Andrew Strom and J Lee Grady – False Teachers waiting for the Spiritual Revival of the Roman Catholic Church
Andrew Strom and J Lee Grady – False Teachers waiting for the Spiritual Revival of the Roman Catholic Church
Andrew Strom has tried desperately to play the role of the ‘good guy’. But I have repeatedly shown him up for what he is; just another false teacher. See here: Andrew Strom, Revival School, John the Baptist TV.
Now Andrew Strom sent out this newsletter written by Lee Grady from Charisma Magazine. Charisma Magazine (owned by Stephen Strang) and Lee Grady are part of the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR). In fact Andew Strom is also part of the NAR but he will plead differently, yet his doctrine and fruit tell you otherwise.
Andrew’s website logo is that of FIRE, we know that Biblically the Holy Spirit is not fire, see my articles here: The Biblical Holy Spirit vs.The False Unholy Spirit of Fire and here: Fire of The Holy Spirit – Judgment or Anointing?
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The COMING SPIRITUAL TSUNAMI in THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
by J. Lee Grady [DTW note in Green]
I believe God showed me He is sending a wave of His Spirit to
bring reformation. [DTW note: Is Lee Grady implying that the Roman Catholic Church is going to go from a Babylonian Pagan religion to a Christian religion? I don’t think so. No where is this mentioned in the bible. Let’s analyse this newsletter in respect of the false beliefs that Lee Grady and Andrew Strom follow.]
More than 10 years ago, I had the most vivid dream I´ve ever
experienced. I told my wife about it the moment I woke up because
it was so profound. The scenes are still etched in my memory.
I dreamed I was standing inside the Vatican. Keep in mind that
I´ve never been a Catholic, and I´ve never visited Italy. But in my
dream, I was in an ornate hall decorated with marble columns
and a fancy paved floor. I walked over to a huge, arched window
where I could see a panoramic view of Vatican City.
Suddenly a huge wave appeared on the horizon. A tsunami was
coming. The wave got closer and closer, but I did not feel panic,
even though I could hear people running and yelling as they
prepared for the impact. I stood near a wall and braced myself.
When the wave hit, the palatial building began creaking and tilting.
Antique tables, chairs, candelabra and statues began sliding to
one side as the floor moved. Chandeliers were hanging at odd
angles. Within minutes the floor was perpendicular to the ground
and more furniture came crashing down. The movement continued
until the floor became the ceiling. More religious icons, statues
and paintings fell and broke into pieces.
In my dream, I did not feel anxious about this catastrophe. Nor did
I ask the obvious questions: How could a tsunami reach that far
inland since the Vatican is almost 20 miles from the Mediterranean
coast? How could a tsunami turn a huge building upside down?
And why was there no water anywhere? I knew in my dream that
what I had witnessed was a spiritual event. [DTW note: There is Vatican I and then there is Vatican II. Vatican I is the stiff upper lip, speak Latin or die version of the Roman Catholic Church. Vatican II is the Roman Catholic Churches re-evengelization program to take over the world under the disguise of a re-worked ‘Christian-look-a-like-doctrine’ that spreads like wild FIRE (Note Andrew Stroms Logo). The Roman Catholic Churches greatest evangelist to spread this doctrine was Billy Graham: See here: (The New Evangelical – Evil fit for a New Dark Age). The Word of Faith movement and the Apostolic movement, the Emergent movement and everything in between, is nothing but the Vatican II’s Catholic doctrine being spread across the world.]
At that point I heard a commotion at the other end of the hall.
When I got close enough, I discovered a group of Catholic nuns
and priests who were praying in the Holy Spirit. They had their
hands raised and they were worshiping God fervently, as if they
had experienced another Pentecost. [DTW note: There is going to be NO move of God over the Roman Catholic church, the RCC however plays a huge part in biblical prophecy during these last days.
Revelation 17:1-6
1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: 2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication. 3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. 4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: 5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. 6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.
“The apostle John was greatly disturbed (marveled with admiration) at the sight of the drunken woman because his expectations of seeing a pure, holy and untarnished Bride of Christ was shattered by this abominable vision of a harlot riding a beast.” —>Church Headed Back to Rome or is it Babylon?
It is because of the infiltration of Vatican II’s evangelization program into the genuine Christian church turning her into what she is today; unrecognizable, a whore. What we have now is a false Christianity, a neo-Catholicism. What Lee Grady and Andrew are speaking about, is they are expecting Vatican II, this Neo-Catholicism, to come back at the Roman Catholic Church as a whole and overtake Vatican I. ]
The atmosphere was spiritually charged. Yet, as these people
prayed, a man dressed in ornate religious garb began to shout
angrily at them in Italian. He was obviously not happy with the
way these Catholics were behaving. [DTW note: Yes Vatican I is very formal and wont like the strange manifestations of this STRANGE FIRE from Vatican II, but it will sweep across the Roman Catholic Church never the less as it brings all ‘so called Christian’ faiths together under one false spirit]
This upset me, and I began
to rebuke him. I was speaking in my prayer language, so I didn´t
know what I was saying. But I knew God was rebuking the leaders
who were opposing His work.
At that point, I woke up. And I felt the Holy Spirit say to me: “I
am going to turn the Catholic Church upside down.” [DTW note: With Vatican I and all their pompous parading up and down in their garments, this will feel like the Catholic church is being turned on it’s head. People who do not understand what is going on, thinking this FIRE spirit is of God will actually believe that Catholics are getting saved, but they are not. As I explained earlier, it’s just a more vibrant version of Roman Catholicism sweeping back over them, and some of the more ceremonial persuasion wont like it, they prefer Vatican I without the tongues speaking and convulsing on the floor.]
I don´t believe all dreams are from God. Sometimes our brains
just think in Technicolor while we sleep. Other times a dream is
simply a crazy subconscious reaction to the pepperoni pizza
we ate before bedtime. But in this case, I have come to believe
God was showing me something big that He plans to do in my lifetime. [DTW note: Yes this is big, but not how you believe it to be. Your vision Lee Grady has been given to you by Satan and you interpret it for those who do not know their bibles like yourself. You have been tricked and you trick others.]
Pope John Paul II was still in office when I had this dream. Pope
Benedict has since come and gone, and this week, cardinals are
electing a new leader-at a time when the world´s 1.2 billion
Catholics have been reeling from reports of child abuse and sex
scandals among clergy.
I believe a great shaking is coming to the Catholic system, and it
will have both positive and negative impact. God is not pleased
with man-made religious structures (in any denomination) [DTW note: Let me tell you what impact it will have. Those in the higher echelons of the Roman Catholic church are expecting this unholy fire to come sweeping through their church soon in fact it is doing so already; they know because they created Vatican II and sent it off 50 years ago (see here: The True Spirit of Vatican II) – sooner or later it would come back. Lee Grady and Andrews ‘positive’ impact is that people are going to get saved by this TSUNAMI from God. Wrong! Lee and Andrews ‘negative’ impact is that the Vatican powers-that-be will try and stifle this supposed wave of God. Wrong! This is not a Christian movement, people are not going to be getting saved, the RCC is not going to be turned on its head and smash their idols and correct their 10 commandments and repent of their billion sins and converted to biblical Christianity. ]
that hinder people from knowing Him, and He is serious when He asks
us to tear down the idols we have created to take His place. In
the end, God always judges idolatry.
On the flip side, He also cares about the millions of people in the
Catholic Church who call upon the name of Jesus and who desire
His presence. [DTW note: Yes God is, John 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” And any Catholic who genuinely seeks Jesus Christ the Son of God and repents of their ways and leaves the RCC behind them will be saved. It is interesting that Lee Grady makes use of the word, “…who desire His presence”. This is contemplative spirituality talk. You do some form of meditation to enter God’s presence. This is not the biblical presence of God that is mentioned in the Bible but a mystical presence. The Biblical understanding of God’s presence is this: When you are born again Jesus Christ’s blood washes away our sins and this is a covering that presents us holy and unblameable and spotless in God’s sight. It is the only way for us to enter into His presence. If it was not for Jesus’ blood you would not be able to stand before God. Jesus is our mediator and He brings you into God’s presence. What do we have to do? Nothing, nada, no rituals, no prayers, no nothing. The mystical way on the other hand; is that you need to meditate in order to feel/enter God’s presence.]
For them, the coming wave of God´s power will
unleash a new hunger for the Holy Spirit and God´s unadulterated
Word. As corruption is exposed and structures are shaken, I
expect to see Catholics around the world experience a 21st-
century reformation movement. Traditionalists will fight it, of course,
but dead religion is powerless when faced with genuine spiritual
awakening. Young reformers from various nations will challenge
the system and say, like Moses said to Pharaoh, “Let My people
go” (Ex. 5:1). [DTW note: Yes it will be the youth that are going to be reforming the RCC from the inside out, because these are the ones who are being targeted by Vatican II. You just have to look at Louie Giglio, John Piper (Calvinist/Catholic) and his Passion conferences as we draws in thousands upon thousands of youngsters and teaches them contemplative spirituality and spreads the FIRE. Beth Moore, John Piper leads the Youth into Lectio Divina at Louie Giglio Passion’s Conference 2012]
I know there are many of my evangelical brothers who have written
off Catholics as heretics, and they leave no room for redemption
or reformation. They´d rather see the whole system crash and burn. [DTW note: No Lee, it’s not that we would rather clearly see the whole system crash and burn, it’s because that is what the Bible says is going to happen, my goodness, when are you going to READ YOUR BIBLE?]
Perhaps they forgot that we have our own idols, sex scandals and
institutional corruption, and that we need a spiritual tsunami to
turn us upside down as well. I´m bracing myself as I pray. Send
the wave, Lord. [DTW note: Please provide scripture to back up your vision Lee Grady or Andrew Strom? How about that one! 🙂 I would like verses for the times we are living in now, that says the Roman Catholic church is going to get reformed and saved. Thanks. I’m waiting. You can come and comment below.]
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From: REVIVAL List [mailto:xxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: 22 August 2011 07:41 AM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: TO DISCERNING-THE-WORLD – Andrew Strom
Dear Editors,
I would like the chance please to call you and discuss your
many articles attacking me. Is there a number I can call? Would
you prefer to call me? I look forward to your reply.
God bless you!
Andrew Strom.
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From: Deborah (Discerning the World)
Sent: 21 June 2013 08:57 PM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: TO DISCERNING-THE-WORLD – Andrew Strom
Dear Andrew
I found this email in my spambox. I suppose getting back to you a few years later still counts. You can converse with us on the website in the comments section in public for all to see.
Here is a latest article: http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2013/06/21/andrew-strom-and-j-lee-grady-false-teachers-waiting-for-the-spiritual-revival-of-the-roman-catholic-church/
Please do come and comment. We are all about showing off what we believe in public, I am sure you are too.
Kind regards
Deborah
The Mother Harlot is experiencing the fast return of the children that came out of her during the “Reformation.” The Empire of the Whore is reviving. But…I will let the Word of God speak of her “Spiritual Revival.” (Some Wolves forget and do some howling and thereby reveal themselves to those of us who know the Word.)
Rev 17:1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:
Rev 17:2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.
Rev 17:3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
Rev 17:4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
Rev 17:5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
Rev 17:6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.
Rev 17:7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.
Rev 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
Rev 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
Rev 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
Rev 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
Rev 17:13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
Rev 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
Rev 17:15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
Rev 17:16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.
Rev 17:17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.
Rev 17:18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.
Rev 18:1 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.
Rev 18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
Rev 18:3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
Rev 18:5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.
Rev 18:6 Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.
Rev 18:7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.
Rev 18:8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.
Rev 18:9 And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning,
Rev 18:10 Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.
Rev 18:11 And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:
Rev 18:12 The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble,
Rev 18:13 And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men.
Rev 18:14 And the fruits that thy soul lusted after are departed from thee, and all things which were dainty and goodly are departed from thee, and thou shalt find them no more at all.
Rev 18:15 The merchants of these things, which were made rich by her, shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment, weeping and wailing,
Rev 18:16 And saying, Alas, alas, that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls!
Rev 18:17 For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off,
Rev 18:18 And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city!
Rev 18:19 And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas, that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.
Rev 18:20 Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her.
Rev 18:21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.
Rev 18:22 And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee;
Rev 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.
Rev 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.
Alas…God will rid the planet of this Whore of Babylon. Hallelujah!
Why is it that when false teachers are reprimanded for their heresies they see and experience it as a personal attack on them? When are they going to learn to be as humble as Paul who even allowed unbelievers (Bereans) to check him out against the Word of God?
For your information,see THE CLOWNSVILLE REVIVAL, from Bible Baptist Bookstore.com by Dr. Peter S. Rickman.
james sanford
Is Peter S. Rickman a Calvinist?
Do we mean…. Ruckman?
Peter S Ruckman who says… “I do not believe a baby is a living soul until it breathes”
He supports abortion, believes in aliens,and mouths full of other heresies from what I have read, listened to and heard about the 92 yr old….
Peter S Ruckman is not a Calvinist. In his book “Why I am not a Calvinist” hes says the following:
Thanks Thomas for that info. Ok so he is not a calvinist that is now clear.
As for the other stuff Robbie mentioned, goodness… supporting abortion? Is it true?
Ahh we have proof: http://www.church101.org/ruckman.php
Deborah said: “Ahh haaa we have proof: RuckMan ”
wow… quite an assemblage Debs.
EMAIL FROM ANDREW STROM
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From: xxxxxxxxxx
Sent: 28 May 2015 01:20 AM
To: xxxxxxxxx
Subject: TO DEBORAH – Andrew Strom
Dear Deborah,
As you know, I make videos such as ‘Kundalini Warning’ and
other material warning of apostasy in the Charismatic movement.
I am also a ‘Repentance’ preacher – which has sadly become
quite rare in Pentecostal/ Charismatic circles today.
The reason I am writing is because of articles on your site going
back a number of years – which paint me as a Calvinist, NAR,
Catholic-linked heretic. Here I am, trying to expose all this stuff,
just like you do – yet you are attacking me and hurting my ability
to stop these heresies!
I am not a Calvinist. I never have been. And I have never been part
of the ‘New Apostles’ movement (NAR, etc). In fact, I have written
blistering articles against them. And I have never been linked with
the Catholic church in any way. In fact, I have written strongly
against their dogma also.
I am writing to ask you to please consider taking down your
article “Andrew Strom Gets it Wrong Again” (from 2010) and
other articles on your site. Please consider this. I am releasing
a new “Kundalini Warning” video this year, warning of Bethel
and other heresy. I believe your site is hurting what we are doing
to expose this apostasy. It really is. Please consider removing
these articles.
Thankyou for your consideration and God bless you,
Andrew Strom.
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Dear Andrew
Firstly, I never said you were a Calvinist, someone said you were aligning yourself with Calvinists. That is something very different.
Secondly, why do you send out emails like this one http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2013/06/21/andrew-strom-and-j-lee-grady-false-teachers-waiting-for-the-spiritual-revival-of-the-roman-catholic-church/ where you agree with Lee Grady from Charisma Magazine? And don’t say this was long ago, I see on your REVIVALSCHOOL website that you sent out a Lee Grady email again just recently see here http://www.revivalschool.com/7-charismatic-characters/.
Thirdly, your site is called Revival School. Please explain this to me, what it means?
Fourth, here you send out another email by NAR Lee Grady on how to be an New Testament Apostle. http://www.revivalschool.com/sign-of-a-true-apostle-its-not-what-you-think/
If you are not NAR, why do you preach that Apostles and Prophets are for today?
Fifthly, I would like you to come and answer these questions on DTW for all to see.
Thank you and Kind regards
Deborah and Thomas
EMAIL TO ANDREW STROM
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From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: 28 May 2015 09:31 AM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: TO DEBORAH – Andrew Strom
Dear Andrew
Please come and comment on DTW, I have replied to your email as a comment and would like you to respond there as well. http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2013/06/21/andrew-strom-and-j-lee-grady-false-teachers-waiting-for-the-spiritual-revival-of-the-roman-catholic-church/#comment-441556
Thank you so much and
Kind regards
Deborah and Thomas
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Dear Andrew Strom
You emailed us and wanted to chat, I invited you to come and speak to us on DTW regarding certain issues. Why have you now disappeared?
You say you are not Apostolic and Prophetic, but in reality you are, you say you speak out against the Roman Catholic Church, but in reality you are all for ‘transformation’.
Please come and chat with us and tell us why I should remove these articles exposing your beliefs?
EMAIL FROM ANDREW STROM
—–Original Message—–
From: REVIVAL List
Sent: 31 May 2015 11:26 AM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: DEBORAH – HAVE You SEEN THESE?? – Andrew Strom
Dear Deborah,
Have you actually watched all the way through my 3 videos that
expose apostasy in the Charismatic movement? Please take a
moment to watch. Here they are below-
‘SHOCKING DOCUMENTARY’ – Part ONE-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBpw2oQrvMM
‘SHOCKING DOCUMENTARY’ – Part TWO-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCcGaTRwG_4
‘SHOCKING DOCUMENTARY’ – Part THREE-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWeUNoR30_0
God bless you!
Andrew Strom.
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Dear Andrew
Why wont you come and speak to us regarding these IMPORTANT issues? Watching your videos exposing stuff does not stop you from believing in false things that I mentioned in my comment to you. You appear to speak from both sides of your mouth Andrew, you expose on the one side and on the other side you believe in some unbiblical things.
Why will you not come and speak to us?
Andrew Strom admits in the beginning of part three that he is a ‘charismatic, pentecostal, tongue-speaking believer himself…’ Erm, why would he admit this if he doesn’t want to be associated with these movements and their doctrines. And obviously this guy does not know the word of God. A true Word believing, and Bible reading Christian would never make such a statement.
Seems to me that he exposes the movement, but at the same time does not want to be the bad guy, careful not to tread on toes. If you really want to warn people about these things, and people to go to heaven, there needs to be some firmness in your message and also a message about salvation. It has become too easy to make money in the name of church.
Merely exposing false occult teachinh does not make you a saved person, believing the True Gospel does.
I tried to dialogue with Strom on a similar topic a few years back and his replies were far less than “Christian”.
Lee
At least you got him to speak to you. He is too afraid to speak with us out in the open.
Hello all:
I have a question concerning your frustration with Andrew Strom. Is your qualm with what he is exposing? I’ve watched his videos and it gave me great understanding as to what I had witnessed as well. I didn’t know anything about what was happening to me or to my friends and his vids and his exposing of this spirit is exactly what I was seeing. I might be wrong, but it seems that you are trying to show Andrew as being a heretic or trying to prove that what he is exposing is false by showing his shortcomings or creating lies about him. I’ve had people from Bethel School of Ministry and churches here that push and practice all the beliefs of Bill Johnson as well as we have a CVHOP which is a subsection of IHOP and there is a lot of this stuff in my hometown of Columbus, Georgia. It also seems that you are wanting him to return your requests to respond in your specific chats, but have you honored his request to check out his videos? I don’t say this to cause an argument, but I ask so that you could really revisit your intentions for the stuff you are saying about Andrew. People have really experienced this dangerous stuff. It’s causing people’s souls to be sent to hell and it’s putting demonic forces and struggles within people who really needed help and all they got in more bondage. Please check your hearts on this and give his vids a chance if you haven’t already and I pray that you would try to see him through the eyes of discernment and to see his heart. Thank you.
Dear Julia
<< Is your qualm with what he is exposing? Nope. It's the fact that he so called exposes false teaching yet remains in false teaching. Do you believe the Roman catholic church to be Christian Julia?
Since having my eyes opened to the labyrinth of deception in the charismatic movement and “jumping off the Titanic into a life boat”, I have discovered- as I’m sure others such as Deborah and Thomas have- how difficult it is to bring others out. On one hand, people like Andrew Strom can recognize and expose certain overt operations of the kundalini spirit, which is a ‘counterfeit Holy Spirit’ or “another spirit” as Paul warns believers about in 2 Cor. 11 v.4. Yet on the other hand, they stay within the charismatic movement, failing to see that ‘a bad tree cannot produce good fruit’. It is akin to calling a professional snake handler to help you be rid of snakes in your back yard ,while housing some as pets in your home, ie. rejecting certain demons while continuing to embrace others (or really, the same ones operating in a different way).
Thus we have so-called “reformed charismatics”, charismatics at Calvary Chapel speaking against the excesses of the NAR and Signs and Wonders movements, charismatics writing books exposing Word of Faith etc. etc. It seems difficult for people entangled by these false spirits to step back fully and examine the entire movement in the light of the Word and Church history. In my case, once the false visions of Kenneth Hsgin were exposed to me (I am a Tulsa Rhema graduate) and I saw that the demonic manifestations at Toronto, Lakeland etc were identical to those witnessed at Azusa St and in the so-called Bible School in Kansas run by the heretic Charles Parham (who was a member of the KKK, charged with more than one count of sodomy and a follower of the heretic Frank Sandford), I couldn’t flee the movement quick enough.
The early church fathers (some of whom had close links to the Apostle John) make reference to a gift of divinely-granted FOREIGN languages as in Acts 2 (which they state ceased), but had no knowledge of so-called ‘heavenly/angelic languages’ and make no mention of another experience/baptism with/in the Holy Spirit. These false tongues were (and still are) common among pagans and infiltrated the church in various periods through hereticsa such as Montanus (2nd century) and the Shakers (18th century). I have read of Voodoo practitioners visiting Pentecostal services and identifying the ‘tongues’ as identical to the kind they practice when possessed by spirits which they call ‘fallen angels’. Re a ‘second experience beyond salvation’ with the Holy Spirit, we have John Wesley to thank for this. He may have brought many from dead churchianity to the new birth in Christ, but his belief in a ‘second blessing’ led to the Holiness movement and many aberrant doctrines and demonic manifestations as deceived believers sought ‘sinless perfection’ via this so-called ‘second blessing’. The charismatic movement is a direct outgrowth from that heresy. Parham believed the evidence of this ‘second blessing’ would be ‘tongues’, however history is clear that early Pentecostals believed they were speaking in foreign, earthly languages until they went on mission trips and fell flat on their faces babbling words no one could understand. Rather than admitting they had been in grave doctrinal error, the notion of a ‘heavenly, unknown-to-all-but-God prayer language’ was concocted and a tsunami of ever-increasing heresy (including ‘Jesus Only’, ‘Latter Rain’, ‘Word of Faith’, ‘New Apostolic Reformation’,’Hyper grace’ etc etc) has poured forth leading to the spiritual train-wreck that is deceiving 800 million plus people on earth today. Saved and unsaved alike are- I believe- entangled in this demonic web. The former are at grave risk of apostasy, the latter are blinded by a false “cheap grace/seeker sensitive” gospel which moves daily further away from the true gospel of Christ. The recent coming together of charismatics with evangelicals (eg. Stephen Furtick embracing Joel Osteen, T.D. Jakes and Joyce Meyer) and Catholicism (via Copeland,Rick Warren, Beth Moore and others) and the all-pervasive tentacles of the NAR/Bethel/IHOP/Hillsong movements into many churches is clearly leading to the prophesied one-world false church which will welcome AntiChrist as Christ. To these deceived zealots, Bible-believing Christians who speak out against their heresies are the “enemy” who they believe God will judge and rid the earth of. I could be wrong, but I think the rapture- which many in these false movements deny- will be seen as a JUDGMENT of God on the “rebellious” who are hindering the manifestation of their erroneous version of God’s kingdom on the earth.
Nonetheless, it obviously takes a miracle from God for people blinded by this false Holy Spirit to come completely out of this delusion. Perhaps deep down they love the delusion and won’t let go of it despite the evidence presented to them (which they may be able to accept “to a point”). It was devastating to me to realize that most of what I had been believing and experiencing as a charismatic Word of Faith adherent was from a lying spirit. Maybe it’s hard for some who have based so much of their doctrines on their experiences (and those of people who they have placed on pedestals) to even consider that they could have been so wrong for so long. After getting over the shock, I realized it was the best thing the Lord has done for me in my entire 34+ years as a born again believer and have been thankful daily ever since. However, most of those in the charismatic scene who I have shared with have dismissed me completely (and sometimes insultingly). As Deborah pointed out in another topic, it is a lonely walk- but better to be on that narrow path and suffer rejection for the sake of the gospel than have lots of company on the wide road to eternal death.
Thanks Mike for your comment – it is full of wisdom and it is always appreciated!
You are so right, some people only come out of the delusion half way. They can’t take a step back right out of it. It’s as if they fear that if they do they might be wrong and miss out of a ‘great move of God’ or go against His Word. It’s very sad.
It’s truly sad that there are so many false doctrines and people who believe in these erroneous doctrines. I personally grew up in a cult “church” called the “United House of Prayer for All People” started by a FALSE prophet which members called DADDY GRACE. Not only is it sad to find out so many are deceived, but it’s also tiring. I’ve been studying these things for over 25 years. While I do agree with some of those who commented about false tongues and the Catholic Church being the Great Harlot of Babylon (in Revelation), I don’t believe that “tongues” or speaking in tongues ended with the Apostles. This is one of the teachings promoted by the (false/apostate) Rome Church. I can’t speak for William Parham, wasn’t around when Montanism started, but I wouldn’t count all of those who were Montanists, Sabellians as heretics. Just because many people who speak in “tongues” may be knowingly or unknowingly imitating others, or have demons, doesn’t mean everyone who has spoken in tongues since the first century is doing so. The Bible says in 1st Corinthians 14:39 – “forbid not to speak in tongues.” It just has to be done in decently and in order. (1st Corinthians 14:40) And where the Bible says in 1st Corinthians 13:8-9 that tongues will cease, we also read that knowledge will pass away and prophesy will cease. Knowledge hasn’t passed away and God’s prophesy hasn’t ceased. If knowledge and prophesy remain, and they do, tongues should not be done away with. We just need to have discernment and not fall for anyone who starts “babbling” or someone who says (legitimate) speaking in tongues ended with the Apostles.
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Would you say that the tongues were known languages or unknown heavenly languages?
This Site proves a prophecy I had heard that said the greatest event for “the christian body” is it devouring itself. I am amazed at how many of you are trying to prove you are more biblically correct, or more insightful, or more holy! I am saddened by what I have read on this Site and several others I have visited tonight. You attack each other like a pack of wolves and believe that some how you are God’s anointed and the only one that is a keeper of the “truth”. You all fall into the same “religious” bigotry that you are trying to label the other with. “You don’t talk like me, you don’t dress like me, you don’t smell like me” so you’re not of God Jehovah.
Who appointed any of you to be a judge of your “brother”? I have read articles and watched videos of most of you and find you have good insight until this Site. You are all trying to expose deceit and truth but why are you trying to upstage each other? A person who says they are Pentecostal is branded a heretic just like the Roman religion has done for hundreds of years with people that didn’t conform to their “authority”.
I have been doing research for 8 years and will publish a book in the next year about the false teachings of the “christian” religions and will use some of the information from Sites like this. It is still true what Paul said, “Why do you say I am of Apollos, I am of Paul, …..”. We all see things from a different orientation like the “blind men and the elephant”. But it all comes down to the same picture. We are all different members of the same Body. All “christian” denominations come from the religion of Rome and they perpetuate the false teachings.
On the last question on the Site about tongues. Maybe wrong, as is possible, but tongues are your language that comes from your unique make up as is your finger print or, as the medical field has found, your heat beat. When I was in the Air Force I met a guy who had been going to UCLA to get his doctorate in linguistics. His findings were that we all have a unique area of the brain that imprints language and encodes and decodes audible input to be able to learn the language we speak. The Spirit showed me that our “heavenly language” comes from that personal unique area that gives us the ability to speak. Believe it or not! That’s my view and I’m sticking with it. If this doesn’t witness with you then ignore it.
Bob Baker, you seem to have forgotten what God says in the book of Proverbs.
No one on this site is judging a person or persons. What we are doing, is to judge – and that’s precisely what every mature Christian should do (1 Cor 2:15) – their doctrines. Why? Because Paul warns that Satan is capable of presenting himself as an angel of light and that his followers are also able to present themselves as teachers of righteousness. Do you have no compassion for those who have been misled and are on the path that leads to destruction?
Could it be that you have no compassion for people who are on their way to destruction because you yourself are on that road? Are you saved?
I must agree with bob baker. Im grieved by what i read. Im reminded of the pharisees when reading these posts. Just by asking such a question if bob is saved shows a very proud and judgemental attitude. Dear brethren, i think we, in our quest for truth, have forgotten that Truth is a person and has a name. And he prayed for us back then in the garden, that “they all may be one, Father! May they be in us, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they be one, so that the world will believe that you sent me” (John 17:21)
The King gave His followers a new command, only moments after He had taken on the lowest servant’s job: “And now I give you a new commandment: love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. If you have love for one another, then everyone will know that you are my disciples” (John 13:34-35).
Everybody can see who we belong to through our fruits. And fruits come from roots… Carissimi! Seek first the Kingdom of God, take HIS yoke upon you, because He is gentle and humble in spirit and His yoke is easy and His load is light (Matthew 11:29-30). My heart aches for you, because ive been on the road you have chosen for most of my life. I trust that The Holy Spirit will guide you to Truth and that Truth will set you free and you will find rest. In the meantime, as you “act like wild animals, hurting and harming each other, then watch out, or you will completely destroy one another” (Galatians 5:15- another translation says “lest you devour one another”).
Lilly wrote:
Lee Grady’s alleged dream or vision of a tsunami hitting the Vatican as an indication that the RCC is on the verge of a total transformation is just another way to soft-soap the Word of Faith, Charismatic and NAR adherents to accept the RCC as true Christians and to merge with them. Kenneth Copeland and Joel Osteen together with other WOF and NAR followers have already shown that they want to get into bed with the whore of Babylon. In fact, they’ve already done so. They are definitely not yoked to Jesus; they have yoked themselves to a whore.
It is common practice among the WOF and NAR false teachers to supposedly have visions and dreams so that they may convince their followers so much the better and easier. They never test these visions and dreams in the light of Scripture to make sure whether it’s from God or not. They just accept it at face value making them so much the more vulnerable for deception. I can assure you that they are not yoked to Jesus. Bearing in mind that you are so easily deceived, I need to ask you whether you are yoked to Jesus. Those who are truly yoked to Him will not be deceived. As you said, “You shall know the Truth and the Truth will set you free.” Lee Grady’s dream is a lie and cannot set you free.
Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:
Deborah…this beyond made my day today…glad I’m not the only one who can read between his lines…