Depopulation, Concentration Camps, Coffins and Guillotines

Burning Lamp says:

Oh boy! Where do I start?

I have listened to the video of Pamela Schiffer’s comments and have read them. I no longer follow Alex Jones and do not consider him a credible source for Christians. I have no doubt whatsoever that Pamela is a believer and a sister in Christ. Yes, no doubt she is telling the truth and has the best of intentions.

However, she says she does not want to instill fear. Ironically, she is doing the very thing she doesn’t intend.

The core of the issue it seems to me is a correct understanding of God’s plan/prophecy for this world, dispensational theology and eschatology. I see so much confusion amongst even Christians who are fundamental in other areas of the faith.

Pamela obviously does not believe in eternal security of the believer, a precious doctrine that has to be tossed in the trash if one believes the Church, the Bride of Christ is going to go through the Tribulation.

The Body of Christ is made up of people who are all at different places in their walk with Christ. Some are new, tender believers, some are mature and faithful, others are deceived and walking in carnality. The Bible says that we will not be tested beyond what we can endure. Yes, there are believers who are martyred for their faith even today and there are the heroes of the past of whom we can read in Foxe’s Book of Martyrs. But there has never been a world-wide persecution and true believers will be removed before this happens. Noah and his family were safely in the ark before the floods came. So it will be with the true Church when all hell breaks out and evil is unleashed as never before.

We are a Church in apostasy, one of the signs of the end times. The only hope for us is in Christ Jesus who promised to come for His Bride in the Rapture. We cannot possibly prepare ourselves for a holocaust. We can’t earn our salvation to begin with and we can’t keep it by any acts of courage.

Also, articles like this make us think of ourselves instead of reaching out and sharing the Gospel with the lost who are headed for an eternity of suffering in hell. Not a watered-down false gospel but the true Gospel speaking the Word of God, not the reasoning of man. How many Christians are equipped by their pastors to do this? How many are simply pew potatoes, hunkering down, or joining political causes, tea parties, etc. entertaining a false hope for a radical change in government that will honor Christ?

I am not afraid of martial law or the guillotines. This concerns the unsaved who are redeemed after the persecution starts and all hell breaks loose and the wrath of God begins. They are the Tribulation Saints-those of the Church Age are not in that number.
This will be the time of Jacob’s Trouble, the time when the Lord returns to dealing with His chosen people, the Jews. A rightly dividing of the Word will reveal this truth. There is so much false theology going around these days and there is much confusion and dueling “Bible bullets”, the Word being taken out of context, etc. Those who have once believed in the Blessed Hope have abandoned it.

Debs, my dear friend, I mean no disrespect because I know you care about the lost and the true Gospel, but purveyors of these type of messages would do much better by being a walking, talking soul-winner, one who gives the only hope we have no matter what happens.

Burning Lamp says:

Debs. thanks for the clarification especially on Alex Jones who it isn’t clear where he is spiritually and also Pamela. She professes to be a Christian and no doubt influences many believers. I know Christians who are all wrapped up in Conspiracy Theories and their eyes are on man and not on the Lord. I do hope that this will be a lead-in for some folks to get on the straight and narrow and concentrate on the true threats – false teachings and wolves that are ravaging the flocks.

Many blessings to ya!!!

Thanks for all the great stuff you post and all your faithfulness and hard work.

Sibusiso Cele says:

Debs!,this is very painful.When we build our own religion “so we think”(because in reality we don’t have a choice) its either Jehovah/Jesus or Satan/Lucifer and drive away the author of Religion, Jehovah/Jesus… we go astray and those who have more power than others they start to be dictators forcing their ideas on others, those who know better & refuse to be told what to do when they know what is good to done…its a ‘follow us! or die’.The “wine of Babylon” must we all be drunk by the teachings of demons/doctrines of devils?..in order to be safe ?.I don’t think so.

Eddy says:

Allo Allo i cannot help but respond to these posting.I am a believer and also an agent of conspiracy dissemination.@BL Satan is in a conspiracy against Christ,the rise of the NWO is part of it we as believers must be aware of the enemy and his tricks(bible says so)people live in sheeple land and absorb TV.I have told an unsaved client about these horrendous conspiracy and also the Gospel-the gospel he has poopooed,but as he does research in conspiracy i see the change in his demeanor he will soon ask how can he escape this -then back to the gospel.
Yup Alex Jones is what we call a coadjutator,Jesse i do not know,but they still make great u-tubes.
No one preaches reality from the pulpit it is don’t look you won’t worry- yes the Gospel is all we need and Gods grace is sufficient.Jesus also exposed the charlatans at the temple.Rick Joiner?warren all part of the conspiracy
Glad to see activity here again

Lourens says:

Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:

Eddy
I have a little story to back up just what you have said. My brother was not interested in hearing the gospel of Jesus until I gave him a video on the NWO – I told him that the producers of the video were not Christian (all of a sudden he was willing to listen). He watched the video and his eyes nearly popped out his head. Since then he knows more about what is going on out there than me. The GOOD NEWS is, He started to ask my mother questions about Jesus 🙂 Can you believe it. So my mom has been speaking to him about the Gospel. Now he is trying to get his girlfriend saved. I kid you not. I had been trying to speak to my brother forever about Jesus and he was just not interested in hearing anything I had to say, he would get angry and shut me up. Now he quietly listens to me and thanks me for telling him. It’s a miracle.
PS, yes I r back 🙂

Praise The Lord Jesus Christ for that Deb’s… A LOT of people will NEVER listen UNTIL they are first confronted with things such as the ‘conspiracy theory’ stuff… Especially men… suppose men have a “mucho” attitude to get past when it comes to Christ therefore GLOBAL DOOM seems to do the thing to get them to open up to Jesus Christ… 😉

Burning Lamp says:

I think we have to make some distinctions and clarifications here about just exactly what are “conspiracies”.It calls for much wisdom. There are TRUE conspiracies that are exposed by level-headed folks, some Christians, some not. Those can be useful to open the eyes and put a chink in the armor.

However, there are those that find a demon under every rock and give more glory to the devil than point people to Christ. They are put out by people with bananas for brains. They lead people down bunny trails that lead to dead ends, often over a cliff.

For example, I saw a Christian website that promoted Texx Marrs, Alex Jones Info Wars, and a video stating that 9/11 was an inside job. That is NOT useful.

The bottom line we must remember is that in the final analysis, it is the Word of God that convicts the heart, not the words of man. When seeking to lead someone to Christ, stick to the verses in the Bible so the Holy Spirit can convict the heart.

One would think that just listening to the evening news should be enough to strike terror into the hearts of people to convince them they need help to get through this world and prepare for the next. Yes, be wise and use the right tools – some need a wake-up call and then they will see their need and listen to the Word of God.

Burning Lamp says:

One thing I might add – some people need to have their britches scared off to get their attention. Others are hurting and need to know the mercy, love and grace of God and what He did for us. Their hearts are tender, the others have a shell that needs to be dracked for the Light to come in. Different strokes for different folks, and yet they ALL need the pure Word of God to seal the deal.

And it is good for us as believers to be aware of the stuff that is going on to remind us that our God is faithful and His plan will go forward. We need not fear the future, but we are to be watchpeople to warn others. Not to instill fear, but to remind them of the Blessed Hope and how we are to live our lives in such a wicked world.

Burning Lamp says:

Christopher, I hope you listen to what Deborah is telling you. Dabbling in Conspiracy theories is a very slippery slope. For instance, you mention Fritz Springmeir. There is much confusion surrounding this man. http://www.illuminati-news.com/wes070906.htm

Christians have much better things to do with their time then to dig into areas of darkness. These things are not edifying and they do not build our faith. As believers our focus should be plumbing the depths of the Word of God and keeping our eyes on Christ, the Author and Finisher of our faith. God knows all and these things are not needful for us to know and they are mere speculation anyway.

No one, no one can subvert or prevent or counterfeit anything of God unless He permits it. And the key is to trust Him and learn more of Him and focus on going about doing His work rather than giving our attention to dark cospiracies, blood lines, etc. As to earthquakes or natural disasters, the Bible predicts them and that is all that matters.

I hope you will back away from the conspiracy stuff and make a deep study of God’s Word and devote yourself to prayer.

Christopher Henderson says:

Dear Burning Lamp,

Thank you for your kind words of advice, which are well-taken. I like to think I am aware of the dangerous aspects of conspiracy theories–and, believe it or not, am still somewhat ambivalent attitude toward them. Without a doubt, there is much disinformation out there in “conspiracy land;” that said, some of the investigators I have gravitated toward recently (including Barry Chamish) are in my opinion trustworthy.

As for Fritz Springmeier, I hope I didn’t give the impression that I view his words and opinions as “infallible.” Only God, and His Word, are truly infallible. (It is my own lack of discernment abilities/lack of understanding that has led to my not being clear about important concepts expressed in the Word such as the Rapture.) Although in my posts here I have put forth Springmeier’s article for the purposes of discussion, again, please don’t take this to mean that I subscribe without reservation to his perspective. I can think of at least two major not-Rapture-related areas in which Springmeier’s conclusions appear to be incorrect: 1) his identification of the alleged “most powerful bloodlines”–which from the additional readings I’ve done seems to be way off, and 2) his adherence to the theory of Jewish/Zionist control of the NWO (when I believe that in this regard especially, all roads lead to Rome–or at least to a certain city-state that resides therein). With these two errors in mind, it is obvious that in other matters (including the pre-Tribulation Rapture), Mr. Springmeier could very well be mistaken.

I agree with you that there is only so much the Lord wants us to know, and that engaging in speculation can be and often is counterproductive. I don’t blame you for being concerned about my sometimes-obsessive focus on conspiracy theories (although rest assured, said focus is NOT done to the exclusion of prayer, meditation, and the reading of God’s Word). By way of explanation, I can only say that my particular personal circumstances have prompted this conspiratorial focus. Without getting too much into details that you would undoubtedly regard with alarm and perhaps suspicion, let’s just say that my first exposure to Fritz Springmeier resulted from my frantic research into an area that is personally significant to me–the same concept I have mentioned in passing in my other posts: mind control. Perhaps in due time this is something I can talk about in more detail.

Burning Lamp, while I know that I need to increase my knowledge of God through His Word, and pray more often than I do, I also feel that faith is meant to be lived–that is, to be fused into one’s overall lifestyle. And with God’s help, I feel I have already made progress in this area: more specifically, I’ve incorporated His Commandments and the mindset He wants me to have into my personal interactions. From here, I have much additional work to do, however, because thanks to the strange and painful personal circumstances I’ve alluded to, most of the endeavors or one-time callings I involved myself in prior to my being born again in 2009 (work, school, creative efforts, etc.) are more or less closed off. While yes, this does give me a lot more time to read God’s Word, the extra time is problematic in other ways. I suppose the best way I can sum up my response thus far to the massive changes that have taken place in the last several years is this: more than anything else, I’ve sought the Truth (hopefully this doesn’t sound too cliched!). The most important way I’ve gone about doing so is to accept Jesus as my Lord and Savior and look to His inspiration and Word to help me conduct other truth-seeking efforts you may not find as worthwhile, including conspiracy research. As to the latter truth-seeking category, believe me, I often find myself wondering why I spend so much time on conspiracy theories! This is something I grapple with everyday.

At any rate, Burning Lamp, thanks again for your response (which I will do my best to heed), God bless you, and by all means, let’s continue our dialog.

Eddy says:

Deborah the 2 main reason for chem trailing ‘uncorroborated'(and my opinion is because access to info is so closely guarded)
1.The contractors are pumping heavy metals into the air especially USA and UK-Europe,heavy metals either float down or washed down into rivers and dams or Breathed in Cause; upper respiratory/eye infections when breathed in result increase in Pharma sales-(you need only to have done national service with Artillery to have experienced this in mass- I did)
Water born heavy metals get into your blood liver and kidneys :Cause weakening of the immune system making you susceptible to relatively minor conditions that then exaggerate.
Agenda: Population control and Big Pharma profits.
Solution- USA anti conspiracy agent develop ARGON de-fusses – this acts like a metal magnet and destroys the cloud formation.
Water born consumption: Colloidal silver is a natural anti metal oxidant and boosts the immune system,since its wide use the USA FDA has claimed that it may not be openly promoted.
Air craft pump Silver iodide into clouds to cause it to rain excessively and visa verso copper sulphates to prevent cloud formation causing drought,this weather warfare was effectively used in Vietnam.Our government is a token government for the people and is directly influenced by the G7 UN council and its policies
See agenda 21 and Millennium 2015 goals UNESCO.
Its all there in black and white no guessing.
When u and i were younger Cloud seeding in the low veld was popular to protect fruit farmers from Hail now they create drought push up water supply costs also as a population inhibitor.
Chow chow for now.

Christopher Henderson says:

Dear Deborah,

I think what I was trying to say in the last part of my previous message was that the Bible itself is both simple enough to be actionable (believe and trust in God, repent of our sins, and be saved!), and surprisingly complex (as in the intricacies of the Book of Revelation). A proper theological understanding such as the one you have (and I aspire to) definitely helps make the complexity of God’s Word more understandable.

On the subject of sin, this ties into the reservations I have about whether or not the Lord will see fit to include me in His Rapture. (And thank you for the links, which, as important reminders of God’s faithfulness, give me hope.) While again, I have committed innumerable sins–all of which are humiliating to me–I know that none of them, except one that I may or may not have committed, are forgivable. That one terrible sin is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, which the Bible states cannot be forgiven. The fact that God has answered my spirit of repentance with the strength to resist sins that trapped me for years gives me hope that perhaps I didn’t commit the unforgivable sin. After all, why would He help bring my sins into remission (which has been a long, gradual, and ongoing process) if He already saw me as worthless/doomed due to blasphemy? Still, I can’t help but feel worried. And despite the soul-searching I’ve done, online research, and personal inquiries I’ve made into what actually qualifies as blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, I still don’t feel as though I have a definitive answer. Deborah, Burning Lamp, Eddy, and anyone else on here: if you have any insight into this matter, please let me know. The determination I’ve reached is that regardless of whether or not I committed that terrible sin, I will continue to strengthen my faith and do everything I can to walk in obedience to the Lord. As far as what the future may hold goes, I am comfortable with whatever judgment God ultimately makes with regard to my soul because I know that unlike most temporal authorities, He is just. Until that day comes, again, I will keep on making progress and not let my fears prevent me from doing the right thing. Thanks for listening!

Michael says:

For example: Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is you as a Christian turning your back on God and actually by mouth denying Jesus Christ and following another religion (god). For instance, I know of a girl who I used to work with who was a Christian, she then met a Jewish guy, she fell head over heels in love. In order to marry him she had to denounce Christianity. So she did, she went through a 1 year program and finally denounced Jesus Christ and was baptized as into the Jewish faith. That Christopher is blaspheming the Holy Spirit.

Good example Deb’s.
She is heading for hell if this continues but even this can be forgiven if she turns around and repents…in order for this to happen would again come from Holy Spirit conviction but she might again resist…the bible teaches that God’s Spirit will not always strive with man.
If this does happen it will be purely because of His mercy and grace.
Irreveverance and abuse of God’s costly grace is dangerous game to play and can cost you your soul if you don’t repent and return to Him but I very much doubt if this woman was truly saved in the first place.

Christopher Henderson says:

Dear Burning Lamp,

Thanks! I take heart from the interactions I’m having with you, Deborah, and Eddy. I am very glad I encountered this website and all of the intelligent, knowledgeable, and caring people who frequent it–yourself very much included.

Yes, it is true that we cannot earn our way into Heaven. The good deeds the Lord wants us to do on His behalf should come out of a desire to do right by Him, not out of a sense of “earning” our salvation. I totally agree. All we need to do is believe and trust in Him and repent of our sins! While all fall short of the glory of God, He is merciful and faithful to forgive us for our transgressions–past, present, and future.

As I pointed out to Deborah in one of my recent posts, my concern over my spiritual condition stems not from a lack of faith in God’s willingness to forgive the vast majority of my sins (which I have repented of to the best of my ability–applying as I do the standard of “sins repented of are not repeated”), but of worries over whether or not I committed the unforgivable sin of blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. However, as Deborah has pointed out in her most recent response on this thread (which I will have to respond to tomorrow because it is getting very late), this concern may be unnecessary!

I will look into Chris Pinto’s information, as I am always interested in history, and furthering the knowledge of the country I call home. Thanks for the recommendation. I note that you also are concerned over Dominionism, a school of thought that although I’ve heard of I’m not overly familiar with. At some point I’ll take a look at it as well–remembering to bear your and Deborah’s warnings in mind. I am aware of the existence of certain church groups that advocate a reading of Romans 13 that demands unquestioning, blind obedience to our governments–which I agree is alarming. In “Common Sense,” Thomas Paine does an excellent job of assembling Scriptural arguments that mollify–not negate–what Apostle Paul states in Romans 13. For indeed, without these Scriptures (including Samuel 8), it would have been difficult for the American revolutionaries to find sufficient justification with which to inspire the citizenry to rise up against injustice.

Thanks again for all of your kind words and encouragement; this means a lot to me. Over time, and thanks in part to interactions such as the one we’re having, I’m becoming more acquainted with the full scope of God’s miraculous forgiveness. This is exactly the kind of edification I need!

Michael says:

yes I also love it when a plan comes together…not the “A’ Team with Hannibal ( the late George Peppard) but with a saved soul…like me and you…I sincerely hurt and feel the pain of my Christian brothers that are following devils doctrines…I understand this very well as I was a devoted victim of this…Christians! throw out preachers…books…etc…etc…read your bible and be very, very honest and sincere with your honesty,sincerity and integrity…do not follow Angus Buchan, Joyce Meyer, Benny Hinn and even Billy Graham or John Mc Arthur just the simple instructions passed through the ages by the annointed writers…not the modern day charlatans of today.

Michael says:

Crumbs kudos to you Debs for the editing …but I am too slow… a few mistakes…must be my Irish blood??

Christopher Henderson says:

Dear Deborah,

I am really glad we’re having this conversation, because in it you’ve addressed both my recent concerns (e.g. how to understand Revelation in light of all of the chaos that’s been taking place in recent months and years), and a long-running worry I’ve had (whether or not I committed blasphemy of the Holy Spirit).

Regarding the latter concern (which has been something of a nightmare for me), your analysis is much appreciated, and dovetails nicely with some of the other reading I’ve done on this subject. It certainly does make sense that blasphemy of the Holy Spirit in its original context refers to the Pharisees’ willful attribution of Jesus’ divine works to demonic sources. And although there are different interpretations as to what this concept represents in today’s world, I feel that you could very well be correct in equating it to a continued state of unbelief. In other words, your interpretation is the one that makes the most sense to me. Thanks! By this definition, for the most part I’m in decent shape.

You may be wondering, then, why it is that I’ve still had doubt. Well, maybe the answer is that I am still reeling from the blasphemies I did commit, which although they don’t appear to be blasphemies of the Holy Spirit per se are sickening nonetheless. Sure, the worst ones by far happened many years ago when I was completely lost, and I don’t even dream of cursing God these days (I have finally understood that He wasn’t the author of the suffering I experienced), but believe me when I tell you that these blasphemies–one of which was done in public–were terrible. With all of this in mind, and as you state, maybe my continuing to feel ill at ease (although not discouraged enough to abandon my faith) has been the Lord’s admonition to never do such a thing again! Because he still cares and hasn’t rejected me.

And you know what, Deborah, I think He does forgive me for my blasphemies, which in all fairness happened under a great deal of duress anyway. I am going to take your advice to heart. What I’ll do to close this matter out completely is talk it over with my pastor, get his thoughts, and assuming he’s in concordance with our viewpoint, let go of my fear and guilt over sins that believe me, I have gotten on my knees and asked for forgiveness for. In all aspects of life, this one particularly, I need to do more letting go and letting God!

Thanks for the link you provided, which I will certainly read, and don’t worry: I’m not done asking for forgiveness by any means! Many blessings to you.

Christopher Henderson says:

Dear Eddy,

I am glad the Lord led you out of those circumstances, and that you were amenable to His will which speaks very well of you. I was an alcoholic for many years so I can relate. Daily sins indeed…we are sinners! But blessed, forgiven, and saved.

“So take comfort with your convictions that is the Holy Spirit drawing you to work out your salvation.”

I like how you put this! Muchas gracias.

And I would love to visit South Africa! If I ever get the chance to do so, I will let you know. Please do likewise if you’d like to visit SoCal. The great thing about the Internet is that in a sense, we ARE visiting each other by conversing here!

Many blessings to you!

Christopher Henderson says:

Dear Deborah,

I just read the article “Lordship Salvation–Putting the Cart Before the Horse.” Some serious food for thought! Thanks again for all of your help; I really appreciate it.

Christopher Henderson says:

I have a feeling I may have gone a bit overboard on the conspiracy information. I apologize for this, and in the future I will do my best to limit my comments to theology-related matters.

Before I move on, however, I would like to make a few points for anyone who may be reading this. First of all, despite all of the criticisms I’ve made pertaining to conspiracies, I love my country and am hoping for the best. In regard to the Great American Streetcar Scandal, I understand that there are alternative ways of looking at this. For example, it could be argued that the implementation of the freeway system led to much more economic growth than what would have happened otherwise. Indeed, I can see the truth of this. As a person who believes in the beneficial power of private industry, I only wish that a little more thought would have been put back in the ’40s and ’50s to the long-term strategic implications of making America more dependent upon oil. Also, as someone who has spent many, many hours stuck in traffic jams, it seems to me that slightly more emphasis should have been put on public transportation from the get-go.

Being a believer in the power of free-market economics, however, doesn’t mean I am a fan of the prison-industrial complex. I am not and make no apologies for this.

Moving on to the scornful words I lodged at “our so-called national security establishment,” I think that anyone who takes the time to understand Iran-Contra, etc. will feel both horrified and disappointed by these abuses. This I feel is a normal and natural response. Also, I am anti-war (except in the case of an actual, physical invasion/bombardment of one’s home country, a scenario that of course demands vigorous defensive measures), another stance for which I make no apologies; and one that can occasionally lead to the expression of some frustration. That said, I am concerned for the well-being of all of my countrymen, very much including our troops who are currently deployed in the Middle East theater. If I had my way, I would bring these wars to a rapid conclusion via 9/11 Truth or other peaceful methods, bring our brave men and women home, and give them lavish benefits so that even those among them who are in good health and don’t have much in their savings accounts could live comfortably without having to work for 5-10 years or more. Excellent health benefits would necessarily be included as well, of course; with even more benefits/monthly income and the best care available given to those who have suffered traumatic injuries.

Where would all of this money come from, you might ask? Well, first of all, caring for our veterans should be a funding priority regardless of how said funds are made available. That said, there is a way to obtain a large volume of funds: by implementing the long-awaited Wanta Plan. With these trillions of off-balance-sheet dollars added back to the Treasury, we could easily take care of our troops, pay down a substantial portion of the national debt, and perhaps even use the funds to bring stability to the troubled regions we’re currently engaged in–that is to say, buy peace if we have to (e.g. by supplying substantial funds for the affected nations’ governments, their infrastructure projects, and for other forms of compensation; with additional “bonus” funds made available for the successful implementation of US and internationally agreed-upon democratic objectives). Also for the soldiers who may want to work right away after returning home, we could give them the option of working for a Wanta Plan-boosted Army Corps. of Engineers and pay them good salaries to help rebuild America’s decaying infrastructure which is in desperate need of assistance. Alternatively, these veterans could work for private corporations endowed by Wanta Plan funds to bring about the same goal–said corporations also being in a good position to provide numerous jobs to private citizens as well. I could go on and on about other massive benefits that could be conferred via the repatriation of the Wanta funds, but in the interest of brevity I’ll go ahead and stop here.

The last couple of points I will make before signing off involve a reference I made to Apostle Paul’s authorship of Romans 13, and one other matter. While yes, technically Paul did write Romans 13, as well as numerous other Scriptures, I am well aware of the fact that he was Holy Spirit-inspired to do so. Therefore in a very real sense, and as I’m sure most if not all of you will agree, GOD wrote the Book of Romans, as He did all of the Bible. The reason I brought Romans 13 up in the first place was to comment on what I regard as the questionable interpretation some make of it that leads to a “never, ever, question temporal authorities” mindset.

Finally, I’d like to comment on the prayer I encouraged people to make: for Lord Jesus to return soon; or for enough people to become aware of the NWO’s abuses and outraged to act on Lord Jesus’ behalf; or both. Seeing how strict some folks are about exegesis on this forum–which I totally understand and respect; for God definitely wants us to understand Him correctly–this prayer may have been viewed as improper. (If anybody even read it that is! LOL.) To such a perspective, I can only say that my understanding of the Scriptures is as I said, somewhat limited–especially in areas pertaining to eschatology. Actually I can say more than that: I believe that Christians need to do more to stand up to injustice. While it could very well be true that only God’s direct manifestation in the form of Jesus’ Second Coming will be sufficient to correct the injustices that proliferate on Earth (please Lord Jesus, return soon!), I don’t view this as a license to be apathetic to the suffering that’s taking place. And although I know that many Christians aren’t apathetic, I can’t help but feel frustrated at the continuance of a status quo that is destructive to the interests of the vast majority of the people on Earth, as well as to the planet itself. If I am misguided in this regard, then I trust that in due time the Lord will correct me. In the interim, I must find a way to grow my mustard seed- or even grain of sand-sized faith to the point that I just don’t worry as much.

I appreciate your patience, and much love in Christ Jesus to all.

Burning Lamp says:

Christopher, it is good that you seem to be coming into a balance on the conspiracy thing. However, may I be so bold as to make some suggestions and some references for you to check out? For starters, here: Please read this short commentary as a basis. Then as I recommended previously, get Chris Pinto’s documentary on America. It will be a mindblower, but should be right up your alley.

Trust me, there are more than enough true, bonafide facts that are documented that should keep one occupied and never have to pay any attention to conspiracy theories and remember, they are just that, theories, speculations.

I could see you really sinking your intellectual teeth into the subject of eschatology, but be sure to form your mindset arm yourself with your Bible in one hand and a good commentary in the other. I highly recommend H.A. Ironside’s expositoy notes. You can order them online, you will not find them in a “Christian” bookstore.

Every social problem has a spiritual root cause. For example, abortion is a horrible evil. But it is driven by ignorance, selfishness and greed. It is not that the churches fail to stand up against social evils, it is that the churches fail to present the true Gospel message, make true converts, properly disciple and teach the sheep and equip them to go out and share the Gospel and make disciples. We are to be about God’s business first and foremost and that does not include picketing abortion clinics alongside those of apostate religions simply because they agree on this topic. Well-meaning, moral folks can stand up and rail against social evils, but it does nothing for their eternal destiny or the eternal destiny of those who are seeking the abortions.

May the Lord guide you in your walk and lead you into all truth.

Christopher Henderson says:

Dear Burning Lamp,

Thanks for the kind words! As for me, I’m not altogether convinced that I’ve got a good balance with the conspiracy theories–not yet at least–but I’m doing my best to be the man God wants me to be. Certainly there is room for improvement, which I hope will be forthcoming.

I just read the Realtime Fellowship article, which I found very thought-provoking. Thanks! Being a conspiracy researcher in addition to a Christian, I understand the concept of the Vatican extending its hegemony to America via the ecumenical movement–as well as their subversion of US Protestant denominations via Scottish Rite/Jesuit “illuminized” Freemasonry (remembering of course that many of our Founding Fathers were Masons…gulp!). I agree with Realtime’s analysis in this regard, although I haven’t given up all hope on American Protestantism; and, their possible occultic beliefs aside, I find much to admire about our Founding Fathers. (Some of whom were quite aware of the Vatican’s temporal aspirations, and spoke out vigorously against them. Perhaps unsurprisingly, these quotes have been largely scoured from the annals of history. From the Vatican’s perspective, it wouldn’t do to have Adams’ blasting of the Jesuits included in modern-day American textbooks, would it?)

Now let’s proceed to Realtime’s assertion that freedom of religion (stipulated in our 1st Amendment, which, interestingly enough, some credit to the principles of Protestantism) is a wicked doctrine. Honestly Burning Lamp, I have some difficulty with this. It’s not that I agree with ecumenism, or that I view the worship of “gods” other than our God of Israel as OK. Certainly the Bible in both the Old and New Testaments makes clear that there is only one path to salvation: and that is through the worship of our Triune God YHVH/Y’shua/Holy Spirit. However, to state that in declaring freedom of religion our Constitution advocates apostasy/heresy is a bit of a stretch in my opinion. As you will hopefully agree, God gave us Free Will–which means He wants us to come to Him willingly. (Although I agree with the Calvinists in some aspects of their Free Will doctrine, for me the fact that God in His omniscience, even knowing ahead of time that Adam and Eve would make the wrong choice, saw fit to give them Free Will anyway speaks volumes as whether or not He intended/intends for us to have it.) Therefore, for the US government (or any other government for that matter) to “mandate” an adherence to Christianity, they would in a sense overstep what could be viewed as an important boundary. (Now, would said “overstepping” be a greater error than possibly allowing souls to be lost to other faiths due to freedom of religion protections? That is an interesting, and debatable, line of inquiry.) As for the Illuminati plot to destroy Christian faith, an agenda that can be seen advocated in a number of ways in our “modern” society, rest assured that I oppose this wholeheartedly! Look at our unemployment. Look at our mental health statistics. Look at our debt levels. Look at the divorce rates. Look at the abortion rates. By any number of measures, as we become more “modernized” and apostate, we sink deeper and deeper into misery. I for one don’t view this (which I attribute to the Illuminazi lunatics’ war on faith, NOT to our 1st Amendment) as a coincidence.

Moving on (and it looks like this is going to be another long-winded post; I hope you don’t mind!), I think it’s also important to answer the question of whether or not our separation of church and state/advocacy of freedom of religion is proper by looking at a variety of Scriptures. Realtime has cited the First Commandment as well as other Scriptures to back up their position. Fair enough; I can understand and respect that. But what about Matthew 22:21 and Mark 12:17? Couldn’t these be interpreted as supportive of a separation of church and state? I believe so; and indeed, pro-Establishment Clause theologians have been citing them in support of their position for centuries. Who’s ultimately right? Well, God is, of course! Whether He stands with the good folks at Realtime or those in favor of freedom of religion AS A GOVERNMENT POLICY is a difficult question. I can tell you that as an American who’s proud of the Constitution, a Christian who understands and agrees completely with the truth of salvation only coming through Jesus Christ, and someone who believes in the critical importance of Free Will, I don’t see the First Amendment’s freedom of religion provision as an inherently bad thing.

Finally, on the topic of America’s freedom of religion allegedly being a Trojan Horse for the Church of Rome’s ecumenical movement, I would just like to point out that as of the late 18th century when the Constitution was written, the Vatican wasn’t promoting ecumenism. Quite the opposite, in fact: at that time, the Jesuits’ counter-Reformation (which very much denies freedom of religion, by the way) was in full swing. It wasn’t until the 1960s, with Vatican II (which completely and totally conflicts with the still-in-effect-to-this-day Council of Trent–one of many holes in the absurd doctrine of papal “infallibility”) that the Vatican began promoting ecumenism. Therefore I find Realtime’s assertions in this regard a bit strange. (Charles Carroll’s somewhat troubling influence, which I am still trying to piece through, notwithstanding.)

Burning Lamp, I am well aware of the perils of the ecumenical movement, and how ecumenism conflicts with numerous Scriptures. As such, I am not in favor of ecumenism. However I do believe that there are God-given rights and freedoms, and that the US Bill of Rights does much to preserve them. (I like the Declaration as well, but technically it isn’t a binding legal document like the Constitution is–or was, that is, before the advent of legislation such as the wicked so-called “Patriot Act.”)

Now, is Realtime correct in asserting that the American Dream itself is satanic? That is a frightening thought. Certainly materialism/consumerism, which America’s critics often associate with the American Dream, is misguided (at best). Although there is plenty of blame to go around for the proliferation of material desires in American society, I for one feel that not enough attention goes to the “elites” themselves, who have promoted consumerism for the purposes of enriching themselves. Indeed, we here in the States are barraged with thousands of advertising messages every day–messages that are designed to make us feel insecure/worthless/”left out” if we don’t buy the featured products. Many of the ads use sexual overtones to bring said feelings about–which is degrading to both men and women. Without getting too much more into this well-documented and tragic trend, I’d like to take a moment to point out one of the “elites'” most diabolical hypocrisies: as they conspire to saturate American “consumers” (a word that I’ve grown to hate) with their “buy now!” “buy now or you ain’t nothing!” propaganda, and reap the subsequent profits, they then have the guts to turn around and, through various “foundations” and “thinktanks,” label Americans as materialistic and wasteful! While the shamelessness and depravity of this would be bad enough in and of itself, said “elites” then proceed to use their misanthropic and hypocritical categorization of Americans to declare that on the basis of our “elite”-encouraged consumption levels, there are “too many people on Earth” and “we” must “depopulate!” In other words, first they need us to fund their lavish lifestyles (via our purchase of their products); but once they’re rolling in dough thanks in large part to us, we become nothing more than “useless eaters” to be killed off! That’s gratitude for you, huh?

(One might ask the likes of rabid “depopulationist” Ted Turner why he bothered having children in the first place, if there are “too many people on the planet.” Or why these morons continue to ignore the internationally acknowledged, worldwide development known as demographic winter–a phenomenon which completely invalidates their idiotic, nihilistic, anti-Christian, and misanthropic so-called worldview.)

(For the record, despite my angry words I don’t hate rich people; I only hate the warped perspective that some–certainly not all–of them have. And while without a doubt, we need private companies to make products and provide employment, the advertising has gotten way, way out of hand.)

After having made that long digression, I’d like to return to the American Dream and state that in what I regard as its original meaning (i.e. life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness), there was and is nothing wrong with it. Yes, there is the ugly fact that in some ways, a happy life for the “privileged few” in centuries past (and some would argue up to the present) came at the expense of others’ freedoms and even lives. In a 300+ year genocide that has very few parallels, tens of millions of Native Americans were murdered right here in North America. Also to America’s shame, African slaves were forcibly brought here against their will and brutalized by supposedly “freedom- and equality-loving” white folks. And unfortunately, there have been many other infamies that have taken place on our soil (the treatment of Chinese-Americans, Irish-Americans, Japanese-Americans, and Italian-Americans come to mind). Nowadays there are the horrors of “COINTELPRO Redux”–a covert war against the domestic American population that involves brutally sadistic field agent- and directed energy weapon-based tortures that are often done to the death, with no due process or human rights whatsoever extended to the victims (of which I am one). And then, of course, there’s the specter of “elite”-mandated materialism that I’ve already discussed here in some detail.

But you know what? I said it before and I will say it again: there is nothing wrong with life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, provided that 1) they are truly upheld with equality; and 2) “happiness” isn’t automatically equated with how much one owns or what status they possess. Yes, obviously we have failed miserably on both points at various times throughout our history–but that doesn’t mean that the American Dream, at least in the pure form in which I like to think of it–is satanic. We have strength in diversity; great cultural achievements in the arts; many inspirational political, civic, and military leaders; and our achievements in business, warts and all, are unparalleled in world history. Therefore I can say that despite the sad shape America is in these days–which has been many, many years in the making–and despite the fact that I can understand certain aspects of Realtime’s criticism of the American Dream, I can’t agree with their categorical statement in this regard. America is a great country–and if it isn’t, it will one day be again.

Whew! This is turning into a long, long post. But I like the discussion we’re having, and I think I’ve already addressed the most complex and perhaps difficult aspects of what I’d like to say/blather on about (LOL).

Abortion is evil. There is no doubt in my mind about this. Of course, coming from a purportedly “left-wing” family, I always had feminism shoved down my throat; which wouldn’t seem to be necessarily sinister except for the fact that unfortunately, in addition to their understandable interest in promoting equal rights, feminists often fiercely uphold “a woman’s right to choose.” I believe the foundation for this goes back to Margaret Sanger, the notorious eugenicist who some claim advocated the sterilization of minorities on the basis of their allegedly being “inferior”/”not fit to reproduce.” Really I wish that feminists, many of whom are probably well-meaning people, would do a little research into Sanger; as well as the CIA’s and Rockefellers’ covert funding/advocacy of their movement, and see that they’ve been hoodwinked into supporting an agenda that the freedom-hating NWO has used for their own nefarious purposes for quite some time now. There was an image I recall seeing a couple of years ago in which Gloria Allred grins creepily while wearing an “I had an abortion” t-shirt. I mean come on! It’s bad enough to have an abortion, but I can’t help but find the idea of advertising having done so appalling.

On my end, and in all fairness, I have to carefully reconsider my recent advocacy of the purported civil rights group the ACLU, because sadly, in addition to the litigation they undertake for the purposes of putting the police state in check (which largely accounts for my support thus far of their organization), the ACLU also insists on promoting abortion rights. This is a difficult admission for me to make; and, Burning Lamp, I hope you won’t judge me too harshly for having made it.

As for your statement that “Well-meaning, moral folks can stand up and rail against social evils, but it does nothing for their eternal destiny or the eternal destiny of those who are seeking the abortions,” this is a tough one for me. I understand that we are saved through grace and not through works. However, that said, would we even have Protestant freedoms and indeed Reformation-based theology in America and other places if people hadn’t fought to preserve these things? If those people hadn’t laid down their lives in Europe, America, and other places over the course of centuries, would we even have the freedom today to read and advocate the Word the way we want to? If the answer is “no,” then it would seem to follow that all of the soul-winning God wanted His people to do in the years that followed those costly military and spiritual victories wouldn’t have been possible. Why wouldn’t God look favorably upon those whose sacrifice helped preserve our freedoms and faith?

I’m not necessarily disagreeing with what you state here; I just thought I’d give you a little food for thought. And yes, in due time I will check out what Chris Pinto has to say. Meanwhile, and until I hear from you again, may God bless you and thanks for the dialog! Christopher Henderson, signing off.

Christopher Henderson says:

Dear Burning Lamp,

After all that, I guess I didn’t quite write enough; because there’s one more matter I feel I should clear up.

In addressing your statement of “Well-meaning, moral folks can stand up and rail against social evils, but it does nothing for their eternal destiny or the eternal destiny of those who are seeking the abortions,” in which I referenced the victories of the American Revolution, the English fleet’s triumph over the Armada, the Thirty Years War, etc. as examples of standing up to injustice that I would hope God would look favorably upon, I did not mean this as an endorsement of violence against abortion clinics. While I am against abortion and would support those who speak out against abortion, I don’t advocate the use of violence against abortion doctors and their clinics.

Just thought I’d give that additional $0.02. Hopefully it helps.

Burning Lamp says:

America is a great country–and if it isn’t, it will one day be again.

Christopher, thank you for your thoughtful response. However, I can’t agree with you on this statement and the Bible does not support it. That is why I urge you to get your eschatological ducks in a row. It changes your whole outlook and also I sent you a link to dispel the whole notion of idolizing America. Unless you check these things out and digest them, there is no further room for discussion. You need to get up to speed on these topics of the Lord’s soon and imminent return and also the fallacy of looking to America, that it will be redeemed. We sing “God Bless America” and God HAS blessed America far beyond anything we have deserved – but times are changing – we have reached critical mass and the prophecies of the Bible are coming to pass. America has refused to bless God and this is only escalating.

Best wishes to you and I pray God will enlighten you and guide you!!

Christopher Henderson says:

Also, there are some other clarifications I’d like to make.

When I stated that the counter-Reformation was still underway during the time that the Constitution was written, I neglected to mention the fact that the Jesuits, considered to be the heart of the counter-Reformation, were still considered technically non-existent due to the Bull of Extinction that had been issued in 1773. Therefore as of 1787, the counter-Reformation probably wasn’t “in full swing;” or at least wasn’t being carried out as overtly as it had been in decades/centuries past. However, the Council of Trent was still very much in effect at that time, as again it reportedly is today despite Vatican II–meaning that although the counter-Reformation had probably receded somewhat, it was still an ongoing concern. This correction doesn’t change the fact that ecumenism, which Realtime claims was the motivation behind the First Amendment, was NOT being preached by the Vatican during the time of the Constitutional Convention.

Also, after taking some more time to think about Realtime’s questioning of our separation of church and state and American Dream, I find myself feeling puzzled. What would they rather have, the Council of Trent, inquisitions, and people being burned at the stake? I repeat that I like the Bill of Rights and every provision in it, as well as the American Dream–even having knowledge of America’s failings. The idea of God-given rights IS a Judeo-Christian principle, and recalls the second of God’s most important Commandments as expressed in the New Testament: to love our neighbors as ourselves. (No offense BL!)

Now, when I stated that “if [America] isn’t great, it will one day be again,” I didn’t mean this as simply an expression of general optimism. There are some very powerful, non-partisan, moves that we can make to bring this about–and soon. One such move would be, as I said, to implement the Wanta Plan (which if some of the reports I’ve read are accurate, President Obama is in favor of); which would lead to a variety of beneficial outcomes for the people of the US and the world. Another one would be, again, for the government to allow a real 9/11 investigation; which in addition to revealing the complicity of Bush administration officials (seeing as even the most brutal punishment imaginable wouldn’t do a thing to alter the horrific impact of Bush’s/Cheney’s actions in this regard, I for one am not really that interested in punishing them), would more importantly give our military every reason to withdraw from Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan. It’s not that I want us to lose these conflicts, mind you; it’s just that based on 9/11 lies we shouldn’t have been there to begin with. We need to get those men and women out of harm’s way, and back home where we can care for them. With a simultaneous implementation of the Wanta Plan, we can do this very thing, create a bunch of new jobs in the public and private sectors, and provide financial incentives for peace in I/A/P at the same time.

(If energy-related concerns account for “why we really went,” well, we’re supposed to have about 1.5 trillion barrels of oil right here in the US. Even better than that, there are all kinds of free/renewable energy sources that can be rolled out to make us both energy-independent and easier on the environment.)

I repeat: despite our failings, America is great. As with any temporal institution, however, there’s always room for improvement.

I’ll get off my high horse now and go back to watching baseball!

Burning Lamp says:

Dear Christopher,

Thank you for your thoughtful discourse and charitable manner in which you express your views. The way you describe your private and personal suffering and struggles cannot help but generate empathy and compassion.

If I may I would like to address several of your comments:

You said, “a perspective that, based on my understanding of their worldviews, American Founding Fathers such as Washington, Jefferson, and Madison would have agreed with wholeheartedly).”

I must ask you if you ever went to the site I recommended to learn the documented truth about the founding fathers? This should greatly interest you in your research. Until you take this step and digest that information you will continue in your faulty thinking. May I again respectfully ask you to look into this and then come back with your comments about it.

You said:
“that the leaders whom the Lord will look favorably upon when He returns are the ones who are wise and faithful. That is, the ones who live up to their responsibilities and the trust we give them.”

The Lord will not “look favorably” upon anyone, regardless of their station in life unless they are trusting in His Son, Jesus Christ. Their good works, no matter if they are good leaders, kind, loyal and have all those good human qualities will count for nothing because there is no way to please God except through the sacrifice of His Son. If there
was a way, Christ would not have needed to be sacrificed.

You said, “I WILL NOT relinquish my hope and patriotism.”

Christopher, our hope is NOT in any country, our hope is ONLY in Jesus Christ. No country on earth is worthy of our devotion – our true citizenship is NOT here – it is in heaven. Any good deeds we do here are not to honor our government, they are to honor our Lord and Savior. Yes, we are to care about the poor, but if we only feed them physical food and leave them spiritually bankrupt we have done a terrible thing. We are to live for God in all that we do, to glorify HIM and serve HIM. That means that we live by Biblical principles and keep the laws unless they are in conflict with the Bible.
Yes, we are to be aware of what goes on in the world, but we have to acknowledge that this is a fallen world and the road is narrow and few will find it.

If your hope is in a government or a country you WILL be disappointed. Christopher, here is the definition of “patriotism”. devoted love, support, and defense of one’s country; national loyalty.

We are to love the Lord our God will ALL of ourselves. He is the ONLY One Who is deserving of our love and devotion. Anything we do is supposed to be done with Him in mind first and foremost. God has blessed this country despite the fact that we have spit in His face, killed His creations and legalized immorality. But His patience will not last – no country can retain greatness when materialism
is their god and self reigns. Again, you will better understand all of this if you take a hard look at the origins I mentioned. Until you do that, you will not understand.

I too wish you well and sincerely hope you will grow in your faith and understanding of eschatology and receive healing from your wounds. You are obviously a very sincere person who desires truth.