Soaking – A Once Lost Art…

Tom (Discerning the World)

Discerning the World is an internet Discernment ministry based in Johannesburg South Africa that was founded in 2008. Tom Lessing originally founded the website “Waak en Bid/Watch and Pray”. Tom Lessing joined Discerning the World in May 2013 and all his articles were moved across to DTW.

19 Responses

  1. Chris head says:

    “It helps to play worship music while we are soaking. Music sets the atmosphere and worship music opens our heart and causes our spirit to rise in adoration”
    This is true about music. It does those very things except the soaking business mentioned in the first sentence. That’s not necessarily true. What you are exposing is truly false but the biblical basis for the lie remains faithfully true. The anointing which is the prescence of God, even on words, is what breaks the heaven yokes and bondages and awakens a person to make decision to accept the founding call of Christ, or , if the person is a believer, be moved to prophecy, or preach, or be lead to pray the sick;ect. Music,even music without words, is a powerful medium. David played for Saul while went to bed. The demon that the Lord sent to saul would leave. A testimony of Gods grace to saul even though God caused Saul to be tormented. That is just one example in Scripture of how music is used by God through His “anointing”.
    Pentacostles aren’t entirely wrong. Just too willing to chance the anointing instead of the God of the anointing.
    Thanks for the article it other wise sums up what I learned from being in the soaking crowd. I was open minded to it, but was willing to be a berean about it too. So I am not into “soaking”

  2. RJ says:

    Tom! THANK YOU for addressing this!
    Personally I have (yet!) to hear of it, but that does not mean much as I’m rarely in a church setting these days (disability which people tend to “judge me” for simply b/c they cannot “see” it, yet it is VERY REAL!) But I digress….
    so again, I stay on the lonely path that the FEW are on & walk with the Lord, staying in His Word, and letting the Holy Spirit teach me (1 John 2:27) Wouldn’t it be AWESOME to be able to enjoy fellowship with other REAL Christians??!! Yet I have to wonder, at least in my life, if that may never happen till the trumpet sounds and we’re redeemed outta’ here!

    At any rate, I wholeheartedly agree with your essay here — and was thinking the same thing, how false teachers are always teaching about “something NEW”!! Your quote: A common denominator between false teachers is their insatiable craving for something new in the spiritual realm because they are never satisfied with the “old paths.” END QUOTE

    Furthermore, another one of your quotes: God’s awesome holiness cannot and may not be invaded by our own carnally concocted methods. END QUOTE And AMEN!!!!

    Makes us all rather wonder: is there ANYTHING that “Christians” will not FALL FOR …. in these last days??

    It’s almost like “the more BIZARRE” ~ the more people are likely to go along with it!!

  3. Hi RJ

    Thank you for your comment. The best way to discern the false is to know the genuine article. When asked how he detects counterfeit money a currency tester said, “I know the genuine article. I know exactly what it looks like.”

  4. Chris Head.

    You obviously did not read the article in its entirety or you misunderstood what was written. This has nothing to do with Saul having had a demon for whom David played on his harp to soothe and relax him. This article deals with the false perception that you can enter into the presence of God through music and soaking. In fact, I proved that soaking aims to replace Jesus and his blood as the only permissible means to approach God in his holy of holies. Soaking is another gospel which is no gospel at all.

  5. Letetia Parker says:

    Oh that God’s people would read, study and adhere to His Word which would allow them to be led by the Spirit of God, which would give them discernment. Discernment is so lacking in the lives of so many believers…it’s sad but true. Many are looking for shortcuts to God and there are none. God wants a relationship and we can’t be passive about that..we must actively seek to know God and that comes through obeying His word, prayer and humble ourselves. I am amazed by how many run after experiences instead of really having a desire to truly Know Him in the power of His resurrection and the fellowship of His suffering. Lord help us to be like the Bereans and examine EVERYTHING in the light of your Word…that’s my prayer daily for the body of Christ.

    Excellent article and thanks so much for educating and equipping all who have an ear to hear what the Spirit of God is really saying.

  6. chris says:

    The article is quite clear as to what you were trying to prove. I was elaborating on the medium of music and how it is used by the Holy Spirit to turn hearts, minds, and eyes towards something. Namely the Lord. I pointed out a truth that “Music sets the atmosphere and worship music opens our heart and causes our spirit to rise in adoration”. Keep in mind the soaking message isn’t trying to dismiss the blood of Jesus, but elaborate that very thing. It is taking a “new age” way of meditation and trying to Christianize it. I know this from experience. The article helped to summarize the conclusion I came to on my own.
    Keep in mind we are commanded to “Enter his gates with thanksgiving and his courts with praise; give thanks to him and praise his name.” The praises of the Lord causes the enemy to flee. There is a such thing as an anointing on the person playing an instrument. Just the music alone has an “atmosphere” to it and when that atmosphere is the presence of God things happen in the Spirit.

    Also, I am taken back by the hostile tone I sense from your wording. I find it troubling.

  7. chris,

    Indeed we are to enter his gates with thanksgiving and not with a mind blinded by a technique that cannot possibly bring anyone into the presence of God. Did you hear any mention of the blood of Christ in the video I posted?

    Music cannot bring you into the presence of God. So what’s the point in using it? Furthermore, the repetitive “La, La, La, La, La” in her song is also a way to bring the practitioners of soaking into an altered state of consiousness.

  8. Dear Letetia, Thank you for your comment. You have summed it up perfectly.

  9. Doreen R, Rhodes says:

    Because I’d been curious, I once (take note: once) attended a NAR “church” to experience this unbiblical circus firsthand. And from the time I set foot in there until I left three hours later, I experienced this perversion as nothing but sex with clothes on. The way these poor, misled people wriggled and touched and suggestively moved like filthy strippers and pole dancers, all in God’s name, mind you, was beyond blasphemous. Now imagine what happens behind the scenes, dear children of God. Stay away from this thing. It is as deadly and anti-biblical as Calvinism/Reformed theology, which also has nothing to do with God and His Word. Both (NAR and Hellvinism), incidentally, are built on extra-biblical forces/”revelations.”

    Rely on God’s Word, dear sisters (and brothers) in the Lord. There’s not a single man/woman worthy of following. Not one.

    Doreen R. Rhodes

  10. Hi Doreen R. Rhodes,

    Thank you for your comment. You have touched on a very important aspect of false doctrine and that is the sexual connotation. Throughout history, false religious practices have gone hand in hand with sexual sins. Think of the golden calf, for instance.

  11. Chris says:

    Tom (Discerning the World) wrote:

    chris,

    Indeed we are to enter his gates with thanksgiving and not with a mind blinded by a technique that cannot possibly bring anyone into the presence of God. Did you hear any mention of the blood of Christ in the video I posted?

    Music cannot bring you into the presence of God. So what’s the point in using it? Furthermore, the repetitive “La, La, La, La, La” in her song is also a way to bring the practitioners of soaking into an altered state of consiousness.

    There was nothing mentioned of the blood of Christ because the audience it’s directed toward are people already saved and understand the blood. Anyway, the video was insightful. I only hope that these extreme charismatic brothers and sister heed the call to wake up even as I have.
    The music issue is obviously a side argument.

  12. Chris

    How do you know that everyone in the video is saved?

  13. Chris says:

    To be fair We must ask how do we know everyone acting like a berean like us are saved? Or is everyone that has bought into calvinism with it’s irresistable grace is saved? We can’t unless we test them and/or ask them.
    Though your question is a legitment question it isn’t one that I believe to be relevant. We both know the soaking thing is a farce. Especially me from experience. So what does it matter if they are all saved or not? It’s a side subject

  14. Chris says:

    I can only assume you either like to argue or needed a come back to have had asked if I knew if everyone in the video is saved.
    Which is a turn off for me in regards to this site

  15. Chris,

    I really don’t think the discussion of the blood of Christ – even among the already saved saints – is a turnoff.

    You wrote:

    There was nothing mentioned of the blood of Christ because the audience it’s directed toward are people already saved and understand the blood.

    Surely you must know that the dimension of Christ’s blood is so vast that Christians can speak about it every single day, and still not exhaust the magnanimous meaning of his blood. Don’t you think Christians (saved people in the video, as you call them) should rather speak about the blood of Christ than getting involved in some of the most dangerous occultic practices? The occult is a tool of Satan, my friend.

    Let met now ask you again. How do you know that the people who are involved in occult practices in the video are saved? Please answer me. And if you can’t, then say so.

  16. Chris,

    You are deceived to think that soaking is merely a farce. It is actually a tool of the devil to keep people away from the real Jesus Christ. They may think they are in the presence of Jesus but they are actually in the presence of Satan who masquerades as an angel of light.

    You’re right, we can only know whether someone is saved when we ask them (1 Peter 3:15). So, let me ask you. Would you mind telling us how you were saved?

  17. Chris,

    I think you misunderstood my article. The sole purpose of soaking – which is akin to contemplative and centering prayer – is to bring one into the presence of God. If the people in the video understood the blood of Christ they would never have participated in an occult practice like soaking. Why? Here’s the reason:

    Heb 10:19-20
    (19)  Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
    (20)  By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh.

  18. chris says:

    Tom (Discerning the World) wrote:

    Chris,
    Would you mind telling us how you were saved?

    sure, that is fine. I will give you the short of it. it was when I accept Jesus was the giver of life, and decided to humble myself and accept His work on the cross. I was in my late teens. Unfortunately I was brought into the Kingdom by way the charismatic movement(tbn style). so I have a lot of undoing going on. Not that I will ever deny the “charismatic” gifts have ceased. I believe God is still using people in those gifts today. But there is a lot bad theology and out right herecies among the people who, in my opinion, dwell on the gifts and have an “Orbital Hermeneutics” about it. :)
    I appreciate the article
    thanks for writing it.

    Most Importantly thank you for exposing the herecies of Calvinism. That is how I found your site. I was looking for answers to what I had been exposed to and felt like I could not refute. I was on the verge of wanting to find another path in life, or give up on caring and live like an atheist. Because if Calvinism is true then I don’t want anything to do with Christianity. They preach God is hate. #somelivesmatter

  19. Thank you, Chris, Appreciate it. Calling on the Name of Jesus (Acts 2:21) is an essential for salvation and not just believing (James 2:19).

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