Christian Right Fuses with Apostolic Dominionism

Deborah (Discerning the World)

Discerning the World is an internet Discernment ministry based in Johannesburg South Africa that was founded by Deborah du Rand in 2008. Tom Lessing joined Deborah in May 2013. Tom Lessing founded the website "Waak en Bid/Watch and Pray" which was closed in 2013 and articles moved across to DTW.

31 Responses

  1. Elmarie A says:

    Great work Debs. Thank you!!!!
    May many many read this is important!!
    We must watch and pray and pray and pray.

  2. Pete says:

    Good work again.
    The powers of Darkness are united. Whether your perspective is pre or post trib there is and will be persecution of Gods true Church.
    May His hand strengthen us in Jesus Name.

  3. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:


    Bible didn’t say we would not esape harm of any kind. People get hurt every day. But I look towards Jesus more and more for Him to return NOW. 🙂

  4. Robbie says:

    I get so excited when the clouds gather…
    When there are millions of little ants all over the place I know the rain is coming.
    The day when the clouds builds up… and there are NO ants!!
    I will call you guys!!

  5. Kipper says:

    “12Indeed, all who desire to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted, 13while evil people and impostors will go on from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived.” 2 Tim 3:12-13

    It’s funny that so many people seem to think we’re going to just take the world back for the Lord. Why ingore the fact that the world will hate us? I pray that those who are true believers in Jesus Christ will stay strong in him and endure until the end.

  6. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:


    That’s it. It’s also funny that this is no where mentioned in the bible. It’s a disaster. And the entire world is going this ‘act good’ route. Build the kingdom of God on earth and then when ‘The Christ’ comes he will clap his hands at mens handy work and then rule. Well he sure will rule because he will be the anti-Christ and the world will suffer unlike anything ever seen in history before.

  7. James Jackson says:

    I live in The US. I am a conservative. The tea party is not represented here, fairly. Fact is, it is not a Christian movement. It is about taxes and lying politicians. You mentioned Republicans in your article. What about leftist democrats> They are the abortionist party first and foremost. They support socialist policies and many issues which is anti Christian. As a Christian I have every right and am expected to protest evil when I see it I loved your site until I began to realize that perhaps your agenda is just as political as the leftist of America. Pleaes inform me if I’m misunderstanding you. Thank you…Jim

  8. Alec says:

    The Kingdom of God is among us (the Church) now. We do not have a mandate to take over the nations per se, but a mandate to preach the gospel and make disciples of all nations. As the church goes about fulfilling the great commission, and more and more of those disciples live in obedience to the King of kings, the natural effect will be a more godly culture. The church itself does not rule the nations, but the people of the church should not be retreating from these so-called “spheres of influence.” They should be ‘tent making” in them and preaching and making disciples. These fake apostles are only out for political power and not the furtherance of the Kingdom of God, which does not come with observation and which flesh and blood cannot inherit.
    That being said, we have a responsibility as citizens of these United States of America to vote our conscience and be politically active as we are (supposedly) self-governed through elected representatives. Pulling back into our little sanctuaries is just giving ground to the ungodly and profane.

  9. mom4truth says:

    I wrote a blog about this very subject called, “Election time! Does Christianity Matter?” The Tea Party participants are not for Godly values, but for FISCAL conservatives. This leaves us with morally dry and weak candidates who may have the right financial answers. I offer, does it matter if we are financially wealthy but morally bankrupt? Alec, you say we have the responsibility to vote and be politically active, but I believe our greater responsibility is to NOT vote for someone who is not truly saved. It does not honor God when we vote for someone who will seemingly protect our worldly comforts but is not saved of Christ. Christ warns that you are either for us or against us…If someone is not saved, then they are automatically against us and do not deserve the Christian vote. Those who are Catholics, those who attend emergent churches- these are not the saved of Christ and I have yet to find a truly saved candidate. Christ was not concerned with politics but with sharing the truth with a dying generation, and has compelled us to the same. This world is perishing- our concern needs to be now sharing the gospel with the lost. You say, Alec, that pulling back into our sanctuaries gives ground to the ungodly and profane, yet you think we emerge from said sanctuaries in a voting booth, and I say we emerge by sharing the gospel and fighting the war in people’s hearts.

  10. louise says:

    No matter who you vote for they will be dishonest,lying,greedy, people who say one thing but mean another. I am not an American but seeing how that Muslim President Barack Hussein Obama gets away with what he does I pity all who live under his control. All heads of states barring China have to answer to the NWO. The Tea Party is just another political party who has been placed there by the NWO to keep the public distracted.

  11. Paul says:

    China is actually a tool of the NWO. In 1920 Rothschild went to China and recruited Mao into Freemasonry.

    Currently, America is being purposefully destroyed and China has been developed and lifted up, it is the model into which all countries will be turned and which we will all live under.

    Everything is working as planned by the Zionists under the protocols established in the mid 1800s’

    It really is exciting to see Scriptural prophecy happen; it will be painfull for the world but then guess what? He will be back!

  12. Brandon Hawkins says:

    I decided to check out this page when it came up inthe google search options when looking up a person suggested by a friend. after reading some of this and finally turning to the Bible & doing some reading I read Jonah & then Galatians & this is what stands out the most
    Galatians 5: 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other.

  13. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:


    I can also go and pull out a verse in the bible to rebuke you. Why don’t you instead tell me why Dominionism is right and back it up with scripture. This should be interesting.

  14. Cyndy says:

    I have been observing and researching these things since the end of June 2009, primarily to find explanations to a lot of situations I have run into in my family and the church. This is merely one of my conclusions, and I have not seen anyone else mention it, but Revelation 17 prophesies “the great harlot,” a woman sitting on a scarlet colored beast, decked with gold (wealth), full of blasphemy, abominations and fornication. Interestingly enough, v. 9 says, “And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.” With this scripture in mind, I cannot help but notice the Dominionists’ CHOICE of terminology, the “seven mountains” of dominion. You can easily see their alliance with politicians, world leaders, they have their own media and are being used to get Christians into the antichrist’s kingdom. She will persecute the saints unto death, then the beast will turn on her once he’s gotten what he wanted from her. In Rev. 18:4, a voice from heaven says, “Come out of her, my people…”

  15. Mike says:

    Yes, you could pull out a verse in the Bible to rebuke Brandon, or anyone else who doesn’t fit your paradigm.

    In fact, that’s what most people on here live to do.

    The fact that your ilk comes up with a dangerous-sounding name like Dominionism, instead of joining together to be salt and light is more sad than “interesting.”

    The Kingdom of God is not, and never will be at stake. America very well could be.

  16. Josh says:

    *To Cyndy: You mentioned Rev. 17; you’re correct to notice that these people are unbiblical in thought and action (in this area); you are correct to notice that this great whore sits upon seven mountains (v.9). But did you notice that it is she “with whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication (v.2)”? Please notice that that great whore is a “city which reigneth over the kings of the earth (v.18).” Which “city,” of all the cities in the world, is it that “reigns” oven all the “kings of the earth” and sits upon seven ‘mountains’ or ‘hills’? There was only one in John’s day, and there is only one in our day: it is spiritual Babylon, the city Rome, Italy. Yes, she is the “Mother of Harlots” (these antichrist systems) and – in my opinion – has spawned the 7 Mountain mandate. It is the same plan Rome has always had: Domination. And it is to be done by the same method: to establish a theocracy, headed by their bishop, and brow-beat unregenerate, unredeemed people with the 10 Commandments – Commandments which they couldn’t keep even if they tried (Romans 8:7-8). It is a horrible thing when we’ve made our patriotism (not a bad thing by itself), instead of our evangelism, the driving force behind our religious zeal.

    *To Mike: you said: “Yes, you could pull out a verse in the Bible to rebuke Brandon, or anyone else who doesn’t fit your paradigm.” 1) We are to join together with true believers, for they, not heretics, are the salt of the earth. 2) If a true believer gets of course, and they refuse to repent, we – in love – treat them like the unregenerate man they want to act like (until they come back in true repentance). No one can make a solid, expositional case from the Bible to be “salt and light” with disobedient Christians and unregenerate men. It is true that we are to be “salt and light” to a “dead and dying world.” Jesus said so in Matt. 5. We find this in v. 13… but it comes with a warning about “losing our saltiness.” This warning comes on the heels of v.1-12. Verses 10-12 say that ours is the Kingdom when we are persecuted, reviled and falsely spoken of (c.f. John 17:14-17)… how could that happen if “we” have “Dominion” over the entire earth? We are “light” when we “walk in the Spirit” (Gal. 5:16) not fulfilling the lusts of the flesh; thus, because of Christ, we can and are to be holy [separate] and righteous (Prov. 4:18-19): we then are ‘living sacrifices’ whose path is lit by the Word (Ps.:119:105) of Truth (John 17:17)… and that is the Word by which we are sanctified and made ready for use.

    Taking over America for Christ is nonsense. Setting up a “preparatory dominion” for Christ is ludicrous (i.e. false prophet and Romanist, Rick Joyner). Deborah is right to ask Brandon to back up the Seven Mountain Mandate with scripture. Since she failed to do so, I extent that invitation to you…

  17. Mike says:

    Josh, I could give you several dozen Scriptures that “back up” Christians living lives of light in the darkness in our nation/sphere of influence. It wouldn’t change your mind one iota. People that congregate to sites like these are more interested in acting like they are true believers, and everyone else is “unregenerate” – than actually getting out into the dying world and being salt/light.

    Josh said: Deborah is right to ask Brandon to back up the Seven Mountain Mandate with scripture. Since she failed to do so, I extent that invitation to you…

  18. Randall says:

    Do you have much info on Lance Wallnau ? I started listening to him, but something did not feel right, and as I had bought some DVDs from his “ministry”, I contacted them and asked to send them back for a refund. Most of them were still sealed and unopened, but his staff refused to take them back. Wallnau’s constant touting and promoting of Kim Clement’s “prophecies” was one thing that caused me to be wary, plus this that I heard him say in his “Level 10 Secrets” teaching. To get the material for his teaching on this subject, he said he used the stuff he had learned back before becoming a Christian from Tony Robbins and numerous others and reworked it so he could teach it from a Biblical perspective so that Christians AND people who were not Christian could use this material. He told how back before becoming a Christian he had walked on fire, jumped off a 40 foot pole, etc. You cannot totally blame a person for what they did back in their years before becoming a Christian, but it does not seem right to take teachings from ungodly men and then rework it and repackage it so Christians can learn the principles of the subject from a “Biblical” perspective. I thought we was supposed to be advancing the Kingdom of God, and not the Kingdom and the devil’s crowd too.

  19. Dear Randall

    All I know about Lance Wallnau is that he is in fact a Kim Clement supporter. Me thinks you must throw those DVD’s away. And you are right you can’t hold it against any one what they did before they were genuinely saved, however to be saved and then go back to your past and take lies and rework them into something that looks Christian but isn’t, shows that he is 100% not saved.

    I’ve written about Tony Robbins here: Firewalking – walking into a Whole Lotta Trouble

  20. Koko says:

    Dear Debs, Lance Wallau is with the Dominionist movement. That’s the man who put together the “7 Mountains or Spheres of Society” that dominionists use during their teachings. Randall, you need to BURN those CD’s and fast. In a nutshell, Dominionists believe God has sent them to “take back the world” for Christ. This is something that we can’t and NEVER were commissioned to do.

  21. Koko says:

    @ Randall, I did some research on this once and yes, this teaching can be traced back to some man who was experimenting on the best way to “sanitize” or have “perfect societies”. He tried engaging the corporate world and when that didn’t work, turned to the church to tru and use them for his purpose. The church should have rebuked and kicked him out but some chose instead to embrace it. In anycase, this teaching is a hybrid of some elements of Christianity and Psychology. So when Lance Wallau stated he incorporated things he learnt before he became a christisn (err not) he is telling you the truth. He has admitted he is propagating a heresy. Stay away from his teaching

  22. Koko says:

    Lance Wallau, Peter C. Wagner, the NAR crew etc all teach this stuff but Lance Wallau coined the term ie 7 mountains of Society or 7 mountain mandate and is one of the most prominent advocates of this nonsense.

  23. Koko says:

    You’re welcome Debs Smile/

  24. Robbie says:

    Thanks Koko
    This world has enough pastors that profit… it needs more watchmen.

  25. Koko says:

    You are welcome Robbie.

  26. Helena says:

    Hi All,

    Does any one know of Prophet Andre Q. Louw. He is a quest on Sunday at a local church.

    I cannot find much on the Internet.


  27. Dear Helena

    You said “Does any one know of Prophet Andre Q. Louw. He is a quest on Sunday at a local church.”

    There are millions of these little prophets, they jump out of the woodwork on a daily basis. I haven’t heard of this guy. But I can do some research for you.

  28. Helena says:

    Dear Deborah,

    I will realy appreciate it if you have a way to find more info on “prophet” Andre Q. Louw.

    Apparently he is 25 years in the business of being a “prophet” and he is in and out of the charismatic churches in SA but it is also the first time I hear of him.

  29. Hi Helena

    Ok what I can see from my quick research– he is Latter Rain, Five Fold Ministry (Apostolic and Prophetic) etc. He became a prophet after he went to and signed up and received a little certificate. Laugh/ Just kidding. Never the less he is a self appointed prophet and a false teacher second to none. From what I can see his focus is very strong on the Manifest Sons of God teaching – See here for explanation People need to run away from him and all who associate with him.

    Angus also preaches the false teaching of the Manifest Sons of God.

  30. Helena says:

    Hi Deborah,

    Many thanks. This confirms what I have suspected.