To Emergents: Romans 8 1-12

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Romans 8 1-12

1 Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.

2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death.

3 For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh,

4 so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

5 For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit.

6 For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace,

7 because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so,

8 and those who are in the flesh cannot please God….

9 However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.

10 If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness.

11 But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.

12 So then, brethren, we are under obligation, not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh

Deborah (Discerning the World)

Discerning the World is an internet Discernment ministry based in Johannesburg South Africa that was founded by Deborah du Rand in 2008. Tom Lessing joined Deborah in May 2013. Tom Lessing founded the website "Waak en Bid/Watch and Pray" which was closed in 2013 and articles moved across to DTW.

8 Responses

  1. Discerning The World says:

    That’s why I posted it because Emergent (One World Religion-ers) never understand this verse…

  2. Steve K. says:

    Since you apparently “understand” this verse, would you mind explaining it, rather than just making things bold and underline? That would really be helpful, so I could know what your theology is and where you are coming from. How do I know that you’re not the one trying to start a “one world religion”? 😉 Thanks.

  3. Discerning The World says:

    Steve K

    Why must I explain it to you? You should know exactly what it means. You should also know what it means to be a genuine Christian. For if you were you would not be asking rediculous questions like this – testing me.

  4. Steve K. says:

    OK. No need to get testy. I just thought since “Emergents never understand this verse,” and I guess I’m one of those so-called “Emergents” that you might like to explain it to me. But I’m understanding you now — I’m just supposed to “know exactly what it means” if I’m a “genuine Christian.” Gotcha.

    BTW – I love these verses, and I’m with Iggy: Romans 8 in no way contradicts my convictions as an “Emergent.” God’s word is truth and is the authority for my life. Praise God for Jesus’ life, death, and resurrection.

  5. iggy says:

    Can I ask what the point of this post is? Really it has not context and makes no sense… I agree with all of the scripture but am unsure of YOUR meaning behind them… God’s word is truth and all the “emergents” (again, no even sure you know what you are saying there) do not deny the scripture… It is the authority of our lives.

  6. Discerning The World says:

    Steve K

    >> and I guess I’m one of those so-called “Emergents”

    You said it not me…

    >> I’m just supposed to “know exactly what it means” if I’m a “genuine Christian.” Gotcha.

    YES, the bible does say that when one is truly born again the Holy Spirit leads us into all understanding, truth and remembrance of Jesus. Do you think God leaves you in the dark regarding his Word? No.

    >> word is truth and is the authority for my life. Praise God for Jesus’ life, death, and resurrection.

    And of course the Bible and Emergent New Age teaching are compatible as per ya’all. This is why you can quote scripture and apply it to how ever you feel suits the New Emergent One World Relgion ‘Chrsitian’ beliefs

  7. Scott says:

    Hi , I saw a website with John saying he didn’t believe in God’s Sovereignty in Salvation
    I was wondering because he said GOD is LOVE which is True…but I would like to know, if God
    is Love then why are people going to hell in a hand basket? If God created man then what makes
    one man believe and the other one NOT?

  8. Scott wrote:

    Hi, I saw a website with John saying he didn’t believe in God’s Sovereignty in Salvation I was wondering because he said GOD is LOVE which is True . . . but I would like to know, if God is Love then why are people going to hell in a hand basket? If God created man then what makes one man believe and the other one NOT?

    Surely, you know that love must be reciprocal before there can be any kind of relationship between two people. God loves all people but not all people love Him. Imagine God allowing people who do not love Him to stay in his heaven. Would you want a woman to remain with you in your home when she does not love you? That’s ridiculous.

    It all depends on what you mean by God’s sovereignty in salvation. If you mean by it that God only loves and chooses some people unto salvation and rejects the rest because He hates them and never allowed his Son to die for them on the cross, then you have a warped idea of God’s sovereignty. God’s sovereignty lies in his choice to love all people and to have his Son die for all people. (2 Peter 3:9). The reason why most people go to hell is not because God chose to send them there before the foundation of the world. They are going to hell because they choose of there own free will to reject the cross of Christ. “For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.” (1 Co 1:18).

    Indeed, God created man but he created him with a free-will to decide for himself whether he wanted to love Him or not. There are many things God cannot do and one of those things is to force people to love Him. If he’d forced people to love Him He would have been nothing else than a despotic dictator. And that’s precisely how Calvinists see his sovereignty. If your wife had no free-will to decide whether she wanted to love and marry you, you would have been betrothed to a robot with no capability to love anyone. Free-will and love go hand in hand like love and marriage go hand in hand like a horse and carriage. The only problem is that Calvinists put the horse before the carriage. By that I mean that they believe the elect must first be regenerated monergistically before God can give them faith as a gift. That’s not biblical salvation.

    You ask: “If God created man then what makes one man believe and the other one NOT?” Jesus porvides the answer for us: He said: “They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick.” (Mat 9:12). No one can be saved unless they realize that they are lost sinners. Most people readily acknowledge that they are sinners because they cannot deny it. But very little acknowledge that they are on their way to hell. A Calvinist once said to me:

    The bible never says that God’s people [the elect] were ever bound for hell, it says they were chosen “in Christ” before the foundation of the world (Eph 1:4). The conviction of sin is usually misinterpreted by God’s people to be the conviction that they are hell bound, the gospel explains to them that they are not, because of what Christ did FOR them.

    Conviction of sin is the belief in the reality of sin in light of God’s holiness and perfection. Many of God’s children believe this to mean that they are going to hell. They are not. That is why they need to hear the good news of their salvation, so that they can believe it, rejoice in it, and profit from it. The gospel doesn’t make their salvation true, their salvation IS TRUE and the gospel proclaims it to the Lord’s people who receive it by faith and profit from that understanding.”

    Does he need the Great Physician, Jesus Christ? You must be kidding. Self-righteous people do not need Jesus to save them. (Mat 7 :13-14).