Christian Right Fuses with Apostolic Dominionism

Dominionism - Christian rightIt is NOT about FREEDOM, it IS about DOMINIONISM

“The NEW BREED of Christian is poised to take over the earth, precinct by precinct. God’s Army is rising up. It is time to put on the militant garb. The glint in the eye becomes fixed as the exhilaration of the hour sweeps through the masses. They can make a difference! The world has been waiting with bated breath for this LAST DAY GENERATION. False prophets in their midst are caught in sin, under discipline, yet their tapes sell to believers of their false prophecies. The call for unity is the common cause bringing them from every denomination. They are calling their unity “revival.” After all, when they have set up the Kingdom here on the earth – they will have fulfilled the mandate given to Adam to subdue the earth. A new sound is heard in the land. The music gets louder and the beat gets stronger (even bringing in rock, metal, and funk) but oddly enough the lyrics are always the same! – The choruses proclaiming the triumphant song of the conquerors!”      “The Kingdomizers Have Arrived!” Discernment Newsletter, May/June 1992

Note to Herescope readers: What follows may be the most important article ever published by Discernment Ministries in its 21 year history. The first edition of the Discernment Newsletter, published in May 1990 began chronicling the activities of a group of men calling themselves “prophets” and “apostles,” claiming to have extra-biblical revelation and calling to build an elite army to take over the Earth. This obscure cult infiltrated Pentecostal circles with its doctrines, but it wasn’t until these “Kansas City Prophets,” as they were called, connected with…

C. Peter Wagner from Fuller Theological Seminary, that they gained great momentum and helped to form the basis of what Wagner calls “The New Apostolic Reformation” (NAR). By 1991, in a little booklet titled Joel’s Army by Jewel Grewe, she warned about the extreme Dominionist doctrines of these men. The heresies of this movement continued to gain momentum, especially through the evangelical television media. Nevertheless, most of the leaders were not readily recognized in the mainstream evangelical world.

This coming month all is about to change. These NAR leaders are having a great big “coming out party” on May Day in Washington, D.C. These New Order of the Latter Rain cult leaders are going to be standing prominently alongside Christian Right and Republican Right leaders in a great convergence that positions them front and center stage. Their esoteric Dominionist doctrines are rapidly becoming integrated into the entire purpose of this event, albeit cloaked in the rhetoric of “saving America” patriotism. And herein lies the problem. For under the guise of moral causes, these men intend to change more than the declining culture of America. They intend to build the Kingdom of God on Earth, “sphere” by “sphere,” nation by nation.

By Dr. Orrel Steinkamp
The Plumbline, May/June 2010

In the last Plumbline,[1] I detailed the vast pervasive reach of the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) and its myriads of affiliates around the globe. From that directory of affiliates we saw a voracious appetite for interlocking organizations. At some point C. Peter Wagner (Convening Apostle of the International Coalition of Apostles[2]) decided rapid church growth Dominion[3] over society could be accomplished inside a democratic process and without establishing a full blown theocracy. Wagner and Company decided to employ the infiltration of churches, denominations (behind the scenes), expansion of cell churches, etc.[4]In addition Church Growth strategies employ the “reclaiming” of the 7 spheres of culture, now named by “revelation” The 7 Mountains of Culture, to take over business, government, media, arts, education family and religion.[5] In Wagner’s book The Church in the Marketplace, he points to the importance of hither-to-unknown Market Place Apostles.[6] Indications are that he is well along and has millionaire “apostles” in place. He calls for a gigantic wealth transfer from the unrighteous to the righteous to finance Kingdom advance.[7]But Jesus left no doubt that “my kingdom is not of this world.”[8] Jesus alone can consummate the kingdom when He comes on the clouds in power and great glory. Until that time the kingdom grows in the hearts of men and women (wheat among tares). Neither does the Kingdom start and end with Uber-American patriotic Christian politics. Having lived overseas for decades, I know that Christians in other countries often look at American Christian politics in bewilderment. The kingdom of God is not identified with political might and control even as Jesus came not to be a political messiah in this first advent. Only Jesus the King can rule after His return, resurrection of believers, the final judgment and a new heavens and a new earth.The Great Tea Party Convergence

Forays by NAR Apostles into the political scene in America have been until recently sparse. But Lou Engle, the bobble head (ala Jews and the Wailing Wall) Apostle,[9] who has his own ministry to youth called “The Call,”[10] has been politically active in pro-life and homosexual issues.[11] Some months ago he was able to pray for Gingrich and Huckabee with the laying on of apostolic hands.[12] But very recently the political stars seem to have come suddenly into alignment.The American political landscape has suddenly changed. A tumult is appearing in the land with the passage of health care reform. The Christian Right, with its years of courting political influence, is now poised to merge with the new Tea Party Movement. In times of crisis, natural or caused, things seem to happen faster and opportunities, that would take years, seem to happen in months. There is the scent of rebellion in the air. Martial Arts and Christian actor Chuck Norris[13] has called for a Second American Revolution. Appearing on Mormon Glenn Beck’s radio program Norris promised, if things get any worse, he will run for president of the Sovereign state of Texas.[14] Surely this is only bluster, but it reveals the mood of many.Some political conservatives are stoking a political upheaval, and they need recruits. Christian Right people have for years worked the political Right. Now the time seems right (pun intended). The New Apostolic Reformation, which has been called the largest protestant movement you have never heard of,[15] apparently is ready for a “mating dance” with the Christian Right and by extension the Political Right. Surely, the NAR must see this as a match made in heaven which they hope could eventually lead to Dominion.[16]This “engagement party” will be held on the steps of the Lincoln monument: MAY DAY 2010: A Cry To God For A Nation In Distress, May 1, 2010.[17] Janet Porter, a long time Christian shock radio personality with a turbo powered presentation and longtime political right contacts, is openly promoting Dominion.[18] She has been quoted as saying: “our goal is to take dominion in every area and occupy until Jesus comes.”[19] She has not been bashful, and has consigned Christians, who voted for Obama, to Hell.[20] I am sure glad I didn’t vote for Obama.Porter apparently is the matchmaker. She is the organizer of the MAY DAY event. For her years in the pro life struggle we can only commend her. But now she has assumed a role much greater than herself and the Kingdom of God, unless of course you see the Kingdom of God as a political kingdom. Janet Porter has taken the initiative to organize the May Day event. She has coaxed James Dobson to come out of semi retirement. A bevy of traditional evangelical[21] leaders will now include three of the most prominent NAR Leadership: Chuck Pierce heir apparent (see the last Plumbline[22]), Dutch Sheets who appears to be third in line to the throne (if no palace intrigue occurs), and Cindy Jacobs, (the most prominent of all the prophets and prophetess (Apostolic Council of Prophetic Elders[23]).[24] At the rally on the Lincoln monument the 7 Mountains Scheme of Dominion will be publicly prayed.[25]How was this all arranged? It appears that Janet Porter herself had the leading role. It took place at Cindy Jacobs “Convergence 2010: A Cry To Awaken A Nation.”[26] All the NAR heavies were there[27], including Peter Wagner, Lance Wallnau (who only lectures on 7 Mountains Dominionism), Ed Silvoso, and Jim Garlow[28] (recently appointed to Newt Gingrich’s Renewing American Leadership (ReAL) organization[29]). During the conference Porter prayed publicly[30] that God would grant control of the media. She suggested taking over CBS and renaming it the Christian Broadcasting System. It appears that the media is the first of the Seven Mountains to be conquered for the kingdom. Where will this leave CBN, TNN and God TV which now reaches 212 countries? In passing, Cindy Jacobs did not disappoint the conference thrill seekers. She told of the Seraphim coming into her room and catching it on fire.[31]

But, before the MAY DAY 2010 conference, a Freedom Federation Summit is scheduled for April 15, National Tax Day and hosted by Liberty University.[32] This will be a more overtly political event. Many political operatives will be there, including our own Minnesota Governor Tim Pawlenty (Republican candidate wannabe), Governor Perry of Texas, the newly elected Governor of Virginia Bob McDonnell and Ken Cuccinelli (Virginia Attorney General attempting to block health care reform), Newt Gingrich, Gary Bauer, Neocon Frank Gaffney, Ann Graham Lotz, and of course Jonathan Falwell. But significantly in the list of dignitaries invited for the very first time are Lou Engle[33], Rick Joyner,[34] and Lance Wallnau, an “apostle” promoting the 7 Mountains Dominion teaching.[35] Also listed are Cindy Jacobs, Bishop Harry Jackson (touted as a “modern day Martin Luther King”[36]), and Samuel Rodriguez[37], all NAR Apostles. Sarah Palin, having been prayed for by an Apostle named Thomas Muthee in Alaska regarding the 7 Mountains scheme, will be there in spirit.[38]

All of this will give the NAR a respected place in Christian Right and national politics. But the agenda of NAR goes beyond social values and politics. This agenda is to infiltrate, to dominate. Samuel Rodriguez is an apostle who is also a passionate speaker/orator. He heads Wagner’s National Christian Hispanic Leadership Council and has also been invited to the Freedom Federation Summit at Liberty University April 15. Speaking earlier at a Rick Joyner’s Oak Initiative gathering at Fort Mill, with great emphasis, Rodriguez rallied the crowd asserting that the Oak Initiative, Joyner’s political action group, is “the New Jerusalem and also Washington DC. We will mobilize for cultural reformation, not just engagement. We will not be held hostage by a donkey or an elephant.” How better to express the Dominion Mandate.[39]

Rachel Tabachnick commented:

“Imagine for a moment that a very large block of the evangelical world decided to reorganize into a hierarchy somewhat like the Roman Catholic Church with leaders (Apostles) in authority over each nation, region and city….

Peter Wagner has streamlined this ideology and named it the NAR. Wagner is the presiding apostle of the ICA which includes 40 nations and prayer warrior community networks in all 50 states and worldwide.”[40]

The merging of Christian Right Politics and Apostolic/Prophetic Dominionism is a giant leap forward for the Dominion Mandate they espouse. “Apostle” Jim Laffoon has written:

“Have you ever wondered why we have spent two thousand years reaching the the same nations OVER and OVER and OVER again? It’s because we’ve only set the goal of reaching them, and not understanding what it is to rule them… Before it is all done, God will give us hundreds of Apostles and Prophets… for they will equip the greatest army of professionals… the world has ever seen…. We believe that the Kingdom of God can come upon the earth as it is in heaven… We believe we will produce a generation that will not only reach but rule. We are called to change history. We are called to produce a generation that will rule. I believe one day we will leave our children Nations and Regions and Continents.”[41]

The Truth:

“A wonderful and horrible thing is committed in the land; The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means; and my people love to have it so: and what will ye do in the end thereof?”    (Jeremiah 5:30-31)



1. Rev. Dr. Orrel Steinkamp, “Chuck Pierce, The Kabbalist Apostle and Heir Apparent for the NAR,” The Plumbline, Vol. 15, No. 2, March/April 2010, posted at:

2. International Coalition of Apostles, For a brief overview, see these webpages: and
3. Dominion is a crucial concept to understand the significance of this article. See this paper for a broad overview of the modern streams of Dominion theology in the evangelical world: Also read the 10-part series that begins here: An analysis of the current Dominionism in the NAR written by an outside critic, “The ‘Lions In the Pews’ – Palin’s Churches and the Third Wave,” by Rachel Tabachnick, 9/24/08 is posted here:
4. To understand how they were able to infiltrate, read the series of articles at Herescope that begin here: Also see this series: For history see this:
5. See these posts for crucial background information:,,, and
6. Marketplace transformation has been described as a “businessman with the unusual assignment to ‘change the economies of nation.” (Paul Cuny bio posted at See these posts for an overview of this movement:,, and
7. A transcript of C. Peter Wagner’s remarks on this topic is posted here:
8. See this description of the Gospel of Salvation versus the “gospel of the kingdom” that is being preached by this movement:
9. This comment has to do with Lou Engle’s odd prayer demeanor, which many have noticed, including this reference at : “Lou Engel is one of the admittedly weirdest and most unique individuals that I have ever met. When he speaks, he rocks back and forth like an Orthodox Jew at the Wailing Wall. His voice is like a grissly bear with a hoarse voice.”
10. Lou Engle is rising to fame. We wrote about him in conjunction with another controversial Washington, D.C. Mall event in August 2008: , noting that “TheCall, an organization linked to Mike Bickle, Lou Engle and many other New Apostolic Reformation leaders, including many of the old “Kansas City Prophets.” But this is no fringe operation. TheCall and its personnel is interconnected with many mainstream evangelical organizations, including Campus Crusade for Christ.” Lou Engle’s association with Mike Bickle and the Kansas City Prophets is ongoing and current: And his association with the radical heresy of the “New Breed” is still ongoing and current: See this important booklet for historical and theological details on the significance of “Joel’s Army” and Dominionism: and
11. See, for example, the article”the_call”_warns_of_antichrist_ legislation_in_california_and_beyond/
12. See this article:
13. Additional Chuck Norris documentation can be found in the booklet “My Life in ‘THE WAY'” by Gaylene Goodroad. See this information: and scroll down to the bottom of the page to access her e-book:
14. See Chuck Norris’s article “I may run for president of Texas” posted at WorldNetDaily 3/9/10:
15. Referring to a comment by Bill Berkowitz, a critic of Dominionism among the Right, where he said: “Imagine that, and you’ve just dreamed up the New Apostolic Reformation, the largest religious movement you’ve never heard of,”, March 1, 2010, and “Heads Up: Prayer Warriors and Sarah Palin Are Organizing Spiritual Warfare to Take Over America.” america_
16. All Dominionists are agreed on a common core theology that teaches that man can build “the kingdom of God on earth,” based on false eschatology the political, economic and social efforts of mankind will usher in the “Kingdom of God” and “King Jesus.” See this post for a further explanation: See also this post: which explains the Coalition on Revival, an organization that developed the “sphere documents” about how to take over American society. The Coalition on Revival was a key forerunner to the present-day merger of NAR and conservative Right political structures, and key documentation about its roots and agendas can be found in Al Dager’s historical book VENGEANCE IS OURS: THE CHURCH IN DOMINION available here:
17. See info at this website for the event: and read a critical commentary summary here Dr. James Dobson promotes the event here: and here:
18. See Janet (Folger) Porter’s radio website here: and note that she is a regular columnist for WorldNetDaily here:
19. Listen to the “New Apostolic Reformation” hyper-spiritual warfare prayer of Janet Porter on the video excerpt posted at this link: . This prayer took place at NAR “apostle” Cindy Jacob’s Generals International “Convergence 2010: A Cry to Awaken A Nation” conference held March 4-6 in Dallas, TX. Janet Porter’s prayer is an example of the “spheres” or “mountain” cultural mandate to take over the media, one of the first 7 spheres/gates/mountains targeted to be seized. Janet Porter’s extreme Dominionism has been noted by both concerned Christians and the Far Left: and
20. This is a reference to Janet Folger’s WorldNetDaily October 28, 2008 column “You cannot be a Christian and vote for Obama,” See also commentary on this from the Left at

21. The Committee behind this event includes a list of who’s who on the Religious Right, including many political leaders, evangelical leaders, major organizations, AND significantly, key leaders of the New Apostolic Reformation. See The point here is that by being part of this event, the NAR leaders, who were formerly consigned to the wacky fringe of the charismatic movement, are becoming mainstream by their high profile engagement with this May Day event. And these event organizers are apparently finding common ground with the Dominionism of the NAR leaders, a disturbing turn of events.
23. Apostolic Council of Prophetic Elders information is posted here:
24. Who are Chuck Pierce, Dutch Sheets and Cindy Jacobs? For those who don’t know these names, and may not understand why their presence at this event is so alarming, research their background, beliefs and practices here: and, and
26. See footnote 19 for documentation on this point.
27. The “Convergence 2010” conference was sponsored by Cindy Jacobs’ United States Reformation Prayer Network (USRPN). Its speakers included: Peter Wagner, Lance Wallnau, Ed Silvoso, Janet Porter, Harry Jackson, Jaeson Ma, Thomas Hall, Jim Garlow, Cheryl Sacks, Jim Hennesy, Robert Madu, Mike Jacobs, Cindy Jacobs. This conference was part of an intriguing strategy called “ROOT 52” USRPN National Prayer Strategy, described as “a 52-week prayer strategy to bring the nation back to it’s covenantal roots.” A letter to “Intercessors” from Cindy Jacobs dated 3/10/10 is cached here: The Elijah List, chief organ of the NAR, advertised the conference here: Http://
28. Jim Garlow’s bio is posted here: He is connected to Emergent Church leader and mystic Leonard Sweet. They recently participated together at the “North American Conference on Biblical Preaching,” a Global Pastors Conference sponsored by the Billion Soul Network, which has given the controversial Sweet a comfortable mainline evangelical home base. See The program for this event indicates that this is heavy on mysticism, a key ingredient for building Dominionist fervor:
29. The group’s website is . See this news account, “Newt Gingrich Steps Up Efforts to Mobilize Religious Conservatives,” by Dan Gilgoff, 3/20/09, U.S. News & World Report, and this press release: Newt Gingrich, Jim Garlow, David Barton, Lance Wallnau, Bishop Harry Jackson, Mike Huckabee, political leaders, and a group of other key individuals supporting this May Day event, are taking “The Next Great Awakening Tour” focusing on Dominionism in America this summer, for a mere $3375 per person. (The much-prophesied “great outpouring of wealth had better happen quickly!) See: . Another significant player helping the New Apostolic Reformation to mainstream itself is Tony Perkins of Focus on Family, also on this tour. See this interesting history by critic Bill Berkowitz, “Will Religious Right’s ‘Mandate to Save America’ corral the Tea Party crowd?” 2/18/10:
30. See footnote 19. Note that Janet Porter apparently suggested to Alan Colmes on his radio program that this “footage of her prayer was obtained illegally and that Generals International is considering suing whoever obtained and posted the footage.” Other critical articles about Porter are archived here
31. The video of Cindy Jacobs doing this is posted here: Note: this is the type of kooky stuff that comes out the NAR, thus illustrating the strange bedfellows who are now politically aligned.
32. Go to See this post for more details:
33. Lou Engle has risen to prominence as a key individual in this barrier-crossing Dominionism movement. His recent activities are summed up by critic Sarah Posner in an October 29,2008 article “‘The Call’ Warns of Antichrist Legislation in California and Beyond,””the_call”_warns_of_antichrist_ legislation_in_california_and_beyond/?page=entire. Janet (Folger) Porter interviewed Lou Engle on her January 7, 2010 radio show:
34. For a peek at Rick Joyner’s vitriolic call for Dominionism, see this post:
35. Hear Lance Wallnau describing his 7 Mountain Mandate at the video on this webpage: To understand the myth about the “7 Mountain Mandate” originating from Bill Bright and Loren Cunningham, read this post:
36. Bishop Harry Jackson was called “the modern day Martin Luther King” at Cindy Jacobs’ recent Convergence 2010″ conference. See documentation here:
37. Samuel Rodriguez can be seen here on this video footage posted at Rick Joyner’s Morning Star website. Media/VIDEO_The_Oak/VIDEO_The_Oak.aspx He is part of Rick Joyner’s The Oak Initiative,, as are others in this movement such as Lance Wallnau and Janet Porter: Rodriguez, a Hispanic leader, is a frequent topic of discussion at the Right Wing Watch website:, even though he was one of the signers of the recent “A Covenant for Civility,” as is Bishop Harry Jackson. This is yet more evidence that the Dominionist movement is converging both Left and Right politically, despite the strong “Religious Right” rhetoric. See this Herescope post:
38. See Bill Berkowitz’s article at, “Heads Up: Prayer Warriors and Sarah Palin Are Organizing Spiritual Warfare to Take Over America,” 3/1/10. Independent research has corroborated his account, and there are many reasons for concerns.
39. See footnote 36 and watch the video posted here VIDEO_The_Oak/VIDEO_The_Oak.aspx
40. See the Bill Berkowitz article cited at footnote 38, where he quotes NAR researcher Rachel Tabachnick:
41. Jim Laffoon, “The Dark Underside of the Latter-Rain,”
This article is published with the permission of and in cooperation with Rev. Dr. Orrel Steinkamp, publisher of The Plumbline, Vol. 15, No. 3, May/June 2010. The Herescope posting of this article contains the addition of extensive documentation contributed by Dr. Steinkamp. This article has been reformatted and edited slightly for blog use.
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31 Responses

  1. Elmarie A says:

    Great work Debs. Thank you!!!!
    May many many read this is important!!
    We must watch and pray and pray and pray.

  2. Pete says:

    Good work again.
    The powers of Darkness are united. Whether your perspective is pre or post trib there is and will be persecution of Gods true Church.
    May His hand strengthen us in Jesus Name.

  3. Pete

    Bible didn’t say we would not esape harm of any kind. People get hurt every day. But I look towards Jesus more and more for Him to return NOW. 🙂

  4. Robbie says:

    I get so excited when the clouds gather…
    When there are millions of little ants all over the place I know the rain is coming.
    The day when the clouds builds up… and there are NO ants!!
    I will call you guys!!

  5. Kipper says:

    “12Indeed, all who desire to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted, 13while evil people and impostors will go on from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived.” 2 Tim 3:12-13

    It’s funny that so many people seem to think we’re going to just take the world back for the Lord. Why ingore the fact that the world will hate us? I pray that those who are true believers in Jesus Christ will stay strong in him and endure until the end.

  6. Kipper

    That’s it. It’s also funny that this is no where mentioned in the bible. It’s a disaster. And the entire world is going this ‘act good’ route. Build the kingdom of God on earth and then when ‘The Christ’ comes he will clap his hands at mens handy work and then rule. Well he sure will rule because he will be the anti-Christ and the world will suffer unlike anything ever seen in history before.

  7. James Jackson says:

    I live in The US. I am a conservative. The tea party is not represented here, fairly. Fact is, it is not a Christian movement. It is about taxes and lying politicians. You mentioned Republicans in your article. What about leftist democrats> They are the abortionist party first and foremost. They support socialist policies and many issues which is anti Christian. As a Christian I have every right and am expected to protest evil when I see it I loved your site until I began to realize that perhaps your agenda is just as political as the leftist of America. Pleaes inform me if I’m misunderstanding you. Thank you…Jim

  8. Alec says:

    The Kingdom of God is among us (the Church) now. We do not have a mandate to take over the nations per se, but a mandate to preach the gospel and make disciples of all nations. As the church goes about fulfilling the great commission, and more and more of those disciples live in obedience to the King of kings, the natural effect will be a more godly culture. The church itself does not rule the nations, but the people of the church should not be retreating from these so-called “spheres of influence.” They should be ‘tent making” in them and preaching and making disciples. These fake apostles are only out for political power and not the furtherance of the Kingdom of God, which does not come with observation and which flesh and blood cannot inherit.
    That being said, we have a responsibility as citizens of these United States of America to vote our conscience and be politically active as we are (supposedly) self-governed through elected representatives. Pulling back into our little sanctuaries is just giving ground to the ungodly and profane.

  9. mom4truth says:

    I wrote a blog about this very subject called, “Election time! Does Christianity Matter?” The Tea Party participants are not for Godly values, but for FISCAL conservatives. This leaves us with morally dry and weak candidates who may have the right financial answers. I offer, does it matter if we are financially wealthy but morally bankrupt? Alec, you say we have the responsibility to vote and be politically active, but I believe our greater responsibility is to NOT vote for someone who is not truly saved. It does not honor God when we vote for someone who will seemingly protect our worldly comforts but is not saved of Christ. Christ warns that you are either for us or against us…If someone is not saved, then they are automatically against us and do not deserve the Christian vote. Those who are Catholics, those who attend emergent churches- these are not the saved of Christ and I have yet to find a truly saved candidate. Christ was not concerned with politics but with sharing the truth with a dying generation, and has compelled us to the same. This world is perishing- our concern needs to be now sharing the gospel with the lost. You say, Alec, that pulling back into our sanctuaries gives ground to the ungodly and profane, yet you think we emerge from said sanctuaries in a voting booth, and I say we emerge by sharing the gospel and fighting the war in people’s hearts.

  10. louise says:

    No matter who you vote for they will be dishonest,lying,greedy, people who say one thing but mean another. I am not an American but seeing how that Muslim President Barack Hussein Obama gets away with what he does I pity all who live under his control. All heads of states barring China have to answer to the NWO. The Tea Party is just another political party who has been placed there by the NWO to keep the public distracted.

  11. Paul says:

    China is actually a tool of the NWO. In 1920 Rothschild went to China and recruited Mao into Freemasonry.

    Currently, America is being purposefully destroyed and China has been developed and lifted up, it is the model into which all countries will be turned and which we will all live under.

    Everything is working as planned by the Zionists under the protocols established in the mid 1800s’

    It really is exciting to see Scriptural prophecy happen; it will be painfull for the world but then guess what? He will be back!

  12. Brandon Hawkins says:

    I decided to check out this page when it came up inthe google search options when looking up a person suggested by a friend. after reading some of this and finally turning to the Bible & doing some reading I read Jonah & then Galatians & this is what stands out the most
    Galatians 5: 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other.

  13. Brandon

    I can also go and pull out a verse in the bible to rebuke you. Why don’t you instead tell me why Dominionism is right and back it up with scripture. This should be interesting.

  14. Cyndy says:

    I have been observing and researching these things since the end of June 2009, primarily to find explanations to a lot of situations I have run into in my family and the church. This is merely one of my conclusions, and I have not seen anyone else mention it, but Revelation 17 prophesies “the great harlot,” a woman sitting on a scarlet colored beast, decked with gold (wealth), full of blasphemy, abominations and fornication. Interestingly enough, v. 9 says, “And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.” With this scripture in mind, I cannot help but notice the Dominionists’ CHOICE of terminology, the “seven mountains” of dominion. You can easily see their alliance with politicians, world leaders, they have their own media and are being used to get Christians into the antichrist’s kingdom. She will persecute the saints unto death, then the beast will turn on her once he’s gotten what he wanted from her. In Rev. 18:4, a voice from heaven says, “Come out of her, my people…”

  15. Mike says:

    Yes, you could pull out a verse in the Bible to rebuke Brandon, or anyone else who doesn’t fit your paradigm.

    In fact, that’s what most people on here live to do.

    The fact that your ilk comes up with a dangerous-sounding name like Dominionism, instead of joining together to be salt and light is more sad than “interesting.”

    The Kingdom of God is not, and never will be at stake. America very well could be.

  16. Josh says:

    *To Cyndy: You mentioned Rev. 17; you’re correct to notice that these people are unbiblical in thought and action (in this area); you are correct to notice that this great whore sits upon seven mountains (v.9). But did you notice that it is she “with whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication (v.2)”? Please notice that that great whore is a “city which reigneth over the kings of the earth (v.18).” Which “city,” of all the cities in the world, is it that “reigns” oven all the “kings of the earth” and sits upon seven ‘mountains’ or ‘hills’? There was only one in John’s day, and there is only one in our day: it is spiritual Babylon, the city Rome, Italy. Yes, she is the “Mother of Harlots” (these antichrist systems) and – in my opinion – has spawned the 7 Mountain mandate. It is the same plan Rome has always had: Domination. And it is to be done by the same method: to establish a theocracy, headed by their bishop, and brow-beat unregenerate, unredeemed people with the 10 Commandments – Commandments which they couldn’t keep even if they tried (Romans 8:7-8). It is a horrible thing when we’ve made our patriotism (not a bad thing by itself), instead of our evangelism, the driving force behind our religious zeal.

    *To Mike: you said: “Yes, you could pull out a verse in the Bible to rebuke Brandon, or anyone else who doesn’t fit your paradigm.” 1) We are to join together with true believers, for they, not heretics, are the salt of the earth. 2) If a true believer gets of course, and they refuse to repent, we – in love – treat them like the unregenerate man they want to act like (until they come back in true repentance). No one can make a solid, expositional case from the Bible to be “salt and light” with disobedient Christians and unregenerate men. It is true that we are to be “salt and light” to a “dead and dying world.” Jesus said so in Matt. 5. We find this in v. 13… but it comes with a warning about “losing our saltiness.” This warning comes on the heels of v.1-12. Verses 10-12 say that ours is the Kingdom when we are persecuted, reviled and falsely spoken of (c.f. John 17:14-17)… how could that happen if “we” have “Dominion” over the entire earth? We are “light” when we “walk in the Spirit” (Gal. 5:16) not fulfilling the lusts of the flesh; thus, because of Christ, we can and are to be holy [separate] and righteous (Prov. 4:18-19): we then are ‘living sacrifices’ whose path is lit by the Word (Ps.:119:105) of Truth (John 17:17)… and that is the Word by which we are sanctified and made ready for use.

    Taking over America for Christ is nonsense. Setting up a “preparatory dominion” for Christ is ludicrous (i.e. false prophet and Romanist, Rick Joyner). Deborah is right to ask Brandon to back up the Seven Mountain Mandate with scripture. Since she failed to do so, I extent that invitation to you…

  17. Mike says:

    Josh, I could give you several dozen Scriptures that “back up” Christians living lives of light in the darkness in our nation/sphere of influence. It wouldn’t change your mind one iota. People that congregate to sites like these are more interested in acting like they are true believers, and everyone else is “unregenerate” – than actually getting out into the dying world and being salt/light.

    Josh said: Deborah is right to ask Brandon to back up the Seven Mountain Mandate with scripture. Since she failed to do so, I extent that invitation to you…

  18. Randall says:

    Do you have much info on Lance Wallnau ? I started listening to him, but something did not feel right, and as I had bought some DVDs from his “ministry”, I contacted them and asked to send them back for a refund. Most of them were still sealed and unopened, but his staff refused to take them back. Wallnau’s constant touting and promoting of Kim Clement’s “prophecies” was one thing that caused me to be wary, plus this that I heard him say in his “Level 10 Secrets” teaching. To get the material for his teaching on this subject, he said he used the stuff he had learned back before becoming a Christian from Tony Robbins and numerous others and reworked it so he could teach it from a Biblical perspective so that Christians AND people who were not Christian could use this material. He told how back before becoming a Christian he had walked on fire, jumped off a 40 foot pole, etc. You cannot totally blame a person for what they did back in their years before becoming a Christian, but it does not seem right to take teachings from ungodly men and then rework it and repackage it so Christians can learn the principles of the subject from a “Biblical” perspective. I thought we was supposed to be advancing the Kingdom of God, and not the Kingdom and the devil’s crowd too.

  19. Dear Randall

    All I know about Lance Wallnau is that he is in fact a Kim Clement supporter. Me thinks you must throw those DVD’s away. And you are right you can’t hold it against any one what they did before they were genuinely saved, however to be saved and then go back to your past and take lies and rework them into something that looks Christian but isn’t, shows that he is 100% not saved.

    I’ve written about Tony Robbins here: Firewalking – walking into a Whole Lotta Trouble

  20. Koko says:

    Dear Debs, Lance Wallau is with the Dominionist movement. That’s the man who put together the “7 Mountains or Spheres of Society” that dominionists use during their teachings. Randall, you need to BURN those CD’s and fast. In a nutshell, Dominionists believe God has sent them to “take back the world” for Christ. This is something that we can’t and NEVER were commissioned to do.

  21. Koko says:

    @ Randall, I did some research on this once and yes, this teaching can be traced back to some man who was experimenting on the best way to “sanitize” or have “perfect societies”. He tried engaging the corporate world and when that didn’t work, turned to the church to tru and use them for his purpose. The church should have rebuked and kicked him out but some chose instead to embrace it. In anycase, this teaching is a hybrid of some elements of Christianity and Psychology. So when Lance Wallau stated he incorporated things he learnt before he became a christisn (err not) he is telling you the truth. He has admitted he is propagating a heresy. Stay away from his teaching

  22. Koko says:

    Lance Wallau, Peter C. Wagner, the NAR crew etc all teach this stuff but Lance Wallau coined the term ie 7 mountains of Society or 7 mountain mandate and is one of the most prominent advocates of this nonsense.

  23. Koko says:

    You’re welcome Debs 🙂

  24. Robbie says:

    Thanks Koko
    This world has enough pastors that profit… it needs more watchmen.

  25. Koko says:

    You are welcome Robbie.

  26. Helena says:

    Hi All,

    Does any one know of Prophet Andre Q. Louw. He is a quest on Sunday at a local church.

    I cannot find much on the Internet.


  27. Dear Helena

    You said “Does any one know of Prophet Andre Q. Louw. He is a quest on Sunday at a local church.”

    There are millions of these little prophets, they jump out of the woodwork on a daily basis. I haven’t heard of this guy. But I can do some research for you.

  28. Helena says:

    Dear Deborah,

    I will realy appreciate it if you have a way to find more info on “prophet” Andre Q. Louw.

    Apparently he is 25 years in the business of being a “prophet” and he is in and out of the charismatic churches in SA but it is also the first time I hear of him.

  29. Hi Helena

    Ok what I can see from my quick research– he is Latter Rain, Five Fold Ministry (Apostolic and Prophetic) etc. He became a prophet after he went to and signed up and received a little certificate. :laugh: Just kidding. Never the less he is a self appointed prophet and a false teacher second to none. From what I can see his focus is very strong on the Manifest Sons of God teaching – See here for explanation People need to run away from him and all who associate with him.

    Angus also preaches the false teaching of the Manifest Sons of God.

  30. Helena says:

    Hi Deborah,

    Many thanks. This confirms what I have suspected.


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