Quiz Time??? Topic: Sin

Tom (Discerning the World)

Tom Lessing is the author of the above article. Discerning the World is an internet Christian Ministry based in Johannesburg South Africa. Tom Lessing and Deborah Ellish both own Discerning the World. For more information see the About this Website page below the comments section.

18 Responses

  1. Edmund says:

    [Deleted by DTW] As I said, we don’t promote Pharisaic highhandedness and its hatred of other people because you think you are any better than they.

  2. Edmund says:

    Shame on you, Tom! It’s your platform and you can choose to do whatever. Just putting up a picture of Sodom without addressing the issue of homosexuality is hypocritical!

  3. Oooppsss!! :ohno: I thought this was an article comparing the sin of Sodomy to Nephilim teaching. I was not thinking when I read the article, I made a big mistake, apologies Edmund, I led you in the wrong direction :sorry: I’ve deleted my comment.

  4. Edmund says:

    The issue of homosexuality, like other sins, is already settled in the word of God, and is not a matter for debate or deliberation. It is a sin and an abomination ( 1 Cor 6:9-11; Lev 18:22; 20:13). Instead of confessing their sin to be forgiven, these deviants would rather take pride in their sin and parade their sin and are even now harrassing those against this satanic homosexual agenda. But one thing is for sure, the homosexual agenda will crumble, just like the tower of Babel, and they cannot win!!

  5. Hi Edmund

    Edmund, are you a Calvinist?

    We know that homosexuality is a sin and we already know all the verses you quoted to prove it. Why don’t you answer the question?

  6. Edmund says:

    Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:

    Oooppsss!! I thought this was an article comparing the sin of Sodomy to Nephilim teaching. I was not thinking when I read the article, I made a big mistake, apologies Edmund, I led you in the wrong direction I’ve deleted my comment.

    No problem, Deborah.

  7. Edmund says:

    Tom (Discerning the World) wrote:

    Hi Edmund

    Edmund, are you a Calvinist?

    We know that homosexuality is a sin and we already know all the verses you quoted to prove it. Why don’t you answer the question?

    Well, I’m not Calvinist, and I don’t belong to any denomination, but to Christ alone! As to which sin is worse than sodomy, why bother? Sodomy is as disgusting as it is reprehensible and abominable and deviant, even animals know better than Sodomites!!

  8. Edmund,

    You still haven’t answered the question. According to Jesus there is a sin that is even worse than the abominable sin of sodomy. The fact that you are not listening proves it to the letter. And while you are thinking about what my last sentence means, you may like to ponder the following.

    But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. (Matthew 9:13).

    Are you prepared to be cast into hell for the sake of sodomites so that some of them may be saved, like Paul who said:

    I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost, That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart. For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh: (Romans 9:1-3)

    This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. (1 Titus 1:15)

    The word for chief is “prōtos” and means “of whom I am foremost and the best.”

  9. RJ says:

    Okay, you guys: you’ve sent me into a zone in “thinking a lot about this” (homework!) over this past week! You said keep it short, I apologize ahead of time for the length, feel free to edit where necessary.

    “Escape from sexual immorality. Every sin that a man commits is outside the body. But he who commits sexual immorality sins against his own body” (1 Cor. 6:18, MEV).

    Adultery = sin against self, the participating person AND against God AND against spouses.
    Fornication = sin against God, against self, against own body + possible repercussions of scars/wounds/regrets for life
    Incest = again, scars for life in addition to sinning against own body + against brother or sister
    Molestation = traumatizes victims for years, if not a lifetime

    Homosexuality [basing this on ones I personally know who are in this camp] = bound up by their sin & either trivialize it, or (worse) do not see it as “sin” at all & glorify it, take pride in it & literally parade it around for the world to see! Turn all the negativity about it into something “positive” EXAMPLE: slogan: “Love Wins”!!
    Another EX: Lighting up the White House with “colorful” (rainbow-colored) lights after gay marriage was considered legal in USA
    In my personal opinion, one of the worst things about it is it being PUSHED on everyone! From very young school children to the gay guy who works the old ladies’ clothing dept. in an upscale store who “wants to put you in this exciting dress”. But worst of all is the push on the young children who’re so impressionalble! Check out Romans 1 v 32 which says, WORSE YET, they encourage others to do them, too (NLT) I’ve never known ANY OTHER “sin agenda” to be PUSHED on all people as this particular one.

    Leviticus 18:22
    22 “`Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.”
    Leviticus 20:13. “If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.”

    1 Corinthians 6:9-10
    9 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders
    10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

    Genesis 19:1-29 says God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah
    Genesis 13:13 identify the men of Sodom as exceedingly wicked sinners.
    Genesis 18:20 says that the sin of Sodom is “very grievous.”
    Genesis 18:23 adds emphasis to the portrayal of the inhabitants of Sodom as “wicked.”
    Genesis 18:24-33 shows that God could not find even 10 righteous souls in Sodom. The perverts who inhabited Sodom, even wanted to rape God’s Angels who had come to Sodom to rescue Lot.

    1 Corinthians 6:9-10 New Living Translation (NLT)
    9 Don’t you realize that those who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Don’t fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, or who worship idols, or commit adultery, or are male prostitutes, or practice homosexuality, 10 or are thieves, or greedy people, or drunkards, or are abusive, or cheat people—none of these will inherit the Kingdom of God.

    Galatians 5:19-21 19 When you follow the desires of your sinful nature, the results are very clear: sexual immorality, impurity, lustful pleasures, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hostility, quarreling, jealousy, outbursts of anger, selfish ambition, dissension, division, 21 envy, drunkenness, wild parties, and other sins like these. Let me tell you again, as I have before, that anyone living that sort of life will not inherit the Kingdom of God.

    Romans 121 Yes, they knew God, but they wouldn’t worship him as God or even give him thanks. And they began to think up foolish ideas of what God was like. As a result, their minds became dark and confused. 22 Claiming to be wise, they instead became utter fools. 23 And instead of worshiping the glorious, ever-living God, they worshiped idols made to look like mere people and birds and animals and reptiles.
    24 So God abandoned them to do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other’s bodies. 25 They traded the truth about God for a lie. So they worshiped and served the things God created instead of the Creator himself, who is worthy of eternal praise! Amen. 26 That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. 27 And the men, instead of having normal sexual relations with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men, and as a result of this sin, they suffered within themselves the penalty they deserved.
    28 Since they thought it foolish to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their foolish thinking and let them do things that should never be done. 29 Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, quarreling, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. 30 They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They invent new ways of sinning, and they disobey their parents. 31 They refuse to understand, break their promises, are heartless, and have no mercy. 32 They know God’s justice requires that those who do these things deserve to die, yet they do them anyway. Worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too.

    Jude 7 And don’t forget Sodom and Gomorrah and their neighboring towns, which were filled with immorality and every kind of sexual perversion. Those cities were destroyed by fire and serve as a warning of the eternal fire of God’s judgment.

    Ezekiel 16:49-50 “Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. They were haughty and did detestable things before me…”
    The Hebrew word translated “detestable” = something that’s extremely & morally disgusting to God. The same word is in Leviticus 18:22 that refers to homosexuality as an “abomination.” And again Jude 7, “…Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion.”
    Homosexuality was not the only sin in which the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah were guilty of, [the people were also fat, haughty, arrogant, totally self-absorbed & totally unconcerned about the welfare of others – sounds like today’s world?? PLUS, they were parading and pushing the homosexual agenda down people’s throats] so while it was not the “only” sin, yet it appears to be the main reason for the destruction of the cities.

    Your raining fire & brimstone picture is sobering!! The Lord LOVES these people! (who’re bound up in this self-serving sinful lifestyle) BUT HE STILL SAYS “NO” to it! He has not changed.

  10. Hi RJ

    Thank you so much for your very insightful and thorough lesson on the sin of homosexuality, but you are not listening. That was not the question. The question is “What sin is worse than homosexuality?” At any rate, we already know all the verses you quoted on the sin of homosexuality. So, what’s the point. Answer the question, please. Perhaps you should put aside another week to study the Word and hopefully to find the answer. The clue I gave you in the picture, is the figure who lagged behind when Lot ans his family escaped Sodom.

  11. Laurens le Roux says:

    Mag ek maar in Afrikaans praat. Baie dankie vir die uitdaging tot Skrifstudie. Ek sou sê die groter sonde is die van selfgeregtigheid. Dus: “Ek weet van beter”; “Ek doen my eie ding” Van die resultate van mense met sodanige ingesteldheid is dalk o.a. die volgende:
    Gen. 19:26 [Lot se vrou]
    Gen. 6 [ Ongehoorsame, selfgeregtige mense in Noag se tyd]
    Eseg. 3:18-21; 18:20-32; 33:11-20 [Lotsgevalle van selfgeregtige mense]
    Mat. 7:21-24 [sidderende waarskuwing tot selfgeregtige, “vroom” “christene” wat hulself op troontjies plaas]

  12. Helena says:

    There is no greater sin than willfully reject and deny the sacrifice Christ made on the cross for our sins. Hereby also rejecting the work of the Holy Spirt. MATTHEW 12 : 32 ” and whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven but whoever speaks against the Spirit, The Holy One, will not be forgiven, either in this world and age or in the world and age to come.”

    If you have knowledge of Christ’s Salvation message en you reject it, it is an unpardonable sin.

  13. Hallo Lourens. Jy het nie nodig om verskoning te maak vir jou Afrikaans nie. Jy is welkom om in Afrikaans te skryf. Jou antwoord is korrek, hoewel ek graag sou wou sien jy verwys na ‘n gedeelte of gedeeltes waarin Jesus spesifiek na Sodom en Gomorra vewys. Hier’s twee:

    En as iemand julle nie ontvang nie en na julle woorde nie luister nie, gaan uit daardie huis of daardie stad uit en skud die stof van julle voete af. Voorwaar Ek sê vir julle, dit sal vir die land van Sodom en Gomorra verdraagliker wees in die oordeelsdag as vir daardie stad. (Mattheus 10:14-15; 11:22-24).

    Baie dankie vir jou bydrae. Ons leef in ‘n tyd waarin mense nie meer na die gesonde leer van God se Evangelie wil luister nie. Hulle hou hulself besig met allerhande leringe wat ‘n ander Jesus en ‘n ander gees verkondig. Dis net so erg, indien nie erger nie, as sodomie.

  14. Hi Helena, Thank you for your comment.

    You are so right. However, I wanted a verse or verses where Jesus specifically mentions Sodom and Gomorrah. Here are two:

    Matthew 10:14-15 14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet. 15 Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.

    and

    Matthew 11:22-24 22 But I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the day of judgment, than for you. 23 And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted unto heaven, shalt be brought down to hell: for if the mighty works, which have been done in thee, had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day. 24 But I say unto you, That it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment, than for thee.

    One of the most strangest enigmas I can think of, is that anyone would want to reject the free gift of eternal salvation. Yet the majority of people don’t want eternal life. Jesus once said it is so easy to be forgiven, and still most people think they can do it on their own. So sad . . . .

  15. Helena says:

    Tom,

    It boils down ro unbelief…..? The greteat sin.
    “Now I desire to remind you, though you were once for all fully informed, that he who saved a people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe. And the angels that did not keep their own position but left their proper dwelling have been kept by him in eternal chains in the nether gloom until the judgment of the great day; just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise acted immorally and indulged in unnatural lust, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.” (Jude 3-7)

  16. Hi Helena,

    Do you think it is possible for an LGBT person to repent and be saved?

  17. Helena says:

    Tom,

    Yes a LGBT person will be saved if the sin is repented and the life style is changed. The holy Spirit alone can convict of sin and will also provide the Grace to change.

  18. Hi Helena,

    The reason why I asked is because you seem to equate sodomites with the sins of fallen angels, who, of course, cannot possibly be saved.

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