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Guillaume Smit – The Christian Bully vs The False Teacher

Guillaume Smit - The Christian Bully vs The False Teacher

 

Guillaume SmitAct 1, Scene 2

Guillaume Smit’s response to my article after I responded to his article:  What does he do?  He whips out the LAW – Hate Speech is what we are doing he implies.

But genuine Christians knew the day was coming when speaking the Gospel of Jesus Christ would be considered hate speech.  We knew the day was coming when preaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ would be banned because it would be reduced to hate speech.   You may quote the happy verses of the bible, but you dare not quote the verses in the bible that cause someone to break out into a sweat with regards to where they will spend eternity because of sin.

Guilluame lists below in his article what he considers hate speech towards him (after he wrote hate speech towards us).  But it gets better,  Guilluame then goes and uses the following scripture ‘against’ us- he expect us to have followed the below biblical method in speaking to him…

Here, then is my problem: The Bible teaches Christians to settle their differences in love. If we disagree with each other we are supposed to discuss it in private (Matthew 5:23-25). If this disagreement stems from one party falling in sin, and if he/she refuses to repent, somebody should be taken along. Finally this person should be excluded from the congregation in order to get an opportunity to come back to the community of faith (1 Corinthians 5). Interestingly, this passage also refers to revilers (1 Cor 5:11) within the community of faith.

So why didnt you do this before you wrote your 1st article Gulluame?  tsk, tsk.

Oh wait because as per your article below you say,

“Unfortunately, no reasonable conversation with these people is possible, as their agenda seems to be one of radical hatred against “deviant theologians.”

So why bother quoting these verses?  Firstly, we are not in your “physical church building” to be expelled and secondly if we were in your church and you expelled us we would zap ya with Hate Speech legislation.  Thirdly, the body of Christ is spiritual and thankfully you can’t make decisions on who is saved and not for only God knows our hearts.  See how it all this just goes around and around and around.

Anyhow…

You know what this type of thing is called?  It’s called being two faced, I think I told you this before in my last article.  All this only applies to you when you see fit;   the rest of the time you will apply it to everyone else because you see fit.  Everyone else who questions you, you label under the category of Hate Speech, but it’s not Hate Speech when you do it to us.

Hmmm I ponder how rediculous this could get.  Just as an example.  What would a pastor do if someone in their congregation questioned the pastor’s sermon?  Would the pastor call that hate speech if the congregant refused to agree with the pastor?  The pastor then brings in others to help this person agree with the pastor.  But they still refuse so the pastor expells them from the church.  Wonder if the pastor would get a shock when he realise his own hate speech threats were then given back to him in the form of a law suit because expelling someone for ‘disagreeing’ is considered hate.   Hmmmm….that would be a pickle, anyhow, so…

Moral of the story:    practice what you peach?  lol

As per the legislation you mentioned below in your article, you break it because you don’t agree with our ‘Religion:  Christianity.  You don’t agree with our  Ideology:  Christianity as per the Word of God (nothing added or taken away)  and you discriminate against a group of people:  Born Again Christians.’

You said so yourself, we DIFFER.  You said:

“These Christian Cyberbullies specialize  in attacking other Christians….who differ from their theological beliefs”

Oh Oh, now what?  That’s hate speech.

To make things easier I list some of the hate speech criteria here with regards to what Guilluame has said to us.  I will use the same legislation he quotes in his article below – Ordered list

As per Wickipedia:  Hate speech is a term for:

  1. speech that attacks
  2. disparages a person
  3. or group of people
  4. religion
  5. or lack there of
  6. ideology
  7. occupation
  8. mental capacity

SA legislation with regards to clear intention:

    (a)   be hurtful;
    (b)   be harmful or to incite harm;
    (c)   promote or propagate hatred.

10 Commandments (this is added by DTW)

    9-    Thou Shalt Not Lie

So let’s see what you said about us…

  • new breed of bully (a, b, c, 1, 2, 3)
  • These people call themselves Christian, but in practice they only resemble the vestiges of Pharisaical religion (a, b, c, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6)
  • These Christian Cyberbullies, specialize  in attacking other Christian leaders, blogwriters and pastors who differ from their theological beliefs. (a, b, c, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6)
  • Write and then quote them very selectively to ensure that their own readers only hear them saying what the Christian Cyberbully wants them to say.  (9- Thou Shalt not Lie)
  • In the mean time their opposition is mostly theological  (a, b, c, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 9-)
  • Christian Cyberbully normally adheres to a radically fundamentalistic view of Scripture, has no insight in developments in the area of biblical studies.  (a, b, c, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9-)
  • And more specifically, actually relish the thought of destroying another person’s integrity.  (a, b, c, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 9-)
  • choosing instead to “worship in a home group” or some or another cult or sect-like fringe group  (a, b, c, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 9-)
  • The damage these Christian Cyberbullies inflict, is tremendous  (a, b, c, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 9-)
  • negate the second most important command given by God – loving another as you would love yourself   (a, b, c, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 9-)
  • The attacks of these Cyberbullies make them instruments of the devil himself   (a, b, c, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 9-)
  • Sowing discord and hate, typical things the devil uses to destroy churches, Christians and ministries   (a, b, c, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 9-)
  • As Jesus told us in Matthew 5, I continuously choose to love my enemies, these Christian Cyberbullies included. But I have no fear of them, as they will ultimately destroy themselves.  (a, b, c, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7)

*  “Their frequent quoting of Scripture hides the fact that they are only busy with slander in the worst possible form”

So my point is Gulliame, you have nooooo right what-so-ever to point fingers at us when you are are doing the EXACT same thing.

But lastly, as we can see, all of this is actually just a complete waste of time.  Just scare tacts and a smoke screen to detract from the issue at hand.  The message that is preached in the church today contains a new message a false message that contradicts the Word of God.

I am not even going to bother commenting on the rest of your article (except for a few funnies near the bottom) because:   you slander us by frequently quoting scripture to hide the fact that you are only busy with slander in it’s worst possible form…or something…lol  (Refer to your quote * a few sentences up above in green)

You’ve opened a can of  ‘silly’ worms now –  if you are all red in the face, then I suggest hiding behind a curtain until all this blows over.

Yeah say no more….rediculous isn’t it folks.

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REVISITING CYBER BULLYING AND ITS HATE SPEECH

by Guillaume Smit

[DTW:  Emphasis and comments in green]

“Hate speech is a term for (1)speech that attacks or (2) disparages a person or (3) group of people based on their social or ethnic group, such as race, gender, age, ethnicity, nationality, (4) religion, or (5) lack there of, sexual orientation, gender identity, disability, language ability, (6) ideology, social class, (7) occupation, appearance (height, weight, skin color, etc.), (8) mental capacity, and any other distinction that might be considered by some as a liability. The term covers written as well as oral communication and some forms of behaviors in a public setting . It is also sometimes called antilocution and is the first point on Allport’s scale which measures prejudice in a society. Critics have claimed that the term “Hate Speech” is a modern example of Newspeak, used to silence critics of social policies that have been poorly implemented in a rush to appear politically correct.”

The South African law pertaining to Hate Speech and unfair discrimination, Act No. 4 of 2000: Promotion of Equality and Prevention of Unfair Discrimination Act. contains the following clause:

10. (1) Subject to the proviso in section 12. no person may publish, propagate, advocate or communicate words based on one or more of the prohibited grounds, against any person, that could reasonably be construed to demonstrate a clear intention to –
(a) be hurtful;
(b) be harmful or to incite harm;
(c) promote or propagate hatred.

It is indeed a sad day when Christians start to construe public messages about each other to propagate hatred, incite harm or be hurtful. In view of my previous post regarding Christian Cyberbullies, I’ve been invited to go and “bully the bully.” The storm in a teacup my posting caused was tremendous. It seems that my opinion struck a nerve and more than a few people found that the shoe fit and even put it on.

Here, then is my problem: The Bible teaches Christians to settle their differences in love. If we disagree with each other we are supposed to discuss it in private (Matthew 5:23-25). If this disagreement stems from one party falling in sin, and if he/she refuses to repent, somebody should be taken along. Finally this person should be excluded from the congregation in order to get an opportunity to come back to the community of faith (1 Corinthians 5). Interestingly, this passage also refers to revilers (1 Cor 5:11) within the community of faith.

However, disagreements on the basis of theological interpretation should be debated with great eagerness. As I said in another post about proof-texting, all theology is an interpretation of the Bible, and all persons doing Bible study is busy with theology. If my theological position differs from yours, you are therefore invited to engage into conversation with me – this implies that we shall respect each other’s integrity, be willing to listen to each other’s view points, try to learn from each other, and if the differences are unbridgeable, we should agree to disagree in love. Since the core of our beliefs is based on the redemption by Jesus on the cross, we should be able to bestow grace upon each other to differ on other
theological things.

A good example of this is the matter of baptism. As Reformed Christian I believe that children (and infants) can be included in the
sacrament. I base my understanding of this on the covenant that was made between God and Abraham in Genesis 15-17 as well as Paul’s
re-interpretation of this convenant in light of baptism in Galatians 3:26-29. I accept that you may differ from me, based on your understanding of Romans 6 and Colossians 2:12. But this makes neither of us wrong – as Ephesians 4:5 says, there is only one baptism. Our disagreement then stems from an understanding of the new covenant and the inclusiveness of the sacrament of baptism. What is wrong, however, is rejecting one’s view of baptism and forcing people to go through the ceremony for a second time because the first baptism was inadequate or different from what you believe.

And we do not have any right to attack each other’s position or throw doubts on each others’ faith or personal integrity. I was witness to a comment of a woman a few years ago, who specialized in spiritual warfare. She was attending the same prayer meeting I attended, to intercede for the city in which we both worked (not Cape Town, this is an old event). She stated: “Infant baptism is a sacrifice to the water god,” implying the church I belong to is doing something during the baptism of our babies that binds them to the devil or at the very least an idol.

This is hate speech.

The problem arises when no discussion is possible, when one of the parties refuse to listen to the other’s view point and when listening only occurs to get ammunition for yet another attack on the opponent’s integrity or view. In my opinion the people whom I view as Christian
Cyber Bullies have a hidden agenda and that is to promote their own theological view point as the only truth to adhere to. Because youdiffer from that view point, you are branded as an enemy (of the faith) and should be attacked. Their favourite proof text is 1 John 4:1. They conveniently choose to ignore 1 John 4:2 which states that anybody who refuses to confess that Jesus is the Christ that became human is a false prophet.

(Incidentally, I am on record that I confess Jesus as Christ incarnate. Moreover I am very specific in my confession that Jesus indeed rose from the grave in his physical body and not metaphorically or even mysteriously so that one is unable to say exactly how. Several texts from the gospels make it quite clear to me that these Bible writers understood Jesus’ resurrection to be in exactly the same physical body as the one He died with. I therefore take serious exception to the accusation that I profess another Christ.)   [What about extra biblical teachings like Mysticism, Contemplative Prayer, Meditation, other  New Age teaching and practices, Ecumenical/Interfaith etc, etc, etc, etc, etc – Just because you confess the above means nothing because you add and subtract tons of other stuff to suit your new world christian beliefs – if you accept teaching that goes against the Word of God then you go against God…no really!  But don’t take my word for it,  God says so in His Word – the Word of God that was made Flesh – Jesus Christ.]

Unfortunately, no reasonable conversation with these people is possible, as their agenda seems to be one of radical hatred against “deviant theologians” and them trying to convince their readers that the church is under attack by some new world order. Their favourite current topic is to attack pastors from the emerging church grouping. I would have seriously listened to them if their approach was steeped in the 1 Joh 4:21 principle and if they demonstrated a willingness to learn from those of us who have a different theological perspective in the same way we are willing to learn from them.

Now, all that is left for those Christians that constantly gets attacked by these Christian Cyberbullies, is to start considering the involvement of secular protection meganisms such as the abovementioned law (which, incidentally, I am not considering). I am only quoting this law as a sad commentary that a country with a secular constitution such as South Africa’s should have to make laws to protect people against other people’s verbal hatred and insults, especially in the area of religion. And that it has indeed become necessary to fall back on secular processes to re-align a situation, such as the current spate of hateful attacks by Christian bloggers, that clearly has gotten completely out of hand.

The problem is even bigger: If Christians do not even adhere to their own “constitution’s” requirements (i.e. the Bible), how can we expect unbelievers to take Christianity serious as an alternative to no faith or to another religion?

To end this post, let me provide you with examples of hate speech by Christian Cyberbullies. I will protect their identities, as I want to state it quite emphatically (again) that I have no personal vendetta against any of the individuals who operate these web sites. I only want to show you how far this thing has spiralled into a downward roller coaster without any hope of reconciliation. Please note: all following remarks are taken from actual sites, refer to specific persons (other Christians who confess the Christ of the Bible), and to specific remarks that were made by these Christians and are now getting branded as false teachings by those people operating and participating on these websites (please also note, some of the quotes are in Afrikaans).

* I don’t comb selectively, I take the entire article and then quote
false teachers verbatim and point out the blatant error of their
teaching.    [DTW Quote]   Just have to add this, don’t want Guilluame to think he was not crediting me and breaking any laws.

* But you do teach a different gospel, you said so above….  [DTW Quote]   Just have to add this, don’t want Guilluame to think he was not crediting me and breaking any laws.

* But of course!!! We adhere to the FUNDAMENTALS OF SCRIPTURE where
the new age theological’ists’ adheres to anything that opposes the
Word of God]. [Re:- Insights? There are NEW insights in biblical
studies? Nooooooo, you kidding!! This is such a pity, all those
hundreds of years before us, people passed away never hearing these
NEW insights that would have ultimately changed their beliefs. Thank
the Lord they believed in Jesus Christ by FAITH ALONE.  [DTW Quote]   Just have to add this, don’t want Guilluame to think he was not crediting me and breaking any laws.

* You are the one who is losing control because some people are waking
up to the NEW AGE gospel you preach.   [DTW Quote]   Just have to add this, don’t want Guilluame to think he was not crediting me and breaking any laws.

* Only someone who does not know the original and genuine Gospel is
capable of saying something so utterly anti-God and anti-biblical.

* If you can get people to believe that the Bible is just another holy
book with no inherent uniqueness of its own, and indeed to sow seeds
of doubt as to the distinctive matchlessness of the Bible, you can
mesmerize people into believing just about anything you say. This is
exactly what *** sets out to do …

* The Emergent Church may be of the opinion that they are restoring,
renewing and reclaiming the world and that they are instrumental in
the giant resurrection rescue that is allegedly underway, but they are
actually succumbing to Satan’s temptation to worship him in return for
the kingdoms of the earth.

* Ek kan net sê ek dink nie *** is ‘n wedergebore christen nie nie na
alles wat hy kwytraak nie.

* What wimpy balderdash from this so called “man” of God,

* Ons leef voorwaar in ‘n gekkeparadys waarin die sg. “manne van God”
meer begaan is oor ‘n anorganiese, lewelose wêreld as oor die kinders
van God wie se koppe vermorsel word, onthoof word, gemartel word,
huise afgebrand word ensomeer, ensomeer, ensomeer. Nee! die sg. “manne
van God sal eerder saamwerk met godlose en godonterende organisasies
soos die Kopenhagen Konsensus en die VVO om die wêreld kwansuis te
red. Ja, nee, ***, jou kop is gewis geswaai, nie soos die “Stephen”
van die Bybel hemelwaarts nie, maar na onder (aardewaarts). Kry jou
kop ‘n slag in rat, man!

* The emerging church is no place for Christians.

* Waarom sou *** dan so graag wil hê dat die laste in Matteus 11:28-30
na “reëls” verwys. Ag nouja! dis tog seker nie te moeilik om ‘n
antwoord daarop te vind nie, veral nie as ‘n mens in ag neem dat die
brose wesentjies van ons post-moderne eeu se nekhare gewoonlik rys
wanneer ‘n mens praat oor sonde en die verskriklike gevolge daarvan as
hulle hul nie bekeer nie. “Weg daarmee!” skree hulle. “Ons wil hoor
hoe om ons selfbeeld op te kikker en nie hoe sleg ons is nie.”

* Ons hoor voortdurend uit die monde van super apostels en predikers
soos ***, ***, *** en nog vele ander dat Suid-Afrika reeds ‘n
geweldige groot herlewing belewe. Ons is beslis nie nou midde-in ‘n
groot herlewing nie. Skryf dit maar gerus op jou magie en vee dit met
jou hempie af. Daar is hoegenaamd nie so-iets in ons land aan die gang
nie. Wat as herlewings voorgehou word, is valse sogenaamde herlewings.

* Die emerging kerk is openlik besig met hulle poging om die
Christendom te vernietig en hulle word ondersteun deur die lering van
***.

* I say this on account of ***’s reluctance to quote any of them on
his blog for fear that his own agenda may be opened wide and revealed
to the entire world for what it really is — an attack on the core
doctrines of Jesus Christ.

* I cannot question your sincerity when you say that you are trying to
reach this generation for Christ but I do put a big question mark
behind your continued affirmation of *** who does not even know what
it means to be saved.

* When *** teaches that you are the Gospel, he is wrong and should
repent. When *** teaches that maybe the Gospel is giving your all to
Jesus, he is wrong and should repent.

I omitted the names of the people who gets attacked, to underscore the extent of the Christian hate speech that is incessantly doing the rounds. [LOL, how convenient]

And finally, I want to re-iterate my previous commitment:   I will love these people in the way Jesus asked me to, even if they declared me to
be their enemy.    No no, you said:  (here and here) that:  

 “I continuously choose to love my enemies, these Christian Cyberbullies included. But I have no fear of them, as they will ultimately destroy themselves

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PS, to all out there, if you recognise those ‘quotes’ listed in *…* above as being yours, please comment below and let us know.

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26 comments to Guillaume Smit – The Christian Bully vs The False Teacher

  • Amanda

    Hey, he is talking about me! I wrote that over at Watch and Pray in response to the article Christian Cyber Bullies

    So we are Ds. Smit’s enemies and we are non-Christian Pharisees and instruments of the devil himself? And the plan is to love us until we eventually self-destruct? Wow! I am stunned by the forthrightness of his declarations. At least now we know exactly where we stand with the emerged Dutch Reformed Church, so kudo’s to him for informing the world.
    Ds. Smit:

    They launch scathing personal insults on these Christian leaders, on blogsites they set up themselves, accusing these other Christians of adhering to a different gospel than themselves.

    Getting the Gospel right is of utmost importance as it is the only means of saving sinners, and agents of the devil himself, from God’s wrath in hell. The Bible warns:

    I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel– not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.
    (Galatians 1:6-9)

    Only the Word of God has the authority to define the Gospel.

    Now I would remind you, brothers, of the gospel I preached to you, which you received, in which you stand, and by which you are being saved, if you hold fast to the word I preached to you–unless you believed in vain. For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures, and that he appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve.
    (1 Corinthians 15:1-5)

    When Rob Bell teaches that you are the Gospel, he is wrong and should repent. When Stephan Joubert teaches that maybe the Gospel is giving your all to Jesus, he is wrong and should repent.

    Thank you, Thomas, for not keeping quiet about the wolves rampaging through the flock. As for the Pharisee card, here are some snippets from a refutation written by Todd Wilken of Issues Etc on Pirate Christian Radio. He can and does quote Scripture, so you can verify whether or not what he claims is the truth. Please read the full article Playing the Pharisee Card and see that we are, in fact, Pharisees and that we need to repent daily or we shall end up in hell with all of the devil’s agents.

    Yes, that is what I said.

  • Amanda

    Die emerging kerk is openlik besig met hulle poging om die Christendom te vernietig en hulle word ondersteun deur die lering van UP.

    That is me again. That was in response to Ontoofding “in stander taal” is maar net soos tande trek

    That article addresses the issue of Christians that are beheaded by Muslims and that are ignored by the top ‘Christian’ bloggers in South Africa and Brian McLaren. Very sad.

    You can see more here on this DVD that is available here: NEW STREAMS IN THEOLOGY

  • Amanda

    The emerging church is no place for Christians.

    That is what I said on Eternal allegiance to Christ Jesus, the Mighty Victor over sin and death.

    The emerging church is no place for Christians. They say ‘Jesus is Lord’ and then rebuke Him with their eschatology of ‘that will never happen. We are establishing God’s kingdom here on earth through loving acts of kindness to the poor and crying with you [God] over the hole in the ozone layer!’

    After listening to the Peter Rollins sound bites on The Suicide of Thought at Pirate Christian Radio, I will say it again:

    The emerging church is no place for Christians.

    Chris Rosebrough:

    “Peter Rollins and the Emergents are not attacking Christian Doctrine They are Using Thoughts to Attack Thinking Itself.

    They want to replace ‘faith’ with ‘doubt’. No, thank you.

  • AdMo

    Guilliame Smit has been informed of this article. But if he does not comment it will be ok because he already told us that:

    “Unfortunately, no reasonable conversation with these people is possible, as their agenda seems to be one of radical hatred against “deviant theologians.”

  • Discerning the World

    I must say, I am interested to find out who said this comment:

    * What wimpy balderdash from this so called “man” of God

    Cos I did a search and the only place it pops up is on Guillaume’s EmergentBracken website…hmm

  • Discerning the World

    Ag, what a waste of the 5 senses lol.

  • Amanda

    The Rev. Guillaume Smit:

    You use a tactic of divide and intimidate and the spreading of slanderous comments about the integrity of people you disagree with under the guise of protecting the faith. In the mean time you have become an agent of the devil himself.

    Rev. Smit:

    I deliberately refrain from using Scripture references when I write to you. The Bible is not intended to be a proof text for one’s arguments. The Bible is also not intended to be used as a legalistic document viewed as containing only universal laws to be abided [sic]. The Bible is God’s Word, through the testimonies of the faithful believers who wrote it down.

    Smit:

    You do not acknowledge for a single moment your own shortcomings in the way you interpret Scripture, expecting from your readers to accept your interpretation as the one and only single possible reading. From this viewpoint you spend all your time and energy attacking Christian leaders and pastors and thinkers – people who mostly stood up to the challenge of communicating Jesus’ redemption to a group of people who cannot be reached by your way of evangelism or your black-and-white theology anymore. You use a tactic of divide and intimidate and the spreading of slanderous comments about the integrity of people you disagree with under the guise of protecting the faith. In the mean time you have become an agent of the devil himself. When I read the Bible I see that Jesus reserved his most scathing criticism for the Pharisees and rabbis of his time, people who used the Old Testament in exactly the same legalistic way you are doing today with the whole Bible. In stead of attacking Christians who are trying to bring the gospel of Jesus Christ to a increasingly broken generation, why don’t you start spending your considerable energy and knowledge to find ways to help broken, lost and destitute seekers see the light of God’s presence, and the love of Jesus, without judging them?

    Guillaume Smit:

    These people call themselves Christian, but in practice they only resemble the vestiges of Pharisaical religion.

    Smit:

    They incessantly comb every word these other Christians utter or write and then quote them very selectively to ensure that their own readers only hear them saying what the Christian Cyberbully wants them to say.

    Smit:

    The attacks of these Cyberbullies make them instruments of the devil himself, as they choose to attack Christians’ personhood, integrity – which for a Christian leader is rather important – and their ministries.

    Smit:

    In this, the church is turning against itself, sowing discord and hate, typical things the devil uses to destroy churches, Christians and ministries.

  • Amanda

    The Reverend Guillaume Smit:

    The problem is even bigger: If Christians do not even adhere to their own “constitution’s” requirements (i.e. the Bible), how can we expect unbelievers to take Christianity serious as an alternative to no faith or to another religion?

    By Jove, he’s got it!

    guillaumesmit:

    @brianmclaren Hi Brian. I’m following your blog on Ramadan. The respect I have for you increased because of your testimony. Guillaume Smit
    11:51 PM Sep 5th from Power Twitter in reply to brianmclaren

    Er,maybe not.

  • Sarah

    If I can just point out what Jesus said:
    Joh 6:70 Jesus answered them, Did I not choose you, the Twelve? Yet one of you is a devil!
    Joh 6:71 But He spoke of Judas Iscariot, Simon’s son, for this one was about to betray Him, being one of the Twelve.

    Jesus did not try and talk it out with Judas. He just knew – not all is well!

    So I agree that sometimes, there is just no need to TALK everyting out. That is where you need to ask the Lord what to do because THE LETTER OF THE LAW KILLS, but the SPIRIT BRINGS LIFE!

  • Discerning the World

    Sarah

    Agreed. I hear you loud and clear :)

  • Amanda

    I have a question for the Reverend Guillaume Smit of the Dutch Reformed Church: Are you going to warn publishers that they are breaking South African law by printing the Bible?

    The South African law pertaining to Hate Speech and unfair
    discrimination, Act No. 4 of 2000: Promotion of Equality and
    Prevention of Unfair Discrimination Act. contains the following
    clause:

    10. (1) Subject to the proviso in section 12. no person may publish, propagate, advocate or communicate words based on one or more of the prohibited grounds, against any person, that could reasonably
    be construed to demonstrate a clear intention to –
    (a) be hurtful;
    (b) be harmful or to incite harm;
    (c) promote or propagate hatred.

    The Bible teaches:

    But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”
    (Revelation 21:8)

    Thank you.

  • Discerning the World

    Oh Oh Rev Guillaume, I think this is what is most commonly called a pickle.

  • Amanda

    DTW:
    The Rev. Guillaume Smit is facing a bigger pickle than that one. He has now laid out to his congregation and the world that we do not have the right of free speech in South Africa.

    The South African law pertaining to Hate Speech and unfair discrimination, Act No. 4 of 2000: Promotion of Equality and Prevention of Unfair Discrimination Act. contains the following clause:

    10. (1) Subject to the proviso in section 12. no person may
    publish, propagate, advocate or communicate words based on one or more of the prohibited grounds, against any person, that could reasonably be construed to demonstrate a clear intention to –
    (a) be hurtful;
    (b) be harmful or to incite harm;
    (c) promote or propagate hatred.

    I will have to take the reverend’s word for it, because the link that he provides, does not have the text that he quoted. He also does not quote section 12 and maybe that is important. As far as I can see, he cannot preach the Law, because

    Now we know that whatever the law says it speaks to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be stopped, and the whole world may be held accountable to God. For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin.
    (Romans 3:19-20)

    He cannot preach the Cross, because

    For since, in the wisdom of God, the world did not know God through wisdom, it pleased God through the folly of what we preach to save those who believe. For Jews demand signs and Greeks seek wisdom, but we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and folly to Gentiles, but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.
    (1 Corinthians 1:21-24)

    What will he do? Is he going to break the law of the country in front of his congregation? Is he going to abide by the law of this country and preach … what?

  • Amanda

    Another question for Rev. Guillaume Smit, Dutch Reformed Church:

    Which text will you be preaching on this Sunday?

  • Discerning the World

    He can invite his church to “Guillaume’s Kitchen” on Sunday where he will be showing them how to make Pickled Cucumbers

  • Frank Kelly

    What is the difference between a Christian and an African witchdoctor pying voodoo nonsence at the roadside? It is the same superstitious gibberish.

    I have studied the bible. There is not one original idea there (all borrowed from other religons and superstitions) no revelations, no new knowledge (nothing that was not known before) full of contradictions and mis-information, written by ignorant superstitous goat farmers.

  • Discerning the World

    Frank

    Then you don’t study very well.

  • Amanda

    The Rev. Guillaume Smit:

    Sunday night I’m speaking on the question, Are you a cultural Christian? The challenge is to present the Biblical alternative. Any ideas?
    11:52 PM Sep 9th from Power Twitter

    YES, HOW ABOUT ANYTHING THAT IS DEEMED POSSIBLY OFFENSIVE TO ANY CULTURE CAN JUST BE *BEEPED* OUT. THIS CAN BE PRESENTED AS A CULTURAL ******** ALTERNATIVE.

    Oh. Thank you. Well then, it ***** to me that a ****** should ***** it is ******* and not what is *******.

    I ****** *** in the ******* of *** and of ****** *****, who is to ***** the ****** and the ****, and by his ********* and his *******: preach the ****; be ***** in ****** and out of ******; *******, ******, and ******, with complete ******* and *******. For the **** is ****** when ****** will not *********** teaching, but ****** ******* ears **** will ********** for themselves ******** to **** their own *******, and will turn **** from ********* to the ***** and wander *** into *****. As for you, ****** be *****-******, endure *********, do the work of an **********, ******* your ********. For I am already being ****** out as a ***** *******, and the **** of my ********* has come. I have ****** the good *****, I have ******* the ****, I have **** the *****. ********** there is **** up for me the ***** of ***********, which the ****, the ********* *****, will ***** to me on that ***, and not **** to me but **** to *** who have ***** his *********.

    I hear you can *** take-away ******* on the ********. Doing it the tweet *** is probably a ******* way to **** some ******** time.

    @guillaumesmit cultus = connect to God, culture = connect to others, cultivate = connect to planet. we need all 3. maybe new def of culture?
    12:17 AM Sep 10th from web in reply to guillaumesmit

    @guillaumesmit I find Emmanuel Katangole’s concepts of ‘wild places’ very instructive http://bit.ly/RNz3a
    12:37 AM Sep 10th from TweetDeck in reply to guillaumesmit

    No!

    I mean, **!

    And I, when I **** to you, *******, did *** come *********** to you the ********* of *** with lofty ****** or ******. For I decided to **** ******* among *** except *********** and him *********. And I was with you in ******* and in **** and much *********, and my ****** and my ******* were not in ********* ***** of ******, but in ************* of the ****** and of *****, that your ***** might not **** in the ****** of *** but in the ***** of ***. Yet ****4 the ****** we do ****** ******, although it is *** a ****** of this *** or of the ***** of this ***, who are ****** to **** away. But we ****** a ***** and ****** *****4 of ***, which *** ******* before the **** for our ***** None of the ***** of this *** ********** this, for if they had, they ****4 not have ********* the **** of *****.

    (1 *********** 2:1-8)

  • Amanda

    Rev. Guillaume Smit, we have a problem: ‘Gay’ man sues Bible publisher for ‘mental anguish’ $10 million sought for ‘negative connotation’ toward homosexuals

    A homosexual man is suing a third national Bible publisher for “mental anguish” after he says the company published Bibles with a negative connotation toward homosexuals.

    Bradley LaShawn Fowler of Canton, Mich., alleges Tyndale House Publishers manipulated Scripture when it published Tyndale’s New Living Translation Holy Bible and the New Life Application Study Bible by using the term “homosexuals” in a New Testament passage, 1 Corinthians 6:9.

    “One Bible dictates homosexuals will not inherit the Kingdom of God, while the other is completely void on the issue altogether,” Fowler wrote in a statement on his blog.

    As WND reported, Fowler, who had a blog on Sen. Barack Obama’s campaign website last year, filed his initial complaint against Christian publishers Zondervan and Thomas Nelson Publishing. Fowler, who represented himself in both lawsuits, said in his complaint against Zondervan that the publisher intended to design a religious, sacred document to reflect an individual opinion or a group’s conclusion to cause “me or anyone who is a homosexual to endure verbal abuse, discrimination, episodes of hate, and physical violence … including murder.”

    He told the Grand Rapids’ WOOD-TV in 2008 that he wants to “compensate for the past 20 years of emotional duress and mental instability.”

    Read it all.

  • Discerning the World

    Oh I can really see that Rob Bell Reduced version coming to a Zondervan near you. 5 pages of action packed information.

    RBR (KJV)

    Page 1: Nice glossy page to write a message to your loved one or your name and the date your received the New Scriptures
    Page 2: Index
    Page 3/4: List of all great scriptures/tests and scrolls found in the world, except the Bible.
    Page 5: Map showing places of birth and dates of all magor religious prophets from all religions around the world – excluding Jesus Christ.

  • Amanda

    Rev. Guillaume Smit

    Islam is not a culture.

    You’re welcome.

  • Amanda

    Christian hotel owners hauled before court after defending their beliefs in discussion with Muslim guest

    A Christian couple have been charged with a criminal offence after taking part in what they regarded as a reasonable discussion about religion with guests at their hotel.

    Ben and Sharon Vogelenzang were arrested after a Muslim woman complained to police that she had been offended by their comments.

    They have been charged under public order laws with using ‘threatening, abusive or insulting words’ that were ‘religiously aggravated’.

    The couple, whose trial has been set for December, face a fine of up to £5,000 and a criminal record if they are convicted.

    Although the facts are disputed, it is thought that during the conversation the couple were challenged over their Christian beliefs.

    It is understood that they suggested that Mohammed, the founder of Islam, was a warlord and that traditional Muslim dress for women was a form of bondage.

    Read it all.

  • Amanda

    U.S. co-sponsors anti-free speech resolution at the UN

    Free speech death watch. The U.N. Human Rights Council approved the resolution, cosponsored by the U.S. and Egypt, yesterday.
    It calls on states to condemn and criminalize “any advocacy of national, racial or religious hatred that constitutes incitement to discrimination, hostility or violence.” It also condemns “negative stereotyping of religions and racial groups,” which is of course an oblique reference to accurate reporting about the jihad doctrine and Islamic supremacism — which is always the focus of whining by the Organization of the Islamic Conference and other groups about negative “stereotyping” of Islam. They never say anything when people like Osama bin Laden and Khaled Sheikh Mohammed issue detailed Koranic expositions justifying violence and hatred; but when people like Geert Wilders and others report about such expositions, that’s “negative stereotyping.”

    And the worst aspect of this and all such measures is that the “Incitement” and the “hatred” are in the eye of the beholder. The powerful can decide to silence the powerless by classifying their views as hate speech. The Founding Fathers tried to protect Americans from tyranny by protecting free speech. Now our free speech is threatened, and tyranny will take advantage of that.

  • Alan Heron

    Hey Deborah, what’s the deal with the little faces by the posts? Do you pick ’em?
    Just curious. ;-)

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Hi Alan

    Sorry for the late reply. I have not been online.

    Nah the little pictures are default. Some of them are not so nice though. You can however get your own by going here: http://www.gravatar.com. You upload your own picture and link it to your email address. Once you do that you will see that this picture will change automatically. And no matter what you go across the internet, if you use the same email address your picture will show up.

  • Felipe

    My 2 cents about Rev. Guillaume Smit’s confession of Jesus, I hope you be aware that it doesn’t matter if you scream Jesus is your Lord in every street, Jesus himself told us:
    Matthew 7 (King James Version)

    21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

    22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

    23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

    Basically if someone deviates from Scripture, incorporates “New” knowledge, and anything else… well you all know the results.

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