Emergent – Another Student at TUKS Theology Loses the Plot
Emergent – Another Student at TUKS Theology Loses the Plot
Freddie honestly believes that born again Christians and the Emergent Christian are the same. Freddie honestly believes therefore that when ‘Christians’ are questioning what they believe and preach they are actually attacking them. They cry, “Why do Christians attack other Christians!!”
[The answer – because there are two types of Christians in this world; genuine Christians who follow the true gospel of Jesus Christ, who will never deny, insult or mock Jesus Christ in any way. And then we have the fake Christians who follow a False Christ and in doing so deny, insult and mock the true Jesus Christ the only Son of God.]
Below is a ‘contemplation‘ as Emergents would call it by Freddie, a student from the University of Pretoria. I have added my comments in green.
Reaching out to others: Deception in the Church?
[DTW comments in green]
I’m really typing here without plannig first, so I hope I make sense.
The last few days and weeks there has been lots of accusations against some of the pastors in the churches that I attend, as well as a renewed attack on some of the lecturers at the place I study.
[Why don’t you mention WHY you are being questioned? We question your anti-gospel teaching Freddie and that you lead the people who attend your church astray with anti-Christ reaching! How dare you!]
I also have some infrequent chats with people on my other blog site about the so called “emergent” movement. And they refer me to all kinds of places that attacks the above-mentioned groups of people. (And here South Africans has really come onto the worldmap, as targets of attack!!)
[Of course an Emergent blog would be the FIRST place you would go too for support. Because you are a New Age Christian. The FIRST place you should have gone too was the Bible to see if the things you have been taught by your ohhh sooo smart lecturers at university is REALLY true….
Tell me something, if you had studied Mathematics as a subject and your Professor (the one you rely on for the TRUTH, the GENUINE answer) told you something different and at the end, the entire class, every student landed up with the same answer BUT the answer was INCORRECT. So some students went to check only to find out that what the Professor told them was incorrect because what he taught did not line up with the basics of mathematics. But you yourself never checked to see if your Professor actually followed the correct formula to find the RIGHT answer, you just took his word for it. Then came your exams and you fail. You can’t understand why. Tell me, would you go and find out why you failed, or would you attempt to write the exam again and again and again using the same false teaching you received in class?]
I laid awake last night thinking why this is happening. Why do Christians attack other Christians. One of my pastors, Ds. Stephan Joubert, always says, “Why is it that the only community or group that fights with each other are the Christians?”
[Christians are not attacking Christians. Because New Age ‘Christians’ are NOT Christian. You are part of the Roman Catholic church. That’s it Freddie, the answer to your question! If you want to follow a theology that completely OPPOSES the Gospel of Jesus Christ then PLEASE change your title and stop calling yourself a Christian. Hindu’s call themselves Hindu’s not Christians, Wiccan’s call themselves Wiccan and not Christian. Why do they grasp the concept that because they oppose the teachings of Christianity that they are not Christian, but you just don’t get it! Stephan Joubert is a Dr is his studies and he can’t grasp the concept either.]
We talk to people who are not Christian, showing love, but doesn’t show the same love to our own brothers and sisters!!
[When you show your love to non-Christians, do you sit with them and preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ, that Jesus is fully human and fully God, born of the Holy Spirit. Sent by God to die for the sins of all mankind. That Jesus Christ the ONLY Son of God that died the most gruesome death on a cross so that our sins will be washed away by His Blood. But this gift is only for those who believe in Him and genuinely repent of their sin, then you shall become born again by God’s Holy Spirit. This gift however is not available to those who refuse to believe in Jesus Christ the Son of God but instead follow false doctrines, a false Christ and doctrines of demons. Do you say this to them Freddie, or does your love only mean you agree with them, that we are all on the same path, just different stages, but if they accept Christ everything will change for them. A transformation will take place and if everyone on earth just did this, what a wonderful place the world would be? Is that your version of the gospel?]
My real reason for writing this came to me this morning. The question I asked myself was this: How do you reach people?
[You don’t reach people Freddie, God is the one that does the speaking and reaching, BUT people reject His Son Jesus Christ, they prefer wickedness (disguised as love) over Him. When Jesus said that we are to go out and preach the Gospel, He meant the TRUTH, not LIES. I myself would be very upset if I found out that someone came to me and lied to me, I am sure you would be pretty angry if you found out that you had been lied to as well.]
(Jesus said,) “I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit. You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you. Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me. I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing.”
[You will NEVER reach anyone without the TRUE vine Jesus Christ the Son of God in your life.]
So, how do you reach people? By judging them? By ignoring them? Or do you love them? Do you accept them as people?
[Do we accept them as people? What on earth does that mean? Do you not understand that speaking the TRUTH (which sounds like judgement to you) IS loving someone! When your father reprimanded when you were younger did you honestly think he HATED you? How can speaking the Truth to someone be called hatred?]
Is it possible for you to accept people as people?
[Well I accept that you are a ‘people’ lol. This at the end of the day still does NOT mean you are following Jesus Christ the Son of God]
Is it possible to start loving people and still judge them? How is that possible?
[I answered this question above]
I know I have a dream of a Church (Body of Christ), who will go to the world with a message of love and acceptance.
[Believe it or not, of which there is a good chance you wont, that the Body of Christ is ONLY made up of truly born again Christians. The Bible says that when Jesus Christ returns will he possibly find any faith left on earth? Is the Bible contradicting you? Or are you contradicting God?]
But does my love and acceptance means that I am going to discard my believes? No way! But I am not willing to force my believes on someone! That is a sure way to break a realtionship and end any chance for me (or even any future Christian) to try and reach a person!
[You said: But does my love and acceptance means that I am going to discard my believes? No way!
I sincerely hope you don’t believe this! You are not willing to force you beliefs on people? Well I got news for you Freddie, you don’t have too, because your beliefs are EXACTLY the same as every non-Christian throughout the world. All religions lead to the same god as far as the New Light teaching in the world, the only difference is you need to convince people with ‘love’ that this god is Christ and that this Christ accepts EVERYONE as people – no need to repent of their sin, no, no, noooo. Can’t say that ever! We can’t in any way chase our future converts to the False Christ away, because this False Christ does not need people to repent of their sins.]
God so loved the WORLD… (not the saved) …that He sent His Son… Think about that the next time you stand ready to judge someone who might just do things different than you.
[Um, wrong! Go read that book called the Bible that I hope you used when you studied to be a pastor. This god you speak of is a fake Christ. The False Christ which Jesus said would come to deceive the entire world (you are part of this world are you not, a ‘people’? Part of a global community all running after a False Christ. Seeking an experience; something that will make them think they have heard the voice of God, because they lack this in their lives. Not realising that what they hear is NOT from God]
[Please actually read these scriptures below Freddie, don’t just pass over them…]
(Jesus said) “I am the Way and the Truth and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.”
[This means that if you DON’T accept Jesus Christ the Son of God as your saviour, repent of your sin, you have NO ACCESS to God.]
Jesus answered and said to him “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
(Jesus said) “Assuredly, I say to you, unless you are converted and become as little children, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.”
(Jesus said) “I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish.
Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you.”
Then Jesus spoke to them again, saying, “I am the light of the world. He who follows Me shall not walk in darkness, but have the light of life.”
“I am One who bears witness of Myself, and the Father who sent Me bears witness of Me.” Then they said to Him, “Where is Your Father?” Jesus answered, “You know neither Me nor My Father. If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also.” And He said to them, “You are from beneath; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world. Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins”
Then Jesus said to them again, “Most assuredly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep. All who ever came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them. I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture. The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly. I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd gives His life for the sheep.”
[He did not give His life for thieves/wolves who REFUSE to believe, BUT if they CHOOSE to believe and REPENT of their SIN, they will become Jesus’ sheep.]
(Jesus said,) “And I gave her time to repent of her sexual immorality, and she did not repent. Indeed I will cast her into a sickbed, and those who commit adultery with her into great tribulation, unless they repent of their deeds. And I will kill her children with death. And all the churches shall know that I am He who searches the minds and hearts.”
[He searches you HEART Freddie. If you speak blasphemies, then this is in your heart too.]
(Jesus said,) “I am the good shepherd; and I know My sheep, and am known by My own.”
[Does Jesus know who you are? Are you one of his sheep? Are you genuinely saved? The verses above clearly shows that if you do not know Jesus Christ the Son of God, He does not know you! And because He does not know you, you will die a spiritual death and be cast into a lake of fire that burns forever!
Did you know that hell was made for SATAN, the False Christ who has been deceiving the world since the beginning, but he is now working overtime. Satan will not torture you in hell, He will burn with you. Hell was made for all those who try put themselves on the same level as God, just as Satan did. The greatest lie Satan can tell you with a fool proof plan is to get you to do exactly what he did to God. He sought to be God. The New Age Spirituality invites people to journey into themselves, to find the god within them.]
2 Thessalonians 2:3-4
3 Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction,
4 who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God.
2 Thessalonians 2:8-12
8 Then that lawless one will be revealed whom the Lord will slay with the breath of His mouth and bring to an end by the appearance of His coming;
9 that is, the one whose coming is in accord with the activity of Satan, with all power and signs and false wonders,
10 and with all the deception of wickedness for those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth so as to be saved.
11 For this reason God will send upon them a deluding influence so that they will believe what is false,
12 in order that they all may be judged who did not believe the truth, but took pleasure in wickedness.
[I pray you have not reached this point]
The word assuredly which Jesus uses so many times in the above verses means as per the dictionary means:
- Made certain; guaranteed!
Conclusion: Jesus NEVER lies.
Ds Stephan Joubert who you rely of for the truth is an Emergent teacher and supports other world leading Emergent teachers.
Here are some of the names of world leading Occult teachers:
Richard Forster, Brian McLaren, Leonard Sweet, Rick Warren, Nelus Niemand, Rob Bell, Thomas Bandy, Bob Buford, Ken Blanchard, Martin Buber, Tony Campolo, Chuck Colson, Mark Driscoll, Peter Drucker, Eddie Gibbs, Tony Jones, Dan Kimball, Thomas Keating, Erwin McManus, Thomas Merton, Donald Miller, Henri Nouwen, Doug Pagitt, Robert Webber.
These men have gone out of their way to blatantly deny the Jesus Christ of the Bible. They have gone out of their way to say that ALL Religions no matter what you believe all lead to the same God. They teach Occult practices leading people into a ‘secret’ place where the line between their inner self and god start to become one. These people above have dialogued and agreed with the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church, Muslims, Hundu’s, Wiccans, Jewish Mystics, Buddhists, and New Agers – lets we say Satanists. Some of these people even speak openly that the Bible is no longer needed as their is a NEW truth that is taking the world by storm. The list of thing these people teach is never ending!
Every blasphemy that these people speak all comes from one and the same mouth – Satan.