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Soaking – A Once Lost Art…

Soaking - A Once Lost Art...



I usually do not mince words, especially when the subject has to do with man’s relationship with God and his eternal destiny. So, without any further ado, allow me to tell you upfront what soaking and all the other similar methods Christians adore practicing actually are and where it is leading the unsuspecting. We are commanded to love and worship the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob with all our heart, and with all our soul, and with all our strength, and with all our mind; . . . (Luke 10:27).

Why is it so important to love, worship and serve God with all our mind? The main reason is that our mind is what makes us what we are. (Proverbs 23:7).


We are exhorted to be sober minded (Titus 2:6; 1 Peter 1:13), to cultivate a mind of self-control and self-discipline (2 Timothy 1:7), and a humble mind (Colossians 3:12), to guard against a fleshly (carnal) mind (Colossians 2:18), and not to mind earthly things but to set our minds on things that are above (Colossians 3:2).

The gist of all the above-mentioned verses is that a person needs to remain in control of his mind at all times and never allow it to be taken over by outside entities.

Anything contrary to what the above passages in Scripture teach are obviously not of God and therefore a deception of Satan to capture and imprison the mind of those who willingly and willfully, or unwittingly open themselves to Satan’s wiles.

Satan’s primary purpose is to blind the mind to the truth so that people cannot be saved.

This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind,

Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart: (Ephesians 4:17-18).

The word for “understanding” is “διάνοια” (dianoia); Deep thought, properly the faculty (mind or its disposition), by implication its exercise: – imagination, mind, understanding. In fact, your mind and a correct understanding of who you are and who God is, is an absolute necessity for your salvation. Hence Jesus’ statement in John 17:3, “And this is life eternal, that they might know (understand) thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.”

Similarly, the word “repent” (metanoia) involves a change of mind in order to be saved. (Matthew 3:2; 4:17). Anyone who disregards the importance of the mind in salvation is spreading a false gospel.


To understand more fully how Satan and his demons imprison the mind, we first need to turn an ear to what John Eccles said.

John Eccles received his Nobel Prize for research on the brain. He describes the brain as: “A machine that a ghost can operate.” To “operate” a “machine” clearly shows a distinction between the “brain” and the human soul and spirit (the mind), or what Eccles calls the “ghost.”

The mind of the individual operates the “machine” (the human brain), which subsequently causes the human body to function as needed. (Remember Proverbs 23:7?). Read here.

The significance of this is that it shows how important it is to remain sober minded, vigilant, watchful and in control of your mind and not to allow anyone to take hold of your thinking faculty through hypnosis, meditation, or any other methodology that can cause an altered state of consciousness or any form of passivity of the mind.

Every single methodology or technique man devises to receive physical or spiritual blessings from God, whether it is to invoke his presence, to be healed, to gain monetary prosperity or to summon his protection, is idolatry of the worst kind. Let me repeat that – IT IS ALL IDOLATRY.


Idolatry is the universal practice to set up or prop up anything visible, like a statue, or something non-physical, like a concept/idea/method/technique/tool in which you place your trust and hope with the purpose of appeasing the divinity you have chosen to worship or to gain something from him or her. In Christianity the key and most commonly used phrase is “enter into God’s presence,”

When God commanded Moses to build an altar, He said the following.

  • An altar of earth thou shalt make unto me, and shalt sacrifice thereon thy burnt offerings, and thy peace offerings, thy sheep, and thine oxen: in all places where I record my name I will come unto thee, and I will bless thee.
  • And if thou wilt make me an altar of stone, thou shalt not build it of hewn stone: for if thou lift up thy tool upon it, thou hast polluted it.
  • Neither shalt thou go up by steps unto mine altar, that thy nakedness be not discovered thereon. (Exodus 20:24-26)

Let’s break this down into simple terms.

  1. God’s blessings are bestowed on you only, I repeat ONLY, by means of an altar which immediately points to the substitutionary death or sacrifice of an innocent victim and the shedding of his blood.  Any kind of “altar” you venture to erect of your own doing (including “soaking”) is polluted.
  2. God forbade Moses to build the altar of hewn of stone using some kind of instrument or tool to cut or hew it to a size or form of his own choice. Please notice later on in this article how one of The Secret Place’s admirers thanked Ray and Pam Watson for the great tool they provide to easily come into the presence of God.
  3. He was not permitted to ascend the altar by steps lest his nakedness be exposed.

The overall meaning is that God is so awesomely and indescribably holy that He alone makes the rules and supplies the means by which He permits man to approach Him in his most holy abode in heaven and to come into his presence.

Any other methods, techniques, ways and means or tools mankind devise to come into God’s presence are of the flesh and therefore completely unacceptable to Him (Habakkuk 2:18; John 6:63).  In fact, it amounts to an effort to approach God in heaven without the garment of salvation (Isaiah 61:10; Zechariah 3:1-5).

Nakedness in the Bible is often used to describe man’s sinful nature. Are there any other passages in Scripture to back up what I had just said? Indeed, there is.

  • This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
  • And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
  • Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
  • Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
  • By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
  • And having an high priest over the house of God;
  • Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water. (Hebrews 10:16-22)

As you may have noticed, the shed blood of Jesus Christ is the only means by which the redeemed of God may approach Him in his most holy of holies. Have those who practice these methods and techniques to allegedly enter into in God’s presence forgotten the Levitical sacrificial system?

Every single method or technique mankind concocts to enter into the presence of God are as filthy garments and cannot possibly cover the nakedness (sins) before an awesomely and indescribably holy God.

This is how the Bible defines idolatry.

  • For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as idolatry and teraphim (household good luck images). (1 Samuel 15:23a – AMPC).

You may ask “How does quietening the mind by means of certain techniques or methods to enter into the presence of God give you the right to call it idolatry? Surely the desire to be in God’s presence and to soak in his blessings is something to be desired and biblically acceptable.”

Indeed, the presence of God and the entrance into his magnanimously glorious presence is the most desirable thing any believer could want. Nonetheless, God’s awesome holiness cannot and may not be invaded by our own carnally concocted methods.

If God who dwells in inaccessible light (1Timothy 6:14-16) is so awesomely holy as the Bible tells us, then surely He alone has the right and prerogative to determine how believers may approach Him and enter into his presence.

Julie True

Ray Watson. The Secret Place

Ray Watson. The Secret Place

“No, no, no,” saith Sid Roth and his followers whom the maggots are going to eat up in their graves when they are dead and buried, “We carry our holy little cushions under our arms wherever we go, and string along Julie True, and Ray and Pam Watson to play and sing their “holy” songs whenever we feel the urge to lie down on our stay-soft-washed-holy-cushions and soak ourselves into the presence of God.”

Please note Julie True’s song called “Breath You In” on the sleeve of her “Soaking Music Collection.” Where do Sid Roth and Julie True find this in Scripture? They could not have found it in God’s holy book, the Bible, because it simply is nowhere to be seen in his Word. Where do they get it from?


The underlying philosophy of Hinduism is Pantheism (God is all and all is God) which in a nutshell means that every conceivable movement in the cosmos is a movement of the Cosmic Breath (Vishwaprana).

In the Hindu Sanskrit the word for “faith” is “visvas” and literally means “to breathe easy.” The “vi” of “visvas” conveys the idea that he who breathes calmly can have faith born of intuition.

Swami Sri Yukteswar Giri, the guru of Paramhansa Yogananda, wrote in a song:

  • Pranayama (controlled or regulatory breathing ) be thy religion,
  • Pranayama will give thee salvation,

    Christian soaking (meditation)

    Christian soaking (meditation)

  • Pranayama is the Wishing Tree.
  • Pranayama is Beloved God,

    Hindu soaking (meditation)

    Hindu soaking (meditation)

  • Pranayama is Creator Lord,
  • Pranayama is the Cosmic World.
  • Control the little pranayama,
  • Become all-pervading pranayama,
  • You won’t have to fear anything anymore. (when you’ve reached Kundalini enlightenment).

In the so-called “soaking prayer” circles calmness, rest, quietness, and tranquility are all allegedly attained by a form of meditation which in essence is nothing else than the Roman Catholic inspired prayers called contemplative and centering prayer with its accompanying stillness or quietness, which in turn is derived from Eastern Mysticism.

It is in this stillness and quietness, they say, when you experience the nearness and presence of God and are filled with his Holy Spirit.

As usual, the devil knows how to use God’s Word to verify his strategies and make them acceptable to “Christians.” One of the soaking Christians’ most beloved verses is Psalm 46: 10. A site, The Secret Place that promotes soaking prayer says the following:

Ps. 46:10 “Be still and know that I am God.”

Again this exhortation tells us that when we are still or soaking in God’s presence there will come a knowing or experiencing of God. There is a weight or glory to His presence that we can experience as we are still before Him. It is hard at times to come to this place though because our flesh is very active and often takes a while to settle. What we do with our bodies however is a powerful declaration in the realm of the spirit. When we lie down in God’s presence it is a statement of surrender and a posture of rest that the Lord will honour.

It helps to play worship music while we are soaking. Music sets the atmosphere and worship music opens our heart and causes our spirit to rise in adoration. Worship is the love call of the saints and as we simply love and adore Him, we will experience the richness of His presence in even greater degrees.

Soaking does quieten the flesh and allows our spirit to ascend. As this happens, we become conscious that we are a spirit that lives inside a body. As our spirit starts to rise up in adoration and communion with the Lord, we can get to the place where our body is totally at rest, but our spirit is awake and receiving from the Lord (Dan.10:9).

The emboldened sections in the above three paragraphs prove beyond any reasonable (excuse the pun) doubt that soaking is another gospel, proclaimed by another Jesus through the power of another spirit. (2 Corinthians 11:4).

The author’s assertion that it is hard (difficult) to come to the place of stillness because the flesh is very active and takes a while to settle, is completely false.

The Bible never once teaches that the saints need to “settle” their carnal nature until it reaches a point of quietness. They are commanded to die to self and their carnal nature. (Colossians 3:5).

In fact, it is impossible to mortify the flesh with any kind of puny little method or tool of which soaking is the most dangerous because it introduces the unsuspecting to Eastern mysticism and Pantheism.

Believers neither have the power nor are they required to work toward the accomplishment of the mortification of their flesh (carnal nature).

God has already accomplished that on their behalf and the only thing for them to do now is to reckon (with a sober mind) that they are indeed dead to themselves and their carnal nature in order to bask in the awesome knowledge that God is indeed who He says He is.

That’s precisely why the Word of God says that his children are more than conquerors. They do not strive from a position of their own accomplishments to overcome their carnal nature; By grace they have already been given the victory in Christ Jesus over their carnal nature and only need to score victory after victory (to be more than conquerors) in the knowledge that they have already been crucified, buried and raised from the dead in Jesus Christ.

Here’s how Paul says it:

  • For as by one man’s disobedience, many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
  • Moreover the law entered that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound,
  • so that in the same manner as sin has reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus, the Christ, our Lord.
  • What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound?
  • No, in no wise. How shall we that are dead to sin live any longer therein?
  • Know ye not that all of us that are baptized into Jesus the Christ are baptized into his death?
  • For we are buried with him by baptism into death, that just as the Christ was raised up from the dead to the glory of the Father, likewise we also walk in newness of life.
  • For if we have been planted together in him in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection,
  • knowing this: that our old man is crucified with him that the body of sin might be destroyed that we should not serve sin any longer. (Romans 5:19 – 6:6)

And now – the punchline.

  • For he that is dead died unto sin once, and he that lives, lives unto God.
  • Likewise also reckon yourselves to be truly dead unto sin, but alive unto God in Christ, Jesus, our Lord.
  • Therefore, do not let sin reign in your mortal body that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
  • Neither present your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin, but present yourselves unto God as those that are alive from the dead and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
  • So that sin shall have no dominion over you; for ye are not under the law, but under grace. (Romans 6:10-14)
  • I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. (Romans 12:1)

Please note the words “reckon” and “reasonable service.”

What do you do when you reckon and reason?  Well, of course, you use your God-given mind to attentively, consciously, soberly and in a state of full alertness say to yourself, “I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.” (Galatians 2:20).

Those who believe they can accomplish the mortification of the flesh (their carnal nature) by indulging in a technique or method or a tool called soaking are heavily deceived and also deceiving others. They need to repent.

Instead of thanking the eternally living God for his own magnanimously formulated way to gain entrance into his awesomely holy presence, the adherents to soaking thank and praise mere men, who, as I said previously, are going to be eaten up by maggots when they are dead and buried. This is how one of The Secret Way followers endorsed The Secret Place.

“Thanks for giving us a great tool to easily come into the presence of God and clear our minds of all the daily distractions of this world.” – Amanda Gruenthere, NZ

What Amanda seems to be saying is, “God’s way to enter into his presence (through the blood of his Son, Jesus Christ) is old-hat, too tiresome and too difficult. Who wants that? The tool you (The Secret Place and Ray and Pat Watson’s music) offers, makes it so much easier and funkier to enter into the presence of God and to soak up his holiness like a sponge.”

Patricia King of XP Ministries, USA says the following:

“The Lord says you have entered into a realm now with God. There are new songs coming forth. And I see a connection between heaven and earth and some of your greatest works that you put your hand to, to deliver the song of the Lord … And I see words lined with gold …. And I see music notes lined with gold because they are of the glory realm. The Lord says as your music is being played, I see a room filled with people connecting with God in a new way. Life transforming moments, because of what you are birthing” – Patricia King, XP Ministries, USA

Will Cayer wrote:

“I have used this album for many years to come into the presence of the Most High God. It is awesome and the best album I own. The anointing on the album is sweet and Holy. I have never found any other to top it…. Ray is my favorite singer and Worship Leader. I have been using Ray’s music for years every day.” – Will Cayer, Middletown, RI ,USA

A common denominator between false teachers is their insatiable craving for something new in the spiritual realm because they are never satisfied with the “old paths.”

Jeremiah 6:16, Amplified Bible (AMP)

  • Thus says the Lord, “Stand by the roads and look; ask for the ancient paths, Where the good way is; then walk in it,
    And you will find rest for your souls
    . But they said, ‘We will not walk in it!’

Therese pathetically deceived Christians are shunning the old path (the way of the cross of Jesus Christ) and swapping it for a very dangerous way or path that does not bring them into the presence of God but into the presence of the enemy who is quite capable of changing himself into an angel of light. (2 Corinthians 11:13-14).


Do charlatans like Sid Roth, Julie True, Ray and Pat Watson really believe that soaking can bring you into the presence of God when God thunderously announces that it is and always will be faith and faith alone in the shed blood of his Son, Jesus Christ, that grants sinners access into his most holy of holies in heaven?

Hebrews 10:19-22 Amplified Bible (AMP)

A New and Living Way

  • Therefore, believers, since we have confidence and full freedom to enter the Holy Place [the place where God dwells] by [means of] the blood of Jesus, by this new and living way which He initiated and opened for us through the veil [as in the Holy of Holies], that is, through His flesh,
  • by this new and living way which He initiated and opened for us through the veil [as in the Holy of Holies], that is, through His flesh,and since we have a great and wonderful Priest [Who rules] over the house of God,
  • and since we have a great and wonderful Priest [Who rules] over the house of God, let us approach [God] with a true and sincere heart in unqualified assurance of faith, having had our hearts sprinkled clean from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water.
  • let us approach [God] with a true and sincere heart in unqualified assurance of faith, having had our hearts sprinkled clean from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water.

Here now is a list of things many people who call themselves Christians practice to gain, as they say, spiritual blessings from God.

Animal behavior like walking on all fours.
Animal noises
Carpet time
Catch the Fire
Centering prayer
Contemplative prayer
Holy laughter
Slain in the spirit
Soaking prayer
Speaking in unknown languages
Spiritual or Praise Dancing (also known as “Take me to the King Dancing”)
The Anointing
The anointing of your Home with oil
The Awakening
The Father’s blessing
The River
Uncontrollable shaking

19 comments to Soaking – A Once Lost Art…

  • Chris head

    “It helps to play worship music while we are soaking. Music sets the atmosphere and worship music opens our heart and causes our spirit to rise in adoration”
    This is true about music. It does those very things except the soaking business mentioned in the first sentence. That’s not necessarily true. What you are exposing is truly false but the biblical basis for the lie remains faithfully true. The anointing which is the prescence of God, even on words, is what breaks the heaven yokes and bondages and awakens a person to make decision to accept the founding call of Christ, or , if the person is a believer, be moved to prophecy, or preach, or be lead to pray the sick;ect. Music,even music without words, is a powerful medium. David played for Saul while went to bed. The demon that the Lord sent to saul would leave. A testimony of Gods grace to saul even though God caused Saul to be tormented. That is just one example in Scripture of how music is used by God through His “anointing”.
    Pentacostles aren’t entirely wrong. Just too willing to chance the anointing instead of the God of the anointing.
    Thanks for the article it other wise sums up what I learned from being in the soaking crowd. I was open minded to it, but was willing to be a berean about it too. So I am not into “soaking”

  • RJ

    Tom! THANK YOU for addressing this!
    Personally I have (yet!) to hear of it, but that does not mean much as I’m rarely in a church setting these days (disability which people tend to “judge me” for simply b/c they cannot “see” it, yet it is VERY REAL!) But I digress….
    so again, I stay on the lonely path that the FEW are on & walk with the Lord, staying in His Word, and letting the Holy Spirit teach me (1 John 2:27) Wouldn’t it be AWESOME to be able to enjoy fellowship with other REAL Christians??!! Yet I have to wonder, at least in my life, if that may never happen till the trumpet sounds and we’re redeemed outta’ here!

    At any rate, I wholeheartedly agree with your essay here — and was thinking the same thing, how false teachers are always teaching about “something NEW”!! Your quote: A common denominator between false teachers is their insatiable craving for something new in the spiritual realm because they are never satisfied with the “old paths.” END QUOTE

    Furthermore, another one of your quotes: God’s awesome holiness cannot and may not be invaded by our own carnally concocted methods. END QUOTE And AMEN!!!!

    Makes us all rather wonder: is there ANYTHING that “Christians” will not FALL FOR …. in these last days??

    It’s almost like “the more BIZARRE” ~ the more people are likely to go along with it!!

  • Hi RJ

    Thank you for your comment. The best way to discern the false is to know the genuine article. When asked how he detects counterfeit money a currency tester said, “I know the genuine article. I know exactly what it looks like.”

  • Chris Head.

    You obviously did not read the article in its entirety or you misunderstood what was written. This has nothing to do with Saul having had a demon for whom David played on his harp to soothe and relax him. This article deals with the false perception that you can enter into the presence of God through music and soaking. In fact, I proved that soaking aims to replace Jesus and his blood as the only permissible means to approach God in his holy of holies. Soaking is another gospel which is no gospel at all.

  • Letetia Parker

    Oh that God’s people would read, study and adhere to His Word which would allow them to be led by the Spirit of God, which would give them discernment. Discernment is so lacking in the lives of so many believers…it’s sad but true. Many are looking for shortcuts to God and there are none. God wants a relationship and we can’t be passive about that..we must actively seek to know God and that comes through obeying His word, prayer and humble ourselves. I am amazed by how many run after experiences instead of really having a desire to truly Know Him in the power of His resurrection and the fellowship of His suffering. Lord help us to be like the Bereans and examine EVERYTHING in the light of your Word…that’s my prayer daily for the body of Christ.

    Excellent article and thanks so much for educating and equipping all who have an ear to hear what the Spirit of God is really saying.

  • chris

    The article is quite clear as to what you were trying to prove. I was elaborating on the medium of music and how it is used by the Holy Spirit to turn hearts, minds, and eyes towards something. Namely the Lord. I pointed out a truth that “Music sets the atmosphere and worship music opens our heart and causes our spirit to rise in adoration”. Keep in mind the soaking message isn’t trying to dismiss the blood of Jesus, but elaborate that very thing. It is taking a “new age” way of meditation and trying to Christianize it. I know this from experience. The article helped to summarize the conclusion I came to on my own.
    Keep in mind we are commanded to “Enter his gates with thanksgiving and his courts with praise; give thanks to him and praise his name.” The praises of the Lord causes the enemy to flee. There is a such thing as an anointing on the person playing an instrument. Just the music alone has an “atmosphere” to it and when that atmosphere is the presence of God things happen in the Spirit.

    Also, I am taken back by the hostile tone I sense from your wording. I find it troubling.

  • chris,

    Indeed we are to enter his gates with thanksgiving and not with a mind blinded by a technique that cannot possibly bring anyone into the presence of God. Did you hear any mention of the blood of Christ in the video I posted?

    Music cannot bring you into the presence of God. So what’s the point in using it? Furthermore, the repetitive “La, La, La, La, La” in her song is also a way to bring the practitioners of soaking into an altered state of consiousness.

  • Dear Letetia, Thank you for your comment. You have summed it up perfectly.

  • Doreen R, Rhodes

    Because I’d been curious, I once (take note: once) attended a NAR “church” to experience this unbiblical circus firsthand. And from the time I set foot in there until I left three hours later, I experienced this perversion as nothing but sex with clothes on. The way these poor, misled people wriggled and touched and suggestively moved like filthy strippers and pole dancers, all in God’s name, mind you, was beyond blasphemous. Now imagine what happens behind the scenes, dear children of God. Stay away from this thing. It is as deadly and anti-biblical as Calvinism/Reformed theology, which also has nothing to do with God and His Word. Both (NAR and Hellvinism), incidentally, are built on extra-biblical forces/”revelations.”

    Rely on God’s Word, dear sisters (and brothers) in the Lord. There’s not a single man/woman worthy of following. Not one.

    Doreen R. Rhodes

  • Hi Doreen R. Rhodes,

    Thank you for your comment. You have touched on a very important aspect of false doctrine and that is the sexual connotation. Throughout history, false religious practices have gone hand in hand with sexual sins. Think of the golden calf, for instance.

  • Chris

    Tom (Discerning the World) wrote:


    Indeed we are to enter his gates with thanksgiving and not with a mind blinded by a technique that cannot possibly bring anyone into the presence of God. Did you hear any mention of the blood of Christ in the video I posted?

    Music cannot bring you into the presence of God. So what’s the point in using it? Furthermore, the repetitive “La, La, La, La, La” in her song is also a way to bring the practitioners of soaking into an altered state of consiousness.

    There was nothing mentioned of the blood of Christ because the audience it’s directed toward are people already saved and understand the blood. Anyway, the video was insightful. I only hope that these extreme charismatic brothers and sister heed the call to wake up even as I have.
    The music issue is obviously a side argument.

  • Chris

    How do you know that everyone in the video is saved?

  • Chris

    To be fair We must ask how do we know everyone acting like a berean like us are saved? Or is everyone that has bought into calvinism with it’s irresistable grace is saved? We can’t unless we test them and/or ask them.
    Though your question is a legitment question it isn’t one that I believe to be relevant. We both know the soaking thing is a farce. Especially me from experience. So what does it matter if they are all saved or not? It’s a side subject

  • Chris

    I can only assume you either like to argue or needed a come back to have had asked if I knew if everyone in the video is saved.
    Which is a turn off for me in regards to this site

  • Chris,

    I really don’t think the discussion of the blood of Christ – even among the already saved saints – is a turnoff.

    You wrote:

    There was nothing mentioned of the blood of Christ because the audience it’s directed toward are people already saved and understand the blood.

    Surely you must know that the dimension of Christ’s blood is so vast that Christians can speak about it every single day, and still not exhaust the magnanimous meaning of his blood. Don’t you think Christians (saved people in the video, as you call them) should rather speak about the blood of Christ than getting involved in some of the most dangerous occultic practices? The occult is a tool of Satan, my friend.

    Let met now ask you again. How do you know that the people who are involved in occult practices in the video are saved? Please answer me. And if you can’t, then say so.

  • Chris,

    You are deceived to think that soaking is merely a farce. It is actually a tool of the devil to keep people away from the real Jesus Christ. They may think they are in the presence of Jesus but they are actually in the presence of Satan who masquerades as an angel of light.

    You’re right, we can only know whether someone is saved when we ask them (1 Peter 3:15). So, let me ask you. Would you mind telling us how you were saved?

  • Chris,

    I think you misunderstood my article. The sole purpose of soaking – which is akin to contemplative and centering prayer – is to bring one into the presence of God. If the people in the video understood the blood of Christ they would never have participated in an occult practice like soaking. Why? Here’s the reason:

    Heb 10:19-20
    (19)  Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
    (20)  By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh.

  • chris

    Tom (Discerning the World) wrote:

    Would you mind telling us how you were saved?

    sure, that is fine. I will give you the short of it. it was when I accept Jesus was the giver of life, and decided to humble myself and accept His work on the cross. I was in my late teens. Unfortunately I was brought into the Kingdom by way the charismatic movement(tbn style). so I have a lot of undoing going on. Not that I will ever deny the “charismatic” gifts have ceased. I believe God is still using people in those gifts today. But there is a lot bad theology and out right herecies among the people who, in my opinion, dwell on the gifts and have an “Orbital Hermeneutics” about it. :)
    I appreciate the article
    thanks for writing it.

    Most Importantly thank you for exposing the herecies of Calvinism. That is how I found your site. I was looking for answers to what I had been exposed to and felt like I could not refute. I was on the verge of wanting to find another path in life, or give up on caring and live like an atheist. Because if Calvinism is true then I don’t want anything to do with Christianity. They preach God is hate. #somelivesmatter

  • Thank you, Chris, Appreciate it. Calling on the Name of Jesus (Acts 2:21) is an essential for salvation and not just believing (James 2:19).

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Because this world is becoming more evil by the minute and Discerning the World is coming under attack more often from people with some very nasty dispositions, we now have ‘Terms and Conditions for Submission of Comments‘ which you need to agree too before you can comment – this is to protect us and you when you comment on this website.  If you are not here to harm Discerning the World and it’s authors, please by all means comment, however if you are here to cause harm in any way, please don’t comment.

The following conditions does not mean that the authors of Discerning The World permit only opinions that are in agreement with us. This also does not mean that we fear dissenting opinions or ideas that are contrary to the beliefs that we hold (and/or that of the revealed Scriptures of the Holy Bible).

The following describes the Terms and Conditions applicable to your use of the “Comments” submission service at the Discerning the World website.


  1. Discerning the World owns and operates the site (the “Site”). Your use of the features on the Site allowing for submission of a “Comment” is subject to the following terms and conditions (the “Terms”). Discerning the World may modify these Terms at any time without notice to you by posting revised Terms on the Site. Your submission of a “Comment” to the Site following the modification of these Terms shall constitute your binding acceptance of and agreement to be bound by those modified Terms.
  2. By submitting a “Comment” you are accepting these Terms through your clicking of the “POST COMMENT” button.
  3. Discerning the World has the right, but not the obligation, to take any of the following actions, in Discerning the World’s sole unfettered discretion, at any time, and for any reason or no reason, without providing any prior notice:
    1. Restrict, suspend or terminate your ability to submit “Comments,” to the Site;
    2. Change, suspend or modify all or any part of the Site or the features thereof;
    3. Refuse or remove any material posted on, submitted to or communicated through the Site by you;
    4. Deactivate or delete any screen names, profiles or other information associated with you; or
    5. Alter, modify, discontinue or remove any comment off the Site.
  4. You agree that, when using or accessing the Site or any of the features thereof, you will not:
    1. Violate any applicable law or regulation;
    2. Interfere with or damage the Site, through hacking or any other means;
    3. Transmit or introduce to the Site or to other users thereof any viruses, cancel bots, Trojan horses, flood pings, denial of service attacks, or any other harmful code or processes;
    4. Transmit or submit harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, defamatory, deceptive, fraudulent, obscene, indecent, vulgar, lewd, violent, hateful or otherwise objectionable content or material;
    5. Transmit or submit any unsolicited advertising, promotional materials, or spam;
    6. Stalk or harass any user or visitor to the Site; or
    7. Use the content or information available on the Site for any improper purpose.
  5. You retain the Copyright of any “Comment” you submit to Discerning the World. By submitting a “Comment” to Discerning the World, you agree to grant Discerning the World a irrevocable, non-exclusive, royalty-free, perpetual license to use the material or commentary that you have submitted, in any medium and in any manner that Discerning the World may, in its sole unfettered discretion, choose.
  6. By submitting a “Comment” to Discerning the World, you agree to comply with the following rules concerning such submissions:
    1.  You agree not to include in your “Comment”:
      1. Any false, defamatory, libelous, abusive, threatening, racially offensive, sexually explicit, obscene, harmful, vulgar, hateful, illegal, or otherwise objectionable content;
      2. Any content that may be seen as stalking or harassing of any other Site contributors;
      3. Any content that personally attacks an individual. (An example of a personal attack is posting negative comments about an individual in a way meant to demean that person. Note that posting your opinion about someone’s ideas, doctrine or actions is not a personal attack);
      4. Any content that discloses private details concerning any person, for eg., phone numbers that have not been made public, photos that are not in the public domain, residential address that is not public, ID numbers, Social Security numbers, email addresses that are not in the public domain, etc.;
      5. Any content that you know to be false, misleading, or fraudulent;
      6. Any use of profanity;
      7. Any content including advertisements or otherwise focused on the promotion of commercial events or businesses, or any request for or solicitation of money, goods, or services for private gain;
      8. Any content that contains software viruses or any other computer code, files or programs designed to interrupt, destroy or limit the functionality of any computer software or hardware or telecommunications equipment; or
      9. Any content directly or indirectly soliciting responses from minors (defined as anyone under 18 years of age).
    1. If any part of the “Comment” is not your original work, it is your responsibility to add the name of the third party, name the book with page number or a link (url) to the website where you obtained the information.
    2. Your “Comment” may contain Copyrighted material, the use of which has not always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. You are however allowed to make such material available in your “Comment” in an effort to advance understanding of environmental, political, human rights, economic, democracy, scientific, and social justice issues, etc.  This constitutes a ‘fair use’ of any such copyrighted material as provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, the material on this Site is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to:
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  8. You are solely responsible for the “Comment” you upload, post, transmit or otherwise make available to others using this Web Site. Under no circumstances will Discerning the World be liable in any way for any “Comment” posted on or made available through this Site by you or any third party.
  9. You understand that all “Comments” on this Site are pre-screened or moderated. That means that every “Comment” needs to be approved by Discerning the World before it appears in the “Comments” section.  This is not an automatic process.  Discerning the World does this for SPAM reasons.
  10. Discerning the World has the right (but not the obligation) in their sole unfettered discretion to remove any “Comment” that is posted on or available through the Site. Without limiting the foregoing, Discerning the World has the right to remove any “Comment” that violates these Terms or is otherwise deemed objectionable by Discerning the World in its sole discretion.
  11. You understand that Discerning the World in their sole unfettered discretion is not obligated and can not be forced in any manner, be it legal or otherwise to remove any “Comment” that is posted on or made available through the Site by you.
  12. When submitting a “Comment,” you will be asked to provide your name and your email address. While Discerning the World does not object to your use of a pseudonym instead of your actual name, Discerning the World reserves the right, but not the obligation, to reject, change, disallow, or discontinue at any time any submission name that, in Discerning the World’s sole unfettered discretion, is objectionable or inappropriate for any reason. Discerning the World requires the submission of your email address, but Discerning the World warrants that it will not publish your email address to an outside third party without your consent.
  13. Discerning the World does not sell or rent your personal information to third parties for their marketing purposes. From time to time, Discerning the World may contact you personally via email. Notwithstanding the foregoing, you acknowledge and understand that the “Comments” feature of the Site is designed to permit users to post information and commentary for public review and comment and thus you hereby waive any expectation of privacy you may have concerning any likeness or information provided to the Site by you.
  14. You are solely responsible for your interactions with other users of or visitors to the Site.
    1. Discerning the World shall have the right, but not the obligation, to monitor interactions utilizing the “Comments” facility of the Site, between you and other users of or visitors to the Site. You acknowledge and agree that Discerning the World, or any third party shall not be, and you shall not seek to hold them, responsible for any harm or damage whatsoever arising in connection with your interaction with other users of or visitors to the Site.
    2. Discerning the World does not verify any information posted to or communicated via the “Comments” sections of the Site by users and does not guarantee the proper use of such information by any party who may have access to the information. You acknowledge and agree that Discerning the World does not assume, and shall not have, any responsibility for the content of messages or other communications sent or received by users of the Site.
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    1. Discerning the World does not control, and makes no representations or warranties about, any third party content, including such content that may be accessible directly on the Site or through links from the Site to third party sites.
    2. You acknowledge that, by viewing the Site or communications transmitted through the Site, you may be exposed to third party content that is false, offensive or otherwise objectionable to you or others, and you agree that under no circumstances shall Discerning the World be liable in any way, under any theory, for any third party content.
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    4. You agree that you will not systematically retrieve data or other content from the Site by any means, and you will not compile a database or directory of information extracted from the Site.
    5. You agree that you will not reproduce, distribute or make derivative works of the Site or any of the contents thereof without the express consent of Discerning the World.
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16. These Terms constitute the entire agreement between Discerning the World and you with respect to the subject matter hereof, and supersede any previous oral or written agreement between us with respect to such subject matter.

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