DISCIPLINE – Worldly vs Biblical


What springs to mind when you hear the word discipline ? To some it may conjure up thoughts of cruelty, uncivilized behaviour, lovelessness, and primitive brutality. If you are into psychology and especially child psychology these are the thoughts that will govern your mind.

And just to refresh your mind that psychology, of whatever strain, is diametrically opposed to God’s Word and his instructions, here are some quotes from the lips of a few leading psychologists.

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Papa Eli’s ancient child psychology and its result – breaking his neck when falling backward to his death from his stool.

The Shaman (witch doctor) . . . can be viewed as an early psychotherapist (Herbert Bensen, M.D. Harvard professor).

The basic model of man that led to the development of [Eastern] meditational techniques is the same model that led to humanistic psychotherapies (Lawrence leShan, past president of the “Association for Humanistic Psychology {AHP}).

The core of the problem, which psychological and psychiatric research has not resolved yet, and is unlikely to resolve, consists in a correct distinction between pathological behaviour of a psychic nature and demonic invasion (Eugenio Fizzoti, Professor: The Psychology of Religion, School of Education, Pontifical Salesian University, Rome).

It is indeed shocking that many, if not most forms of psychotherapy currently offered to consumers are not supported by credible scientific evidence. (R. Christopher Barden, psychologist, lawyer and president of the National Association for Consumer protection in mental Health Practices).

Psychiatry has been willing to sanctify its values with the holy water of medicine and offer them up as the true faith of Mental health. It is a false Messiah. (E. Fuller Torrey, Internationally respected psychiatrist).

I never could understand why 21st Century kids who demand to be called adults, whilst they usually act like little brats and do not have a clue what real adulthood requires, spurn biblical discipline. Is it because they want to follow a false Messiah? In an article that appeared in News24 on 24th August 2012, “LACK OF DISCIPLINE IN SCHOOLS” the author wrote:

Over the years since the so called “Corporal Punishment” had been abolished in all South African Schools, one has to agree that this was a BIG MISTAKE !!!!

We constantly hear how our Education System is failing our Learners and how our Teachers have to face each day the literal verbal abuse of  “TORTURE” that our Educators have to endure from the blatant DISRESPECT and ILL-DISCIPLINED manner in which the Learners dish out to them each day.

I am now referring to all HIGH SCHOOL students who seem to have this new found “ATTITUDE” when they reach the age of 16 years old and find themselves either in Grades 10-12.

There is no more RESPECT for the Teacher in the classrooms. Ask any Teacher in the profession and you will be amazed how they manage to continue to try and teach these UNRULY students. . .

We all know that it starts at HOME ! Then it filters into the school and then into Society! We all need to step up and take accountability for our personal actions, each and every single Student, Teacher, and Parent!

Do we want our homes, schools and society to DISINTEGRATE into a sad state of affairs where “NOBODY GIVES A DAMN” ????
Something has to be done…………….and the sooner the better!

What I have seen and heard from my own experience, learners in high school made a point of it, and actually still do, to distribute a telephone number among themselves, urging everyone to immediately report their parents whenever they discipline them with a belt. “If you even as much as touch me, I will report you to the authorities and accuse you of child abuse,” is what they usually threaten parents with.

Why? Because the little brats don’t regard it as discipline but as child abuse. To add insult to injury they run away from home and go around telling family and friends that their dad is a child abuser.

Wow! What springs to mind when a kid tells people that her daddy abused her and her little brother? The very first thing people, who are thus informed, think, is that daddy was a sexual predator who assaulted them sexually.

That’s the way people usually think who are inclined to shun biblical disciplinary methods, and prefer to rear their little brats with a false Messianic mental health medicine called psychiatry or psychology.


I am always amazed to see how Bible prophecies are being fulfilled literally, before our very eyes every single day of our lives. One of these prophecies relates to children.

This know also, that in the last day’s perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves [Photoshop-photo-manipulators], covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. (2 Timothy 3:1-7)

All children are disobedient to their parents. None of us are innocent of disobedience in the course of our adolescent years. However, it is how kids respond to discipline that determines their destination in life and in the hereafter.

And, in case you may think you are more astute than the wisest person who ever lived (King Solomon), it is incumbent upon you to believe at face value what he said here:

Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die. Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell. (Proverbs 23:13-14).

Walfoord and Zuck explains the above verse as follows:

The 11th saying. Children need discipline, both verbal and physical; cf. 1:2, 7) Physical punishment (by the rod or a stick; cf 13:24; 22: 15; 29: 15) is approved in the Bible, though “rod” may also be used figuratively for any form of discipline. The pain caused by spankings may make the parent and the child think the child will die, but that is not so. The punishment will actually deliver him from physical death.”

How can physical disciplinary methods like beating with a rod (or belt) save a child from the grave? The answer lies in Ephesians 6.

Honour thy father and mother; (which is the first commandment with promise;) That it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth. (Ephesians 6:2-3).

In other words, kids who refuse to be disciplined when it is necessary and rebelliously shun God’s command to spank them when they deserve it, are shortening their own lives.

However, some undisciplined, rebellious and unruly kids cannot wait to get in hell quick enough so that they may thank Satan for his hellish training on how to disobey their parents when they warned them not to join a W.O.F. church, and defiantly became a member of such a church because that was, so they think, the most honorable way to show their parents how much they loved them.

In fact, no matter what kind of warning the parents issue, including God’s will and purpose with regard to marriage, they see it as an unloving gesture, whilst their own disobedience becomes to them the proof of their love for their parents. You must be kidding me.

This is what inevitably happens when you shun biblical discipline; your view of true love becomes horrendously warped and perverted. The parents biblical discipline is, to them, the unloving thing whilst their own disobedience is the epitome of love. You must be kidding me.

That is why they can so easily go around and with a sweet tone of voice say to someone, “Love you,” and immediately thereafter say the most despicable things about you that not even the sea can wash you clean.


The rod and reproof give wisdom: but a child left to himself bringeth his mother to shame. (Proverbs 29:15)

I believe that a child should either be disciplined by the father or the mother, depending on to whom the child is disobedient. The mother should never interfere or show partiality to the child when the father does the disciplining because that usually labels the father as the bogey man, the villain, the guilty one and is often ignominiously called Satan, and fosters hatred in the child’s heart. You often hear the mother saying to the children, “I’m going to tell your father when he comes home from work, and you know what is going to happen then.”

Barnes interprets Proverbs 29:15 as follows:

The mother who yields weakly is as guilty of abandoning the child she spoils, as if she cast him forth; and for her evil neglect, there shall fall upon her the righteous punishment of shame and ignominy.

Therefore, a mother who continually and surreptitiously “protects” the child against the father’s discipline, giving the impression that he, and not the child is in the wrong, either by means of her words or her body language, will reap the fruit of shame and humiliation. According to the Bible, it would have been better for her to have abandoned her children instead of having to neglect their biblical discipline.


It is a proven fact that the New World Order change agents are working overtime to undermine parental control based on biblical standards. In her Borderfire Report under the title THE UNITED NATIONS: OUR CHILDREN’S NEW PARENTS, Dana Gabriel wrote:

Through its various agencies and treaties, the United Nations seeks to undermine individual, as well as national sovereignty. It has been almost 15 years since President Clinton signed on to the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (UNCRC). The U.S. remains one of the last holdouts as the treaty lies dormant, yet to be ratified. The U.N.C.R.C grants children new civil, social, cultural and economic rights that could override parental decisions. Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.), is pushing for a vote as there is a real sense that under an Obama presidency, the U.N.C.R.C could finally be ratified

If the UNCRC is ratified, parents could be prohibited from home schooling and spanking their children. It undermines parental authority and gives more power to the state to further dictate how children are raised. It grants children dangerous new rights thus encouraging more rebellious behavior. The truth is that in many cases, children do not have the wisdom and maturity to make sound decisions. The treaty also gives children the mechanism by which they could dispute any parental judgment. The UNCRC transfers more parental authority to the state while granting children radical new rights.

Under the UNCRC, an 18-member committee has been established to review children’s rights and any other disputes that might arise. In many cases, we are already bound by international treaties and the UNCRC gives unaccountable UN bureaucrats the power to make decisions concerning our children’s well-being. Parents are being demoted to simple caregivers, while the state assumes the role of the prime authoritative figure. The UNCRC is an assault on parental authority and is essentially a blank check for governmental interference in family matters. It is meant to further promote child autonomy and freedom from parental guidance.

For more info on the banning of corporal punishment in South Africa, please read this article.

There is more behind the world-wide anti-God/Antichrist thrust to undermine family life and especially Christian homes. Satan himself is animating children to open rebellion, not only against their parents but against God himself. Our children are losing their souls to Satan. May God have mercy on their pitiful souls before it is too late.

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Tom Lessing (Discerning the World)

Tom Lessing is the author of the above article. Discerning the World is an internet Christian Ministry based in Johannesburg South Africa. Tom Lessing and Deborah Ellish both own Discerning the World. For more information see the About this Website page below the comments section.

3 Responses

  1. SheepDog says:

    I couldn’t agree more! I work in school and see this firsthand. I don’t have kids so I am spared that end of it. I know the devil is undermining the upbringing and discipline of kids in all areas, spurring them on to rebellion, you see it everywhere from the shows they watch, the music they hear, the psychology of the day, the laws, etc. I live in the US and it is bad everywhere nowadays. Interesting to hear how it is over there too.

    They made it ‘illegal’ to spank your own kid, the biblical discipline that God calls for so that we don’t spoil the child (spare the rod, spoil the child).

    In schools too they outlawed corporal punishment, and it’s been hell on teachers ever since. Most teachers leave as a result after they see the reality they are in for. And the districts like it that way since teachers don’t move up on the payscale if there is high turnover. I found this all out the hard way too. There is no support from administration. You are just locked in a cage with the animals, if you want to keep your paycheck you just ‘deal with it’ yourself.

    Yes, it is psychological, emotional and verbal abuse and torture (and it can get physical), you are subject to bullying, threats, insults of every sort, harrassment, profanity, accusations, slander and gossip and cyber-bullying. If you dare even look their way they accuse you of ‘laying a hand on them,’ and some kind of physical abuse (which would actually be the discipline they would desperately need). They have the laws down pat and threaten to use them against you. They expect lady teachers to ‘stop fights’ between teenage males larger than they are, but if you stop one from hurting another by physically intervening, you are ‘physically abusing and harming’ them! The poor spoiled bratty little darlings!

    To top of all of that, the teacher is expected to be a miracle worker and like that fairytale, produce gold from the mire! They are expected to get the scores on tests up to a certain level, but the kids don’t want to learn and no one can make them try or stop the disruptive behavior because there is no discipline at all to be administered in the school system! And even for those who want to learn, they make the material so hard with common core (purposefully confusing them), that even those blessed with a brain are frustrated and the rest are totally in revolt. Add to that the endless meetings or ‘professional development,’ the other destabilization tactics to demoralize teachers, the lack of gratitude and appreciation for teachers, and the attitude that ‘it’s all the teacher’s fault’ when something goes wrong and yeah, it’s a hellhole! They have these meetings because someone dared accuse Johnny of wrongdoing and it’s basically the teacher against the world; principal and admin take parents side along with their Johnny who can do no wrong while he gets away with murder. It’s all about pleasing the ‘customer’ now, the students and the parents, at the expense of the teachers. Teachers have become target practice basically. Yes, the devil is behind that one too. Districts get money per student attendance and it has become somewhat of a district competition. Then there are the pop psychology junk books out there to add to it all. I have the privilege of traveling around classrooms after hours and poke around. I saw in the chicken soup for the teacher’s soul book a story that was nuts (just more indoctrination and propaganda) where there was a teacher who disciplined a male student for bullying another shy female student who had been brought to tears. Then when alone with the male bully, the bully began to cry too (a good thing here, it shows change and remorse) and because of this, the wimpy (male) teacher apologizes to the bully for disciplining him because he was crying! Have they all lost their minds?! It was okay for the victim to cry? But God forbid the bully for his bad deeds? He had been ‘shamed’ for it, well GOOD! He needs to be shamed for it because he needs to be ashamed for it! But this shows how backwards their psychological solutions are and why society is an utter and total mess! They claim man is basically good (now even divine according to false religion) when man is sinful in nature. They stroke his ego and shun discipline and he is reared into a beast. That is why society is so wicked now. Nothing but rude, defiant, sassy, disrespectful, selfish, violent, arrogant, narcissistic spiteful, malicious, sadistical, hateful, obstinate, contemptuous brats… and those are just the students in the classrooms, good luck in traffic!

    Great post!

  2. Sheepdog says:

    Hi again,

    By the way, I work in the school setting and am seeing something interesting across the landscape.
    Interesting, meaning bad. They are propping up all these idols of the new world order and one world religion.
    Characters like Ghandi, Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., Nelson Mandela, John Lennon, Malala, Oprah, and a host of other
    types with a false gospel of false peace and false solutions. They seem to be pushing that activist, socialist utopia, world peace, secular humanism, yoga, divinity, pantheism, environmentalism, oneness, false tolerance, unity, and all the false humanism and utopia solutions that will come under antichrist. They are indoctrinating them into that mindset. They have yoga in some schools now and are pushing curriculum where they are supposed to imagine how they can save the world and that sort of thing. Well, Christians know that we can’t save the world. Only Jesus will do that at His return, and we know He is our only hope. We can’t pretend to have another solution, or that someone other than the Lord does. The believers brainwashed by the apostasy have already been inducted into the heresy of dominionism and preterism, so they are well groomed to embrace antichrist’s kingdom, thinking it is them bringing in the kingdom, the height of arrogance because we can’t save ourselves, individual soul or the whole world being restored, only Jesus can and will do that. When we turn to Him, He saves us, and He will return to set up His kingdom for those who are His.

    Anyway, just letting anyone know who has kids in public school nowadays.
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  3. Sheepdog,

    Thank you for your very insightful comment. It proves that our children are being brainwashed. Some of them are saved.

    And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea. (Mar 9:42)

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