major emphasis on the church in statements like : “You must be connected to a church fellowship to survive spiritually.” —Rick Warren’s 40 Days of Community Workbook (Emphasis added), that most churches teach just that in our days.

I HOPE RYAN PETER READS THIS TOO!! actually local churches are not the source of “lifeblood” that gives life to our spirit! Ephesians 4:16 says absolutely nothing like that. as Tamara H. puts it: “If our spiritual life ceased to exist because we didn’t attend a local church, then the local church would be God’s redeeming agent in salvation.”

I’ll leave it at this; the whole deception where-in Rick Warren is involved, is too vast to discuss now. Read “the Purpose Driven Blueprint”.

Rick Warren programmed thousands successfully. the same R.W. said: “We believe we can learn truth — I’ve learned a lot of truth from different religions. Because they all have a portion of the truth.”- Interview with Rick Warren, CNN Larry King Live, Aired November 22, 2004, Transcript, http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0411/22/lkl.01.html.
cecilia

Pooh Bear

We’ve been in the last days for 2000 years! What makes you think it’s different now to several hundred years ago?

Deborah (Discerning the World)

Oh… ok

Amanda

Pooh Bear

The birth pangs are getting stronger and are closer together.

Michael Anthony

Pooh Bear

I don’t defend the bible – it defends itself.

2 Peter 3

2 that you may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us,[a] the apostles of the Lord and Savior, 3 knowing this first: that scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts, 4 and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation.” 5 For this they willfully forget: that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of water and in the water, 6 by which the world that then existed perished, being flooded with water. 7 But the heavens and the earth which are now preserved by the same word, are reserved for fire until the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
8 But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us,[b] not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night….

Pooh Bear,

Your words are a literal fulfillemnt of verse 4.

But the answer is this —

Matthew 16:3
And in the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowering. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?

It’s called knowing (discerning) the time of his coming. Like, let me me think – the parable of the fig tree – ring a bell?

Michael Anthony

Let me help you out here.

I just found this site,it seems OK from what I read.

http://www.focusonjerusalem.com/

They have a fairly good article on the parable of the fig tree.

http://www.focusonjerusalem.com/israelandthefigtree.html

Pooh Bear

I’m serious. Sure things have changed, but you could apply similar arguments to the events 100 years ago, and reach similar conclusions!

Do you honestly believe Obama is the anti-christ (or an accomplice)?

Pooh Bear

Michael,
I’m not arguing that the Bible teaches those things will happen in the end. But to jump to conclusions that it’s happening right now is, I think, a little presumptuous. Paul seemed to think it would happen in his own lifetime, and many believers have thought the same all the way through history. But what if it takes another 200 years? Then will we look back and say we were wrong about Obama?

Deborah (Discerning the World)

Pooh Bear

>> but you could apply similar arguments to the events 100 years ago

Difference is, many biblical prophecies were not yet fullfilled. They are now…only a few more to go.

>> Do you honestly believe Obama is the anti-christ (or an accomplice)?

He is something that is for sure. Not sure what, but I can tell you Mugabe was No.1 on my “dictators I don’t like list” and Obama overtook him.

Michael Anthony

Pooh Bear

Really?
So 100 years ago Israel was back in their land? Are you actually reading these posts and the reference to prophecies and the signs Jesus explicitly stated as a sign of his coming?

Who said Obama is the anti-christ? Accomplice? Huh?

Pre trib Christians do not actually beleive they will be around when the man of sin is reavealed. Could you please make an actual, intelligent case for you beleif. And – huh – try and use a scriptural exegesis to support your views.

Pooh Bear

Wow! You put Obama higher than Mugabe?? Incredible.
What did he do to win that place?

Michael Anthony

DTW,

I am sure this is an old hat to you.

Matthew 24 – Olivet discourse – although it is the same audience (disciples) Jesus switches between addressing them as representatives of the church as well as addressing them as Jews (Israel). With that in mind I would say that every pre-rapture (church) prophecy has literally been fullfilled. As for the tribulation and beyond that we have the news in advance with graphic foresight.

Which means our Lord and Saviour could come at any moment.

Deborah (Discerning the World)

Michael

>> I don’t defend the bible – it defends itself.

Oh I love that comment. In fact I think I have an old article on just this. I hope I still got it.

Deborah (Discerning the World)

Pooh Bear

>> Wow! You put Obama higher than Mugabe?? Incredible.
What did he do to win that place

He got the Nobel prize? *that was a joke*

Deborah (Discerning the World)

Michael

Hey, does that hat comment have any extra meaning by any chance? lol If not, then please ignore this question and make like you have no idea what I am talking about.

And indeed Jesus is COMING AT ANY MOMENT. He told us to WATCH and PRAY and that is what we do.

Michael Anthony

Ok Pooh Bear,

Let me give you some historical ‘insight’

When Paul wrote 2Thess Christ (that would be Jesus Christ, our risen Lord) could have come at any moment ….6 years later the Romans destroyed the temple (70 AD) – Matt 24. Do you see a problem? All of a sudden Christ could not come at any moment (although Christians should live as if he will) because there was no temple or man of sin to sit in the temple and fulfill propecies etc etc.

Then Israel came back into their land in 1948. They are talkimg about rebuilding the temple as we speak.

You connecting the prophetic dots yet?

Michael Anthony

Pooh Bear

>> Wow! You put Obama higher than Mugabe?? Incredible.
What did he do to win that place? >>

Let me give you some hints;

Globalist agenda driven
Abortion
Socialism
Spending tax payers money like a drunken sailor and accelerating the demise of the dollar and the introduction of a worldwide currency
Throwing Israel under the bus
Anti gun laws
Fairness doctrine to muzzle conservative voices
Most pro homosexual president ever (even celebrating the practice publicly)
Obama youth movement (indoctrination of the youth – mandatory 2 months during 18-25 yrs)

Just some hints

Pooh Bear

Michael,
I haven’t stated any case. I’m simply trying to figure out what this article is supposed to imply. Obama’s winning of the Nobel prize may have been a little “early”, but I’m struggling to see how it has anything to do with fulfillment of prophecy. Can you enlighten me?

Deborah (Discerning the World)

Michael

>> Obama youth movement (indoctrination of the youth – mandatory 2 months during 18-25 yrs)

Now that I didn’t know…

Deborah (Discerning the World)

Pooh Bear

>> Can you enlighten me?

We don’t do enlightening or any form of enlightenment here at Discerning the World we are born again Christians.

You are asking way silly questions, so silly that I am thinking of again telling you to come back when you are tired of trying to provoke a stupid response from me which you can see I have been doing since today.

When you wake up, I shall focus my attention on you again, for now I have some world news to watch – you can watch it too, it’s on tv, quite visible for all to see, the news reporters even go so far as to give the viewer BIG hints on the coming one world order. If you missed it which I am sure you might have the one world currency is out just ready to be put into use. I pray that Jesus has returned before this comes about. What about you? You want the currency first?

Pooh Bear

DTW,
So I can’t use a word that has ANY similarity with a New Age word? I wasn’t referring to that kind of enlightenment.

I’m not being facetious, so I apologize if my questions are silly, but God knows my heart, that they are genuine questions. I feel like you’ve already pre-judged me without knowing me, without testing “the fruit”, and every comment I make you interpret through those eyes. I’m a “good ol’ brethren”, but you speak to me as if I’m a pagan!

I also feel as if one is only welcome here if they share the same views about everything with you! I’m not saying that the One World order is not a possibility, I’m just hesitant to jump to conclusions prematurely.

Pooh Bear

Michael,
What do the following have to do with Eschatology:
Socialism
Anti gun laws
Fairness doctrine to muzzle conservative voices

And yes, as much as I’m anti-abortion etc, I see it simply as the government giving the people what they want!

Michael Anthony

>>I haven’t stated any case. I’m simply trying to figure out what this article is supposed to imply. Obama’s winning of the Nobel prize may have been a little “early”, but I’m struggling to see how it has anything to do with fulfillment of prophecy. Can you enlighten me?>>

That’s a false dichotomy.

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