Springbok ‘Healed’ by T.B. Joshua Sadly Pass Away

springbokSpringbok ‘Healed’ by T.B. Joshua Sadly Pass Away

If only people would just read the Word of God when it comes to the warning signs of spotting false teachers.  I just hope that springbok Ruben Kruger saw the truth of the matter before his passing and that he had not fallen any deeper into deceptive doctrines passed off as genuine Christianity.  Let these stories be a warning to all who love the truth, to heed God’s warning of entertaining false doctrines that can lead to spiritual destruction if not repented of.

T. B. Joshua is a witchdoctor who uses witchcraft (obviously) to heal people, among other horrendous deceptions.  His manner is satanic, he does not at all preach the genuine Gospel, but a poisoned version.  His entire setup is based around con-artistry.

 [T. B. Joshua] Once asked by one of his disciples if he is a man of God, his answer was: “Brother, I can not answer you this question. It will be self-righteous if I should say I am a man of God. But let my works testify of who I am.”

[All emphasis added to articles below by DTW]

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Blow for Springbok Ruben Kruger

2000-12-17  –  News24 – ©  24.com

A week that started with great expectations for Ruben Kruger and his wife, Lize, ended in heartache on Sunday when Ruben was told at the airport that his wife was to lose the baby about which they were so excited.

Lize met him at the airport and the two then went to a clinic in Pretoria where she underwent tests. Although she is brave about the loss, her husband was visibly upset when he was told.

He is, however, positive about his healing. “I no longer have to drink my chemo pills”, he said on Sunday. He believes his healing started on Sunday already when he arrived at the synagogue.

After he had said Kruger was healed of a malignant brain tumour, “Prophet” T.B. Joshua also gave him an oil to rub on the place where the tumour was. Kruger said he should undergo further examination in January, but he would still decide about it. “I will take the Lord’s lead.”

When Rapport spoke to Kruger earlier this week in Lagos, he excitedly told about his experience at the synagogue.

He had tackled many people during his rugby days. He also came down hard himself – he could take it like a man. But what happened in Lagos was bigger than him. He cried like a man.

“You cannot describe the feeling to anyone who has not experienced it. It was an unbelievable, or should I say believable, experience.”

Before leaving for Lagos, Kruger told his doctor, Pieter Slabbert, not to be worried because he would return cured. Until the healing service on Wednesday from 06:00 to 0930, Kruger did not know what to expect.

“I heard about people being cured, I watched videos of miracle cures, I believed I would be cured and still there was a big doubt deep within me.”

Kruger and his wife are celebrating their seventh wedding anniversary quietly at home. Lize says after so many days in the heart of Africa, she is going to make boerekos for her husband.

– Rapport

Source: (link no longer available)

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See Youtube video below of springbok Jaco being ‘healed’ by T.B. Joshua.  (Read below article FIRST, before you watch the video!)

T B JoshuaTriumph and despair

When serious injury threatened to end his rugby career, the tough Afrikaner, Jaco van der Westhuyzen, turned to the only man who could save him: a Nigerian faith healer

by Xan Rice
Sunday 8 February 2004  –  © Guardian News and Media Limited

Sure, I believe in miracles. I’ve seen them with my own eyes. From an early age I was very religious. Both my parents were Dutch Reformed Christians. But it was not until 2000 that faith healing and T. B. Joshua, the Nigerian they call ‘the Prophet’, came into my life. I had just broken into the Springbok team when I ruptured my posterior cruciate ligament playing against Western Province one Sunday in August 2000. The doctor took X-rays and said I needed to have an operation that Wednesday. I was really down, because I desperately wanted to go on the end-of-year Bok tour.

Here I must give credit to my wife. Her family are charismatic Christians, which means they stand up in church, clapping and singing. She, or rather her brother, had shown me this video of the Nigerian faith healer T. B. Joshua. I saw all the miracles he performed, such as curing people with HIV, freeing people from their wheelchairs, healing those with cancer. My wife said to me: ‘You’re pretty religious. Your faith is strong. I think you should give it a go.’ I was sceptical at first and I wasn’t too sure about the miracles. I read about them in the Bible but I thought: ‘Can this be true?’ Still, I decided not to have the operation and to take a leap of faith instead.

Our church group landed in Lagos on a Sunday. We drove for about 45 minutes before coming to a very basic church site – 10 people to a wooden bench. It was just phenomenal to see how primitive Christianity can be while at the same time remaining so powerful. At each service, there are between 10,000 and 20,000 people, mainly poor blacks. Their riches are their faith. At five o’clock in the morning, there are 3,000 people queueing outside the church gates to get the best seats.

For the first few days we had discussions with the disciples and talked about religion and its power. Then, on the Saturday, ‘the Prophet’ came out and delivered his message to the congregation, even though there were people in the church, scared of his powers, who wanted to kill him. It was a real eye-opener. But these doubters could not get near him. He said to us: ‘There’s somebody here who wants to kill me.’ If the guy does not come forward, the Prophet will identify him and the person ends up confessing to what he was planning.

Towards the end of the service about 300 of us gathered in what they call the ‘healing line’. The Prophet walked down the line, identifying illnesses. When he came to me, he said I should remove my leg brace. He looked at me and it was like he had x-ray vision, like he could see immediately what was wrong with my knee. Moving his hands around as if he was tugging a rope, he seemed to pull out all the dirt and other stuff that was in my knee. Then he said to me: ‘Stand up and run.’ The brace had been on for weeks and running should have been impossible. Well, I trusted my faith and started to run – and at full speed. There was no pain.

Back home I had another x-ray, and it showed the ligament was fine. The doctor could not believe or explain it. News of what happened started to spread and the wife of Ruben Kruger, the former Bok and Blue Bulls flanker, called me. Ruben had a brain tumour and his wife wanted me to take him to see T. B. Joshua. We went back to Lagos, Ruben’s brain tumour was healed and he has had no more symptoms since then.

All the time, T. B. Joshua stressed that it was not him doing the healing, but the Holy Spirit operating through him. And we did not have to pay for anything, not even food. He even gives people money to buy plane tickets. He did that with me. Another Bulls and Bok player, the young lock Wium Basson, had developed terminal cancer and also went to see the Prophet. But he died soon after coming back to South Africa. You know, initially when I went to see T. B. Joshua it was for a quick fix, to make the Bok tour. Maybe Wium felt the same. I know for certain that he did not know the Lord as well as he should have at that time. If your faith is not right, the Lord will tell T. B. Joshua not to heal you. But Wium did make peace with God in Nigeria and that, for me, was the miracle. In going to see the Prophet, he probably saved himself from going somewhere else when he died. Luckily in South Africa religion is important; we often pray before matches. Most of my team-mates were not too sceptical about the faith healing. A few of the guys did give me some stick, teased me, but, really, I did not mind. I knew truthfully what had happened to me out there.

Back home, and I think here in Britain, too, religion can become too commercialised. Often it’s not something you really believe in: it’s just something that’s there, that you do to make you feel good. I think it would be good for faith to play a bigger role in rugby, where there is a stigma that players are merely hard blokes without feelings.

Was it strange for a white Afrikaner to seek help from a black Nigerian faith healer? I think the older generation, such as my grandparents, would have found it very difficult to fathom. But for me a person is a person and everyone has a soul. Whether you are black, white, brown or yellow we are all the same in that respect. I never thought of T. B. Joshua as a lesser person than me. In fact, I envy him because he has such a deep, meaningful relationship with God.

Now I’d love to go back to Nigeria and get my spiritual batteries recharged. During the weeks we were there you could feel the presence of the Lord the whole time, even as we slept. Whenever I hit a bad patch in rugby or my life, I just think back and remember what that was like. The big thing I’ve learnt is that this life is just a dress rehearsal for what’s to come.

The life facts

Jaco Nicolaas Boshoff van der Westhuyzen was born in Nelspruit on 6 April 1978. A boy wonder, he made his Super 12 debut at fly-half for the Natal Sharks in 1997, at the age of 19, and won an international call-up against New Zealand three years later. He has since worn the Bok jersey eight times and played at full-back against England and the All Blacks in the 2003 World Cup. Last year’s South African Super 12 player of the season joined Leicester Tigers for their 2003-04 campaign.

Source:   http://observer.guardian.co.uk/osm/story/0,,1140742,00.html

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Former Springbok Wium Basson dies of cancer

April 22 2001© Independent Online

Former Springbok lock Wium Basson died at his Pretoria home yesterday. He was 25.

Basson, who played for the Blue Bulls, was diagnosed with terminal cancer late last month.

Doctors could not do anything to help him and gave him a few weeks to live.

Basson flew to Lagos, Nigeria, to consult a faith healer, T. B. Joshua, who was reputed to have healed a range of illnesses, and had helped rehabilitate former Springbok flyhalf Jaco van der Westhuizen, who had torn knee ligaments.

Basson undertook the pilgrimage to The Synagogue with 130 other South Africans who had various illnesses. He returned disappointed on Friday. Although he had queued for hours, the faith healer did not see him.

Basson had played 48 games for the Bulls and toured with the Boks to Argentina, France and England in 1998, but his career was ended abruptly by a serious neck injury last season.

Basson was the third Blue Bulls player to have been hit by a life-threatening illness in the past six months.

Bok lock Krynauw Otto’s career was ended in August by bleeding on the brain, while Reuben Kruger is being treated for a brain tumour.

– Own Correspondent

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Springbok 1995 World Cup hero dies

Jan 28, 2010  | By Sapa

Ruben Kruger, former Springbok, Free State and Blue Bulls flanker, passed away after a protracted battle with brain cancer.

Kruger, a 1995 Rugby World Cup winner, would have turned 40 on March 30. He was diagnosed with a brain tumour soon after his playing career ended in 1999.

Kruger had fought back from a broken leg suffered in a Tri-Nations match in 1996 to earn selection to the 1999 World Cup squad and fought his recurring illness with typical bravery and stoicism.

Nicknamed the “Silent Assassin” by coach Kitch Christie during the 1995 Rugby World Cup, he scored a controversial try in the semi-final played in a deluge against France in Durban but was denied what appeared to be a certain try by referee Ed Morrison in the Ellis Park final.

Considered the kingpin of the side, he was named SA Rugby Player of the Year for 1995.

Kruger, who hailed from Vrede in the Free State and went to Grey College, is survived by his wife Lize and two daughters Zoe and Bella.

Kruger made his debut for the Springboks against Argentina in 1993 and went on to play 36 Test matches for South Africa, scoring seven tries. At provincial level he was a stalwart of both Free State and the Blue Bulls.

Kruger had battled the brain tumour since 2000, where he blacked out during a game and it was diagnosed.

After the initial operation to remove the tumour seemed to be a success, Kruger found a few years later that the tumour had resurfaced, but battled on against it with a strength that was a hallmark of his playing days.

He was in the news again early in 2009, when he had to be airlifted from Bloemfontein after feeling ill while returning with his family from holiday in Herolds Bay. A massive five-hour operation followed, where doctors said they had removed “90 percent” of the tumour in the operation.

The tumour was described “as the size of a man’s fist”.

Sadly for Kruger, the tumour was too sensitively placed to completely remove, and it resurfaced in June 2009 when he blacked out while driving and was involved in a car accident.

This past week Kruger began feeling unwell again and was admitted to hospital, where family and friends waited until the end.

Source: (link no longer available)

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Springbok Ruben Kruger sterf 

2010-01-28  –  by Amy Johnson – Nuus24 – © 24.com

Kaapstad – Die voormalige Springbok- en Bulls-flank Ruben Kruger (39) het sy jarelange stryd teen kanker verloor.

Kruger is gisteraand oorlede.

Dokters het in 2000 ‘n breingewas by hom diagnoseer en in 2007 en 2009 het hy breinoperasies ondergaan waartydens gewasse verwyder is.

Hy het van 1993 tot 1999 as Springbok-flank uitgedraf en was deel van die seevierende Wêreldbeker-kampioenspan van 1995.

Kruger is ook in 1995 as Saru se speler van die jaar aangewys.

Hy het 36 keer vir die Bokke uitgedraf en sewe drieê gedruk.

Aan die einde van sy rugbyloopbaan het hy ‘n kameraverkoopsman geword en het ‘n Minolta-franchise in Pretoria besit.

Kruger laat sy vrou Lize en twee dogters Zoê (7) en Isabella (4) agter.

‘n Aanhanger op sy Facebook-blad skryf: ” Jammer oor sy afsterwe…ons weet jy is nou op ‘n beter plek sonder lyding en pyn! Dankie vir die voorbeeld wat jy gestel het! Rest in peace”.

– Nuus24

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SA Springbok Rugby Player Jaco Van der Westhuizen’s torn knee ligament INSTANTLY HEALED!

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Deborah Ellish is the author of the above article. Discerning the World is an internet Christian Ministry based in Johannesburg South Africa. Tom Lessing and Deborah Ellish both own Discerning the World. For more information see the About this Website page below the comments section.

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Elmarie A

Deborah
Deborah

I truly hope and pray, that This will OPEN eyes. It is heart breaking to read these things but, It must be said and Warnings issued. Deceiving spirits are rife!!!! and people are becoming, blinder every hour. Deceiving spirits everywhere! We can only look up to our Lord Jesus for strength, and not look around in this world.

In our area there is a small church at a prominent high school in the Wilgers(they use the school hall), where the pastor visited T B J about 4 months ago. The pastor brought back some of this “holly water” for the congregation !!
The manifestations of demonic spirits must have been rife! I dont have to say more.

Deborah great post done thank you.

Blessings
ps i want to say so much more but the article speak for itself.

Jean

I am not surprised… This is the next thing I have wanted to mention nl. when you deal with with TB Joshua and Kobus van Rensburg and all these “satanic” healers, You might be healed temporary But it always comes at a price !

What you sow in the flesh, you WILL reap in the flesh!
When you put your trust in Satan for healing, then He will let you down because he is a lair !

Jesus did not have a healing ministry. The healings that he did was for a different purpose… I don’t have time now but I will expand and explain this in greater depth tomorrow .

I feel sad because so many people are still putting their trust in the physical and not the Spiritual.

People, we worship Hin in SPIRIT and TRUTH… NOT the Physical and Truth !

Elmarie A

Jean
“You might be healed temporary But it always comes at a price !”

Yes one just opens the door for more demonic spirits to enter.

cecilia

SO MANY people run after prophets, healers, other miracle workers! if only all these MANY people will DISCERN before the time, look at the open facts before hand – many would not fall into the trap of being ‘demonically healed’! (ahhh, I can hear how many has words coming up in their hearts to lash out against me now….)

it is important that readers of this article go back to all the articles written on TBJ on this blog, as to understand the whole subject.

You cannot serve two gods. You will either receive (serve) the one, and reject the other… TBJ bowed before every service (he still does) in his backroom before a picture that says there is no other god than Allah. fullstop.

I was quite ill this past 2 weeks. I spend much time alone at home reading Bible and praying – repentance being a big part of it – Holy Spirit brought much conviction about unconfessed sins of the past – so I kinda like ‘worked’ through my life….

It dawned on me that most people don’t even think about the real fact of life, which is – we are born to die – because of the real desire to live which is like ‘build-in’ in all that live. and yes Jean, it brought me to the same Scripture, what you sow in flesh, you’ll reap in flesh. what you sow in Spirit, you’ll reap in spirit.

so I’ve made the turn (again) in my life, to focus on sowing in the spirit… because only then one knows that that which you’ll be reaping is everlasting and eternal.

Oh, yes, I’m healed now (dr reports) and going full speed into every day and that which the LORD God is guiding me to do in that day. I laid down the human urge to lay down treasures here on earth, and have asked Him to let me hear His voice to lead people back to ‘the real Him’ not the counterfeit Jesus and church-playing.

cecilia

Corne

Hey Deborah thanks for the excellent post. I for one can personally testify about the strange power that the prophet generates.

See this i posted last night:

http://foundthetruth.wordpress.com/2010/01/28/rip-ruben-kruger/

Blessings

Elmarie A

Deborah

Yes thank you!. You are confirming the dangers !!

It is a bad bad place to be !!!

it actually makes me sick to my stomach to think people are so so very blind not take heed on this. Some will actually just laugh it of.

paso

How could people imagine like this,T.B Joshua heal this ma fine and he was healed, for a very long time. no body say anything after the healing but when he died people are now saying trash to blackmail the man in the synagogue,is really bad .let us appreciate the grace of God in the life of T.B Joshua.he is a great man of God.

Elmarie A

cecilia

>>>SO MANY people run after prophets, healers, other miracle workers! if only all these MANY people will DISCERN before the time, look at the open facts before hand – many would not fall into the trap of being ‘demonically healed’! (ahhh, I can hear how many has words coming up in their hearts to lash out against me now….<<

The MANY is what bothers me. They don't know what DISCERNMENT is or mean. When they start to ask questions on teachings about DISCERNMENT they are told some sloppy story that is twisted.

I attended ribbon embroidery class, with a group of Christian ladies 15 or so in class. When I started sharing my testimony with them all went well, BUT when I told them I am buzy learning about DISCERNMENT and Testing things changed.

1John 4 1 and 1Th 5.I .

I also asked them weather they felt comfortable with the TBN and other channels on tv, because I just had a problem with most of the programs a very uneasy feeling. I could immediatly feel a heavy curtain drop. No one was prepared to talk about the subject. I was told that it is a subject for theologians too complicated for us plain Christians and it is not expected of us as plain Cristians to be that well read. The one lady's words where "Oh no Elmarie dont go there". It is so so sad to see people walk into this type of danger because of false teachings.

But then I was very gently led away from this group by the Holy Spirit.

Elmarie A

Paso

>>How could people imagine like this,T.B Joshua heal this ma fine and he was healed, for a very long time. no body say anything after the healing but when he died people are now saying trash to blackmail the man in the synagogue,is really bad .let us appreciate the grace of God in the life of T.B Joshua.he is a great man of God.>>

The “healing” was in fact all over the newspaper tabloids. He was not the only man who passed away, Wuim Basson also passed away very shortly after his visit to this synagogue.

Mr Kruger was not healed for a very long time, infact he was in and out of the hospital during his sickness.

Blackmail ? or Big Warning Alarms, about this man TBJ and his synagogue, You decide. This man is satanic full stop.

Do you know the full story about Mr Kruger and others. Paso?

Say no more.

I can only pray for you.

Elmarie A

a little history about Wuim Basson who also passed away, very shortly after his visit to the TBJ synagogue at link below.

Michellé

I was wondering, as I read all the posts agreeing that TB Joshua is a false prophet, where the deceived are with their posts defending him and then…Voila! Paso, you didn’t dissapoint me. It is as if you didn’t read any of the other posts and just went straight into defending a man that is being used by Satan to defile God’s word, not opening your eyes to the truth that is being presented right in front of you – post after post after post… Actually, you know what? It’s not even worth my time discussing this with you, because I can bet you that the next post you’ll put will be Matt 7:1 – Judge not…

Open your eyes and spend some time in the Word – and please just read the truth posted on here , so that you are able to discern good from evil and stop defending those exact men that are spreading heresy – you are helping them confuse other Christians in believing their false gospel and creating false converts that will NOT end up with our Lord Jesus.

cecilia

that’s the Roman Catholic influence again. the priests (leaders) know. you don’t have to know. just follow them, do what they say… they know what they’re doing… and we all sing along… don’t question the song…
and the loyalty get so strong, that they will kill for their leaders’ sake.
cecilia

Thomas Scarborough

This incident happened a long time ago, but it influenced my ministry ever since. J., a young wife and mother, had stomach cancer, and her condition had seriously deteriorated. She vowed that she would get well, because she had faith. There were others, too, who spoke “the word of faith” over her. I said, “God can heal you if He so wills, but you need to say with Christ: ‘Your will be done, not mine.’” She screamed: “GET OUT! GET OUT!” There was nothing to be done but to leave. The scene is vivid in my memory. But the day before she died, she said to her mother: “Please, apologise to Rev. Scarborough on my behalf.” Her mother brought me the message, describing the deathbed scene to me in detail. This is theology that I often encounter, and it can have tragic consequences. God is sovereign. One can’t dictate to God, or tell Him how He should respond to faith or prayers. However, God’s love is sure, irrespective of one’s health. Sometimes, too, God may heal.

Kagiso Goitsemedime

THE TRUTH ABOUT MIRACLES
The bible says that he is the same today and forever (Heb. 13 vs 8). His powers and abilities are as such, unchangeable and regular. This same reasoning applies to his abilities to heal, deliver, bless, and do all the things that he has promised to accomplish for mankind. With this in mind, it is very crucial to point out that the process of healing is incomplete if it is considered from the part of Jesus Christ alone. It I clear that on the one hand is Jesus, ever willing to heal, deliver, bless, and on the other hand is the receiver, who is expected to play a part. Simply put, Jesus Christ has a role to play as much as we have a role to play in the accomplishments of the promises that he has promised us. It is not all up to God, just as it is not all up us.
There are cases of people who have laboured for a very long time, searching for miracles and spiritual intervention. It would be in the interest of these classes of people to be fully aware of the fact that the bible strictly instructs that whosoever desires miracles must be willing to accept the fact they also have a part to play. This role is simply assembled in the believing and sustenance of the miracle afterwards. Except a man believes, he would not receive. One has to believe whole-heartedly for healing to occur.
It is also imperative to note that when it comes to the issue of miracles, there is also an aspect that involves the maintenance of the miracle. A person who seeks healing from God should know that first, they have to repent of their sins and then become a new being in Christ. Afterwards, when the healing is perfected, the individual would do well to self by imbibing the teachings of the words of God and its instructions. In the time of Jesus Christ, it was very common to hear him instruct the people who were healed to go and sin no more. Sin is the tonic in which the devil thrives.
In truth, receiving healing is not as difficult as sustaining it. Everybody can receive healing when they believe but not everybody can sustain the healing afterwards.
This is not trying to be conclusive, but an attempt to make people see that God is the ultimate. Sometimes, he decides to act in ways that are not easily by humans. In every situation, God is still saying something. I am very sure that whatever it is, God has decided to make the best decision for Ruben Kruger. It is obvious that he has had the opportunity to know and accept Jesus Christ as his personal Lord and Saviour. I am thus very sure that he would be resting in the bosom of the Lord.

Michael Anthony

One of the books I have read in the past year is ‘Dances with Devils’ from Jacques Pauw. [The name should be familiar to South Africans]. It covers a whole spectrum of stories from Africa – journalistic stories, some undercover stories, tragedies etc. Chapter 12 is about TB Joshua [the chapter is called ‘Prophet of Doom’], an [actually overt] undercover story on this man’s ministry. You can argue that this is not a Christian perspective but the unscrupulous methods used in this ministry are astounding. Read it.

Elmarie A

Michael Anthony

I did read that chapter 12.Interesting to see it from Jaques Pauws perspective, As he admits when asked the question. If he is a believer. His answer is No, on page 220.

Proof that this should Spell clearly Danger!! even to non believers !!

Yolandi

I dont have a problem with Joshua so much because I believe God can heal anyone …Jesus said many will come and do even greater miracles than He did…So if Kruger died and others it might not have been in Gods will for them to live any longer then they did…I saw him (joshua) through the grace of Jesus bring back a baby from the dead and I to this day cannot believe that Satan has any hold or claim to life and death..Only God has that power…

Sorry Debs we have to agree to disagree on this one :))

Michael Anthony

Yolandi,

Greater works than these is referring to salvation to many, not miracles. Salvation of unregenerate sinners is by far God’s greatest work. How many preachers can claim miracles greater than turning water into wine, walking on water, feeding thousands? It’s not what Jesus was referring to.

The golden rule is never judge anything by experience; satan can imitate any gift, sign or wonder. You make a judgement based on what they teach and their fruits. Yes, only Jesus Christ hold the keys to life and death. Need healing? Let the elders/other true born again Christians pray the prayer of faith, as outlined in the book of James. The gift of healing is for the whole body of Christ and elevates no one single person.

Jonno

My question would be how does TB Joshua and Catholicism get lumped together?
@Deborah:

So instead of communion being symbolic in remembrance of Jesus Christ, the Catholic wine and bread actually become blood and flesh. They transform the ’sacrificial victim’ into the blood and body of Christ. It’s supposed to be a miracle and called transubutation.

– Transubstantiation. And ja is is quite a miracle. Its meaning is quite easily explained in scripture from both old and new testaments and the histories of the church.

In each mass the sacrifice of Jesus Christ is repeated over and over and over again. They continuously crucify Jesus Christ – Hence he is permanently nailed to the crucifix.
– Utter nonsense. That is not a Catholic teaching.

Partaking in this ritual you are actually consuming Christ. It’s horrendous to say the least. Nowadays they just take the wafer as Rome decided to just incorporate the wine and bread into the wafer.
– We take both the wafer/bread and the wine actually. Read John 6. The Jews thought so too.

Pax tecum!
Jonno

Elmarie A

Jonno

My question would be how does TB Joshua and Catholicism get lumped together?

Start googeling away and find the truth. Here is a little help for you where to get started so long.

JOHN 6

Did Jesus institute the Eucharist in Jn.6 as Roman Catholicism claims?

Some things to consider

The idea of a wafer that becomes Jesus each time it is baked is refuted by none other than Jesus Himself. If we read further in v.57- 58 He states the bread is Himself, His body, not a wafer baked in a bakery that will become Him by words spoken by a priest. We must distinguish the difference between the substance (who He was ) and the symbol He uses to describe Himself by, and the symbol taken afterwards (the communion that was the Passover).

The the same language in John 6 is used when He takes the bread in blessing and says take eat this is my body. It was a symbol of a spiritual meaning that the Jews practiced for 1,500 years. They knew exactly what He meant, the Passover. Kept in the context of the Passover service, we know that throughout the ceremony there is a consistent symbolism used to mean, “This represents that.” The salt water represents the salty tears and the Red Sea. The Charoseth represents the brick mortar. The parsley represents Israel in the springtime of her nationhood. The horseradish represents the bitterness of slavery, etc. The middle Matzah of the three (unleavened bread) represents His body and the third cup in the service represents His blood as it is the cup of redemption. In the context of the Passover, that is all that was intended, the word we find throughout the Passover observance is “remember.” This is a reference to the Passover that they were celebrating for 1,500 years to remember this meal as the deliverance from the bondage of their slavery in Egypt. Now Jesus applies this to Himself in their deliverance from the bondage of sin. Paul later states about the communion 1 Cor.11:24 “and when He had given thanks, He broke it and said, “Take, eat; this is My body which is broken for you; do this in remembrance of Me” in the same manner He also took the cup after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me.” It no longer was applied to freedom from slavery in Egypt but freedom from sin. We remember this by what He has done by His death that took place only once (for all) on the cross- and we remember by looking forward to His promise of His return. Once He returns we will no longer take communion (the Eucharist).

John 6 refers to receiving Jesus as the Son of God by accepting His teaching about Himself you are feeding on the food for eternal life (see the requirements for being raised up at the last day-verses 39-40, 44, 54).

Read on further here please Jonno : http://www.letusreason.org/RC4.htm and read all listed under the heading of This Directory lists articles on the Roman Catholic Religion. http://www.letusreason.org/RCdir.htm

You have allot to keep you busy for some time now enjoy the reading 🙂

Jonathan Frederick Lee Ching

The arguments for your position makes reasonable sense at face value. however there are some things to consider:

1. The context – i.e. a literal vs a literalist interpretation

2. The use of rhetoric and in accordance to the custom of the time (This is not 21stC America)

3. The fulfillment of the Passover in the Last Supper

4. The Early church’s teaching on the matter

5. The fact that the symbolist view of John 6 is only about 500 years old, and originated (with regard the protestant tradition with Luther)

6. That Christ himself does not correct the Jews on their poor understanding of the illustration, while at the same time asking his disciples whether they wished to leave. How can a symbol cause such a stir and climax with such a tense moment?

An interesting question indeed. One which I fear cannot be solved with mere rationalizing, since there are mysteries which surpass the mind such as the Trinity and Incarnation…

What are your thoughts?

Vengii

I have never heard TB Joshua claiming that he heals people. Jesus is the healer and your belief helps. Surely the guy died who said he was going to leave forever and who knew when he was supposed to die?

Elmarie A

Vengii

I have never heard TB Joshua claiming that he heals people. Jesus is the healer and your belief helps. Surely the guy died who said he was going to leave forever and who knew when he was supposed to die?

T B Joshua claims many healings he even claims to have raised people from the dead. The man has been proven a Heretic and deceiver.

Clueless in Nigeria?

The Synagogue Church Of All Nations has About 100,000 members. T.B. Joshua (TB stands for Tenitope Bolegun) the founder is called a prophet and a healer. He is 38 years old, married and has children. He began his synagogue 10 years ago with only a handful of people and he now has the attention of many people because of the powers he exhibits. Q: Why members of The Synagogue greet one another: “Emmanuel”? A: “My God is a universal God, so He knew the mission He has entrusted me with. The members of the synagogue greet one another by saying Immanuel. This saying means that God was with Israel present in the person of Christ in his incarnation, not just some general God who is here today. While this greeting may not have much significance to us for those involved in his ministry it certainly raises some concerns.
http://www.letusreason.org/Poptea8.htm

And here is more proof TBJ LIES by using his video footage as a gimmick. He even has his victims sedated and make people believe he has raised someone from the dead. Now that is just downright demonic if you ask me. This story below just again proves that TBJ is a cheating lair and a deceiver from the pits of hell.

HOW BABA MARULI WAS ‘RAISED’

FROM THE DEAD BY T.B. JOSHUA

Bisola as a voice-over personnel, says:

“When the service was over, Joshua asked to see us and the coordinator, and requested that we should spread the news that Baba had died. Majority of the people, including the Caucasians, believed, and I wondered why. Some of them did ask questions whether the man died afterwards because they had seen him come around. We simply said that the man was dead, we were preparing him for the mortuary and that all of them will see when his remains would be taken with them back to South Africa . Furthermore, we informed them that we were waiting until the next morning when we would call Baba’s relatives to inform them. At the end of the day, some of them believed our story while others took it with a pinch of salt. At about 9.00pm, T.B. Joshua told the camera crew that he had an assignment for us after we had eaten and were rested. In the meantime, we were to set up the cameras in Baba’s room; because what he had been praying for, for years was going to take place that same day. All of us, including Kehinde, Azeez, and Michael junior, complied as usual without question. With projects like this, only his loyalists or people that he believed could not betray him were allowed to participate. At this time, Baba had been fed and was afterwards given a sleeping injection in his condition. This is to ensure that he wouldn’t remember what happened to him.”

“Around 2.00am, T.B. Joshua asked us to commence recording. I was taken aback when he laid flat on the unconscious old man for about 30 minutes as we began filming. He then left. It took Baba another 4 hours before he woke up, but the camera crew had to keep filming to accurately record the time of his awakening for the video merging process later in the studio. While on the man, T.B. Joshua had instructed us to insert cotton wool into Baba’s nostrils, ears, etc. When Baba finally began to come around, muttering in semi-consciousness due to the heavy dosage of sleeping pills administered earlier, people in the room began to act out a scene of rejoicing to complete the deception. Prior to this, several people had been invited to give false testimonies like: ‘Ah, Baba, you were dead yesterday. How did this happen?’, or ‘Praise the Lord! Baba was dead, but something happened in the night when the man of God finished service. He had said that we should not take Baba to the mortuary’. We also got a nurse to give false testimony claiming to be one of the people that performed a post mortem on Baba, and that they had inserted cotton wool into his nostrils because they had no hope of reviving him.

“When we showed the church the edited footage, where T.B. Joshua had laid on the man later that day, followed by the part where the old man revived, many shouted for joy claiming that T,B, Joshua is the Elisha or Elijah of our days. A lot of people were so happy having been deceived into thinking that it was what T.B. Joshua did that brought the old man back to life. They were all invited to come and see the old man even though he still needed some rest. As they came in rejoicing, Baba Maruli was unaware of the general excitement because the medical team had intentionally kept him slightly sedated and in a state of semi-consciousness. This was so that his account of the event would not be inconsistent with ours. This video has become one of the most popular recordings shown to visitors at the Synagogue. Some are impressed that T.B. Joshua raised the dead, many are deceived but those who understand video production business might suspect that this was just a gimmick.”

We read in the Bible :

Matthew 24:23-25 (Amplified Bible)

23If anyone says to you then, Behold, here is the Christ (the Messiah)! or, There He is!–do not believe it.

24 For false Christs and false prophets will arise, and they will show great signs and wonders so as to deceive and lead astray, if possible, even the elect (God’s chosen ones).

25 See, I have warned you beforehand.

Mr. Jose. tesorosdelabiblia@yahoo.com

Hello my friends. I want to give an advise for all of you: We need a real touch with the God creator of heaven and earth. If we find it, our life will change, and we will born again. Only until at that time we will understand that we never criticize on any person who serves God. So, if you do not like how Joshua does, then go you all and preach the gospel as Jesus did!. Do the same works that Jesus made! Preach to the people so they may be save, heal all the people that want it, please.
Thank You and God Bless You.

emeka

Dont think you (people propagating this message)are a christian or even know the bible, don’t you remember what Jesus said to his people? Its not in your place to condemn or judge.

If they are satanic like you say, let God judge them. Remember the saying LET THE BAAL FIGHT FOR HIMSELF.

our God is neither blind nor deaf. You are too small to fight Gods battle

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