Thabo Mbeki, Jacob Zuma and Angus Buchan

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Is Jacob Zuma a Freemason?  This is one of the Google searches that came through on my stats.   And this got me thinking about information I had read recently.

Well is Zuma a Freemason?  I don’t know the answer to this question.  But I can tell you, it would not come as a surprise.   There are many well known ‘Christian’ preachers who are Freemasons that infiltrated the church decades ago to slowly introduce another message that opposes the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

I found an interesting comment made here:   about the difference between Thabo Mbeki and Jacob Zuma.   Basically the commenter is saying that Thabo Mbeki is a Freemason elitist who studied in the UK.  Zuma is a man of the people with no elitist education.  Mbeki had too much control and made his own decisions, Zuma relies on advisers.

Zuma was the best possible candidate to lead  South Africa into transformation and it’s spreading across the rest of Africa.  It’s happening fast and it’s happening furiously.

The day after Zuma was inaugurated it seemed like someone else was writing the news scripts for SABC.  For the first time the word Emerging was said loud and clear.  The next night it was said again then again and again.  Now you can hear words like emerging, merging, transforming and derivatives thereof.  This evening I heard on Classic FM news the words, a ‘New World Order’ that needs to be established  in connection with the current global crisis.   The New Age in South Africa does not need to hide anymore, it’s out in the open – but no one sees it – everyone has been blinded by the Angel of Light.

Odd, how the SABC literally collapsed overnight.  The people who appointed the people to run the SABC were ‘surprised’ that the company had accumulated so much debt, they never noticed until it was too late. This country was changed in more ways than one since Zuma’s inauguration. The SABC was one of them; the corporation needed to be changed/transformed with no opposition so that the New Age message could be broadcast 24/7.

And now Angus Buchan is writing a book called ‘Come of Age’.  Why this title?   Faith like Potatoes II would have sufficed just as well.  But no, we have to show our grass roots and hint more strongly that we are indeed in a New Age, with a new message, and a new gospel.

Anyhow, it does not matter if Jacob Zuma is a Freemason or not, or that Thabo Mbeki studied in the UK and is a Freemason along with Desmon Tutu (see article here: or that Angus Buchan is part of the New Apostolic Reformation.     They are ALL just little pawns being used by those at the very top controlling the world, the ones who can switch this man made recession on and off like a like switch.

Angus says, you must worry about recession…

Angus says on his blog:

“… this recession will pass us very soon but in the meantime we will continue to trust in our Lord.”

Well Angus, you are right, this recession will pass (but only for a short time), but not because you think the world is transforming and people are coming to God left right and centre, hence He will shine down favour and prosperity on this country and Africa for that matter.

No Angus, it will look like it’s going to get better because the Man of Lawlessness needs this time to come out and show himself as ‘the man with a great plan’ and his plan works, and everyone will love him, more than they do now.

[Edited:  21Jul09.   I just noticed something that I did not spot last night.  Interesting that Angus says “this recession will pass us very soon but in the meantime we will continue to trust in our Lord’

In the meantime?  So after the recession you can relax in your faith?  As if the recession is the only problem this world is facing.  What about SIN Angus?  Sin is the biggest dilemma a person (an individual) on this earth will EVER face, but you are worried about the recession.

I am making a calculated guess that after this recession passes you will preach how great God is, how He loves the world, and because of the great numbers who are coming to Him it’s a sign that His Kingdom is almost set up on earth.

All you need is faith and love to make this happen faster – you don’t need to preach the full gospel of Jesus Christ or a genuine message of repentance of sin, a watered down version is perfectly fine.

You will preach how the government is taking a moral stand on corruption, you will preach more to the poorer people of South Africa, and then move your crusades into other parts of Africa and even Amercia.  You will report back on how African countries are changing and coming to your Lord.   The transformation of Africa is going to be out of this world.]

Oh Lord Jesus, come quickly!


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21 Responses

  1. Discerning The World says:

    Oh yes, are they not going to make him the permanent president? Before it was a roaming presidency where everyone got a turn. So much for ‘sharing’ in this new world of ours.

  2. *Oh Lord Jesus, come quickly!

    Amen to that.

    Just as we knew Obama would be elected, we knew Zuma would be elected, i’m really interested to see who will be elected to preside over Europe, thats not so clear for some reason. Might be something thats going on in the dark:)


  3. Discerning The World says:

    Yeah that Javier Solana seems a good candidate as well. I saw him on tv the other day with Gordon Brown speaking about the plan to fix the world financial crisis. I thought this was odd that Gordon Brown was helping Solana. No one thinks Brown is capable of handling anything let alone helping to fixing the worlds financial crisis.

    Oh I found the most disturbing (well not that everything else is not disturbing) article last night on another building that shows some stuff that leaves one rather dumbfounded.

    I think I will write about that today, and what you said above about the EU head office will fit in nicely.

    How’s NZ? I think the weather is colder here…no really lol.

  4. Amanda says:

    Tony Blair, the Catholic?

  5. Discerning The World says:

    Our heater stopped working last night for no reason. I did check that I plugged it into the wall. It’s not a user problem 😉

  6. Tony Blair seems to be out of favour, with a strong Spanish contingent( being backed by Javier Solana) coming forward, something to watch i reckon. Has anyone seen the EU head office building in Brussels- looks like an unfinished tower of Babel, and the woman on the bull statue outside it?

  7. Hi yeah have a look at the tower they’ve built, its quite interesting, would like to hear about the building you mentioned. NZ winter is not bad, except its wet, so much different to what we inlanders are used to. Doesn’t go under freezing point, except in the mountains and the bottom of the South Island:)

  8. Debbie says:

    I have done so many things wrong in my life but as I grow, the Holy Spirit shows me and I repent and change. Still today, I am still growing and changing. It is interesting how some people are not growing up themselves, they just keep pointing fingers and critisizing everyone else. Well I say, lets take a look at their personal lives and point out every little thing wrong with them…. No, no, no this is not Gods way, He says “don’t judge, rather take the log out of your own eye before you try and get the speck out of someone elses eye”. I am all for correction and discipline, but you only discipline those you love – you do not discipline someone you hate and have no relationship with. So go ahead and bring correction and discipline in your church and in your family – IF YOU LOVE THEM. When you bring correction without relationship, you breed rebellion. I’m not sure who writes these articles but they seem to be by people who are trying to prove how they are so right and know everything and how everyone else is soooo wrong. They exagerate and magnify everything people do. Imagine if Jesus had to do that with all your downfalls, your parenting mistakes, bad attitudes, etc, etc. Get over yourself sweetheart – you don’t want everyone to see this – try show a little love – and cover some people sins – so that others will do the same for you. Family is about living with some people who you don’t always like, who rub you up the wrong way, but you LOVE Them anyway. lots of love – your sister

  9. Debbie

    You will know them by their fruits. The bible asks you to be Berean and judge people who preach falsely, judge the words that they speak. If what they say contradicts the Word of God then you are too SPEAK UP. You are too judge what they say and test what they say so that you and your loved ones are not led astray. Do you want to be led astray?

    And the verse “don’t judge, rather take the log out of your own eye before you try and get the speck out of someone else’s eye” is regarding someone’s SIN. PLEASE TELL ME WHERE I have pointed out anyone’s sin in this article? I have however pointed out that they preach falsely and speak lies,

    Regarding your logic, if anything ever happens to you of your loved ones, if someone were to hurt them physically, please cast the log out your own eye before taking the perpetrator (you have no relationship with and do not love) to court that they receive their just punishment for the crime they committed. If anyone were to tell you lies, give you false information that is detrimental to your relationship with Jesus Christ, please cast the log out of your eye and let them carry on lying instead of speaking up so that others lives are not ruined (because you have no relationship with them and do not love them). You say, “When you bring correction without relationship, you breed rebellion.” Yeah….rightttt….

    Judging Others
    Matthew 7: 1-5
    1 “Do not judge so that you will not be judged. 2 “For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you. 3 “Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? 4 “Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ and behold, the log is in your own eye? 5 “You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye.

    The Two Foundations
    Matthew 7:14-27
    24 “Therefore everyone who hears these words of Mine and acts on them, may be compared to a wise man who built his house on the rock. 25 “And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and yet it did not fall, for it had been founded on the rock. 26 “Everyone who hears these words of Mine and does not act on them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand. 27 “The rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and it fell—and great was its fall.”

    A Tree and Its Fruit
    Matthew 7: 15-23

    15 “Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16 “You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they? 17 “So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 “A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit. 19 “Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 “So then, you will know them by their fruits.
    21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. 22 “Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ 23 “And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTISE LAWLESSNESS.’

    ps, stop judging others

  10. Amanda says:


    When you bring correction without relationship, you breed rebellion. I’m not sure who writes these articles but they seem to be by people who are trying to prove how they are so right and know everything and how everyone else is soooo wrong. They exagerate and magnify everything people do.

    Are you under the influence of Dr. Stephan Joubert or Dr. Guilaume Smit or any DRC? How do you feel about the emergent revolution?

  11. Paul Briers says:

    “Are you under the influence of Dr. Stephan Joubert or Dr. Guilaume Smit or any DRC? How do you feel about the emergent revolution?”

    Wow! Who writes all this stuff? Who spends an awful lot of time surfing, investigating, browsing online? All this whilst Africans – everyday – go to a Christ-less eternity? I’m a missionary in South Africa…I’ve seen much injustice, much heresy and had my fill of false teaching……

    HOWEVER, the greatest sin is what I’ve just witnessed….pages and pages and pages of wasted time! All of you, contributors – bloggers – writers – get away from your computers for just one day and go and do something worthwhile in this broken world…Come to think of it – I’ve just wasted 30 minutes on this rubbish myself!

  12. Paul

    You said: Dr. Stephan Joubert or Dr. Guillaume Smit or any DRC? How do you feel about the emergent revolution?

    Ooooo now we know who and what you support. Busted.

    >> HOWEVER, the greatest sin is what I’ve just witnessed….All of you, contributors – bloggers – writers….

    Well that beats Guillaume Smit calling me a demon and Thomas Lessing from Waak en Bid an agent of the devil. Right now….this moment, thanks to you….I can see how worthwhile/important preaching the Gospel is to a broken world.

    PS, Stephan Joubert and Guillaume Smit plus a few thousand others use the internet, facebook, twitter, and a website I won’t even mention cell phones. By the way, are you using wireless or 3g to connect? lol

    Anyhow, I kindly ask you go and give both of them mouthful.

    Oh great diversion, posting your comment under another article when you should have posed it under the one re:- Dr. Stephan Joubert or Dr. Guillaume Smit

    Oh, I am sure you will be back to read (not necessarily comment) The stress to oppose me will be too much to handle.

  13. Michael Anthony says:

    No Deborah – this dude belongs to the new Elijah club, it’s called the ‘ I am the only one doing anything for Jesus and the rest you are all useless apostates – club’. Only thing he did not add was the standard ‘do not judge’ signature against you because that would seem…well, rude.

    He seems to imply that he is the only one who has seen injustice, preaches the Gospel and exposes false teaching. (He got all this information through his PC screen). Dude, you dont know where anybody here has been.


    Here’s a hint;

    ‘Mirror, mirror on the gospel wall…(the rest of the sentence goes here)’

    When you can finish that riddle take a valium. And a deep breath.

    Show me one instance of anything on this blog that contradicts clear biblically mandated warnings against error. Oh wait, I forgot – we are all supposed to give up the jobs God gave us, stop supporting our families, suddenly elect ourselves with our own calling and go into africa (wait – we are already here) and go and preach to africans – because that sounds dangerous and a higher calling and more saintlike.
    Dude, are you on some ego complex? How do you sudenly judge where we are individually called to be and what we are doing for the gospel?

    Oh, wait – you are the fairest of them all. So that makes you the rightful accuser.

    Are you sure you are a missionary, not ‘missional’?

    I am also a missionary, everybody in my office has been witnessed to. Maybe I should stop witnessing to them because africans are more precious (You sure you not from Belguim?). Oh wait, they are Africans.


  14. Just pondering: Paul Briers you have just insulted every person who has a desk job. Well done.

    I myself chose a desk job because the last plant I had, died a horrible death due to being over watered, and the one before that and the one before that. I’ve stopped buying plants and chose IT instead. I strongly felt that if I went out into the ‘missional’ field more people would succumb to starvation if I got hold of their crops than if I just went out to work like everyone else.

    So I think a ‘thank you’ and ‘apology’ is in order. I have in a way done more than any fake carbon foot print count could ever do.

    Regarding apology and even a glimmer of a thank you. Don’t worry Paul, I’ll let you off the hook. I get lambasted with this kinda stuff all the time, it’s cool, I can handle it.

  15. Amanda says:

    Paul Briers

    Wow! Who writes all this stuff?

    I did.

    Who spends an awful lot of time surfing, investigating, browsing online?

    I do.

    All this whilst Africans – everyday – go to a Christ-less eternity?

    You mean ‘hell’? So do members of the DRC.

    I’ve seen much injustice, much heresy and had my fill of false teaching……

    You are a member too?

    HOWEVER, the greatest sin is what I’ve just witnessed….pages and pages and pages of wasted time!

    The greatest sin? Where do you find that in the Bible?

    All of you, contributors – bloggers – writers – get away from your computers for just one day and go and do something worthwhile in this broken world…

    Firstly, we do not take orders from emergent types.

    Secondly, I have Good News for you, that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world. (1 John 4:14)So now we know that

    whatever the law says it speaks to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be stopped, and the whole world may be held accountable to God. For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin. But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it– the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction: for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God’s righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins. It was to show his righteousness at the present time, so that he might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus. Then what becomes of our boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? By a law of works? No, but by the law of faith. For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law.
    (Romans 3:19-28)

    Christians are saved by faith and not works. We know the Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ who shed his innocent blood for us, the guilty, rebellious sinners.

    Yet Dr. Stephan Joubert told Christians that truth can be found in other religions too and Dr. Guilluame Smit said that we can learn from the New Age. I am concerned about this teaching spreading in the flock.

  16. Amanda says:

    Christians, do not be fooled by Paul Briers that the remedy for the ‘greatest sin’ is to go out and do something ‘worthwhile’.

    Here is an interesting thread posted by Chris Rosebrough at Extreme Theology. In his article he lays out the difference between a man centered church and a Christ centered church, a very good read. In one of his comments he says this:

    As for Titus 3. Again you have mischaracterized my position. I have no argument with Titus 3 whatsoever.

    Let me quote what you just quoted. “Such works, however, no man performs unless he first believes that God has forgiven him his sins and has given him eternal life by grace, for Christ’s sake, without any works of his own”

    Good works flow from a faith that is locked on Jesus Christ and the grace and mercy extended to them by His Cross. The preaching of the forgiveness of sins is NOT something done as if it were a flu shot that you give to non-believers (which is what the churches I am writing against do). Instead preaching for repentance of Sins and faith in Christ for the forgiveness of sins is the very preaching that produces good works in Christians.

    The people who I’ve written against in this post are those who do not abide in Christ but reduce Him to a mere example. They preach the gospel on the rarest of occasions and NEVER preach it to Christians. They think the gospel is baby stuff and that the law is meat and they couldn’t be more wrong. Read Galatians.

    The problem with these churches is that UNLIKE God’s Word they primarly focus on the ‘good works’ lists in the epistles and fail to acknowledge that all of those lists are preceded by clear presentations of our sins and Christ’s forgiveness won on the cross and offered to us as a gift by faith. Keep in mind that EVERY SINGLE epistle was written to Christians and they all discuss good works IN LIGHT of the gospel and never apart from it. The churches I am writing against in this post DO NOT preach good works in light of the Gospel. They preach GOSPEL-LESS GOOD Works. This preaching does not cultivate true good works. It produces pharisees.

    If you want to cultivate true good works then you do it by preaching the law to condemn sins and preaching the forgiveness of sins won by Christ. Good works flow like a river when the Christ, forgiveness and the gospel are front and center because the gospel produces repentance and faith. The gospel turns a goat into a sheep. The gospel turns a bad tree into a good tree and good trees can’t help but produce good fruit, its what they do. The gospel is the message of God’s kindness to wretched sinners like you and like me and it is God’s kindness that leads us to repentance.

    As for your tacit assertion that I am quarrelsome and stirring up division, again you are off the mark.

    I take no joy in challenging and refuting people who are teaching false doctrine. Yet the scriptures tell us to do that.

    Titus 1:9 He must hold firm to the trustworthy word as taught, so that he may be able to give instruction in sound doctrine and also to rebuke those who contradict it.

    Titus 1:10 For there are many who are insubordinate, empty talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision party. 11 They must be silenced, since they are upsetting whole families by teaching for shameful gain what they ought not to teach.

    2Tim. 4:1 I charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by his appearing and his kingdom: 2 preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching. 3 For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, 4 and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths.

    Futher down a commentator says:

    I don’t mean to overstate my case here, but it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to work out that between your professional and family obligations and the voluminous articles that you post AND your podcast recordings, you wouldn’t have time to mow your lawn let alone do any ‘works’. As they say ‘the devil is in the details’. Based on how you live, the most deductively valid conclusion I could come up with is that, for you to preach and teach the importance of works, it would be counterintuitive. The concept is almost foreign to you because you don’t live it, either because you can’t or because you choose not to. That’s not to say that you can’t be involved vicariously via financial support or other means but it is highly unlikely that your lifestyle’s pace permits you to actively engage in any form of works. As a result (I believe), it comes through in the balance of your theology. In Jimmy Swaggart’s case his lifestyle shaped his theology the other way around, he used to often preach against sexual sin because he was living it.

    Chris’ response:

    First off, I want you to know that I am not going to take this comment personally. Instead, I want to focus on your presuppositions and the fact that you have a definition of ‘good works’ that excludes works done in one’s vocation as a good works. This is a fatal deficiency in your definition of good works.

    God and God alone is the one who decides what a good work is and God has laid out a much different and far broader definition of ‘good works’ in scripture than the definition that you currently hold.

    Let me give a few passages of scripture that bear this out.

    1Th. 4:9 Now concerning brotherly love you have no need for anyone to write to you, for you yourselves have been taught by God to love one another, 10 for that indeed is what you are doing to all the brothers throughout Macedonia. But we urge you, brothers, to do this more and more, 11 and to aspire to live quietly, and to mind your own affairs, and to work with your hands, as we instructed you, 12 so that you may walk properly before outsiders and be dependent on no one.

    Notice that God the Holy Spirit inspired Paul to urge people to “work with their hands” and “be dependent on no one”. Therefore, if you and I have jobs and are working productively and paying our bills then WE ARE doing good works.

    This next section of scripture lays out all kinds of ‘good works’.

    Eph. 6:1 Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right. 2 “Honor your father and mother” (this is the first commandment with a promise), 3 “that it may go well with you and that you may live long in the land.” 4 Fathers, do not provoke your children to anger, but bring them up in the discipline and instruction of the Lord.

    Eph. 6:5 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with fear and trembling, with a sincere heart, as you would Christ, 6 not by the way of eye-service, as people-pleasers, but as servants of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart, 7 rendering service with a good will as to the Lord and not to man, 8 knowing that whatever good anyone does, this he will receive back from the Lord, whether he is a slave or free. 9 Masters, do the same to them, and stop your threatening, knowing that he who is both their Master and yours is in heaven, and that there is no partiality with him.

    Let me summarize these passages by saying that being an obedient respectful child is a good work.

    Being a good father is a good work.

    Being a good employee (slave) and working as unto the Lord is a good work.

    Being a good employer (master) is a good work.

    I could list many more passages of scripture that say that being a good mom is a good work, being a good wife is a good work, being a good husband is a good work… etc. Are you getting the picture?

    The second commandment tells us to love and serve our neighbor. I serve my neighbor by serving my wife by being a good husband, by serving my children by being a good father, by serving my customers through the services Vendtegrity offers, by providing jobs for my employees through Vendtegrity, oh and from time to time I even have the privilege of serving my neighbor by teaching the word of God.

    NS, I don’t have ‘vicarious’ good works. My life is filled with a bountiful harvest of good works and I am always looking for greater ways to serve my neighbors through the gifts and provisions that God has given because I am never satisfied with the good works I am doing and want to do even more. The joy that this brings to my life cannot be measured. I am truly a blessed man.

    I think it is truly sad that your definition of Good Works causes you to miss what Good Works truly are. If you better understood the Biblical definition of Good Works you would have never said of me that “it is highly unlikely that your lifestyle’s pace permits you to actively engage in any form of works.”

    In fact, the litany of things that I do, that you listed off as evidence against me are actually the very fruits and good works that God is producing in my life.

  17. louise says:

    NWO a word that will be around till the very end of time. The issue of us having to register our cell phone numbers is not related to “Keeping SA a safer place”. Its about control. South Africa, Australia and Norway are the guinea pigs when it comes to the NWO. Explain to me how my cell phone will protect me if I am killed in my own home by robbers. Its all words that seem pleasing, and people like John Robbie who is such a left wing with his RA RA cheering gets me angry, which is a sin.
    The elite are behind whats happening in this country not the ANC,
    and that Elite are Satanic.

  18. David Martens says:

    Mat 15:23 But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.
    Mat 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

    Does the church and the missionaries really know and teach the Jesus of the Bible?

    Or do they know better what and for whom His mission to earth was?

    The Exclusive God of and for an Exclusive people – the house of Israel!!! The true Israel

  19. David Martens

    Are you an Israelite (Jew)?

  20. Darryl says:

    David Martens

    “The Exclusive God of and for an Exclusive people – the house of Israel!!! The true Israel”

    Out of all the contributors here your are the only one who is awakened. Good for you!

    To all the others here I suppose you would tell me that Jesus was a jew.
    So much false doctrine being taught you really need to be awake these days.

  21. Darryl

    Replacement Theology is as bad as idolatry. And by the way, Jesus was a Jew. He is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

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