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Discernamentalist Mafia

onlinediscernmentalistmafia - www.onlinediscernamentalistmafia.comThe Online Discernamentalist Mafia

… is 1 of 3 blogs by I. Todyaso or Iggy from WordofMouthMinistries

 Iggy is on the leadership team at Billings Vineyard Church (Montana, United States).  Iggy is also part of the Emergent Church and is bent on mocking born again Christians who adhere to the Word of God.

The subtitle of The Online Discernmentlist Mafia (ODM) is the following:   “Protecting The Sovereign God and His Truth from those who are out to destroy the church. A SATIRE/PARODY blog.”

No surprises here really, because reducing the Bible and Jesus Christ into nothing more than a joke is what the false Christ/anti-Christ is all about.  Iggy attacks many Discernment Ministries, I am not the only one.

This is the message on the front of the blog:

“Before you get all bent out of shape, please realize this is a satire site spoofing the so-called “discernment ministries” who deem themselves more worthy of Grace than the rest of us. So read and have fun! BTW, we are not against “good” discernment ministries that do actual real research and extend grace to others, only the bad ones.” …

Iggy and friends have had a go at many discernment ministries out there, like:

  • Apprising Ministries,
  • Christian Research Net,
  • Herescope,
  • Slice of Laodicea
  • etc.

But at the end of the day we do need to say thank you to Iggy, because in his own vicious little way he helps expose himself and others.

These are the people that inspire Iggy as taken from his WordofMouthMinistries blog.  I am not sure where Iggy receives most of his inspiration from to write with such hatred about the Word of God and born again Christians.  It can’t be from everyone he has listed under the section “People Who Inspire Me on his blog.

If you  feel you don’t want to be an inspiration for Iggy in any way, please feel free to contact Iggy and ask him to remove you from his list on his WordofMouthMinistries blog.  Then comment below and I will remove you from the list below or add a note next to your blog or website name.

  1. A Different Perspective
  2. A New Kind Of Conversation
  3. Anthony Smith
  4. Becoming Missional
  5. Big Pappa
  6. Blake Simpson
  7. BLuE ChRIStiAN ~ On a Red Background ~ John Trott
  8. Brian McLaren
  9. Bruce Droppings ~ Bruce Gerencser   (Bruce has nothing negative to say about Iggy or positive to say about Jesus Christ the Son of God)
  11. Dan Carter
  12. Dan Gilliam
  13. Daniel Partin
  14. Doug Pagitt
  15. Elson
  16. emergesque
  17. Emergent UK Creation media arts
  18. Emerging Grace
  19. Finishing Well
  20. Fishing The Abyss
  21. futurechurch   (Roger Saner from FurtureChurch and Iggy are like 2 peas in a pod)
  22. Glenn Kaiser
  23. Hackman’s Musing ~ say hi to Andrew!
  24. Harley Ghost
  25. Home Front
  26. house church blog
  27. IMonk
  28. Irenaeus on Free Will
  29. John H Armstrong
  30. Jason Clark
  31. Joe C.
  32. Joe Martino
  33. Jordan Cooper
  34. JR Woodward
  35. Kingdom Grace
  36. Larry of Occasional Opinion
  37. Leonard Sweet
  38. Levi
  39. Mere Mission
  40. musings and pontifications Matt Bathome
  41. Lifestream
  42. Major Ian Thomas
  43. Mmmm, That’s Good Coffee
  44. nator
  45. N.T. Wright
  46. NextReformation
  47. pomoxians
  48. Postmodern Theology
  49. praxis scripture study
  50. Punk Monkey
  51. Rebuilding Ruins
  52. Rick Ianniello –  (Rick says he disagrees and agrees with Iggy on different things.  Go check out Ricks blog and see for yourself how confusing it can get there.)
  53. robbymac
  54. Rob Witham
  55. Russ’ Ramblings
  56. Scot McKnight
  57. ShadowMage’s Domain
  58. Sivin Kit
  59. Smulo Space
  60. Soapbox
  61. Spencer Burke
  62. Steven & Callie
  63. Steve Taylor
  64. Stratopastor
  65. TallSkinnyKiwi ~ Andrew Jones
  66. That is not my Blog
  67. The Boars Head Tavern
  68. Tony Jones
  69. Trail Blazer Ministries
  70. The Holy Triage
  71. The Next Wave
  72. The No Name Pastor
  73. The Occasional Opinion
  74. The Pilgrim Path
  75. Theopraxis
  76. Thin Spaces
  77. Verum Serum
  78. Vintage Faith ~ Dan Kimball
  79. While Rome Burns
  80. The Wittenberg Catholic

…birds of a feather flock together…

All this started with my Article on Amahoro (a conference held in South Africa with Brian McLaren attending)

New article by Iggy – 7/06/2009 09:16:00 AM 

How do you even respond to outright liars and… well… idiots?

I mean this as loving as I can… I mean she is what she is and I guess being a liar and… well… an idiot is fine with her… really it is sad someone claims Jesus and stoops to this worlds methods of trying to harm someone else… I introduce, Discerning the World…

Funny who she left out on my blog roll… but then if any even takes a minute to read her site and then interact with her… will come away knowing she is most probably mentally ill.

But I do thank her for the free promotion… I am sure anyone that goes to her site will check my sites out and see that she is in fact an idiot. Can’t turn down free advertising. Now, I know someone is out there thinking, “iggy you are not being very Graceful toward Deborah…”Well I am… After all she is trashing all my friends… as to why?  Only that she hates me for some reason.

Deborah, hate is not a Christian virtue…

Pray for her… she really needs it. Yes, that is what we do for idiots… pray for them.. and love them in spite of the damage they do to themselves and others.


On the 13th July or there abouts.  Iggy was loving enough to help contributed in a very graceful manner to a wordpress blog that was set up by one of his friend.  They called the blog url discerningtheworld(3).wordpress…  my blog name at the was discerningtheworld(2).wordpress… and I was the original owner of that I deleted last year 2008.  

The person who signed up this url (with contributions and ideas from ‘friends’) took the same grey theme I use, took my author name Discerning the World and my baby elephant avatar to try replicate my blog.   The ultimate goal of this scheme was for them to have a playground where they could throw hateful insults at me non stop.

This is a snapshot and quote from discerningtheworld3.wordpress  – This is what Emergent thinkers think, these are the types of thoughts that run through their minds:

FakeDTWblog - AboutPage

Thanks for dropping by!    This is Discerning the World III, a site dedicated to truth and discerning things online (indeed, the entire world) which cannot be detected, and will not be detected, face to face.  Why the number 3?  Well, number one is too arrogant and we are anything but that. And it came to our attention during an intense discernment period that the number 2 is not fitting for any blog that claims to be genuinely Christian.  Two is a number that reminds us of the followers going 2 by 2  into the ark.   We refuse to be thought of as just another ass following suit.  If anything we are leading the charge in the war against truth!

Therefore we decided our name would be Discerning the World THREE.   Three is, after all, biblical.  Noah had 3 sons (Shem, Ham and Japheth), Joseph had a dream of three baskets, Aaron was eighty-THREE and he and Moses spoke with Pharaoh, total darkness covered Egypt for 3 days in one of the plagues, women are to wait 33 days to be purified from their bleeding before they touch anything sacred, Balaam’s donkey complained of being beaten 3 times, King Saul had 3 sons, Samson ‘performed’ in front of 3 thousand Philistines in his final act, Job had 3 daughters, Peter disowned Jesus 3 times and of course, the greatest reason we find the number 3 to be more biblical than the number 2 is because of the 3 greatest things.  But to know that you have to turn to 1 Corinthians 13:13 (more 3s!).”

Anyhow, I have so far received many awards from the Discernamentalist Mafia – I must be doing something right.


47 comments to Discernamentalist Mafia

  • Discerning The World

    >> He seems to hide it so well, talking about how Jesus saves, loving Jesus, the grace of Jesus, that jesus died for us etc.

    No he does not hide it at all well, I must say. His blog is exceptionally transparent, but of course only for those who want to see the truth and love Jesus Christ, and can’t stand to see their Lord and Saviour being mocked using Satire and Parody as a ‘cover up’.

    In fact you’ve got to be pretty blind not to see it. Oh that was a joke by the way.

  • I had no idea Iggy was bent on a one world religion. He seems to hide it so well, talking about how Jesus saves, loving Jesus, the grace of Jesus, that jesus died for us etc. Iggy must really hide his ‘one world religion’ deep down inside.

    If this posting is genuinely about discernment I would expect some genuine discernment…not over generalizations about Emerging, or Iggy or his blogs.

    I would suspect that despite the “Mafia” being a satire/parody of discernment blogs (this likely being one of them) it appears that Mafia is a) more discerning b) a bit more funny….except for the fact that readers here are to take your ‘missive’ a serious example of discernment.

  • nwohioskeptic

    Evidently only certain comments are allowed here. I see my previous comment has been deleted?

  • AriseMyLove

    Dear DTW:

    Don’t worry, that Iggy guy isn’t even funny.

    Now, there was a real satirist who pretended to be Cindy Jacobs selling her own clothing line of “anointed garments” or something a while back — now that guy knows what irony is all about. He had the cadences all down pat.

    Iggy is correct, though about conspiratorial ‘Christians” who read voodoo into everything. However, conspiratorialist Christians usually get all conspiratorial after they leave Third Wave, NAR or Emergent “Christian” Cults.

    You see, it’s all that bad teaching that wrecks their minds. I should know, I had two conversations today with a couple of my former NARbot friends.

    I told the Lord later that I imagine Hell would be something akin to being forced to listen to this dribble while chained to a wall and tape over your mouth. It’s truly stunning how these NAR teachings dismantle people’s minds.

  • Discerning The World

    Yes (nwohioskeptic) or Bruce Gerencser from Bruce Droppings

    >> Evidently only certain comments are allowed here. I see my previous comment has been deleted?

    Everyone’s comments are allowed, except those who do not follow the rules. But you are free to go and comment on Iggy’s ODM website or your own for that matter and spill out your hatred for born again Christians there.

    I wonder….is Bruce Droppings a metaphor for……. no can’t be…

  • Discerning The World


    >> real satirist who pretended to be Cindy Jacobs selling her own clothing line of “anointed garments”

    Oh I can just imagine. That makes me think that Todd Bentley could have made more money at Lakeland with a stand selling stick-on tattoos. Hmmmm maybe I shouldn’t say that to loud, cos just now they actually start doing it. Nothing cooler than a tattoo of Benny Hinn on your arm.

    >> I told the Lord later that I imagine Hell would be something akin to being forced to listen to this dribble while chained to a wall and tape over your mouth

    Hahaha, you know I said something similar to my husband last night. The worst thing that could happen to me is to be forced to listen to this stuff for the rest of eternity with Beyonce’s music repeatedly being playing in the background. Now that’s hell!

    Actually, thanks I needed a good laugh :)

  • Most people want to hear How God loves us, How Jesus loves us and how the Lord has a wonderful plan for our lifes, but they want nothing to do with the Righteous, Holy and Just God of the Bible that commands us to worship Him and Him alone.

    Strange how they long for the love and blessings of God, but reject the punishment when they have committed sin in the eyes of the Lord…

    Sin – what is sin???

  • Discerning The World


    Wonder if you said the same thing to Iggy? Nuh I think not.. It’s those darn discernment people who are the problem…

    PS, I never Identified you, Iggy did by listing you as someone who inspires him on his blog; so go blow your socks off at him.

    If at all you DO NOT AGREE with Iggy AT ALL, then please let us know here and then you can ask Iggy to take you OFF HIS LIST and I will do the same.

    If however you think that what Iggy says about born again Christians is ok, then by all means please…stay on his inspiration list.

  • I see that you have identified me as one who “who enable[s] Iggy to write with such hatred about the Word of God and born again Christians.” Have we met or communicated in some way that makes you feel that kind of statement is appropriate? Did you even read some representative portion of my blog? I read some of yours and based on what I read I perceive that you will find enough in my blog to hate me but I do not perceive that you exerted any effort before making your charge. It is obvious to me that you represent the accuser and I’ll pray for your repentance.

  • Your response lacks integrity. Yes, Iggy listed my as someone who inspires him. You list me as one who enables others to write hatred about the Word of God and born again Christians. You are the one who has demonstrated and incited hatred.

    Your reply to me is a dodge to avoid the point which is that you are guilty of making assumptions and responding from personal anger and bitterness. I’m sure you can now dig through my blog and find out enough about me to feel justified but the point here is that you had no idea of truth when you wrote this. You only embraced the seed of anger the the enemy of placed in your heart.

    I am neither defending nor attacking Iggy. I am only focused on you who profess to be Christ-like yet with no basis of truth found it appropriate to lash out at those you do not know. Shame on you.

  • itodyaso

    Here are some more “hate” inspiring sites for you to publish!

    People, Things & Places of Interest

    [URLS deleted]

  • Discerning The World


    >> I am neither defending nor attacking Iggy.

    Thanks for your answer. That’s all I wanted to know.

    >> You only embraced the seed of anger the the enemy of placed in your heart

    Yet you come and attack me when Iggy writes nothing but hatred. Well you are a bit of a pot calling the kettle black.

    Anyhow, you’re answer is not different from anyone other Emergent follower on this blog, so…ya…whatever.

  • Discerning The World

    No Iggy I am not interested in your “People, Things & Places of Interest”. Only the ones that Inspire you, under your “People Who Inspire Me”, which I got. Thanks

    They should be happy to be your inspirtation. I dunno why they are getting so annoyed.

  • itodyaso

    Deleted. Iggy’s getting upset with me again.

  • itodyaso

    Opps, Iggy just can’t help hating me. It’s that Law of Love thing…or whatever.

  • Discerning The World

    Rick, maybe, just maybe one you will stand up for Jesus Christ the Son of God and rebuke those who mock and insult HIM! But you won’t. Will you?

  • You don’t seem to be listening. They are annoyed because you said – and I will quote you again – “enable Iggy to write with such hatred about the Word of God and born again Christians.” I presume you have more than a kindergarten education and understand that everyone you credit as a help in your life is not responsible or even related to every error you may make.

    Yet in your bitterness and anger you cannot concede that simple bit of logic and therefore come back with childish remarks “I dunno why they are getting so annoyed.”

  • Discerning The World


    >> I have written a number of times against specific issues within that gang. In fact, Iggy and I have had a few public and private exchanges regarding our disagreement there.

    Then rebuke him publically again and I will remove you and make a note that you do not agree with his blasphemous writings.. Let us know that you WILL NOT STAND for what he writes. Ask Iggy to remove you being his ‘inspirtation’ as you do not want to be associated with someone who insults the one you call your Lord and Saviour, the One who gave HIS LIFE for you.

    You have a choice. You are either luke warm and sit on the fence or you stand up for Jesus Christ the Son of God!

    >> Your continued lack of repentance leaves you stained. Repent.

    Do you think Iggy will repent of his blasphemous, insults written about Jesus Christ the Son of God?

  • You continue the childish dodge …

    “Yet you come and attack me when Iggy writes nothing but hatred.”

    Iggy didn’t write about me, you did. I’m speaking to you. Is that going to be your excuse at judgement? You feel vindicated because you think you didn’t do anything worse than what Iggy did and because I didn’t address him that makes your action ok.

    “Well you are a bit of a pot calling the kettle black.”

    Apparently you are grasping for sound bites here. What is that supposed to mean. I am simply asking you why you go on public record accusing me of inciting “hatred about the Word of God and born again Christians.” You never spoke with me and haven’t read anything about me other than Iggy credits me for inspiration. You have no clue what inspiration. So to you pot and kettle reference, where did I do that to you?

    “you’re answer is not different from anyone other Emergent follower on this blog, so…ya…whatever.”

    Again demonstrating your ignorance. If you read my blog at all, you may say I’m an emergent sympathizer even though I don’t think I am. But you could never say I’m emergent. I have written a number of times against specific issues within that gang. In fact, Iggy and I have had a few public and private exchanges regarding our disagreement there. He, unlike to you however, took time to understand what I was saying and didn’t advertise to the world that I was a God-hater.

    Your continued lack of repentance leaves you stained. Repent.

  • Again, like a child – how do you know that I don’t? But that’s not what we are talking about here. We are talking about you making a a charge against me for which you had no basis. These enable “to write with such hatred about the Word of God and born again Christians.”

    Confess your sin – it will go better for you.

    And stop ranting about what I should or shouldn’t do when you haven’t the slightest clue who I have or have not confronted.

    Your behavior here mocks and insults Christ so consider yourself confronted.

  • Discerning The World

    You have a choice. You are either luke warm and sit on the fence or you stand up for Jesus Christ the Son of God!

    Revelation 3:14-18
    15 I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other!
    16 So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth.


    1 Corinthians 5:1-13

    11 But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat.
    12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?
    13 God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked man from among you.”

    IT IS WRITTEN: You MUST NOT accocaiate with anyone who ‘calls/professes/claimes’ himself a brother/sister but is nothing more tha an idolater or a slanderer.
    God judges those outside of the church, but we are to EXPEL the wicked from amongst us.

    So Rick, you either like what Iggy rights, you either find is acceptiable or you don’t and you ask him to repent. OR you leave him, you remain luke warm….

  • Your sin has engulfed your heart. You refuse to repent for slandering me. Here’s what I WILL NOT STAND for – you and the evil you represent. You believe my relationship with Iggy makes your sin ok. You don’t know my relationship. You took no time to understand it. And I will not ease the cancer that now eats at your heart as an unrepentant sinner. Turn to Christ and confess your sin. You can still enjoy life in Christ if you turn.

  • Discerning The World


    >> you and the evil you represent
    >> And I will not ease the cancer that now eats at your heart as an unrepentant sinner

    Golly golly gosh, such strong words, “I will not ease the cancer that now eats at your heart”? WOW. You’ve got some serious power Rick, you try curse me and then have that peanuts to say that you will not EASE it. Well….it is written:

    Deuteronomy 18:9-12

    9 When you enter the land the LORD your God is giving you, do not learn to imitate the detestable ways of the nations there.
    10 Let no one be found among you who sacrifices his son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft,
    11 or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead.
    12 Anyone who does these things is detestable to the LORD, and because of these detestable practices the LORD your God will drive out those nations before you.

    Having said that you now landed up in 1st place. Iggy prayed that it’s God’s will to Blind me. Your heart eating cancer is so much more, um…..what’s the word….stupd him.

    Just as a matter of importance.
    Your Chirst is the Ecumenical Interfaith Christ, not Jesus Christ the Son of God who died for your sin. And I don’t pray or repent or anything for that matter to your false ‘Christ’

  • Discerning The World

    Your behavior here mocks and insults Christ so consider yourself confronted.

    Um…, IGGY’S writings on his blog mock and insult Jesus Christ, and you refuse to make a stand and pick Jesus Christ’s side so you are picking Iggy’s instead.

    – So considered yourself CONVICTED.

  • [DETELED] Ohhhh Rick won’t say there is anyting wrong with Iggy’s blasphmeous website where he mocks, inults and ridicules Jesus Christ.


    You have a choice. You are either luke warm and sit on the fence or you stand up for Jesus Christ the Son of God!

    Revelation 3:14-18
    15 I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other!
    16 So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth.

  • Because Rick is saying there is something wrong with your website that insults and ridicules Jesus Christ and you have yet to respond.

    [Edited by DTW: Well then Rick, go comment on Iggy ‘I love to hate everyone’ Itodyaso blog and say what you want. Iggy has tons of articles about me and other wellknown discernment ministries. I am sure you will find yourself right at home here. Run along now.]

  • do you think deleting will clear your guilt?

    [EDITED by DTW: I have no guilt, I am not the one who has mocked and insulted Jesus Christ the Son of God, and I am not the one who refuses to take a stand against others who do so. If you are happy for people like Iggy to insults the Word of God and Jesus Christ then hey….nothing I can go.

    Anyhow back to deleting your comments. I am deleting your comments because I want you to go away lol. Now go write about me on your blog or on Iggy’s blog about how evil I am etc. I could not be bothered what you guys write. I know where my salvation lies and that is with Jesus Christ the Son of God. It does not lie with some human where I am to scared to take sides for fear of offending someone and now that is called ‘sin’. Pfffff….I would rather offend the entire world if that’s the case than offend my Lord and Saviour, my King of Kings, Jesus Christ.

    But you can go ahead and offend me…really….I don’t care at all. And yes I will delete posts when I deem it necessary. You know what would be a good article for your to write? Well seeing that you said this to me earlier: “And I will not ease the cancer that now eats at your heart as an unrepentant sinner” Maybe you can write about how you wished you were a character in Mortal Comat, the one where you get to blow fire out your nose…oh wait…that’s another game….ah you get my point”] I write like this because you think you have some kind of ‘power’ to be able to curse people. Which is just plain stupid!

  • Discerning The World

    I have edited the article slightly. Not because you think you have managed to threaten me in any way….but because I want people to go and look at your blog for themselves and see for themselves first hand what you believe. They can compare what they read on your blog to why you wont disagree or agree with Iggy at this point in time. The question remains. How can a ‘genuine’ Christian like yourself for one second tolerate such horrble stuff being said on Iggy’s blog and then still allow yourself to be linked to him as inspiration? I am not understanding this…

    I have read your blog, I’ve read quite a bit of it actually since yesterday. You seem very confused. You call yourself a Calvanist, yet you have images of Roman Cathothic Jesus as your heading image. You say you don’t agree with Peter Rollins, yet you agree with Rob bell. In one article you write that Brian McLaren is ok and then later you say he is not. You seem to taste test everything. If you don’t like it then you will say so, but at the same time you will find something that you can ‘take out’ for yourself. Like reading Frank Viola’s books sent t you by someone. You agree and disagree. You speak about Emergents as being something ok, but the moment you realise they are heading the move universalist direction then you change your mind. You seem half this way half that way ecumenical. Yet unity puts you off balance. OK, I see the last few weeks the articles on your blog are now more Word of Faith / Dominonist, Kingdom Now. Hmmm…. that’s a whole other discussion.

    Anyhow…thats enough for one day, or night…I need to repair my armour for the great attack that will come upon me tomorrow. Never a dull day when standing up for Jesus Christ the Son of God and His Gospel Truth.

  • Discerning The World


    You don’t need to apologise to me. I do agree with you that I wrote was actually not the best way to explain the situation of who inspires who, so I’ve now edited it to allowed people to agree or disagree on the matter. But it still doesn’t let you off the hook. I just can’t understand how you for one second could even agree with Iggy and the stuff he has written. It’s not like there is anything on his sites that are even remotely biblcal. I’ve looked…and there is nothing. It’s all horrible stuff.

    Oh sigh….nevermind..I am off (and no not in a smelly way). See I still have a sense of humour after all of this. And NO I am not a child. Unlike a lot of Emergents out there who pick on Jesus Christ the Son of God when He has not yet returned to wipe them off the face of this planet. They have to do it now, cos they know they wont get away with it later.

  • Sorry – now I apologize to you. I see that you have written a caveat by my name. Thank you.

  • Discerning The World

    Rick, I have like tons of people speaking to me on a daily basis all expecting replies. It’s very difficult for me. I will reply where I can. For now, nope, nothing to say right now, this moment. You are welcome to comment on other articles too.

  • Now that we have adjusted our “tones”, it may be interesting and fruitful to continue to interact regarding this. Would you find value in that or were your questions rhetorical?

    If you would like to continue discussion, is your preference email or via blog comments? For me, email may be easier but if you thought the exchange beneficial for others, then blog comment is ok with me.

    I’m traveling to the Ukraine and back this week so response may be slow. Just indicate what you like, even if it’s “drop it” and I will reply as soon as I can.

  • Joe

    Anyhow…thats enough for one day, or night…I need to repair my armour for the great attack that will come upon me tomorrow. Never a dull day when standing up for Jesus Christ the Son of God and His Gospel Truth.

    hahah. You realize this is just a blog. That’s it. You’re not fighting any great spiritual battle, you’re just hiding behind anonymity and saying what you want. When you’re questioned, or called to stand for account you claim persecution. I doubt very much God is all that pleased with what you write here, and I doubt you think that He is either. Sure, you’ll come back with something witty to attack my intelligence or character but deep in your heart you know the truth. God is repulsed by what you write here. You just can’t give that small voice in your gut any room or you’ll have to stop and if you stop how will you feed your anger?

  • Discerning The World

    Dear Joe

    I think Rob Bell is very pleased with you that you are here standing up for him and his occult teaching. This is a spiritual battle. If you read your bible you would know that.

    Ephesians 6:12

    New International Version
    –For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.

    New American Standard Bible
    –For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.

    International Standard Version
    –For our struggle is not against human opponents, but against rulers, authorities, cosmic powers in the darkness around us, and evil spiritual forces in the heavenly realm.

    Gave you 3 translations just incase you don’t understand. I hope you do now.

    And then:

    Ephesians 6:10-18

    Be strong in the Lord and in the power of His might. Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.

    Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. Stand therefore, having girded your waist with truth, having put on the breastplate of righteousness, and having shod your feet with the preparation of the gospel of peace; above all, taking the shield of faith with which you will be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked one.

    And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God; praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, being watchful to this end with all perseverance and supplication for all the saints….”

    The ARMOUR is the WORD OF GOD.

    But you are always welcome to ask Rob Bell if this is true. Love to know what he has to say on this.

  • Joe

    DELETED – Joe is one of those who tells everyone else they accuse and judge while he accuses and judges.

  • Discerning The World


    >> Of course seeing the difference is a matter of proper discernment.

    that’s right… so why can’t you see the difference.

  • parody/satire is what it is….typically a way to show some reality using a device that is funny. If you read the ‘transparent’ (IE MAFIA) blog you would see that Jesus is NOT being mocked rather the trumped up discernment that passes itself off as ministry and as representatives of Jesus that is being dismantled and satirized.

    Of course seeing the difference is a matter of proper discernment.

  • Discerning The World

    Yesssssss, it’s all one sided is it not. Pity I deleted Bruce’s first comment that was not worded very nicely to me. I chose to use the artistic metaphor for his blog name because quite recently I was metaphorically compared to a suicide bomber on Nic Paton’s blog by some guy called Andrew. Since Online Discernamentalist Mafia is all poetic and satirical and metaphoric and artistic and whatever else I thought I would just keep up with the latest trend on how to show love.

    So as you said, “parody/satire is what it is….typically a way to show some reality using a device that is funny.” Oh I laughed so much when I was compared to a suicide bomber.. it was really funny…no really. Best joke ever.

  • Greetings my sister in Christ,

    I have no problems with discernment per se. We need to divide truth and error. But while you accuse others of ‘hate’ it seems that you carry little respect for those you see fit to chastise (case in point ‘Bruce Droppings’. I wonder….is Bruce Droppings a metaphor for……. no can’t be…” Is that necessary and will you ‘win’ an argument by such insinuation?

    St. Peter calls us to have reverence and respect for others (especially non-believers) and we are called by Jesus to love one another (fellow believers) as a mark of Christian brotherhood. In addition Pauline apologetics sets us an example of building bridges to those whose world view is an anti-thesis to the one Jesus expose. I hope that this will help set the pace for further conversations for others who come here to discover/ engage in discernment and apologetics is all about.

    Therefore, let us dismantle bad arguments rather than attempting to undermine people.



    PS I would highly recommend reading Victor Reppert, William Lane Craig, Ravi Zacharias, Habermas as examples of very good apologetics / discernment (hope that helps!)

  • Discerning The World

    I said: “Iggy was loving enough to help contributed in a very graceful manner to a fake ‘DTW3’ wordpress blog that was set up by one of his ‘friends’. ” You commented there so you helped to contribute? right… Did your friend not email you to tell you it was up and you needed to come over and comment and you all laughed thinking it was soooo funny to steal my identity??

    I never said you were the one that created this fake DTW3 blog Iggy. All I said was that you assisted the person (you knew what the was doing, you knew what he was upto).

    I know who did this. You can carry on with your OD mafia website, I can’t be bothered with that one or you for that matter. It’s identity theft I have problem with and you know very well who started it all.

    And no Iggy, I didn’t bring anything upon myself. I did not hold a gun to said persons head and force him to do what he did and make a replica of my blog and steal my identity. He is quite capable of vicious deeds all by himself, no DIY manual requied.

  • itodyaso

    Deborah… I have nothing to do with the DTW3… you brought that on yourself… do not blame me. Good grief.

    I made a few comments on it that is all. In fact I am a bit opposed to them “stealing” your identity.

    Please get your facts straight and stop lying about me.

  • I get so confused about my identity at times that I find I even delete my own comments! Hey! Don’t disagree with me! [DELETED FOR ASKING ME TOO MANY QUESTIONS THAT I CANNOT ANSWER]

    See? I did it again.

    We will discern this world together, Deborah. Keep up the vicious stand for TRUTH! To hell with all the “love” talk!

    [Edited: This is the person who impersonated my blog and name]

  • Discerning The World

    Well…fake Discerning The World 3

    You see…that’s where you are wrong on all counts :)

    Ah I might as well tell you; one of your gang snitched, wonder who turned their backs on you all, but their face is still turned in your direction. Ouch, who can you trust eh! Tough world we live in especially when it’s filled with tricksters and jesters and jokers and thieves.

  • Amanda

    I have nothing to do with the DTW3


    you brought that on yourself

    You provoked them into sinning against you?

    I made a few comments on it that is all.


    In fact I am a bit opposed to them

    A bit.

    to them “stealing” your identity.


    Please get your facts straight and stop lying about me.

    Iggy is rebuking you in no uncertain terms. Notice the lack of quotation marks around ‘lying’. How come emergents are quick to take a firm stand against Christians while those of other religions and no religion get a free pass? What is going on here?

  • Amanda

    DTW 3. What you did in stealing DTW’s identity is wrong. Repent and knock it off.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Chad Holtz, Methodist Church pastor in North Carolina, fired for questioning whether hell exists

    Hell hath no fury like a ministry scorned.

    A pastor at a Methodist Church in North Carolina lost his job after questioning traditional views on the nature of hell.

    Chad Holtz got his walking papers after posting a note on Facebook supporting a controversial book by an evangelical preacher that rethinks hell as a place for billions of damned souls.

    “I think justice comes and judgment will happen, but I don’t think that means an eternity of torment,” Holtz said. “I can understand why people in my church aren’t ready to leave that behind. It’s something I’m still grappling with myself.”

    The book, written by Rob Bell and titled “Love Wins,” has caused quite a stir for questioning the belief that only a select number of Christians are allowed in heaven while everyone else burns in eternal hell fire.

    Traditional Christians say the book’s point is very similar to the theological position of universalism, which is considered heresy for many churches.

    Bell denies he is a universalist and says he is just arguing that Christian teaching focuses too much attention on hell.

    Officials with Holtz’s church declined to discuss his firing in detail, but suggested there was more to it than his position on hell. [Emphasis added]

    Holtz said he continues to work on reconciling his beliefs but feels liberated by making his struggle public.

    “So long as we believe there’s a dividing point in eternity, we’re going to think in terms of us and them,” Holtz said. “When you believe God has saved everyone, the point is, you’re saved. Live like it.”


    Chad Holtz was part of the Discernamentalist Mafia crowd.
    I wish Chad Holtz would liberate himself further and apologise publicly for making the following website:!

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