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Rebecca Brown – WARNING! Don’t Bind Yourself in her Books

Rebecca Brown

Rebecca Brown’s false teaching:  WARNING!

I contacted Rebecca Brown’s publishing company a few times asking for permission to quote from their book, but I received no reply. That is fine, I wont quote I will never the less write about what she believes and give page numbers so that people can refer back to her book.

1) Shield of protection, shield of faith, and pleading the blood of Jesus:

Throughout the book Rebecca Brown tells you that you need to pray for protection by shielding yourself with a shield of protection (pg. 4). There is no such thing.   She also claims the shield of faith over other people (pg. 19).  This is not possible.  You see, part of the armour of God is the shield of faith.  You are to put on the whole armour of God, you don’t need to pray for individual pieces of armour to protect you and you can’t pray the armour of God over other people.  Putting on the armour of God is something you do personally with God’s help:  gird your waist with truth, put on breastplate of righteousness, shod your feet with preparation of the gospel of Jesus Christ, put on the shield of faith which quenches attacks from Satan, the helmet of salvation, by believing that Jesus Christ died for your sins and rose again, and finally the sword of the spirit which is the Word of God.  You apply these pieces of armour daily, you arm yourself by obeying God’s commandments and in doing so guard yourself against any attack from Satan.

Ephesians 6:10-18 

The Whole Armor of God

10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord and in the power of His might. 11 Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. 12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places. 13 Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

14 Stand therefore, having girded your waist with truth, having put on the breastplate of righteousness, 15 and having shod your feet with the preparation of the gospel of peace;16 above all, taking the shield of faith with which you will be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked one. 17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God; 18 praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, being watchful to this end with all perseverance and supplication for all the saints—

She also pleads the blood of Jesus over herself and others and inanimate objects (pg. 17)  Please article see here about Pleading the Blood of Jesus Is it Right or Wrong?

2) Reveal diagnoses: (pgs. 12, pg 19)

God gave Rebecca Brown ‘discernment’ in deciding which patients were demonically afflicted or just plain sick. She uses the following verses to back up her beliefs.

Luke 10:9 “And heal the sick that are therein, and say unto them, The kingdom of God is come nigh unto you.”

Mark 16:17  “And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;”

These verses are speaking to the Apostles, and the disciples of Jesus who had power to perform miracles.  Jesus Christ gave the Apostles their power to do great things as a sign to confirm that He rose from the dead.  Believers in Jesus Christ who went out and preached the gospel of Jesus Christ could perform miracles as well.  It was the ‘sign of an apostle’ to do signs and wonders.

2 Corinthians 12:12:  “Truly the signs of an apostle were wrought among you in all patience, in signs, and wonders, and mighty deeds.”

God chose certain people to witnessed Jesus ascend into heaven, among these were the Apostles had the power to heal the sick, cast out demons, tread on serpents and scorpions and speak in tongues, etc.

Acts 10:40-43  “40 Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly; 41 Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before of God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead. 42 And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead. 43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.”

Only Jesus who is God was capable of doing miracles and any who believed in Him had the power to perform miracles, once the bible had been written the ‘sign of the apostle’ ceased.  Today we seek Jesus Christ by faith and faith alone because He wants us to believe in Him through faith alone not by seeing miracles.

John 20:29  “Jesus said unto him, Thomas, because you have seen me, you have believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.” and

1 Peter 1:8  “Whom having not seen, you love; in whom, though now you see him not, yet believing, you rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory:”

Anyone who says they have power to heal, raise the dead, etc., are denying Jesus Christ’s power and replacing it with man-made power, i.e, satanic power.

If we need a miracle we pray directly to Jesus Christ for our healing, deliverance etc.

3) God’s lack of power:

Rebecca Brown’s ‘Lord’ reveled to her that the only way he could get a message through to her one night, was because of the prayer of other people.  (pg. 23) Apparently her god is not strong enough to get a message through to someone himself and needs mankind’s help.’

4) Satanic sales:

Elaine states in He Came to Set the Captives free, when you drink blood in a satanic ritual you immediately become possessed (this I could understand to be true if you are an unbeliever) however the book implies that when this happens it appears you lose your free will to choose.  (pg. 25)  This is unbiblical.  See below section 12) Unbinding someone where I go into this in more detail.

5) Demonic manifestations:  pgs. 39, 40, 43

Elaine says that a demon manifested itself to her in physical form.  This is not the movies Rebecca, demons can not take on a human physical form of their own.  They can possess human yes, and they can appear to you in a spiritual demonic form, but what Elaine is saying is that a demon appeared in a physical form (human form) with glowing eyes and you could touch the demons body as if it were human flesh and blood.  This is not true at all.   On (pg. 43) a demon appears before Elaine in a cloud of sulfuric smoke? Seriously?  On (pg. 43) she says that as she grew in mastering magic she got to the point where she could see and talk to demonic entities without them having to take on their physical form.  I would have thought that would be the other way around?  First you communicate with the ones you can’t see and as you become more skilled in your witchcraft they presented themselves to you in physical form?  Oh what-everrrr, it is such a load of nonsense.

6) Martial arts training:  

Elaine says she was trained in Karate, Judo and Kung Fu.  The reason was to become a guard or assassin (pg. 42, 43).  Now I need to ask this question, why are they training in martial arts when they supposedly are highly trained in magical arts? And so evil and dangerous. Surely spells are far more efficient than an assassin with a ninja star? Hmm, makes you think does it not.

7) Spirit Bodies: chapter 14

In the book He came to set the captives free Rebecca Brown give instructions telling us that we must put on the whole armour of God.  Now this is biblical, what makes theirs unbilbical is that they want you to literally clothe your ‘spirit body’ which according to Rebecca Brown is the same as your physical body.  She quotes:

1 Corinthians 15:44 “It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. “

But what does this verse really mean?  Here Paul is speaking about the resurrected body, not some strange spirit body that we are supposed to have. If you quote the whole of 1 Corinthians 15:44 in context you get the real answer.

I Corinthians 15:42-44  “42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: 43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: 44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

Rebecca in her unscriptural beliefs (Watchman Nee propagates this occult spirit body idea as well) goes on to say that this spirit body that we have has a mind and will of it’s own. She uses 1 Corinthians 1:44 to state that our spirits have a form/shape corresponding to our physical body.  She says that not many people know this, only satanists know.  One would think that if this was biblical it would be in the bible and most people would know about it.

Rebecca tried to validate this teaching even more by quoting  2 Corinthians 12:2-4 and Revelation 4: 1-2 to show that when our spirit body is separated from you physical body, your spirit body can experience things that your physical body can’t feel.

 2 Corinthians 12:2-4  “2I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven. 3And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) 4How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.”

Revelation 4: 1-2  “1After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. 2And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.”

If you read the scriptures Rebecca quoted carefully, you will notice that she is using the scripture about Paul when he was raptured into heaven.  The verses state that while Paul’s soul or spirit may have or may not have left his body (read the above verse) Paul was clearly aware of what happened to him and what he saw.  Rebecca says otherwise, she says your spirit body can act independently without the person even knowing.  What is even more shocking is that the spirit body can be used by Satan without the persons knowledge (pg. 177).  Once again Rebecca alludes to the fact that we don’t have free-will.

When Paul stated the following:

1 Corinthians 5:1-4  ” 1 It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father’s wife. 2 And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you. 3 For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed, 4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,”

Paul was using a metaphor.  It’s not to be taken literally.  Have you never heard of people saying, “I am there with you in the spirit”, or “I won’t be there in body but I will be there in spirit”.  Paul was not astral projecting himself to the Corinthian church while on the other side of the world where his body stood.   This whole idea of a spirit body is demonic and totally unbibical.

In the book He came to set the captives free, Elaine says she received this new revelation about ‘the spirit body’ from an angel that visited her.  Elaine spent 2 hours conversing with this angel. (pg. 126)  Because we now know that the spirit body is not biblical and of the devil is it safe to say that the angel that visited Elaine was nothing but an Angel of Light

2 Corinthians 11:14  “And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.”

8) Standing in the Gap

Rebecca Brown states that one can ‘stand in the gap’ for other people, entire hospitals and cities for that matter (pg. 10).  She says you can ‘stand in the gap’ with your spirit body and get yourself spiritually beaten to a pulp while we take the blows intended for others.  It’s like you are being a ‘spiritual’ body guard for someone and the demons have to get past you first before they can get to the other person.  And to top things off you wont be able to make it to church because you will just be too sick to show up (pg. 178, 179).

But do note that you will rarely even notice that you are ‘standing in the gap’ according to Rebecca Brown because God has control over our spirit bodies (pg. 180).  In the spirit realm your spirit body will fight, like, imagine you are inside a computer game, you vs the monsters, and they will beat you up or throw stones at you as you battle on the ‘spiritual war fields’ of never never land on behalf of other people (pg. 187).  She says that this is what it means to bear another’s burdens.  Really?  What a load of nonsense.  What this sounds like to me is Rebecca trying to take on the job that Jesus Christ did for us on the cross.  He was wounded, bruised and beaten for us and He took our burdens on the cross.

Isaiah 53:5  “But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.”

When Paul told the Galatians to bear one another’s burden he was speaking about restoring a Christian brother who was at fault or backslidden.  Not jump into the spiritual world and take a demonic beating.

Galatians 6:1-2   “1 Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.  2 Bear ye one another’s burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.”

In Ezekiel 22:30-31. it says

 “30And I sought for a man among them, that should make up the hedge, and stand in the gap before me for the land, that I should not destroy it: but I found none. 31Therefore have I poured out mine indignation upon them; I have consumed them with the fire of my wrath: their own way have I recompensed upon their heads, saith the Lord GOD. “

This verse merely states that God was going to destroy the land because He could find no one to ‘stand in the grap’ for it, in other words, God could find no one to pray.  Rebecca also tries to tell us that Moses stood in the gap for the Israel, but what Rebecca fails to tell you is that all Moses did was pray, this is what standing in the gap means, he did not head for a spiritual realm with his spirit body and get beaten up by demons on behalf of Israel.

Stand in the Gap

The CALL – Washington DC

Freemasons this includes Promise Keepers also represent ‘stand in the gap’ as a Masonic phallic tower / obelisk. Lou Engle a prominent Apostle within C. Peter Wagner’s New Apostolic reformation made an urgent call to the nation and gathered 400,000 of youth in Washington DC in 2000 around an Obelisk. He called his movement The Call.

He said, “God is looking for intercessors. That’s not just a fancy word to replace “prayer.” It is a high calling–some say the supreme vocation.There is a small piece of real estate that exists in between God and His rebellious creation, and it’s called “the gap.” You are called to stand there. You were made to stand there.”  [Emphasis added]  — http://www.elijahlist.com/words/display_word/6044

Biblically speaking no one can stand between between God and the sinner to prevent God’s anger and punishment to be metered out on the sinner. You can pray yes, but to think there is some realm of space where you can stand in the gap on behalf of someone is occult thinking. After the Israelite’s made a golden calf to worship it, Moses pleaded with God that if God would not forgive Israel’s sin he asked God to blot out his name fro the book of life, God replied and said no, he would not do that, he would remove the sinners name from the book instead.

Exodus 32:31-33   “3 1And Moses returned unto the LORD, and said, Oh, this people have sinned a great sin, and have made them gods of gold. 32 Yet now, if thou wilt forgive their sin–; and if not, blot me, I pray thee, out of thy book which thou hast written” 33 And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.

9) Angels and the covenant

An angel appears to Elaine;  this angel was rather vicious in that it came to kill Elaine.  The reason it wanted to kill her was because Elaine did not enter into some kind of covenant with God to protect her from future attacks from Satanists.  Elaine was apparently rebellious with God, that is why she did not want to enter this covenant.  She thought she could go it alone, fight off the Satanists with her own power. She didn’t need God’s help, oh no, never.  She was so sure of herself that in the book she states that she was ready to ‘punch’ the angel right out for coming to see her and try kill her.  Rebecca Brown interceded and asked God to give her the punishment meant for Elaine instead.  God apparently heard her prayer and His wrath was diverted to Rebecca.  The angel then left.

What is wrong with this account?  So much.  No where in the bible is there any scripture where God meters out His wrath on His children.  Secondly, no where does God take out His wrath on a child of God in place of someone else.  Thirdly no where in the bible does God ask you to make another covenant with him – When you become born again you are automatically covered by the New Covenant, covered by the Blood of Jesus.   Fourth, no where in the bible does God destroy or send an angel to kill His children because they did not listen to him.  This angel, if it ever existed and not a figment of Elaine and Rebecca’s imagination is Satan in disguise.

10) So many covenants

In the book Prepare for War, Rebecca states that when we get saved Jesus makes a covenant with each and every one of us, a special plan for each and every one of us she says (pg. 127).  She also states that she has entered into many different covenants with God, one in particular she was indecisive about because it required serious personal sacrifice and hardship. She believed that if she entered into this covenant and she broke the covenant by not being able to keep it she would lose her salvation (pg. 32).  This is unbiblical, there is one covenant. We do not all have separate covenants and we don’t enter into more than one covenant.  Jesus Christ sacrifice on the cross ushered in a New Covenant that replaced the Old.  We have individual relationships with Jesus, through one covenant, the New Covenant.   We need to remember that whatever promises we make to God, if we fail to keep them we will be sinning.  Jesus warned us about taking oaths, pledges, promises, in fact God forbids it because He knows mankind is sinful and will not keep their promises.

Matthew 5:34-37  “34But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God’s throne: 35Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King. 36Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black. 37But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.”

If however Rebecca entered into a promise with God and she could not live up to the promise, Rebecca would not lose her salvation, because God grace gives room for repentance of sin.  Rebecca infers that breaking a covenant as an unpardonable sin.  Rebecca is placing a tremendous burden on the reader, that if they were to make a covenant with God and not keep it they would lose their salvation, this is unbiblical and of the devil.

11) No security

Rebecca Brown does not believe in Eternal Security, she says that God will give salvation to those who make it to the end and God will makes no promises to give salvation and eternal life to those who don’t make it till the end. (pg. 191)  Rebecca’s theology here is very confusing, she views salvation and eternal life as two separate issues.  According to her, you get saved, then have to endure till the end to get eternal life.  This is not biblical.  Once you are truly born again you are sealed by the Holy Spirit and destined for Eternal life.  You can’t become unsaved because when the Holy Spirit enters you he stays permanently, making a deposit on your soul. Those who do not endure to the end are never truly saved to start off with.

See all articles on Eternal Security.

12) Unbinding someone

Rebecca has a very interesting view point on how people get saved.  She says that you need to rebuke and bind the demonic forces causing spiritual blindness in someone and once you have bound these demons, they flee and the person is able to accept the gospel (pg. 150).

No where in the bible does anyone do this, no where in the bible are we told to do this.  In fact if it were just demons holding people back from being saved and not their free-will to choose the world (Satan) or Jesus Christ, I think the disciples would have had a tremendous amount of success converting people to Jesus Christ.  They could have just stood on a hill and bound all the demons in everyone present and once the demons stopped binding the peoples mind, everyone would listen to the gospel of Jesus Christ being preached and all would get saved.  No problem, or should be say big problem.  This doctrine of Rebecca Browns is very similar to Calvinism in that she implies that you do not have free will, everyone is bound by evil and needs to be ‘regenerated’ (unbound of demonic forces) so that they can hear the gospel and make the right decision and come to Jesus.  No, this is wrong, we have free will to choose good over evil, having said that demons can as such oppress / afflict someone to influence their thinking, but to keep a person from hearing the gospel and accepting Jesus is unbiblical.

Demon possessed Christians

Rebecca-Brown-Prepare-for-War-Christians-Possessed

Rebecca Brown, Prepare for War (Chino, CA; Chick Publications, 1987) pg 27

Rebecca Brown states in Prepare for War that Christians can be demon possessed. (pg 29)  She sites the following verses to substantiate her claims:

1 Corinthians 9: 27   “But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway. “

Ecclesiastes 10:8.  “He that diggeth a pit shall fall into it; and whoso breaketh an hedge, a serpent shall bite him.”

Neither of these verses remotely imply that a Christian can be demon possessed.  The first one is about Paul possibly failing and thinking that he should be cast away, the second is about Solomon not breaking the hedge where serpents lie.  This is a metaphor warning that one should not enter carelessly where there is danger.  Rebecca lies when she quotes these two scriptures saying that they are about Christian being demon possessed.  She can’t find biblical poof for her point yet she continues to write about it and proclaim it to be true.

A Christian can’t be demon ‘possessed’ in the same sense that and unbeliever can be possessed.  A Christian can be demonically oppressed/afflicted after they are born again and need deliverance.

Rebecca believes also that Christians need regular deliverance in order to remove ongoing affliction in their lives.  This is again not true.

When a Christian sins, this opens the door for affliction, all one has to do is ask Jesus Christ wholeheartedly for forgiveness and obey God’s commandments and not sin again.  When you do not listen to the Holy Spirit’s warning in your life and you go directly against God’s commandments you move away from Jesus Christ, your relationship becomes weaker.  Sin drives a wedge between you an Jesus. Forgiveness brings you back to God through Jesus Christ His only Son.

13) The fruit

Rebecca Browns main area is the so called deliverance ministry of thousands upon thousands of Satanists. She pushes across the idea that because she delivers people from the clutches of Satan that her ministry must be producing good fruit, and therefor it is Godly.  However in the bible there is good fruit and there is bad fruit.  Bad fruit looks good on the outside but inside it’s rotten.  Jehovah’s witnesses, Mormons and Seventh Day Adventists also deliver people out of the occult, help people get off drugs and alcohol and then direct them directly into the false teaching of their churches.  The false teachers and their ministries are good at doing just that, they provide a service of so called good fruit and capture the individual into the teachings of their ministry and grab hold of their souls leading them strait in the direction of hell.

Rebecca might be very sincere in her endeavors but she is sincerely wrong.  And that has been proven through her false teaching in her book.  1 Corinthians 4:6 says that you are “not to go beyond what is written,” Rebecca does this over and over, and that is the mark of a false teacher.

1 Corinthians 4:6  “And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another.”

14) Rebecca Brown in South Africa

I heard some very horrifying news yesterday that Rebecca Brown is in South Africa right at this very moment at the Cornwall Hill College, Irene, Centurion.  She was invited by Yvonne Kruger from Prophetic End Time Ministry / 24-28 March 2010.

Rebecca Brown - SA Conference 2010

 Some basic, SHOCKING facts about Rebecca Brown:

  1. Real name: Ruth Bailey.
  2. Lived in small town Indiana.
  3. She WAS a medical doctor who had her license revoked in 1984 due to serious malpractice.
  4. That means she uses the title of Dr. to mislead people only.
  5. The licensing board ruled that on numerous occasions she had “knowingly and intentionally misdiagnosed her patients”, blaming their illnesses on “demons, devils, and evil spirits.”  Also prescribing illegal dosages of drugs to her patients.
  6. She befriended a woman by the name of Elaine (Edna Elaine Moses) who claimed to be the bride of Satan.
  7. Elaine was so influential in her satanic bride status, that she alone used to negotiate all weapons sales to heads of state around the world.  Yeah right.
  8. Rebecca helped Elaine escape from the cult called ‘The Brotherhood’.
  9. Rebecca Brown and Elaine slept in the same bed since the day the met – to cover up a lesbian relationship Rebecca brown ‘adopted’ middle-aged Elaine so as to take on Rebecca’s surname.
  10. Elaine admitted by her own mouth that she is a murderess before and after the fact. She admits to ordering twenty murders, and admits to ordering the murder of a man but her plans were foiled when the police found him unconscious at a Satanic meeting.  There was never police investigation, because this is just another fable in Rebecca Browns books.
  11. She and Elaine delivered over 1000 hard-core satanists from satanism in the short time of 2 years – in her small town, only.
  12. Rebecca brown said that in entereting the spirit world; “I saw Jesus get up from His throne and He came down to minister to demons who were being tormented by angels because He felt sorry for them.”
  13. She made a covenant with God that included the condition that she would eventually lay her life down for God in that small town in Indiana.  That was in the 1980’s.  We are still waiting.
  14. She then met Daniel Michael Yoder from Phoenix, Arizona.  They were married on the 10th December 1989.
  15. Rebecca Brown writes in her book Unbroken Curses that Daniel Yoder was born into “a very wealthy Jewish family of international bankers”.
  16. When he was 6 years old he was sent by his parents to a boarding school in Switzerland.  There he endured child abuse and satanic torture, by Cabalist Rabbi’s who once locked him in a tiny chamber and poured spiders over him.
  17. He remained at this school until the age of 19.  Alive.
  18. Rebecca Brown tells in her book that Daniel Yoder inherited the fortunes of the family business and,
  19. He was forced at the age of 30 to marry a woman by the name of Kai who later found ‘Jesus’.
  20. She was captured by Daniel’s family and forced to deny Christ otherwise they would kill her.
  21. Then they were both abducted, flown to Israel where Daniel Yoder was chained to a wall and forced to watch his beloved Kai tortured to death.
  22. Daniel Yoder miraculously escaped to the USA, hid in a mountain cabin and read Kai’s bible (he must have gone back to Switzerland to fetch it) for a year and found ‘Jesus’ too.
  23. Rebecca Brown then met Daniel Yoder, married on the December 10, 1989 and moved to Iowa.
  24. In Iowa, Daniel Yoder passed himself off as a Neurosurgeon.
  25. They later moved and Daniel Yoder associated himself with the Wells of Living Grace Church.
  26. Daniel Yoder had 2 other names by which he went by (with different social security numbers and dates of birth):
    1. William Joseph Stewart
    2. Tony Michael Griffin
  27. Daniel Yoder was arrested 29 July 1991, charged with:
    1. Falsifying motor vehicle registrations,
    2. Falsifying driver’s licenses, and
    3. Falsifying Social Security records – taking on the name of a deceased man for himself.
  28. 2 months later he was indicted on two counts of perjury.
    1. He lied about time served in Minnesota and Missouri and
    2. He lied being admitted to receiving “psychological evaluations, counselling, or hospitalisations.”
  29. During court trials is was established that he had only completed 7 years of schooling.
  30. Daniel Yoder was fined by the court.  He complied.
  31. Rebecca Brown and Daniel Yoder left Iowa where Brown resumed writing her demonic books.
  32. They both currently lead a Christian group called Harvest Warriors.
  33. Rebecca Brown has been widely recognised as a fraud, and her books a hoax.
  34. Rebecca Brown’s books are nothing but demonic horror stories fabricated by a twisted mind.

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From wikipedia:

Rebecca Julia Brown, M.D. (born Ruth Irene Bailey in Shelbyville, Indiana on May 21, 1948) is a controversial Christian doctor best known for her claims of having helped people escape the occult in Indiana and various locations. Brown later had her medical license revoked for improper diagnosis and over medication of patients. She is known for her series of books and other publications about Satanism. According to Brown, there are Satanic recruitment camps throughout the world which train future Satanists and Witches.

Brown married Daniel Michael Yoder on December 10, 1989 and currently leads a Christian group called Harvest Warriors with her husband.

Books

In the mid 1980s, Rebecca Brown and her then roommate Elaine went with their claims to Jack Chick, owner of Chick Publications, who published their claims in two cassette tapes Closet Witches 1 and Closet Witches 2 and in two books He Came To Set The Captives Free (1986) and Prepare for War (1987). Rebecca Brown’s stories were the basis for the Chick tract The Poor Little Witch, which portrayed witches recruiting school children into Satanism and infiltrating Christian churches in order to buy off ministers with bribes.

Also among the two women’s claims were that Yoga is Satanic, Roman Catholicism is Witchcraft, that Satanists work very closely with the Freemasons and the Roman Catholic Church, that Dungeons & Dragons and other role-playing games are Satanic, and that speaking in tongues and divine healing cannot always be trusted.

Chick and Brown later decided to end their business relationship. Jack Chick still defends Rebecca Brown and believes her books are truthful. Some Christians have claimed to have been helped by these books, although there are also many who doubt the validity of them. Brown’s books were reprinted in 1992 by Whitaker House, which continues to print and distribute them to this day.

Her other books are “Prepare for War”, Standing On The Rock, Becoming A Vessel of Honor, and Unbroken Curses; the latter which argues among other things that American Indian reservations are cursed ground, and that violence in the modern African American community stems from inherited family curses originating with African tribal warfare.

Elaine

An important associate of Brown’s was a reputed ex-Satanist known as Elaine, who is described in Brown’s book, He Came to Set the Captives Free, as having left Satanism and converted to Christianity. She claimed to have been a Satanic High Priestess and to have been involved in a marriage ceremony with Satan. Her surname is not mentioned in any of Rebecca Brown’s books, but she is the source of many of Rebecca Brown’s claims.

Elaine’s real identity was revealed as Edna Elaine Moses (née Knost), a mentally unstable woman from New Castle, IN who met Brown during her residency at Ball Memorial Hospital in 1980. In contrast to Elaine’s claims of being in a cult for over 17 years and traveling abroad, various public records directly contradicted this. Court records show a marriage in 1967, which ended 2 1/2 months later when her husband could no longer tolerate her strange delusions. Interviews with her family and other records such as taxes and voter registration show that she lived with her parents the rest of the time and never left the state.

Elaine and Rebecca were roommates at the time her first two books were published, and also lived with Elaine’s developmentally challenged daughter, Claudia. Elaine was identified in legal documents when Brown’s license was revoked, following an incident in which Elaine arrived at a hospital covered in bruises and with near-lethal levels of Demerol in her system, which had been administered to her by Rebecca.

They eventually went their separate ways, and Elaine died Feb. 19, 2005.

Controversies

Perhaps the biggest controversy surrounding Rebecca Brown’s books are her claims about the existence of large, Satanic covens in America performing various evil works, rituals and sacrifices and the teaching in her books that born-again Christians can be inhabited (not possessed) by demons.

In 1984, Brown’s medical license was revoked by the issuing state of Indiana. The licensing board ruled that on numerous occasions she had “knowingly and intentionally misdiagnosed her patients”, blaming their illnesses on “demons, devils, and evil spirits.” A board-appointed psychiatrist diagnosed her as suffering from “acute personality disorders including demonic delusions and/or paranoid schizophrenia” and observed her injecting herself with unknown substances. The board also found that she had over-medicated her patients and administered improper treatments, as well as failed to properly document their treatment.

The 1984 medical board findings from the state of Indiana identified Elaine as Edna Elaine Moses (aka Elaine Moses, aka Elaine Bailey), one of Brown’s patients, and charged that Brown had misdiagnosed her with leukaemia and inappropriately treated her with large doses of Demerol and Phenobarbital. Elaine had to be hospitalized for detoxification of the controlled substances Brown had given her.

Brown’s husband, Daniel Yoder, was arrested on July 29, 1991 in Phoenix, Arizona and extradited to Iowa. Yoder was charged with falsifying motor vehicle registrations and driver’s licenses, and falsifying social security records, allegedly using the social security number of a dead man. During the court proceedings the prosecution amended court documents to include the defendant’s true and correct name of William Joseph Stewart. After initially pleading not guilty, Yoder eventually agreed to a plea bargain in which he plead guilty and was fined $1,976.92, plus a surcharge of $593.08 and court costs.

Her books, He Came to Set the Captives Free and Prepare for War were investigated by Personal Freedom Outreach, a counter-cult Christian organization that has outlets in several major cities like St. Louis and Chicago. PFO concluded both Elaine and Dr. Brown’s stories were false, based upon the above evidence coupled with many inconsistencies between the books and their teaching tapes and testimonies. Many of these findings were published in the article “Drugs, Demons, and Delusions,” originally published in 1989 [4]. Another counter-cult organization, Answers in Action, also published their own findings, including court records, in an online article.

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For much more info on the infamous Rebecca Brown, please see the following websites:

THE CURSE OF CURSE THEOLOGY
The Return of Rebecca Brown, M.D.
by G. Richard Fisher and M. Kurt Goedelman  —

THE BIZARRE CASE OF DR. REBECCA BROWN
By John Baskette
Copyright March 1994 by John Baskette — http://answers.org/satan/brown.html

A Letter from Peter Hoover to a Friend about Rebecca Brownhttp://www.scrollpublishing.com/store/article-rebeccabrown.html

A letter by Pastor Charles C. Younts of the Calvary Baptist Missions:

Dear Mr. Daniels:

Having read your letter to Pastor Worley, I felt led of the Lord to respond to it, as least in part. I’m also sending copies of this letter to Rebecca Brown, Jack Chick, Pastor Worley and others I feel might be interested.

Some random comments and questions that do require thought and/or answers:

1. In order to avoid confusion, I will refer to the alleged former witch as Edna. She has gone by Edna Moses, Edna Bailey, Edna Gnost, Elaine Moses…why all of the aliases, I do not know. It could not be from supposedly hiding from former associates in the craft because she is exceptionally easy to track and find, no matter where she is. I refer to Ruth Bailey (alias Rebecca Brown) as just Ruth.

2. Why does Ruth keep the title of Doctor when she was barred from medicine in Indiana? (for prescription boosting) She has not applied in any state to be reinstated. It is a fake title and misleading, and it has been only used by her to establish credibility.

3. To avoid the appearance of evil, why did Edna assume Ruth’s last name? The explanation by Ruth was that she was going to adopt Edna. This is so preposterous and ludicrous…that anyone would make such a comment. Middle age adopts middle age? Why do they sleep in the same bed and have done so almost since they first met? In most of the places they live, there is adequate bedroom space for separate bedrooms or at least separate beds.

Homosexual marriages are not uncommon and it is not uncommon for homosexual lovers to assume the last name of their partner. Add this to sleeping together and the appearance of evil is given. I would say it’s an unhealthy practice for an individual in the ministry of Jesus Christ.

4. The very idea that because an individual ministers for Jesus Christ, he is “of Christ” is anti-Biblical. We know Satan’s messengers come on as “angels of light.” Don’t forget Judas ate with and ministered with all the others for years, and they were totally taken by them. He healed, cast out demons, pointed sinners to Jesus Christ, etc. Yet, we’re told he was of his father, the Devil. Just because someone has won souls to Jesus Christ, such as Marjoe Gortnor, they are not necessarily of Christ.

5. One can only be judged on what they say and do by a singular standard–the only one on earth to tell the truth from the lie is the Bible. The Holy Spirit who inspired it will never go against it. Many of the statements of the two women are so far removed from the Biblethat they must be looked at with great suspicion.

6. Why do neither of the women attend a fundamental church?

7. Having spoken with Edna personally, she told me, and I have it on tape, “I was crazy for believing the New Testament.”

8. Edna also admitted on the same tape that Ruth lost her license to practice medicine in Indiana for writing illegal prescriptions.

9. Ruth states on tape that the one thing that is absolutely necessary in the ministry to witches is to get them out of the spiritual world—where they can see things ordinary humans cannot. If so, why does she herself enter into this world frequently? Furthermore, what she “sees” is diametrically opposed to the Word of God. She made the following statements in the presence of witnesses:

“I saw Jesus get up from His throne and He came down to minister to demons (that’s blasphemous) who were being tormented by angels (since when?) because He felt sorry for them.” Obviously, anyone making that statement does not know the Bible, is having delusions, or is trying to impress someone.

Just for the things I’ve stated at this point, alone, I would not believe anything these women have to say, but there’s much more—found in the tapes they put out, and that piece of garbage they call a book.

The two women made three sets of tapes before they put one of the sets on the market. The first set contradicts the second; and the second contradicts the third and the first; and the third set contradicts much of the first and second sets. I’ll not go deeply into it at this time. The market tape is full of the questionable, the impossible, and that which cannot be substantiated. Most pastors I know who have listened to the two tapes—men in the ministries for several years—can survive only one half hour before turning them off.

Most have labeled these women as bogus, still in the occult, trying to infiltrate a solid fundamental organization and ruin it or simply two adventuresome women trying to make a name for themselves. And still others think it’s done for notoriety or even possibly they’re mentally ill. Their credibility could be greatly added to if they would answer a multitude of questions. Instead, they give stupid reasons why they can’t and also state that God told them not to answer.

Let’s just start with the tapes. Edna labeled herself by her own mouth to be a murderess before and after the fact. She admits to ordering twenty murders, then admits to ordering the attempted murder of a man whose name must be known as he was admitted to the Indiana hospital when the police found him unconscious at a Satanic meeting. Ruth says she didn’t know what had happened to him because the police let go the only person who survived a ritualistic murder—-the worst case Ruth had seen in her time at the emergency room of a person being semi-butchered. I can tell you a cop or an attorney would have a field day with that. Murder, by the way, has no statute of limitations, and there was no police investigation.

Let’s look at Edna a moment if we dare. Have you ever noticed—when the questions start to get tight, she says, “Father told me not to say anything.” “Father?” Which Father? He’s never referred to in such a way by anyone in the Bible. He’s referred to as “the Father,” “My Father,” “Our Father,” and “Heavenly Father.” The singular word “Father” sounds like a familiar spirit.

Here is a witch, Edna, who has met governors, congressmen, chiefs of police across the United States who engage in witchcraft. She’s not referring to seances, tara cards, but to baby killing, derelict murders, narcotics killings, sex orgies with both men and women. Now, it is her responsibility to point out, name, and expose these sources of evil, but we find now that God the Father goes against His Own Word and says not to expose anyone. Edna is supposedly involved in international “gun-running.”

How does Edna, the bride of Satan, top witch in the United States (maybe even in the whole world) manages to get out of most of the killing rituals? The tapes and the book could be taken apart piece by piece and refuted by the Bible, not to mention wisdom and plain common sense.

Just what I have stated up to this point alone would be sufficient reason not to take these women seriously. The finest Federal Investigative agencies are not interested about anything these women say. The DIA on the narcotics; the BATF on weapons; the FBI on interstate murders; the CIA on international covert deals, have no interest uniquely when these things are openly declared. If, for example, I would have said on a national tape that I’ve sold narcotics, international arms, murdered and knew people involved, every investigator in the United States would immediately run a background check on me before coming to me to elaborate on these points. If they discover within their investigation, I was a “loonie tune,” they would proceed no further. If they believe there was an iota of truth, I’d be answering questions of lots of people.

Let the Lord be the judge! I’ve been able to meet both of the women. I’ve seen where they live and where they have lived. I’ve read material regarding their past. I even read the tract that the two put out regarding the girl in a church in witchcraft: how Edna spotted her, and how Edna forgot to tell the girl (after repenting) the Biblical way to get saved.

The young in Christ, the uninitiated, those intrigued by the spectacular, and those who believe in the “bump in the night” evil, find the two women interesting. Most pastors never invite them back a second time. Needless to say, much more is to be said, as a great deal of time has been spent by many looking into the backgrounds as well as the story they put out. The tapes and the book speak for themselves.

It’s my understanding that an attorney for the two has been brought into the picture. I was so ordered by what I believe to be a Christian attorney in Los Angeles supposedly representing the two women, to cease and desist in any comments regarding them. My reply to the attorney was lengthy and strong and I stated I’d be more than happy to go to court on the matter. Interesting questions would be brought up and I’d love to hear the answers.

It is my hope that a law suit is coming up for me or to another laboring in the Lord. As an appeal to Caesar would bring out the truth and all foolishness would be put to an end in quick order.

Sincerely in Christ

Charles C. Younts

Source: http://www.scrollpublishing.com/store/article-rebeccabrown.html

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Right, there is no rocket science involved here people.  Her medical and personal track record speaks for itself.  She does not expose satanism, she promotes it.   Her books are filled to the brim with horror and gore from one satanic ritual after another.  All lies of course.  Her books appeal to the minds of those who seek horror stories instead of Jesus Christ.

If you have been to see this woman in Centurion, I pray you ask Jesus to forgive you for going to see this woman.  Tell Jesus you are sorry for even thinking this woman is a Christian and ask Him to show you now and going forward the lies and deception disguised under the name of Rebecca Brown (and there are many others like her out there, she is not the only one, Mary K Baxter is another).   Throw away anything you brought back with you and ask Jesus to remove anything that most likely tried to attach itself to you.

If you are seeking deliverance in your life, here is what you do.  And I am not even charging you R50 – this is free, glorious free gospel of Salvation.

If you EARNESTLY seeking Jesus Christ and deliverance then:

  1. Start obeying God and start repenting of the sin in your life.
  2. If you want Satan out of your life, then show Jesus that you are willing to come before Him in earnest and ask forgiveness for your sinful life. Go into the privacy of your own room and pray.  Make a list of your sins and name them one by one if you have too and show Jesus Christ how sincere you are.  When the Holy Spirit convicts you on certain issues in your life, listen!   People it’s all about repentance.

Again I would like to emphasize, Christians can never be possessed.  If you are possessed, you are unsaved and need to be saved.  Being oppressed and afflicted is a different story and is easily solved through Biblical obedience to God and that is by asking Jesus to forgive you of unresolved sin in your life or sins you refuse or don’t think you need to repent of.

Do you want to be saved?  Only Jesus Christ can do that!  I can tell you what to say to help you, but it is what is in your heart that counts.  Are you looking for a quick fix to your current unhappy situation or are you sincerely seeking Jesus Christ the Son of God for a permanent 2 sided relationship.  Diligently seeking Him now means you will still want to be diligently seeking Him in 20 years time, until the day you die.

DILIGENTLY SEEK HIM

Hebrews 11:6   Without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.”

Pray this if you are truly sincere.

Dear Heavenly Father, I come before you in the name of You Son, Jesus Christ. I know that Jesus is the only Way, the Truth, and the Life; and is the only Mediator between You and man.

I acknowledge to You Lord Jesus that I am a sinner. I believe that Your only begotten Son Jesus Christ paid the price for mankind through his sacrifice on the cross for me.  He shed His precious Blood on the cross for me, his blood washes away my sin, covers me and cleanses me.  He died on the cross and rose again on the third day.

I am truly sorry for the sinful, shameful life I have lived.   I want to repent Lord Jesus, I want to turn away from my sins. Forgive me of my sins as I forgive anyone who has ever sinned against me.

I truly desire to serve You, Lord Jesus.  I pray that You would help me to hear Your still small voice.  Heavenly Father, I desire to be led by Your Holy Spirit so I can faithfully follow You and obey all of Your commandments.  I want the conviction of the Holy Spirit in my life.

This very moment I acknowledge that Jesus Christ is my Savior and according to His Word, right now I am born again.

Thank You, Jesus, for coming into my life and thank you for saving me.

Now go back to the top where I speak about ongoing repentance of sin in your life.

Please get a decent bible and start reading it.  Use the internet for research and ALWAYS listen to the Holy Spirit (who will direct you to the Word of God).  Obey God in your life.  If you love Jesus Christ, you will keep His commandments and He will keep you safe as a Father would keep His child safe.

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187 comments to Rebecca Brown – WARNING! Don’t Bind Yourself in her Books

  • Andrew Smith

    Your just a big plain liar.Jesus has given the power to all who believe in Him to cast out demons and heal the sick.if i was unsure before,now i know you are a liar.Because k am sure that you just as well as I also know this.That the disciples caught someone casting out demons in Jesus name and they stopped him.they told this to Jesus but Jesus told them not to do that again because he was with Jesus by virtue of doing what he did.Or have you also forggotten that the disciples themselves tried to cast out a demon from a possessd boy but the could not.Then Jesus came and casted out the demon.And they asked,”Lord,why wer’nt we able to cast it out?”And then Jesus said to them,”because you did not believe”Get it?And these signs shall follow them who BELIEVE.Not “a just only a few apostles whom He chose specially”You are a liar and a deciever following the steps the one who is the father of a lies.telling lies upon lies unto this generation.There is a spiritual battle going on and be you rest assurred,you will loose.saying put on the armour of God yourself.well that is true.but know this,no man can ever successfully do this unless God helps him.true.we should put it on consciously and also make a real effort to put on Gods armour in our lives.but we have to pray to God to help us do it too.or have you forggotten the words that will never pass away,”NOT BY POWER,NOT BY MIGHT,BUT BY MY SPIRIT SAYETH THE LORD GOD OF HOSTS”?????????????????????????????

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Andrew

    Did you read the article properly?

    Right, let me explain this to you because you clearly don’t understand.

    Mark 9:38-40
    38 And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us.
    39 But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me.
    40 For he that is not against us is on our part.

    The disciples were walking along and they came across a man casting out a demon, the man was not part of the disciples group. They told him to stop because they believed that only they could cast out demons. Jesus told them that they must not stop him for casting out the demon because the man was truly a believer and his faith in Jesus was so strong that he could use Jesus’ name and the demon would flee. Although the disciples did not know this man, Jesus knew him and said that he was part of the them and next time they need to be more careful as anyone performing a miracle in Jesus’ name at that time was truly born again. No body could speak evil of Jesus Christ during that time and then go produce miracles. Unlike today where there are a billion and one false teachers preaching false gospels and abusing the name of Jesus producing false signs and wonders.

    The Apostles, disciples and other believers who believed in Jesus could perform miracles, it was called the sign of the Apostle, but these miracles ceased. We now believe by faith. If we want healing you now go directly to Jesus Christ for you healing in prayer, if you want a miracle you now go directly to Jesus Christ for you miracle in prayer. And just to add that you of course can have others pray for you for healing, that is of course if they are genuine believers. But do they have the power to heal and raise people from the dead? No.
    Do you have a problem with this? Going directly to Jesus Christ in prayer for healing etc?

    Secondly, OF COURSE you pray and ask God to help you when you have the armour of God on, I never said you don’t, it’s common sense that you would. I said you do not pray for pieces of the armour of God like its some sort of magical armour like Rebecca Brown does.

  • Andrew Smith

    [deleted – clearly you have an issue going straight to Jesus Christ for healing, deliverance from demons and prefer to go to false teachers, now please go elsewhere and spew your nonsense and while you are at it, please find just one person who has been raised from the dead and post your findings here with proof (that excludes the ones from the bible): Have You or a Loved One Been Raised From the Dead?]

  • cecilia

    thank you Deborah! at long last someone published the truth about this woman and her stuff. Many of the “deliverance movements” practice the same stuff. They all make people free from the law by putting them under new human things that bind them again (new laws = still under the / a law!)
    thank you again. always praying for you
    ciel

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Thank you C – love you lots!

  • N.RoseJ

    Speaking from experience, YES, DEMONS CAN MANIFEST PHYSICALLY, AND YES, YOU CAN TOUCH THEM. I experienced this for myself almost 5.5yrs ago. I was deeply living in a pit of sin most of my life, and it all came to a head in 2009. I had to be exorcized three times, and finally was completely delivered. I give all honor and praise and glory to our Lord Jesus Christ for healing me from a reprobate mind, and so many other things. I NEVER claim to be the things this ‘Brown’ woman does; but I do share that I did see a demon manifest in the physical realm. It appeared as a dark figure, in human form, and rose from the floor of my bedroom. However, it did not stay for more than two minutes. I also want to make clear that the exorcisms were demons that had possessed me. I have always been tormented in my sleep, since childhood, but during this time of my life the manifestations where increasing and became extremely aggressive. After a time of feeling it touch me all over my body, I kept begging for it to leave me alone; (keep in mind now that at this time in my life, I DID NOT belong to Christ; I had given my soul over the satan, without really ‘knowing’ what I had done, until it became so unbearable and frightening I HAD to turn to God…HE WAS THE ONLY WAY FOR ME TO BE SAVED! And He DID save me!) during the begging I was sobbing uncontrollably, reaching my hands in the air, and that is when I PHYSICALLY touched something. I KNOW it was the demon. Nothing hanging over my bed ect…I am not sticking up for this false prophet in any way, don’t get me wrong. But I did want to clarify that DEMONS ARE REAL. I also wanted to tell you that YOU are right in what you said…that, “First you communicate with the ones you can’t see and as you become more skilled in your witchcraft they presented themselves to you in physical form?” YES, THAT IS EXACTLY TRUE and how it happens!

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    N Rosej

    >> It appeared as a dark figure, in human form, and rose from the floor of my bedroom.

    I totally understand what you are saying, however, it was not physical it was in another dimension (space and time) that you saw this being enter our dimension. It does not have flesh and blood like us. You touched something, absolutely, but it was not a physical being like you and me.

    In the book Elaine speaks about a covern mass that would take place through the country at the roughly the same time. She said that because Satan is not omnpresent he could not appear at all the covern masses at the same time, so each mass had to take place at slightly different times so he could show up in person at each one. She said he would walk onto the stage as if he was an actual person of flesh and blood. She said Satan appeared in human form dressed in white, they had a gold throne for him to sit on. (pg. 72, 73) She again states in another part of the book that she was alone at home one day and four demons appeared in a physical form, their bodies had black scales on them (pg. 75)

    The bible says Ephesians 6:12 “For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.”

  • Gareth simone

    Can you just give one instance,i mean one instance in the bible where it was stated,or even implied that casting out of demons and raising of the dead ended with the apostles?????

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Gareth

    The office of Prophet and Apostle was temporary…

    and only necessary for the church before the completion of the Bible. The actual foundation of the church was built UPON the Prophets and Apostles (with Jesus Christ being the chief cornerstone).

    Ephesians 2:19-22

    19 Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God,20 having been built ON THE FOUNDATION of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone, 21 in whom the whole building, being fitted together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, 22 in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.

    Notice the word ‘been’, as in past tense.

    Please find someone who has been raised from the dead and post your ‘genuine proof’ here (excluding the bible): Have You or a Loved One Been Raised From the Dead?]

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Gareth

    Please read the below and understand what is meant by an Apostle. Anyone who says they are an apostle today is not telling the truth.

    Are There Modern-Day Apostles?

    by Dave Miller, Ph.D.

    The incredible diversity of viewpoint that exists in religion today is startling and disconcerting. We are witnessing a breakdown of respect for authority in American culture, as well as a tremendous increase in personal opinion and feelings as the standard of authority. Consequently, we now have a veritable smorgasbord of doctrinal variety in religion. Such is the nature of pluralism. One is likely to see anything and everything perpetrated in the name of religion and/or Christianity. The only solution to such a situation is to reaffirm the inspiration and authority of the Bible. The Bible is the only written document on this planet that is the standard of authority in life and in religion (see Miller, 1996, pp. 430-446,462-471).

    THE DEFINITION OF AN APOSTLE

    Such being the case, we must go to the Bible to determine God’s will with regard to modern-day apostles. When we do so, we first learn that the word “apostle” comes from the Greek word apostolos, which means “one sent from or forth, a messenger, delegate” (Arndt and Gingrich, 1957, p. 99; Thayer, 1901, p. 68). The term is used in the New Testament in two distinct senses. It can refer to an individual who is sent by other humans to accomplish a particular mission or task. The term is so used to refer, for example, to Barnabas (Acts 14:14). He was an “apostle” in the sense that he accompanied Paul on an evangelistic trip. Jesus is said to be our “Apostle” in the sense that He was sent to atone for our sins (Hebrews 3:1).

    The term “apostle” also is used in a second sense—what we might call an official sense. That is, “apostle” can refer to individuals who were officially and divinely selected to serve as Jesus’ original representatives—“ambassadors” (2 Corinthians 5:20). Jesus handpicked the original twelve apostles (Matthew 10:1-5; Mark 3:13-19; Luke 6:12-16; 9:1-2). Of these original twelve, Judas betrayed the Lord as predicted by the Old Testament (Psalm 41:9; John 13:18-19; 18:1-5). Instead of repenting, he cinched his apostasy by committing suicide (Matthew 27:3-5; John 17:12). Consequently, a successor to Judas was selected by divine decree (Acts 1:16-26).

    Only one other apostle in the official sense is alluded to in the New Testament—Paul. His appointment to apostleship was unique and unparalleled in that he was chosen for a specific first century task (Acts 9:15; 22:14-15; 26:16-18; 1 Corinthians 15:8-9; Galatians 1:11-12,15-16). Christ selected him to introduce the message of Christianity to the Gentile world (Romans 11:13; 15:16; Galatians 2:8; Ephesians 3:8). Paul was careful to document the fact that his apostleship was by divine appointment (e.g., Romans 1:5; 1 Corinthians 1:1; Galatians 1:1,16).

    THE QUALIFICATIONS OF AN APOSTLE

    When one assembles all the relevant New Testament data, at least three qualifications emerge as prerequisite to one becoming an apostle in the official sense (Hayden, 1894, p. 33, expands these credentials to seven in number). First, an apostle had to have seen the Lord and been an eyewitness of Christ’s resurrection (Acts 1:22; 22:14; 1 Corinthians 9:1). Second, an apostle had to be specifically selected by the Lord or the Holy Spirit (Matthew 10:5; Mark 3:13-14; Luke 6:13; Acts 1:26; 9:15; 22:14-15,21; 26:16). Third, an apostle was invested with miraculous power to the extent that he could perform miracles. The power to perform miracles included the capability to confer the ability to work miracles to other individuals through the laying on of his hands (Mark 3:15; 16:17-20; Luke 9:1-2; John 14:12,26; 15:24-27; 16:13; Acts 2:43; 4:29-31,33; 5:12,15-16; 6:6; 8:14-18; 19:6; 2 Timothy 1:6; Romans 1:11; Hebrews 2:3-4). Jesus referred to His bestowal of miraculous capability upon the apostles when He promised they would be “endued with power from on high” (Luke 24:49).

    THE WORK OF AN APOSTLE

    The apostolic office was unquestionably a temporary office for the early church (though apostolic appointment was for life). Its essential purpose was twofold. First, apostles were commissioned by Jesus to launch the Christian religion (Matthew 28:18-20; Mark 16:15-16; Luke 24:46-48). This purpose was achieved by means of the initial presentation of the Gospel to the whole world (Colossians 1:23), and the establishment of the church of Christ (Acts 2). Second, apostles were largely responsible for making the New Testament available—first in oral form and, more specifically, in written form (1 Corinthians 14:37; Galatians 1:12; Ephesians 3:3-4; 1 Thessalonians 5:27; 2 Thessalonians 2:15; 3:14; 1 Peter 1:12; 2 Peter 1:12-21; 3:15-16).

    These two central tasks are set forth clearly in the New Testament. In Matthew 16, Jesus declared that He would build His church after His resurrection from hades (vs. 18). He then explained that it would be the apostles who would instigate initial entrance into Christ’s church (hence the significance of “keys”—vs. 19). This commencement of the Christian religion and the church of Christ would be achieved by means of the apostles “binding” and “loosing” the doctrinal tenets and principles of Christianity that Heaven had previously bound or loosed [the Greek uses the perfect passive and should be translated “will have been bound/loosed in Heaven” as in the NASB (cf. Matthew 18:18-20; John 20:22-23)]. Peter and the apostles articulated the terms of entrance into the kingdom of Christ for the first time on the Pentecost that followed Christ’s resurrection (Acts 2:14ff.).

    In Ephesians 4, after summarizing Christianity in terms of seven core concepts (vss. 1-6), Paul described the initial sequence of events that recounted the advent of Christianity (vss. 7-16). Paul noted that: (1) after His crucifixion, Jesus descended into the Hadean realm; (2) He then was resurrected; (3) He ascended back to Heaven; (4) upon His ascension, He dispensed gifts; (5) the apostolic office was included in the reception of these miraculous capabilities; (6) the purpose of these gifts was to equip and edify the church; (7) the preparation provided to the infant church by these gifts was temporary (“till” is an adverb of time connoting when the miraculous gifts were to terminate), in that the same preparation soon would be available through the completed revelation, i.e., “the faith.” [By “completed revelation” we do not mean completed canon. We mean that all of God’s communication to humanity would have been revealed. See the New Testament discussion contrasting “mystery” with “made known” (Romans 16:25-26; 1 Corinthians 2:7-10; Ephesians 3:1-11). In the meantime, the process of producing copies of the various New Testament documents and circulating them far and wide would have been occurring rapidly and extensively from the very moment of their production by the inspired writers (cf. Colossians 4:16, 1 Timothy 5:18, where Luke 10:7 is already known and classified as “Scripture,” and 2 Peter 3:15-16, where Paul’s epistles are already circulated and recognized as “Scriptures”). Further, the reference to “the faith” in Ephesians 4:13 cannot refer to a time when all people or all Christians will achieve unity in faith. Such a circumstance will never occur. Paul was referring to the time when all people would have access to all of God’s communication to man, thus giving them the potential for attaining spiritual maturity (“a perfect man” vs. “children“). See Miller, 2003].

    Once all of the information necessary to the promotion of the Christian religion was revealed to the early church (through oral means made possible by the distribution of the gifts), the church would have the means available to grow and mature in Christ (cf. 1 Corinthians 13:8-13). While prophets, evangelists, pastors, and teachers [the words “pastors and teachers” share the same article in the Greek, and so should likely be construed to mean “pastor-teachers,” i.e., a single function in which pastors (those selected by the local congregation to serve as elders or shepherds) were endowed with the miraculous ability to teach inspired information not yet made available in written form] were part of this early development of Christianity (Ephesians 4:11), the office of an apostle was the primary means by which Christ accomplished the inauguration of His religion.

    The apostles had the sole responsibility of executing the will of the Son of God in founding, organizing, and fully equipping the church of Christ on Earth, that she might fulfill her heaven-borne mission, until Jesus comes again (Hayden, p. 22). That is why Paul could say two chapters earlier that the household of God (i.e., the church) was built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets (Ephesians 2:20; cf. 3:5; Revelation 21:14). That is why he informed the Corinthian Christians:

    God has appointed these in the church: first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, varieties of tongues. Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Are all workers of miracles? Do all have gifts of healings? Do all speak with tongues? Do all interpret? (1 Corinthians 12:28-30).

    The apostles are said to be “first” in the significance and criticality of their divinely appointed role. The apostles specifically described their unique role in the early church as entailing giving themselves to “the word of God” and “the ministry of the word” (Acts 6:2,4).

    THE DURATION OF AN APOSTLE

    Once the church of Christ was established and Christianity was given its initial presentation (cf. Colossians 1:23), the apostolic office faded from the scene along with the age of miracles. As an eyewitness of Christ’s resurrection, Paul referred to himself in relation to the other apostles as “last of all” (1 Corinthians 15:8). Neither apostles nor miraculous gifts was needed any longer. They had served their temporary purpose (Mark 16:20; Acts 4:29-31; 13:12; 14:3; Romans 15:18-19; Hebrews 2:3-4; cf. Exodus 4:30). Miraculous gifts functioned as scaffolding while the church was under initial construction, and were removed once the structure had been completed (1 Corinthians 3:10; 13:11; Ephesians 4:13-14). The book we call the Bible is the totality of God’s written revelation to the human race. Consequently, people now have access to everything they need (2 Peter 1:3) to enter into a right relationship with God via Christianity and the church of Christ. The apostles “had no official successors. From the nature of their duties, there could be no succession” (Hayden, pp. 20-21). Apostles, quite simply, are no longer needed!

    NO APOSTLES TODAY

    Unfortunately, several groups that claim affiliation with the Christian religion allege to have apostles among them, including Catholicism, Mormonism, and some pentecostal groups. This claim is unbiblical. No person living today can meet the qualifications given in Scripture for being an apostle. No one living today has been an eyewitness of Christ’s resurrection. Christ has selected no one living today for the apostolic role. No one living today possesses the miraculous capabilities of an apostle. We should not be surprised that people would falsely claim to be apostles. Jesus warned that false prophets would come in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they would be ravening wolves (Matthew 7:15). Paul described some of his opponents in these words:

    For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works (2 Corinthians 11:13-15).

    Further warning was issued to the Galatian churches: “But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed” (Galatians 1:8). Anyone claiming to be an apostle today who teaches anything in addition to the New Testament is clearly not an apostle of Christ!

    Peter added his voice on the same subject: “But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction” (2 Peter 2:1). No wonder John admonished: “Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world” (1 John 4:1; cf. Matthew 24:11,24). In the Revelation, the church at Ephesus was commended because they “tested those who say they are apostles and are not, and have found them liars” (Revelation 2:2).

    Catholicism maintains that Peter was the supreme bishop, even over the other apostles, and that every pope since Peter is an apostolic successor to Peter. The pope is selected after literally hours and days of deliberation by cardinals in the Vatican. The only apostle in the Bible that was not handpicked by Christ in person was Matthias. Yet he was not selected by mere men deliberating and debating his potential. He was selected by the casting of lots—which was simply another way for Jesus to do the selecting (Acts 1:26; cf. Proverbs 16:33).

    It is incredible to think that any human beings living today would presume to appoint apostles. In pinpointing the credentials of an apostle, Luke (Acts 1) made it abundantly evident that to qualify as an apostle a person would have to have seen the Lord and been an eyewitness of His resurrection. That is why Paul was careful to state: “Am I not an apostle? …Have I not seen the Lord?” (1 Corinthians 9:1, emp. added). In recounting his conversion, he quoted Ananias as having said, “The God of our fathers has chosen you that you should know His will, and see the Just One, and hear the voice of His mouth. For you will be His witness to all men of what you have seen and heard” (Acts 22:14-15, emp. added). What alleged modern-day apostle could make such a claim?

    The New Testament also makes clear the fact that an essential characteristic of an apostle was that he had been selected by Deity. When Jesus was on Earth, He handpicked the first twelve apostles. After His departure from Earth, the disciples cast lots to select a successor to Judas. Their method allowed no input from mere humans—except in the recognition that two men possessed all the qualifications necessary to be an apostle. Casting lots allowed God to do the selecting. Divine control in the selection process by casting lots was common in Old Testament history (see Leviticus 16:8; Numbers 26:55; 33:54; 34:13; Joshua 14:2; 18:6,10; 19:51; cf. Acts 13:19; 1 Samuel 14:42; Nehemiah 10:34; Psalm 16:5). Solomon claimed: “The lot is cast into the lap, but its every decision is from the Lord” (Proverbs 16:33). Indeed, Peter’s prayer on the occasion shows that the decision already had been made by the Lord before the actual casting of lots: “…show which of these two You have chosen” (Acts 1:24, emp. added). The summary statement regarding Matthias—“he was numbered with the eleven apostles” (Acts 1:26; cf. Matthew 28:16; Mark 16:14; Luke 24:33)—gives way to a return to the expression “the twelve” (Acts 6:2; cf. Acts 2:14). The text states: “You, O Lord, who know the hearts of all, show which of these two You have chosen to take part in this ministry and apostleship” (Acts 1:24-25). Paul also was handpicked by Jesus—to be a “chosen vessel” (Acts 9:15). No human being on Earth today can claim he has been personally singled out and chosen by Jesus to be an apostle.

    A third proof that no apostles exist on Earth today is the fact that New Testament apostles were empowered by God—not only to perform miracles—but also to convey miraculous power to other people who then could work miracles themselves. This characteristic is demonstrated in detailed fashion in Acts: “Now when Simon saw that through the laying on of the apostles’ hands the Holy Spirit was given, he offered them money” (Acts 8:18). The issue of modern-day apostles may be settled very quickly! To authenticate their claim to be apostles, they must be able both to perform miracles as well as confer miraculous power to others. The apostles of Jesus in the New Testament demonstrated their apostolic status without hesitation. Anyone today who claims to be an apostle should be willing to do the same. No such ability exists today.

    ORIGINAL APOSTLES WERE SUFFICIENT

    A fascinating passage in the New Testament sheds further light upon this notion of modern-day apostles. That passage is Matthew 19:28. There Jesus informed Peter and the other apostles: “Assuredly I say to you, that in the regeneration, when the Son of Man sits on the throne of His glory, you who have followed Me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.” A related passage is Luke 22:29-30 which says, “And I bestow upon you a kingdom, just as my Father bestowed one upon Me, that you may eat and drink at My table in My kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.”

    These verses are Christ’s figurative declarations describing the role of the twelve apostles in the establishment of the church and the dissemination of the gospel proclamation (cf. Bales, 1957, pp. 187-223). The “regeneration” refers to the Christian era, which began at Pentecost, during which time spiritual regeneration became possible through the blood of Christ (Titus 3:5). It is an equivalent expression with the “time of reformation” (Hebrews 9:10). The throne of Christ’s glory refers to His present location at the right hand of God (Acts 2:34-36; Ephesians 1:20; 1 Timothy 3:16; Hebrews 1:13; 8:1; 10:12-13). The “judging” done by the apostles refers to the rule that the apostles exerted while they were on Earth, setting in place the features of New Testament Christianity (Matthew 16:19; John 20:22-23). The “twelve thrones” refers to their complete authority from Christ to implement Christ’s will until the end of time—which they presently do today through their authoritative writings—found only in the New Testament. The “twelve tribes” is a figurative way to refer to the church—the spiritual Israel (Galatians 6:16; James 1:1; cf. Romans 2:28-30; Galatians 3:29).

    Neither Christ nor the original apostles needs successors or representatives on Earth today. They continue to rule and reign over the kingdom through the work that they achieved in the first century, and that is preserved for all in the New Testament. Christ is now on His throne ruling and reigning. The apostles also are on the thrones assigned to them by Christ. To suggest that the apostles have modern-day successors is to discount and discredit the current rule of the apostles. Neither Christ nor the apostles has abdicated their authority or their current rule to any humans on Earth.

    Additionally, the fact that Jesus declared that all twelve apostles would occupy thrones in the kingdom proves that Peter had no greater authority than the other apostles. The apostles were equal in their reception and wielding of the authority delegated to them by Christ. Yet the Catholic Church claims that the immediate successors to Peter were Linus (from A.D. 67 to 79), Cletus (from A.D. 79 to 91) and Clement (from A.D. 91 to 100). They agree that the apostle John would have still been alive throughout this period (see G.C. Brewer’s discussion as quoted in Bales, pp. 208-210). The doctrine of the primacy of Peter means that the first three of the alleged successors of Peter would have exercised authority over the still-living apostle John—who had been handpicked by Christ Himself! The very John whom Jesus placed on one of the twelve thrones would have been under the authority, knowledge, and power of three popes who had not been selected to be among the original Twelve! (see also Hayden, pp. 22-33). Hayden aptly summarized the New Testament position regarding modern-day apostles:

    The thirteen apostles chosen, ordained and endowed by the newly crowned Messiah faithfully and fully executed their commission. When they entered into everlasting rest, the church was established, with all needful ministries to edify, extend and perpetuate it throughout all coming centuries. Then the extraordinary, which was necessary to found a new institution, was succeeded by the ordinary, which is sufficient to teach, regulate and govern the subjects of Christ’s kingdom according to the laws that went forth from Jerusalem. The revelation of God was completed. The word of faith is henceforth nigh every believer, even in his mouth and in his heart. The apostolic office ceased, and evangelists and pastors became the permanent teachers and superintendents of the church (pp. 33-34).

    REFERENCES

    Arndt, William and F.W. Gingrich (1957), A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature (Chicago, IL: University of Chicago Press).

    Bales, James (1957), The Kingdom: Prophesied and Established (Austin, TX: Firm Foundation).

    Hayden, W.L. (1894), Church Polity (Kansas City, MO: Old Paths Book Club).

    Miller, Dave (1996), Piloting the Strait (Pulaski, TN: Sain Publications).

    Miller, Dave (2003), “Modern-day Miracles, Tongue-Speaking, and Holy Spirit Baptism: A Refutation—Extended Version,” [On-line], URL: http://www.apologeticspress.org/articles/2569.

    Thayer, Joseph H. (1901), A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament (Grand Rapids, MI: Baker, 1977 reprint).
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    source: http://apologeticspress.org/apcontent.aspx?category=11&article=1226 (please note I only agree with this article from this website and do not endorse this ministry they do not preach the truth on many things.)

  • Jumpy

    Gareth,
    I would also add one more Scripture, please read Hebrews 1.1-2.
    “God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in times past unto the fathers by the prophets. Hath in these last days spoke unto us by His Son….”
    We read of the powerful past tense in the first verse, and now after the F I N I S H E D work of the cross, God “Hath spoken unto us by His Son,…” We have all we need contained in His Word. The problem with the Pentecostal Charismaniacs is that they believe in on-going revelation (among much else), with that being the case, why do they need the Bible, if God is updating them all the time?

  • moraiah

    I havE noticed how u, deborah, attacks and attempts to discredit all d true ministers of God. This is appaling and u are the satanist! U claim no one has d power to perform miracles. So what was Jesus saying when he said “these signs shall folow THEM that believe(not apostles)…..”. Wha does the scripture “behold I give unto u power..” Mean. Also, whaT about “WHOSOEVER believes, has been given d powe to become sons of God”. U clearly lack understanding of the scriptures and then run around accusing everyone u see as an occultist. Bbt God is not a fool. One day He’ll xpose All ur evil works so all those u fooled will know who you really are.u claim God has never sent an aangel to destroy yet u wickedly choose to xclude d scriptures in d book of samuel where God sent His own angel to destroy d isrealites wit a plague until he reached d threshold of araunah bcos David numbered d people. I dnt habe time to cut through all ur lies. I’ll only advice people to read their bible well b4 coming out to xpose their ignorance!

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    moriah

    No dear Moriah, I do not attack TRUE ministers of God. I expose the wolves that come into the church dressed as sheep who preach another gospel, another Jesus and another spirit. Rebecca Brown is one of those WOLVES. If you don’t want to see the truth after I explained to you in the article her false doctrine then I feel sorry for you. I pray you listen to the Holy Spirit warning you, and your eyes are opened to the truth.

  • bn

    Deborah, read these few verses
    Matthew 17:20
    Mark 16:17
    Luke 10:19

    With God nothing is impossible (Luke 1:37), be it healing and driving our demons, nothing is impossible with God.
    The only thing that comes to my mind first is that the purpose of your blog is to lead believers into sinning (such as incite an argument and cause disbelief). Read 2nd Corinthians 10:4-6

    You label Dr. Brown as a false prophet and even say that say that she is a wolf in sheep’s clothing, yet the bible says do not judge.Also read Matthew 7:1-5. As Jesus said, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye (Matthew 7:5).

  • bn wrote:

    With God nothing is impossible (Luke 1:37), be it healing and driving our demons, nothing is impossible with God.

    Healing the sick and driving out demons means absolutely nothing. It can even be your downfall and your ticket to hell.

    Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works [like healing the sick]? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. (Matthew 7:21-23).

    Even Judas healed the sick and drove out demons. Is he in heaven? Perish the thought.

    May I ask you: Does Christ know YOU or is He going to say to YOU, “I never knew YOU?” Are you saved? Healing the sick and casting out demons isn’t going to help you one single whit to get you to heaven.

    Paul labeled many people as false prophets and he even named their names. It’s your duty to warn others against false prophets. If you don’t, you are disobeying Jesus Christ who said “Take heed that no one deceives you.” (Matthew 24:4). Do you like being deceived? I suppose you do because God says,

    I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. (2 Timothy 4:1-4)

    Mathew 17:20. Have you ever moved a mountain and cast it into the sea? If not, then you don’t have much of a faith as big as a mustard seed.

    Mark 16:17. The next verse 18 says they shall take up serpents. Have you picked up a few black South African adders or a few deadly poisonous American rattle snakes in your hands yet? You cannot do all the other things and not this one. You must do them all to be genuine. If not, then you don’t have much of a faith as big as a mustard seed.

    Luke 10:19. The fact that you have been deceived by Rebecca Brown proves that you have already been hurt by the devil and his angels. You are not treading on the devil and his angels; They are treading on you and being devoured by the roaring lion (1 Peter 5:8). At any rate, you are doing exactly the opposite to what Jesus said: “Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven. (Luke 10:20). You are rejoicing in all the wrong things. Once again I must ask you – Is you name written in heaven?

    bn wrote:

    You label Dr. Brown as a false prophet and even say that say that she is a wolf in sheep’s clothing, yet the bible says do not judge.Also read Matthew 7:1-5. As Jesus said, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye (Matthew 7:5).

    The Bible says if you do not judge, you are not a mature Christian.

    But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. (1 Corinthians 2:15).

    Matthew 7:1-5 does NOT mean that Christians aren’t allowed to judge. It simply means that you cannot judge others of something while you yourself are doing those very same things. For instance, we cannot judge anyone for hanging on Rebecca Brown’s lips while we ourselves may have placed her on a pedestal and lap up everything she wrote and taught. We can only judge you or her righteously when we do not do the things you are doing. I can assure you, we have always been totally anti Rebecca Brown and her teaching. Therefore, we have never had the Rebecca Brown beam in our own eyes and therefore we are – according to Scripture – allowed to judge you and her righteously and to warn you to remove the Rebecca Brown mote out of your eyes. We urge you to do that before you slither down deeper into Rebecca Brown’s apostasy.

  • Since I was little I seen, jesus, angles, devil, and demons, all the time. Nightmares then I will see Jesus in my dream confused me. Will here voices in my head every single day. I see things on people demons or a light. Before I got saved satan was trying to take me away from Jesus now I am saved I see more and have experience so much. And what i experience with Jesus and Satan the books are true. IF YOU OR ANYONE ARE TRUE FOLLOWER OF CHRIST YOU WILL SEE WHAT JESUS DOES AND WHAT SATAN DOES AS A COUNTERFEIT. JESUS HAD DISCIPLES YOU WILL DO MIGHTY WORKS THEN I JESUS NEEDS PEOPLE TO BRING THE PEOPLE BACK TO JESUS WHAT DOES SATAN DO THE SAME, THINK ABOUT IT HARD AND CLEAR WRITE IT ON PIECE OF PAPER WHAT JESUS AND ANGELS DO FROM THE COUNTERFEIT OF THE ENEMY. NOW IF THIS DOESN’T OPEN TO YOU OR RECEIVE JESUS TRUTH THEN WHERE IS YOUR FAITH. FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD. Its the discerning and receiving from the Lord. We ALL in are lifes walk different paths with Jesus or with satan. We make the choice who we want to serve wanna serve satan you will become a puppet serve Jesus you will be set free. Rebecca brown taught me a lot about spiritual warefare she is true. And Deborah and people talk smack about people is something gotta be careful about when they talk smack. When you see a person in sheep clothing but inside a wolf inside they gossip, seperate Devil gets mad when people EXPOSE the truth. The real true followers OF JESUS CHRIST will not talk smack and pointing fingers at others, but they will pray, discern from what is wrong and right, and most off all pray against what the enemy is doing to deceive those people. This is a battle and hope we get are eyes open. Cause I am tired of people smacking and pointing fingers, when i see that people do that then the one that is pointing fingers at GOTTA be watchful about. There is a battle out there. And if you don’t understand what Rebecca brown or alot of these people come out of then you are living a lie. Cause there is so much stuff out there the enemy, satan, serpent, the demons don’t want us to know they don’t want the evil to be expose, but hey hey hey JESUS Christ will always win. I know satanist, witch craft, witches, all this stuff wanna go against the truth and not show the light in the darkness but hey darkness will never hide the light willl approach and some day and sometime it will come to the service. THe ones that get out of this stuff, DON’T BE AFRAID TO TELL YOUR EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN WE ALL NEED TO HEAR MORE THE TRUTH AND LET THE DARKNESS COME TO LIGHT. AMEN GOD ALMIGHTY, KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS…..

  • Phil

    Rebecca Brown has written very deep truths.

    Holiness and righteousness are part of what she wrote about.
    She has been attacked everywhere, on the internet etc……

    May God protect her for exposing the truth about satan and his kingdom.
    The same people that have written negatively about Dr. Brown are the same people who have written negatively about Watchman Nee.

    I have seen the blind healed and sight restored, the deaf hear, the dumb speak and the crippled walk.

    People should repent and stop speaking evil about anointed servants of GOD.

    Peace.

  • Phil,

    Why do you prefer to follow the teaching of a person who tells lies to her readers when the right thing to do is to follow Jesus Christ?

    Read these articles.

    T. A. McMahon & Kurt Goedelman (Part 2)

    Spider bites

  • Peter

    Kaylene

    You said, “Since I was little I seen, jesus, angles, devil, and demons, all the time. Nightmares then I will see Jesus in my dream confused me. Will here voices in my head every single day. I see things on people demons or a light. Before I got saved satan was trying to take me away from Jesus now I am saved I see more and have experience so much.”

    So what you are saying is that before your were saved (an unbeliever) you saw Jesus, angels, devils and demons and then after you apparently got saved these things intensified? Do you not see what you have done. Did you repent to Jesus Christ and ask for deliverance from these things that were ailing you before you were saved, an unbeliever? No you didn’t. Now you follow a FALSE JESUS (who is none other than Satan), a false gospel (a False Christianity) and now you see even more and experience even more. Please read the following article that DTW-WAP has setup for ones just like yourself that need deliverance. http://www.discerningtheworld.com/seeking-deliverance/ I pray you read it and realise that your ‘experiences’ are not from Jesus. Never were.

  • Hey Peter nice to meet you. We all have discerning differently some used it some don’t from the Lord he brings us different things in are life what we experience and what we been through. What you wrote from the beginning is that I am a seer I see things God is with me and always will be you can’t judge me cause maybe don’t understand or never experience it, we all go through different encounters with JEsus Chrsit he died for us all on the cross and rose again on the third day Are Lord saves… Do not fear for emmanuel are God jesus christ is with us… I don’t like to debate i don’t know you and hope all well with you. I am just a follower of Jesus Christ we are all unique different people. It has not gotten worse now, Father is showing me alot fom wickedness and I know thats my ministry to bring the wickedness thats been bound up in darkness into light. Yes I have seen alot yes alot won’t understand but I know Jesus and he knows me and thats what counts in life , not what people want to hear or anything, but i want to be with Jesus more, Jesus is my life husband, counselor, teacher, my everything. Never give up keep on going keep on racing the race. The world is temporaily hell and heaven is for ever and we will be judged the things we do. on here. Seeing Jesus and Devil and all since I was little, there is a battle for are life’s sometimes I may fall but I know JEsus will pick me up.. Not perfect or won’t claim to be… God bless you Peter.

    Sometimes in life we have to discern the fruits of the spirit. Some people do some people don’t..

    [DTW edit – music youtube video removed]

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Kaylene

    You seem very sincere but I am sorry, you are sincerely wrong. I can’t and won’t fall for your unbiblical sweet talk.

    >> “We all have discerning differently some used it some don’t from the Lord he brings us different things in are life what we experience and what we been through.”

    No this is not true, the Holy Spirit that abides in each and every born again believer will discern the exact same thing. The Holy Spirit will not give on message to one believer and another message to another.

    >> “What you wrote from the beginning is that I am a seer I see things God is with me and always will be you”

    A seer a clairvoyant call it what you will. The fact is before you were saved, a heathen you had this ability. Did you ask Jesus for forgiveness of this? No apparently you did not and you are still a clairvoyant / seer disguised under the banner of Christianity.

    >> “you can’t judge me cause maybe don’t understand or never experience it”

    I can’t judge you? Says who, says you? We are all called to JUDGE RIGHTEOUSLY please read this article about Judging. As Christians We Must Judge Righteously

    I understand fully well what you are speaking about so do not try and tell me I have to experience what you are going through in order to say if it’s biblical or not. The fact is Kaylene what you are experiencing/seeing is unbilbical.

    You say, “we all go through different encounters with JEsus”

    No we do not, all born again Christians go through the EXACT SAME process when they are born again. You speak about an ‘encounter with Jesus’ – this is typical New Age talk. They too ‘encounter a Jesus’ but it’s not the Jesus of the Bible.

    >> “I am just a follower of Jesus Christ we are all unique different people.”

    More New Age Talk, “I am a follower of Jesus” and just because we are all unique people does not mean that each of us reads the bible differently. Oh heaven forbid. Jesus is the WAY, the TRUTH and the LIFE. Notice THE TRUTH, not many truths. There is only 1 interpretation of the bible, not many different interpretations for each unique person.

    You say, “Yes I have seen alot yes alot won’t understand but I know Jesus and he knows me and thats what counts in life ,”

    I do understand, this is why I ask you to repent of this clairvoyance you have. You say you know Jesus yet you preach the gospel of Calvinism which is an attack on the gospel of JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF. What counts in life is not that you know Jesus, what counts is you love your God with all your heart and soul and FOLLOW HIS COMMANDMENTS. You are not following His commandments Kaylene.

    >> “but i want to be with Jesus more, Jesus is my life husband,”

    Jesus is not your life husband, where on earth did you get this blasphemy from? Are you going to be a nun and remain celibate for your husband ‘Jesus?’. I know that Joyce Meyer teaches that Jesus is actually your boyfriend – this is false teaching through and through.

    >> “Seeing Jesus and Devil and all since I was little, there is a battle for are life’s sometimes”

    Yes the battle is for your life Laylee, you are still under a satanic spell, ask Jesus for forgiveness and seek deliverance of this curse that hangs over you.

    >> “Sometimes in life we have to discern the fruits of the spirit. Some people do some people don’t..”

    How do you discern the fruits of the spirit Kaylene? By looking at the good works people produce, do you call that good fruit? It matters not what is being preached, as long as there is so called ‘good fruit’ being produced. Did you also know that you get bad fruit? It looks good on the outside but inside it’s rotten to the core. This bad fruit comes from those who believe and preach a false doctrine, like Calvinism and then believe they are saving souls. Bad fruit will be your ministry Kaylene because you think you are helping people by seeing demons etc, but its not helping one bit, it’s not biblical.

  • Patrick

    Hi there,

    While I may not agree 100% with the claims by Ms. Brown, I agree with much of what she is saying. The problem I have with you Deborah is that you seem not to agree with the gifts of the Holy Spirit that have been out-poured to Christians for the edification of the body of Jesus Christ. Kindly, I would advise you to reconsider your comments about believers not being able to cast out demons or pray for healing for other believers. Secondly, much of what I see here is differences doctrinal or theological exegesis which people waste time debating on trivial matters. For instance, in US you’d hear of pants while in Britain, you’d hear of trousers. They are one and the same just that we choose to see them differently. God through the Holy Spirit has equipped different people with different gifts to advance His kingdom.

  • Patrick,

    Jesus’ exhortation to “take heed that no man deceive you” can hardly be .likened to the trivial “difference” between “pants” and “trousers.” Or are her arrogant and high-minded claims also just a triviality? It is said that on numerous occasions she stated to her patients that she was “chosen” by God as the only physician able to diagnose certain ailments and conditions which other physicians could not because the other physicians, including physicians from Ball Memorial Hospital in Muncie, Indiana and St. John’s Medical Center in Anderson, Indiana were, in fact, “demons, devils and other evil spirits” themselves. Humility, I may add, is something you learn when following Jesus (Matthew 11:29). Arrogance, conceit, superiority, and haughtiness are all traits that stick to you like a nit when you follow your own insights.

    If the following comment on her official Facebook page does not open your eyes, then you should indeed learn how to discern between “pants” and “trousers.”

    My Brothers and Sisters. I’ve been asked about these anti-christian groups or movements. You can find out who they are very easily if you want to. My intention is first and foremost for the salvation of all the leaders and followers of these groups. I will list the names of our Brothers and Sisters IN CHRIST, that these evil men and women are coming against. We need to pray a hedge of protection around all of the GODLY MINISTRIES that are being attacked. The list of our GODLY BROTHERS AND SISTERS under attack by Satan are as follow!

    Bill Gothard, Joyce Meyers, Beth Moore, Benny Hinn, Mary Kathrine Baxter, T.D.Jakes, Rick Joyner, End-time Handmaidens, Rod Parsley, Paula and Randy White, Smith Wigglesworth, Kansas City Fellowship, The Pensacola Revival, John Todd, Norman Vincent Peale, Watchman Nee, House Church Ministries, David Hunt, Austin Miles, Charismatics, Word Of Faith Movement, Faith Healers, Hannah Hurnard, Discernment Ministries (except themselves), John Hagee, Maranatha David Wilkerson, Oral Roberts, Roberts Liardon, Any type of Witnessing, All Prophetic Gifts of The Holy Spirit, And the list keeps going on and on.
    Official Rebecca Brown Page – Facebook – 12-17-13

    This proves beyond any doubt that Rebecca Brown has no discernment whatsoever.

    1) Bill Gothard was accused of having sexually harassed more than 30 women.

    2) Joyce Meyer’s apostasy is worse than Bill Gothard’s sins because spiritual harlotry exceeds it’s infamy by far. Her belief that Jesus went to hell after his crucifixion and obtained man’s salvation in hell and not on the cross is spiritual harlotry par excellence. And so also is her belief that she is sinless. http://www.discerningtheworld.com/category/peoples-names-all-names/peoples-names-letter-j/joyce-meyer/

    3) Benny Hinn, together with Kenneth Copeland, Rodney Howard Brown and Jessie Duplantis, have all been exposed as undercover satanists who frequently make the satanic hand sign to invoke curses on their audiences.

    Watch this YouTube Video.

    4) Mary Katherine Baxter. She is another one who claimes to have been visited by Jesus and taken on a special site seeing tour of heaven and hell. Anyone who dares to question her experience are warned as follows in her book “A Divine Revelation of hell.”

    a) She claims she was chosen by God “to write and make a record” of “the reality of hell” so that “many may be saved, many will repent of their evil ways before it is too late” (p.10).
    b) “It was for this purpose” she was born (p.12).
    c) In other words, God views her as an indispensable instrument to proclaim the Gospel. This supposedly makes her equal to Jesus Christ whose unique birth was indispensable for the establishment and preaching of the Gospel.
    d) Her arrogant claim of being chosen to tell the world that “hell is real” suggests the Bible doesn’t already tell us of the reality of hell.
    e) Her testimony, therefore, about the reality of hell is somehow a new revelation of God to her.

    You can do your own research to see how the other persons (with the exception of Dave Hunt) and their ministries twist and distort God’s Gospel.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Patrick

    I do not disagree with the gifts of the Holy Spirit, where do you get this from? Did I say so? No. If you want healing you go directly to Jesus Christ for healing, if you want deliverance you go directly to Jesus Christ for deliverance. Do you have a problem going directly to Jesus Christ for healing and deliverance? or do you prefer a middle man that goes to Jesus Christ for you?

  • Patrick

    Dear Deborah,

    Lets say that for all arguments sake you are right. The bible exhorts us that to not think highly of ourselves for in so doing we my err and break away from the truth. I do not know whether you have anything personal against this lady, but your comments pretty sum it up. Remember nobody is above reproach and its important to have subjectivity in analysis and debates otherwise we may become wise in our own eyes. Good luck in exposing the false teachers/teachings but remember to moderate your comments and make them less personal. NB. I do not know the lady I just read her books.

    Good luck and God bless you.

  • Patrick,

    As you say, nobody is above reproach and that’s why we should be Bereans who constantly test all things against the Word of God. The Bible is our only compass to know whether we are on the right path or not. Like you, I do not know the lady personally and cannot see her heart. However we are admonished to test her doctrines in the light of the Word of God. I proved to you that she has no discernment whatsoever in her eulogy of false teachers.

    What is more important to you – the integrity and honor of God and his Word or the subjective analyses of a lady who seems to be sincere but is in fact sincerely wrong? If God Himself has exalted his Word above his Name, how much more should we exalt his Word above our own names and above the name of a dear lady who has some subjectivity in her analyses? (Psalm 138:1).

    How odd of you. First you wish us luck in exposing false teachers and then you scold us to have some subjectivity in our analyses.

    By the way, you seem to be a big fan of Søren Kierkegaard and his philosophy on subjectivity?

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Dear Patrick

    I have nothing against Rebecca Brown except for the fact that she is leading thousands of people straight to hell with the words that she speaks and writes into her books for people to read.

    Ephesians 4:29 “Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.”

    Matthew 12:34 “O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh”.

    If a person preaches a false gospel, it’s because their heart is full of evil.

    I speak against her false teaching and warn others. The bible warns you:

    Matthew 7:15 “Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.”

    >> NB. I do not know the lady I just read her books.

    Yes you do know her, what she writes in her books is what is in her heart.

    Romans 16:18 “For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.”

  • Dove Duncan

    Shalom Deborah
    I am interceding for you now…May you hear from the LORD personally before you mercilessly assassinate beloved children of God like Dr.Rebecca Brown and other true servants of God. Aren’t you hurting your own body and grieving the Spirit of God? May you be delivered from every spirit that is from the Father of Lies. Guard your own salvation with fear and trembling and spend much time in God’s presence to hear clearly from Him. Christ is returning for His bride very son, ARE YOU READY?? Peace be upon you.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Dove

    >> I am interceding for you now…

    I do not accept your prayer. In fact you can ‘intercede’ until you turn blue, it’s useless.

    Mark 8:33 “…Get thee behind me, Satan: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but the things that be of men.”

  • Vanessa

    I was one of the lucky ones when it came to Rebecca Brown. Read one of her books some 20 years ago and it scared the living day lights out of me resulting in me throwing it away after a small voice in my spirit said “BECAREFUL”.

    My sheep hear my voice and I know them and they follow me. John 10 verse 27. Thats my story of Miss Brown and her book “He came to set the captives Free.” Thank you Lord for watching over me and for keeping me from danger. I obeyed that small voice and still do to this day. For me its only the Word and the Holy Spirit and the armour of God.

    Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. “For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it. Mathew 7 verse 14. How many find it………A FEW. Are you one of the few. Do you see the church numbers as a few.? Its worth thinking about.

  • Greetings beloveds of the Lord,

    May we walk in the peace of the Lord.
    Right now we see in parts and only when the Lord will come shall we see in wholeness.
    We can debate, but the Lord uses all things for our good, He was not limited that He used the prostitute to save the nation of Israel.

    So please can we not act like we are the makers and creators of this earth. Instead of pointing figures, may we please pray for one another and seek to strengthen the body of Christ.
    Romans 12:5
    1 Corinthians 12:27

    Blessings,

    Nekulu

  • Nekulo,

    What would you do when one of your kids took a wrong turn in his/her life and you knew it would end in disaster? Are you going to warn them of the path they had taken and do everything in your power to bring them to their senses? Or are you going to lament “Oh I can only see in parts the error of my kid’s ways and only when the Lord will come shall we see his/her errors in wholeness. So, carry on regardless my little angels?” If you don’t warn them, you are a lousy father. This is what the Bible says.

    Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins. (James 5:20)

    Apparently you are not interested in saving those who err and would rather ask “Am I my brother’s keeper?”

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Nekulu

    >> So please can we not act like we are the makers and creators of this earth

    Excuse me? Are you God? God is the maker and creator of this earth, not you. You have fallen for Satan’s lie when he spoke to Eve in the garden of Eden.

    Genesis 3:5 “For God does know that in the day you eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and you shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.”

  • [Unknown who is Kaylene (trying to hide under a different name)

    We have deleted your comment because we do not allow witches to come here and try curse us. If you want to comment and ask viable questions you may do so, but divination is not biblical, you see visions from Satan.

    John 8:44 “You are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and stayed not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.”]

  • Laiza Lunday

    [deleted – seriously? All your comments are deleted because you are downright nasty and typing in uppercase is what is most commonly called SHOUTING.]

  • Vernon Shirley

    Dear Sir / Madam

    I am a bit unsure as to the purpose of your article against Dr Brown is. I remember as a young Christian reading the book and feeling very relieved and hopeful. I am sure that she had many experiences that made sense to her/them at the time and I am sure that they also may have made many mistakes that, given the opportunity, they would do differently today. Here is the message I got.
    • Satan is evil and would do almost anything to destroy the message and good works of God.
    • People are caught when they are unaware and or weak.
    • Jesus Christ came to set us free from that and He uses people like you, me and Rebecca as his hands and feet.

    As I started my walk with the Lord, I found many of the things in her book was maybe not applicable to my life and I found my own way. That does not make her experiences any less unreal or practical in the things she had to face (You were not their and you may have better faith and understanding than what she had at the time). You refer for instance to God that could not do something for her a the time and then you make a statement that her god is weak, but even the disciples could not drive out all sorts of demon’s. Jesus said some interventions needed fasting and prayer. This goes to the faith level of people, not God’s ability. Even so, I am sure that is what she felt at the time she heard. That does not make it wrong.

    In my opinion, Rebecca is doing more for the Lord than most…Read her books prayerfully and carefully ask the Holy Spirit to guide and use common sense when finding yourselves in a similar predicament.

    Yours in Christ
    Vernon Shirley

  • Vernon Shirley,

    Do you in anyway endorse the teaching of he following persons?
    Bill Gothard,
    Joyce Meyers,
    Beth Moore,
    Benny Hinn,
    Mary Kathrine Baxter,
    T.D.Jakes,
    Rick Joyner,
    End-time Handmaidens,
    Rod Parsley,
    Paula and Randy White,
    Smith Wigglesworth,
    Kansas City Fellowship,
    The Pensacola Revival,
    John Todd,
    Norman Vincent Peale,
    Watchman Nee,
    Austin Miles,
    Word Of Faith Movement,
    Hannah Hurnard,
    John Hagee,
    Oral Roberts,
    Roberts Liardon,

  • Hi Thomas. First of all let me say how much I appreciate you answering to my Reply…thanks. As I am an ordinary Christian that is just just hinging in their, I do not mean to pick a fight with anyone but the Enemy, Satan. You guys sound very sincere and I also know that it is important to make sure that all the preachers out their do not intentionally mislead the people…well done! Rebecca Brown MD has a very specific place in the ministry. If you have been involved in the occult, she is right up your ally. Read by the wrong person at the wrong time, I agree, her teachings could be seen as dangerous…sure!

    To answer your question above, yes I have listened to most of them. I am a great follower of Joyce Meyers and definitely would endorse her…sure. I like Benny Hinn (although he can be controversial at times), T.D Jakes has some good stuff. The rest of them I have heard of and listened to some of their stuff. Do I think they are perfect, by no means. Do I think that most of them have good hearts and love the Lord, I have no doubt. Even Jimmy Swaggered loves the Lord. Are they human with feet of clay…for sure.

    How do you feel about Madonna, Led Zeppelin, Ozzy Osborn…get my point? As long as they are fighting the good fight, I will back them each (until they are truly discovered to be wolfs in sheep clothing). I live by 2 Rules in this regard.
    1) Each of them will have to answer to the Lord some day for what they have said and what they did in His Holy name.
    2) I have the Holy Spirit on call 24/7. It is my duty to run everything I am unsure of by Him. This way, even if I get the wrong end of the stick, I know that I will be ok.

    One person you have left off your list that I have HUGE MEGA UBER respect for is KENT HOVIND. He is the first preacher that has kept me focused. I have studied most of what he has published and follow his blog http://www.2peter3.com like a hawk. This is a man that is prepared to suffer for his believes and tolerate no compromise…ever!

  • Vernon Shirley,

    One thing I know. Your are “shirley” not obeying the Lord Jesus who said ” Take heed that no man deceive you.” (Matthew 24:4). But you “shirley” seem to like it when false teachers mislead you. I can only say: “Carry on regardless and enjoy your deception.”

  • Prophetess Doreen Martin

    Andrew Smith wrote:

    Your just a big plain liar.Jesus has given the power to all who believe in Him to cast out demons and heal the sick.if i was unsure before,now i know you are a liar.Because k am sure that you just as well as I also know this.That the disciples caught someone casting out demons in Jesus name and they stopped him.they told this to Jesus but Jesus told them not to do that again because he was with Jesus by virtue of doing what he did.Or have you also forggotten that the disciples themselves tried to cast out a demon from a possessd boy but the could not.Then Jesus came and casted out the demon.And they asked,”Lord,why wer’nt we able to cast it out?”And then Jesus said to them,”because you did not believe”Get it?And these signs shall follow them who BELIEVE.Not “a just only a few apostles whom He chose specially”You are a liar and a deciever following the steps the one who is the father of a lies.telling lies upon lies unto this generation.There is a spiritual battle going on and be you rest assurred,you will loose.saying put on the armour of God yourself.well that is true.but know this,no man can ever successfully do this unless God helps him.true.we should put it on consciously and also make a real effort to put on Gods armour in our lives.but we have to pray to God to help us do it too.or have you forggotten the words that will never pass away,”NOT BY POWER,NOT BY MIGHT,BUT BY MY SPIRIT SAYETH THE LORD GOD OF HOSTS”?????????????????????????????

    I myself got real angry in my spirit when i read this JUNK. Who are you to try so hard to discredit God’s servant. Be careful. You need to be born again. Pls study to show yourself approved…. Stop….YOUR OPINION DOESN’T COUNT. what does the word of God says or do u fall in the category of those who suffer because of the lack of knowledge. I can attest to everything that Rebecca writes in her book. IT IS TRUE. REBECCA BROWN IS TRULY A WOMAN OF GOD CALLED BY GOD, LIKE MYSELF, TO SET PEOPLE LIKE YOU FREE….YOU NEED DELIVERANCE!!!!!!!

  • Doreen Martin,

    You don’t have to believe the author of this article. Many others say the very same things about Rebecca Brown. Read this article.

    Casting out demons means nothing. In fact, it can lead you to hell.

    Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

    Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

    And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. (Matthew 7:21-23)

  • ruby

    Hello everyone,
    You know, now i don’t know anymore what to believe about the book with all your comments. But what I can see is that you people (at least that’s how it seems) are really seeking the truth of God and trying to find your way with him, learning and proofing any teachings. In some ways I’m with Shirley reading things and proofing them before the Lord seems reasonable. I believe we don’t need to be so much afraid of things, if we really want to follow Jesus, if our heart is directed to God, he uncover all false teachings and lead us on the right path.

    I still don’t know what I should believe from this book and what not but there are some truths in it and I can say that because I have read it the same way in other books from Christians (mentioning joice meyers). It’s good I have read it and it’s good I have read what other christians write about it and now I will go before the Lord, pray, read the Bible, listen to christians and read other christian books to find out more aboit God and his truth. The good thing about the book anyway, it made us talk about God and his kindom. I just wish it could sometimes be more like brothers and sisters rather than enemies accusing and blaming each other, sometimes even judging about someone you don’t even know and in the end even people who would share the same opinion get at each other… I sometimes read youtube comments about the music and some of your comments above are not far from that how you treat each other, with no respect. Someone who talks about God should love and respect the other.

    I wish u all God’s rich blessing and a healthy growth in your life with Jesus.
    care and respect,
    Ruby

  • ruby,

    Would you rather have us disobey Jesus Christ and not take heed that anyone deceive us? (Matthew 24:4). Or would you have us warn others about the dangers of false doctrines and to save their souls from death?

    My brothers, if anyone among you wanders from the truth and someone brings him back, let him know that whoever brings back a sinner from his wandering will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins. (James 5:19-20)

  • ruby

    Hi thomas, sure, it is good to tell others if they are on a wrong path but in some of the written texts above I can’t see the love we are supposed to have when we do so. Everyone tries to tell the other that he is not a true believer or what he has seen is wrong. Read the texts carefully, some of you need to apologize to the other for the unpropper things they said and the judging they did. Who are we to judge if someone is delivered or not. It is something else if u say that some people are on a wrong path by showing them what the Bible says than claiming to know what someone you have never seen has experienced or not in his life.
    I’m interested in this discussion because you people know things i don’t and I’m interested in your view, whatever you say that should make sense, I will go and proove before the Lord. But to have a good discussion we need a good base and I find love and respect is a good base for that rather than just trying to show how much you know about God and throw a lot of Bible verses in.
    And Deborah, there is one question bothering me since I read the article and your comments, you seem to know a lot about the Bible so I wondered if you have done some theological education or Bible school and I also would like to know what experiences you have made in the area of satanism and deamons, just common interest since you wrote a lot about it.

    So I hope you understood what I’m trying to say,
    Take care,
    Ruby

  • ruby,

    Can you supply me with some examples where hatred in stead of love was extended to commentators? Is it unloving to quote verses from the Bible?

    THomas

  • ruby

    I didn’t mention the word hatred so please don’t turn around the words I have said. As I was saying, SOME, mark not ALL, have put themselves into the position to judge if someone is delivered or not or what someone has seen or not seen and experienced. And I look at that as plain arrogance, ignorance and sorry but can’t find the love to a brother. I’m not there to point out who has wronged the other, that’s not my right to do so. I just wanted to ask people to watch what they are saying to others and how they are saying it and to look first for their own fault. I’m now not going through and telling everyone what he or she is supposed to do or not to do, you should have the Holy Spirit to do so he is the better judge.

  • ruby

    Oh and about the Bible verses, nothing wrong about them it’s good you know them, just not to use it for own purposes to show others you are a greater person than they are (and again I can’t judge who did that but everyone should ask the Lord if he did) because remember, some of the pharisees also knew and used a lot of Bible verses but not with love for God and other people

  • ruby wrote

    I didn’t mention the word hatred so please don’t turn around the words I have said.

    What is the antonym of love? Accusing us of being unloving and judgmental is to accuse us of being full of hatred. YOu are the one who is judging subjectively and unrigtheously.

  • ruby wrote,

    Oh and about the Bible verses, nothing wrong about them it’s good you know them, just not to use it for own purposes to show others you are a greater person than they are (and again I can’t judge who did that but everyone should ask the Lord if he did) because remember, some of the pharisees also knew and used a lot of Bible verses but not with love for God and other people

    There you go again, judging us subjectively and unrighteously. What on earth gave you the silly idea that we quote verses from Scripture just to show we are greater than others? You are not only subjectively judging us but being downright childish. Grow up and then come back to comment in a more mature manner. I suggest that you quote more directly from Scripture to substantiate your claims. Oh, I’m sorry, you wouldn’t want to do that lest others think your are greater than they. By the way, do you read your Bible? If you had, you wouldn’t say the things you do.

  • franck

    I dont agree with people saying that Dr Brown is a fraud,only God the Father can tell.People say that they are delusions and some claim that they saw Dr Brown injecting herself with something….according to me that is a blatant lie that someone has come up with,come on,unless you are blind,this is a white lie!My advice is keep it to yourself.You all look like 3-year olds arguing about the truth instead of respecting one anothers opinions.

  • franck

    The truth cannot be fathomed by everyone’s opinion. The Bible is the only reliable source to distinguish between the truth and lies. If God the Father was the only one to tell who’s a fraud, Jesus would never have commanded us to take heed that no one deceive us (Matthew 24:4).

    There are many places in the Bible where it tells us to beware of deception. God the Father is not going to do it in your behalf. To believe that God the Father is the only One who can tell who’s a fraud is already a deception.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    franck

    Is this the only thing you have a problem with, that someone said they saw her injecting herself with something? What about all her false teaching? Don’t you have a problem with that?

    The bible is of one opinion and that is God’s; as Christians we are to believe His Word and His alone, not someone else s as well. To say we need to respect each others opinions is like telling Satan he has a right to his opinion and therefore Christians can have a multitude of opinions that go against what God’s opinion is. Nope, it does not work like that. Jesus says He is the Way, the Truth and the Life. Notice it’s all singular, one way, one truth, one life. One narrow path by which you enter heaven, not multiple paths.

  • kelly

    for Deborah and Thomas I got her book for Christmas one thing is for sure when i read her book it open my eyes in a spiritual sense it’s about the devils tactics I am glad to have read her book.Now this does not mean I don’t put God first yes i know Jesus is our savior.Put please Stop acting like a private detective did you go to her home town have you met her before do you know her family you are not 100% sure for you to say those things about her.But your negative comments do not matter for she already published her books the truth has been exposed its time to wake up what have you done deborah and thomas NOTHING NOTHING but to renegade and be negative.This is becoming more common to see people demonize Jesus has the power to cast out the spirits but they need help from people that are strong in the Lord and have capacity to do so or what are you going to do if they show up in your church are you going to do turn them away. I don’t know about your church but in my church Jesus is still performing miracles.

  • kelly

    for Deborah and Thomas I got her book for Christmas one thing is for sure when i read her book it open my eyes in a spiritual sense it’s about the devils tactics I am glad to have read her book.Now this does not mean I don’t put God first yes i know Jesus is our savior.

    I find it rather odd that you need to read a book other than the Bible to open your eyes. Other books do NOT have the authority or the power to open your eyes to spiritual truths. No one here denies that Jesus performs miracles but what you forget is that Satan is also quite capable of performing miracles. Perhaps you should learn what it means to discern between miracles from God and miracles from Satan.

    The problem with Rebecca Brown is that her books are filled with lies she has been telling her readers for many years and, like you, just love to lap it up. Where do lies come from? (John 8:44). Read here.

  • Joseph

    People, I think we should believe what you want to believe and keep all the critics to yourself! Go to your prayer closets and intercede rather then criticizing this article! She has said what she wanted, now it’s our part as readers to just keep our judgements to ourselves!
    But all I assure you is that God will bring justice upon His children and don’t be deceived by anything because even the devil when trying to tempt Jesus used and quoted directly from the word of God but for wrong intentions and for his own benefit.

  • Joseph wrote,

    People, I think we should believe what you want to believe and keep all the critics to yourself! Go to your prayer closets and intercede rather then criticizing this article! She has said what she wanted, now it’s our part as readers to just keep our judgements to ourselves!

    Sorry, but I think your’e wrong. You should always evaluate all the artricles on this site in the light of the Word of God. Most people who read these artricles are so emotionally charged that they usually fail to be Bereans who search the Scriptures daily to see whether these articles tell the truth or not. Here’s a good example. SHARON WHITE wrote:

    YAWN,YAWN. You so boring that I honestly wouldn’t bother reading the junk that you write. its not worth the paper its written on.

    These kinds of comments are not only unfair but reveal the childishness of the commentator. It means nothing because it is emotionally charged. The following Scripture applies:

    For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. (2 Ti 3:6-7)

  • aster

    N.RoseJ wrote:

    Speaking from experience, YES, DEMONS CAN MANIFEST PHYSICALLY, AND YES, YOU CAN TOUCH THEM. I experienced this for myself almost 5.5yrs ago. I was deeply living in a pit of sin most of my life, and it all came to a head in 2009. I had to be exorcized three times, and finally was completely delivered. I give all honor and praise and glory to our Lord Jesus Christ for healing me from a reprobate mind, and so many other things. I NEVER claim to be the things this ‘Brown’ woman does; but I do share that I did see a demon manifest in the physical realm. It appeared as a dark figure, in human form, and rose from the floor of my bedroom. However, it did not stay for more than two minutes. I also want to make clear that the exorcisms were demons that had possessed me. I have always been tormented in my sleep, since childhood, but during this time of my life the manifestations where increasing and became extremely aggressive. After a time of feeling it touch me all over my body, I kept begging for it to leave me alone; (keep in mind now that at this time in my life, I DID NOT belong to Christ; I had given my soul over the satan, without really ‘knowing’ what I had done, until it became so unbearable and frightening I HAD to turn to God…HE WAS THE ONLY WAY FOR ME TO BE SAVED! And He DID save me!) during the begging I was sobbing uncontrollably, reaching my hands in the air, and that is when I PHYSICALLY touched something. I KNOW it was the demon. Nothing hanging over my bed ect…I am not sticking up for this false prophet in any way, don’t get me wrong. But I did want to clarify that DEMONS ARE REAL. I also wanted to tell you that YOU are right in what you said…that, “First you communicate with the ones you can’t see and as you become more skilled in your witchcraft they presented themselves to you in physical form?” YES, THAT IS EXACTLY TRUE and how it happens!

  • aster,

    When Jesus delivered demon possessed people He did it with a single word. He never made a spiel of it telling people a bunch of lies to get their attention. Rebecca Brown fabricated many lies in her books to sell her books and to make a lot of money. I have already placed this link. Here is an excerpt.

    You know, also during that time, in the 1980s, there were those who were being set free from the various cult groups like Jehovah’s Witnesses and Mormons, and they were establishing ministries specifically targeted to the groups they left, and so this allowed us the opportunity to refocus our attention into other matters, because these men and women were doing a fine job of providing research and resources on those mainline cults. And then I guess that kind of a turning point for us was in 1989 when we kind of added a new ingredient and that was investigative reporting. We had begun to receive a flood of inquiries about Rebecca Brown and her sidekick Elaine. Elaine claims to have been a prominent witch, and she was even married to Satan; she says Satan materialized a human body for the union. And her books were popular, and they were being published by Jack Chick, who was famous for those cartoon tracts. And really, Brown’s theology of demons and spiritual warfare were off the charts. You know, she saw a demon under every rock and said everyone that addressed her unbiblical doctrine and practice was secretly a Satanist or at least working in conjunction with them, and her background and the historical facts that she present in her books, they were very vague and very elusive, and so we tried to follow up, based on the requests that we received. We tried to follow up on the geographic and historical claims, but we kept running into dead ends.

    And one day I was having a conversation with a fellow that was head of another apologetic ministry in the Chicago area, and he said, “Well, you know, if you start searching out Ruth Bailey, not Rebecca Brown, you might meet with some more success.” And so we took his advice and, man, the floodgates opened up for us. Rebecca Brown, whose real name was Ruth Bailey, was a medical doctor in rural Indiana, and her medical license had been stripped because of this bizarre behavior. And so myself and another PFO director visited the medical licensing board in Indiana and asked if we could see what information they had on Ruth Bailey, and they asked, “Well, what interest do you have? What’s your reason for this?” And so we explained to them, and they said, “Well, come back here,” and they took us back into a conference room, and they said, “Wait here.”

    And several minutes later, they brought this massive file into us and set it down in front of us and said, “Here it is. If you need any more help, let us know.” And so we spent hours going through those documents, and they yielded affidavits, they yielded police reports, hospital reports, family contacts, on and on. And so we literally spent days in Indiana speaking to the police, family members, and other authorities, and so we let a publishing [company] know the results of our investigation in our newsletter publication, and actually, subsequently in a small booklet, Drugs, Demons, and Delusions , and then both Brown and Jack Chick argued that we were really witches and Satanists, and the materials that we cited, we made that all up; that was all fabricated, and the authorities that we talked to, the family members we talked to were all Satanists!

    If you want to know how Jesus dealt with demon possession, read your Bible and not some books that tell you a bunch of lies.

    Please read this article too.

    Are you going to continue to read books filled with lies or the truth as we find it in the Bible?

  • Damaris

    Vernon Shirley wrote:

    Dear Sir / Madam
    I am a bit unsure as to the purpose of your article against Dr Brown is. I remember as a young Christian reading the book and feeling very relieved and hopeful. I am sure that she had many experiences that made sense to her/them at the time and I am sure that they also may have made many mistakes that, given the opportunity, they would do differently today. Here is the message I got.
    • Satan is evil and would do almost anything to destroy the message and good works of God.
    • People are caught when they are unaware and or weak.
    • Jesus Christ came to set us free from that and He uses people like you, me and Rebecca as his hands and feet.
    As I started my walk with the Lord, I found many of the things in her book was maybe not applicable to my life and I found my own way. That does not make her experiences any less unreal or practical in the things she had to face (You were not their and you may have better faith and understanding than what she had at the time). You refer for instance to God that could not do something for her a the time and then you make a statement that her god is weak, but even the disciples could not drive out all sorts of demon’s. Jesus said some interventions needed fasting and prayer. This goes to the faith level of people, not God’s ability. Even so, I am sure that is what she felt at the time she heard. That does not make it wrong.
    In my opinion, Rebecca is doing more for the Lord than most…Read her books prayerfully and carefully ask the Holy Spirit to guide and use common sense when finding yourselves in a similar predicament.
    Yours in Christ
    Vernon Shirley

  • Damaris,

    Vernon Shirley may have made some good points but the fact remains that Rebecca Brown cannot be trusted. As I indicated in some of my earlier comments she fabricated some strange stories to sell her books and make a lot of money.
    Why do you need books written by someone who is untrustworthy to explain to you –
    • Satan is evil and would do almost anything to destroy the message and good works of God.
    • People are caught when they are unaware and or weak.
    • Jesus Christ came to set us free from that and He uses people like you, me and Rebecca as his hands and fee –
    while the Bible does it truthfully and to the point?

  • Wendy

    “Obeying God’s commandments and in doing so guard yourself” refers to not being dependent to the Lord Jesus Christ and being dependent on our own which I believe is anti-Christ. I believe each of us need to examine what we do to see by the power of the Holy Spirit. Only He can give us clarity on any material we read. Go for hearing from the Holy Spirit than hearing from people because people is sinful in nature and not accurate at all times.

  • anonymous

    pls I don’t think its right to talk about her that way. even if she was false(which I don’t believe) what right do you have to say that about her? pls be careful so that you won’t incur the wrath of God…. Jesus loves you.

  • anonymous,

    Yes indeed, Jesus loves you and that’s precisely why He warns you to take heed that no man deceive you (Matthew 24:4). In fact, the wrath of God abides on those who mislead you and not on those who warn you against false teachers.

    Jas 5:19-20 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;
    Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

    It is when you do not warn against false teachers that you lack loving your brethren in a godly way. It is then when you say “Am I my brothers keeper?”

  • aster

    To N Rose
    Your experience is almost the same experience with mine. I was a child when I saw the hands appearing from the floor of my bedroom, in Indonesia. I asked myself whether it was a hallucination, or whether I was dreaming, half dreaming.. I didn’t want to believe this view. But I was able to think perfectly, it means that I was not hallucinating, neither crazy. I don’t know how many seconds or how many minutes, but it is sure that it didn’t last for only a second or two .
    You’ve written “YOU CAN TOUCH THEM”. This point, I don’t know. Because I was in the bed, I didn’t touch them when the hands have appeared from the floor. I was so surprise that I had no idea what to do. I have just observed these phenomena (in thinking whether it was a “hallucination” as I’ve written above).
    Many decades later, when I was in hotel El-Aurassi, in Alger, where I saw the apparition of an old woman with the long white hair trying to enter to my room from the big window glass face to Mediteranian sea. I was no more a child, and I am sure that it was not a hallucination. It was approximately 5:00 a.m.
    To be noted : I am not superstitious man, who swallows easily Satan or God or or other mysterious creatures without any logic or at least minimal scientific explanation based on the methodology of social sciences as taught in the well known Universities.
    Then, I write this to confirm that If what you write is the experience that you have really got, I believe on this strange experience, although it is not scientific, or whatever the other peoples might think (crazy, backward, primitive etc usw dll) !

  • aster

    Thomas Lessing (Watch and Pray / Waak en Bid)wrote on 10 February 2015 :

    0 February, 2015 at 6:41 am
    Quote :
    Aster,
    When Jesus delivered demon possessed people He did it with a single word. He never made a spiel
    of it telling people a bunch of lies to get their attention. Rebecca Brown fabricated many lies
    in her books to sell her books and to make a lot of money. I have already placed t :is link.
    Here is an excerpt.
    “You know, also during that time, in the 1980s, ………we talked to were all Satanists!”

    If you want to know how Jesus dealt with demon possession, read your Bible and not some books that tell you a bunch of lies.

    Please read this article too.

    Are you going to continue to read books filled with lies or the truth as we find it in the Bible?

    Dear Thomas,
    You are right that Rebecca’s book might not contain all truth.
    But it doesn’t mean that the phenomena that she has described are all wrong.
    It is difficult to judge what she has written is all true or all wrong, as the phenomena
    related to the faith, religions, black magic, voodoo, supernatural etc can’t be proved.

    The bible itself is a book containing the strange-unlogic-mysterious stories for the atheists,
    the non Christians, and the majority of the peoples in Europe in this 22nd century, who might
    say that Bible is the book filled with lies + fairy stories. The churches are empty in western countries. Have you never seen the churches which had been sold and transformed into the pubs
    or the bars ?

    I still believe the Bible, but not the whole, as well as I can believe A PART (not all)
    of the phenomena or the events (Satanic organizations) described in Rebecca Book. She might
    be written it, partly based on her own experience, partly on her observation (or simple research),that she has blended together with her imagination.

    You suggest me to read my Bible.
    I didn’t read the whole bible. However, I’ll follow your advice that I’ll do it later
    if I have enough time. But many things in the Bible confuse me.
    Maybe you can explain me certain strange teaching written in the Bible as follow :
    “A man whose testicles have been crushed or his virile member has been mutilated,
    must not be included among Lord’s people” (Deuteronome 23:2).
    First : This verse is strange and funny.
    Second : If the men whose the testicles are crushed aren’t included
    among the Lord’s people, It is logic that the priests have to control
    the men before they are admitted into the Assembly of the God’s followers.
    How the priest control them ? Must the priests stand in front the Churches
    and control every men’s testicles before they are admitted ?

    So, Bible, Rebecca Brown’s book. .. Mysterious, enigmatic, ambigeous…

    sometime understandable, sometime uncomprehensible.

    ——–

  • Chrissy

    I read one of her books years ago when I was a young Christian. The book made me feel really uneasy and I felt it so strongly that I threw it in the dustbin! I then did some research on her (can’t remember what I found out it was so long ago), but it was enough to not touch her books ever again!

  • aster,

    I have begun to write a response to your comment. Please be patient.

  • aster wrote:

    I still believe the Bible, but not the whole, as well as I can believe A PART (not all)

    I must in all honesty say that you cannot believe certain parts of the Bible and discard the parts that do not fit into your way of thinking. A truly saved person believes that God inspired the entire Bible and that it is infallible.

    All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. (2 Timothy 3:16-17)

    Yes indeed, there are passages in Scripture that are difficult to interpret/understand. However, that does not mean we should discard those passages. You mentioned Deut 23:1 which reads as follows in the ESV.

    “No one whose testicles are crushed or whose male organ is cut off shall enter the assembly of the LORD.

    To understand this passage we need to look at the custom of self-mutilation among pagans when God redeemed Israel from their bondage to slavery in Egypt and their subsequent establishment in the Promised Land. God forbade the Israelite who were to be a holy (set apart) nation for Him to practice the things the pagans practiced in their religious systems.

    “And ye shall not walk in the manners of the nation, which I cast out before you: for they committed all these things, and therefore I abhorred them.” Leviticus 20:23

    One of the things God detested was self-mutilation or any other cuttings in the flesh.

    “They shall not … make any cuttings in their flesh.” Leviticus 21:5
    “Ye are the children of the LORD your God: ye shall not cut yourselves.” Deuteronomy 14:1

    You may ask, isn’t circumcision a form of mutilation? There is a vast difference between God ordering you to do something and you deciding to do something of your own accord. When God orders something that may seem to be odd and out of place to us, we must bear in mind that his commands always have a specific purpose, especially in the design of His redemption of humankind.

    What did circumcision in the Old Testament have to do with salvation? Absolutely nothing. However, when we take into account that the Jewish nation always sought after a sign (1 Corinthians 1:22), it is easy to understand why God gave them a sign in the flesh so as to remind them of the only means He designed for their salvation.

    Circumcision points to the following: 1) that their Redeemer and Messiah (God) would come in the flesh and that He would be a male child; 2) that His blood would flow to procure their salvation; 3) that salvation involves severance from sin, death and eternal perdition in hell.

    An uncircumsised man child was cut off (severed) from his people (Genesis 17:14), the reason being that uncircumcision disowned/rejected/renounced God’s only way of salvation through His Son Jesus Christ (in the Old Testamwent for the Jews).

    God nearly killed Moses because he failed to circumcise one of his sons.

    At a lodging place on the way the LORD met him and sought to put him to death. Then Zipporah took a flint and cut off her son’s foreskin and touched Moses’ feet with it and said, “Surely you are a bridegroom of blood to me!” (Exodus 4:24-25).

    Do you see the connection? Jesus Christ is the believers’ Bridegroom of blood.

    Now, let us backtrack to what I had said earlier. A male person whose organ had been cut off in reverent worship of their pagan gods, and any Israelite who followed this abominable practice, could not be circumcised. That’s rather obvious, isn’t it? As such, they were cut off from the people’s assembly when they came together to worship God.

    Does that mean they were forever cut off from God and his salvation? Absolutely not!

    Let not the foreigner who has joined himself to the LORD say, “The LORD will surely separate me from his people”; and let not the eunuch say, “Behold, I am a dry tree.” For thus says the LORD: “To the eunuchs who keep my Sabbaths, who choose the things that please me and hold fast my covenant, I will give in my house and within my walls a monument and a name better than sons and daughters; I will give them an everlasting name that shall not be cut off. (Isa 56:3-5).

    You asked:

    If the men whose . . . testicles are crushed aren’t included among the Lord’s people, It is logic that the priests have to control the men before they are admitted into the Assembly of . . . God’s followers. How the priest control them? Must the priests stand in front the Churches and control every men’s testicles before they are admitted?

    No, there was no need for the men to drop their pants so that the priests could examine them before they entered the assembly. It was incumbent on the person himself to visit a priest whenever he had any defect, including castration. Another thing to remember is that God’s judgements in the Old Testament were swift and immediate. The Israelite knew this very well and out of reverent fear of the Lord they would never try to sneak into an assembly. They knew that God knew and would never try to hide their defects from Him for fear of his swift judgements if they should enter an assembly.

    And no creature is hidden from his sight, but all are naked and exposed to the eyes of him to whom we must give account. (Heb 4:13)

    Your concluding remarks are:

    So, Bible, Rebecca Brown’s book. .. Mysterious, enigmatic, ambigeous…

    sometime understandable, sometime uncomprehensible.

    To compare Rebecca Brown’s books to the Word of God is dangerous. What you are saying in effect is the following:

    Rebecca Brown’s books are as mysterious, enigmatic and ambiguous as the Bible, sometimes ununderstandable, sometimes uncomprhensible and therefore we may read her books as we read the Bible – with a pinch of salt.

    Are you saved? The Bible says:

    But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. (1 Co 2:14)

    In order to know and understand the things of the spirit, you must have the Spirit of God dwelling in you. People who are not saved do not have His Holy Spirit.

    But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. (Rom 8:9)

  • aster

    Thanks for Thomas Leesing’s the explanation.
    However, our points of views are maybe not the same.
    For you, Bible is everything. As one of a priest has said : “All in the Bible,
    everything, every coma and every point, all contain the truth !”
    I don’t get use to swallow everything .
    When you read the book of Rebecca Brown, you use the brain + maybe the intuition to
    detect certain anomalies or bizzarrery that your education (in your case, you use the
    Bible as the reference. What is not in the Bible is wrong, what is in the Bible is right).
    I agree with you that many things in Rebecca’s book come from her own imagination. What she
    has written is not based fully on her experience of life. Nevertheless, I can’t judge that
    all she has written is only lie. When I begun reading it, it was interesting. Demon, satan,
    these creatures , that she pretends meeting (or maybe she met them really -it is hard
    to verified-).

    They exist, these demons, as well as satanic organizations exist (The church of la Vey’s
    satanic poser might be insignificant comparatively to the satanic churches existing based on
    the traditional mystical power rooted deeply in Africa or Asia whose demons are really used).
    Rebecca Brown has described interestingly the satanic Cults in the United States.
    Regardless of what she has written is her whole true story (as she pretends) or
    maybe her imagination or the mixture of the true story and her pure imagination,
    It is interesting.
    She has the talent to be writer (effectivement, she is a writer).
    But in keeping reading that book progressively I found it more an more bizarre, so that
    I begun question myself : “Does her book contain ALL her real story, as she pretends ?”.

    You’ve explained the verse of Testicles (Deuteronome 23:1). That’s ok.

    Adam & Eva stories, le déluge, Noah built the Arch as his house and his Zoo (harbouring
    millions of animals, from a couple of ants to variety of Dinosaurs species -I suppose-).
    Any healthy human being in this era surely understand well that this Mega Zoo must be much
    bigger than any modern aircraft carrier).
    I don’t know whether God dictated the writer of these stories to write it as God
    told him, or it comes from the brain of this writer himself.
    Nevertheless, it doesn’t mean that the whole Bible is only a bunch of lies, as we can
    consider that certain Truth is taught in the Bible. At least, 10 Commandments of God as
    written in the Bible are not a bad thing for us, as well as it suggests us to avoid satanic
    cults, not practicing the black magic, voodoo, sorcery etc .
    So, you are right in stating that : we discard the part of the Bible that do not fit in
    our way of thinking (as I rejected certain parts of Rebecca stories which don’t fit in our
    way of thinking).

  • aster,

    To reitereate what I said before: “I must in all honesty say that you cannot believe certain parts of the Bible and discard the parts that do not fit into your way of thinking. A truly saved person believes that God inspired the entire Bible and that it is infallible.”

    If you don’t believe that the Bible was inspired in its entirity by God, you cannot claim to be saved. (Numbers 23:19).

    Please read this article.

  • Cass

    I’m no saint but what I do know is this that calling one another evil is not right. Attacking and slandering each other is not right either. How is that Godly aren’t we called to love one another as Christ loved us?. All I know is before reading any book no matter who the author is or what the books about prayer about it first especially when it comes to Christian books. Secondly only God knows our hearts we can’t go running around and judging one another especially if we don’t know the person personally weather that person is preaching or writing the truth or not. God will reveal that. I haven’t been a Christian long but I’m learning and putting into practice what you learn from the Holy Spirit isn’t easy. One thing I do know is that if we seek God with all that we are He shall reveal Himself to you and sometimes we got to dig deep to get to the truth. I don’t know much and I’m still learning but sometimes we just need to shut up and do the seeking ourselves before breaking/mislead somebody cause we will be held accountable for that.

  • Cass wrote,

    I’m no saint but what I do know is this that calling one another evil is not right.

    I can appreciate the fact that you are a young Christian and still learning. However, you should know by now that Jesus said to Peter,

    But when he had turned about and looked on his disciples, he rebuked Peter, saying, Get thee behind me, Satan: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but the things that be of men. (Mar 8:33)

    Would you rather have us call Rebecca Brown Satan?

    Jude, the brother of Jesus said,

    These [false apostles, prophets and teachers] are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots; Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever. (Jud 1:12-13).

    Would you rather have us call Rebecca Brown “twice dead?”

    Cass wrote:

    How is that Godly aren’t we called to love one another as Christ loved us?. All I know is before reading any book no matter who the author is or what the books about prayer about it first especially when it comes to Christian books.

    Does Christ love us to the extent that He wants us to be led into temptation and false doctrines? I really don’t think so. He actually wants us not to be misled by false apostles, prophets and teachers. In fact, He commanded us to take heed that no one deceives us (Matthew 24:4). The onus is on us not to be deceived. He is not going to do it for us. He has given us all the resources – his Holy Spirit, The Bible and discernment – to be able to know what is from Him and what not (1 John 4:1). Praying before reading a book is good. You must even pray before you read the Bible. However, you should never rely on your prayer to guide you into all truth. That is the work of the Holy Spirit (John 16:13).

    Cass wrote:

    Secondly only God knows our hearts we can’t go running around and judging one another especially if we don’t know the person personally weather that person is preaching or writing the truth or not. God will reveal that.

    You don’t need to know the person personally to know whether his teachings are true or false. Do you need to know Queen Elizabeth II to know that she and her family are steeped in the occult? Paul never traveled from country to country so that he may make the acquaintance of all the false teachers he so vehemently withstood and exposed in his letters. God will NOT reveal false doctrine to you whilst we have his written Word to test all things. Jesus would never have said “Take heed that no one deceives you” if God intended to reveal it to you. The onus is still on you to diligently study his Word and to ask Him to give you the wisdom to be able to identify false teachers and their teachings.

    Cass wrote,

    I haven’t been a Christian long but I’m learning and putting into practice what you learn from the Holy Spirit isn’t easy. One thing I do know is that if we seek God with all that we are He shall reveal Himself to you and sometimes we got to dig deep to get to the truth.

    Yep, that’s the right attitude – wanting to learn. However, then you should at least first investigate what Discerning the World has written in the article before you blast and accuse us of being void of real Christian love. Do you know what real Christian love is? Read this.

    Faithful are the wounds of a friend; but the kisses of an enemy are deceitful. (Proverbs 27:6).

    It is your duty as a Berean to evaluate everything we write in the light of the Word and to show us in the light of the Word where we have gone wrong. Don’t just accuse us of things without investigating it first.

  • Goghy

    Certo che devo dire che resto altamente sconcertato dalla persona che si è permessa di scrivere questo post !!
    Prima di tutto dio non ha bisogno di un giudice che lo difenda, ma è in grado di difendersi da solo prima cosa.
    Secondariamente dato che li riconosceremo per i loro frutti, chi sei tu ? che cosa hai fatto per Dio ? Ma non vi vergognate e proprio per persone come voi che il mondo cristiano si sta rivoltando. Adesso ti faccio io una domanda, chi ti ha detto che Rebecca Brown è in errore ? Te l’ha detto lo spirito Santo, hai pregato e Dio ti ha mandata per illuminare noi altri ignoranti ? Vedi di tacere in nome di Gesù e prima di accusare qualcuno esamina per bene la tua coscienza non con il tuo intelletto e la tua conoscenza, ma con quella che arriva da Dio, ma poveri noi si vede che tu non ne hai molta !! Povero mondo … allora invece di criticare gli altri come una serpe, perché non ti metti a pregare per la verità. Tu vuoi solo credere in quello che ti fa comodo ne più ne meno, quanto ti sei impegnata a trovare tutte le cose a stendere una bella lista di accuse fai ridere solamente, e le persone che ti appoggiano, non riesco ad essere uno di quei cristiani che si deve moderare nel parlare perché non sono afflitto da falsità per doverti rispondere gentilmente, ma ti rispondo con tutto il sentimento che non è di odio non fraintendermi ma di compassione. Non voglio neanche una tua risposta in merito, prego per te che il signore ti possa aprire gli occhi! E impara bene a non calunniare contro i ministri, perché tu non offenda lo spirito santo !! Ehhh voi falsi accusatori Dio dice che vi conosceremo per i vostri frutti, critica, zizzania eccc … in italiano si dice siete tutto fumo niente arrosto !!

  • Goghy’s comment translated in English says nothing new about the animosity one encounters when you evaluate everything in the light of God’s word.

    Of course I must say that the text highly disconcerted by the person who is allowed to write this post !!

    First of all, God does not need a judge to defend him, but is able to defend himself [first].

    Secondly, given that we will know them by their fruits, who are you? What did you do for God? But are not you ashamed and just for people like you that the Christian world is turning. Now I’ll have a question, who told you that Rebecca Brown is in error? He told you the Holy Spirit, you prayed and God sent you to enlighten us more ignorant? View of silence in the name of Jesus and before accusing someone looks good for your conscience not with your intellect and your knowledge, but that which comes from God, but poor us you see that you do not have a lot !!

    Poor world … then instead of criticizing others like a snake, why do not you pray for the truth. You just want to believe in what makes you comfortable no more or less, what you committed to finding all things to roll out a nice list of accusations do only laugh, and the people who support you, I can not be one of those Christians you must moderate in speaking because they are not plagued by falsehood for having to respond politely, but I answer with all the feeling that it is not hate but do not misunderstand compassion. I will not even a reply about, pray for you that the gentleman you can open your eyes! And learn well not to slander against the ministers, because you do not offend the holy spirit !! Ehhh you false accusers God says that you know for your fruits, criticism, weeds ect … in Italian is said you are all smoke no fire !!

    Thanks, Goghy for your most insightful tirade.

    First of all, I must ask you – are you a Roman Catholic?

  • Goghy

    No io non sono cattolico romano, e non ho alcuna animosità verso nessuno, ma da ogni parte che mi giro sento sempre delle sentenze sull’operato di qualcuno.
    La mia famiglia ha origine ortodosse, io sono di religione evangelica,( anche se preferisco dire, che è più una relazione con dio, che una religione, Gesù non e morto per una religione ), sai questo è difficilissimo da far capire ai miei familiari che sono ortodossi, perché sono molto quadrati. Vengo dalla Svizzera, non Italia ! :)
    Ho finito proprio ieri di leggere il primo libro di Rebecca, e credimi tante cose mi hanno colpito, è vero che il signore dice di provare ogni cosa prima di accettarla nella sua parola ! Ma tu mi puoi dire, che è lo spirito santo che ti guida in tutto questo, o la razionalità ?
    Io non so se siete mai stati in Bosnia, posto bello, ma con un attività demoniaca tremenda nel mondo invisibile, di qui alcune cose che leggo nel libro di Rebecca le vedo proprio così come loro le descrivono, alcune le ho vissute personalmente, e ci tengo a precisare che non ho mai avuto nulla a che fare con il satanismo.
    Comunque sia andrò personalmente in preghiera per il tempo che ci vorrà e troverò le risposte, in questo confido e voglio avere fede che il Signore Gesù, mi aiuterà per quello che è necessario.
    Però non capisco veramente perché i ministeri che si occupano di liberazione, Rebecca a parte, sono sempre criticati ? Un saluto a tutti voi, e una cosa sola posso dire, preghiamo, preghiamo, preghiamo e la nostra arma migliore, non diamoci a inutili dispute, scambi di parere ci possono senz’altro stare.
    Un cordiale saluto e che Dio vi benedica ne nome di Gesù.
    Goghy, from Lugano, Svizzera :)

    ENGLISH:
    No I am not a Roman Catholic, and I have no animosity toward anyone, but from everywhere I turn around I always hear of the judgments on the work of someone.
    My family originates Orthodox, I am of evangelical religion, (although I prefer to say, which is more a relationship with God, a religion, and Jesus did not die for a religion), you know this is very difficult to make it clear to my family who are Orthodox, because they are very square. I come from Switzerland, not Italy! :)
    I ended up just yesterday to read the first book of Rebecca, and believe me many things struck me, it is true that the Lord says to try everything before accepting it in his word! But you can tell me, who is the Holy Spirit who guides you in all this, or rationality?
    I do not know if you’ve ever been in Bosnia, beautiful place, but with a tremendous demonic activity in the invisible world, here’s a few things that I read in the book of Rebecca I see them just as they describe them, some I have experienced personally, and there I wish to state that I have never had anything to do with Satanism.
    Anyway I will personally pray for the time it will take and I will find the answers in this trust and want to have faith that the Lord Jesus, help me for what you need.
    But really I do not understand why the ministries concerned with liberation, Rebecca aside, are always criticized? Greetings to all of you, and one thing I can say, please, please, please, and our best weapon, let’s not to unnecessary disputes, exchanges of opinion there may well be.
    Best regards and God bless them the name of Jesus.
    Goghy, from Lugano, Switzerland :)

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Goghy

    Just because Rebecca Brown speaks about things that you know (through experience) to be demonic does not make her book biblical. In the article I show you all the unbiblical things in her book. You even agree that you are to TEST everything to the bible but you are not doing that, you are just arguing with us telling us that we are wrong, we must be quiet and not argue and you call it criticizing. Well we are not criticizing, we are speaking the truth. If exposing false gospel was a sin then all the disciples, Apostles and Jesus Christ himself are guilty of this! Now show us where we are wrong in our discernment of Rebecca Brown (using scripture please) and I will gladly say I am sorry.

  • Goghy

    Si si certo ho capito quello che vuoi dire, hai ragione analizzerò la questione secondo la scrittura, però io quello che volevo sapere, oltre la scrittura hai anche interpellato Dio al riguardo ? Noi possiamo analizzare le scritture e sono d’accordo è giustissimo, ma non sempre possiamo avere un super discernimento della parola, ed è qui che entra in ruolo lo Spirito Santo, a farci capire le cose sulle quali meditiamo …
    È chiaro che il libro di Rebecca non potrà mai essere paragonato alla Bibbia che è scritta dallo Spirito Santo.
    Sai e quello che io volevo dire spesso vedo le cose analizzate, ma senza il fiato dello Spirito Santo la Bibbia resta un libro, è lo Spirito Santo che vivifica la parola, io ero questo che volevo sapere. Ci sono persone qui che in Spirito di verità hanno avuto la conferma che determinate cose non sono giuste ?
    Grazie mille di farmi sapere :)

    ENGLISH:
    It is sure I understand what you mean , you’re right, I will analyze the issue according to the scripture , but I know what I wanted , besides writing you also asked God about it? We can analyze the scriptures and I agree it is absolutely right , but we can not always have a super discernment of the word , and it is here that comes into the role the Holy Spirit , to make us understand the things on which we meditate …
    It is clear that the book Rebecca can never be compared to the Bible that is written by the Holy Spirit .
    You know , and what I wanted to say I often see things analyzed , but without the breath of the Holy Spirit , the Bible is a book , is the Holy Spirit who gives life to the word , I was what I wanted to know . There are people here and in the Spirit of truth had confirmed that certain things are not right ?
    Thank you so much for letting me know :)

  • anurag pulivarti

    First thing. who ever created this site. who gave you the authority to judge these people??? If you want to believe that Rebecca Brown is a chosen servant of God. Its upto you. You dont have a right to create a website and post this false things about her. Apparently you dont believe in modern day prophets and apostles. Who is T.B Joshua, D.G.S Dhinakaran, Benny Hinn, Dwight L. Moody, Billy Graham..Acts 2:17-18.. 1 Corinthians 12:28.. 4 There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit distributes them. 5 There are different kinds of service, but the same Lord. 6 There are different kinds of working, but in all of them and in everyone it is the same God at work.

    7 Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good. 8 To one there is given through the Spirit a message of wisdom, to another a message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit, 9 to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit, 10 to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues,[a] and to still another the interpretation of tongues.[b] 11 All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he distributes them to each one, just as he determines.

    At last get this Tomorrow if you keep judging God’s servants like this. When you stand before his throne God is gonna ask you “Who gave you the authority to judge my servants”..

  • anurag pulivarti

    Who gave us the authority to judge (discern)? Don’t you know?

    1 Corinthians 2:14-15 Amplified Bible (AMP)

    14 But the natural, nonspiritual man does not accept or welcome or admit into his heart the gifts and teachings and revelations of the Spirit of God, for they are folly (meaningless nonsense) to him; and he is incapable of knowing them [of progressively recognizing, understanding, and becoming better acquainted with them] because they are spiritually discerned and estimated and appreciated.

    15 But the spiritual man tries all things [he [a]examines, investigates, inquires into, questions, and discerns all things], yet is himself to be put on trial and judged by no one [he can read the meaning of everything, but no one can properly discern or appraise or get an insight into him]. (1 Cor 2:14-15)

    1 John 4:1 Amplified Bible (AMP)

    4 Beloved, do not put faith in every spirit, but prove (test) the spirits to discover whether they proceed from God; for many false prophets have gone forth into the world.

    1 Corinthians 5:12 Amplified Bible (AMP)

    12 What [business] of mine is it and what right have I to judge outsiders? Is it not those inside [the church] upon whom you are to pass disciplinary judgment [passing censuring sentence on them as the facts require]?

    I have some bad news for you. Those who deceive others are not God’s servants. They are servants of Satan.

    2 Corinthians 11:12-14Amplified Bible (AMP)

    12 But what I do, I will continue to do, [for I am determined to maintain this independence] in order to cut off the claim of those who would like [to find an occasion and incentive] to claim that in their boasted [mission] they work on the same terms that we do.

    13 For such men are false apostles [spurious, counterfeits], deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles (special messengers) of Christ (the Messiah).

    14 And it is no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.

    There are no longer apostles today, my friend. Those who claim they are apostles are lying.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    anurag pulivarti

    >> First thing. who ever created this site. who gave you the authority to judge these people???

    Hello! That’s us pleased to meet you. We are exposing works of darkness just like Jesus told us to do in the bible. (Ephesians 5:11) “Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead EXPOSE THEM”. do you have a problem with what Jesus has said? Should we stop listening to what the bible tells us because you are angry that we have exposed Rebecca Browns unfruitful works that go against the Word of God? I think we will carry on listening to Jesus.

    >> If you want to believe that Rebecca Brown is a chosen servant of God. Its upto you.

    That’s right, you can believe in Rebecca Brown until the end of days, no one here is forcing you to not believe in her. Neither are we forcing you to believe in Jesus Christ and when you say to him, “‘Lord, Lord,’ can I enter heaven becuase I read Rebecca Browns books instead of the bible and I believed her over You and Jesus will say to you” “I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’” (Matthew 7:21-23) because He told you in the bible about people who preach false teaching and you did not listen to Him.

    >> Apparently you dont believe in modern day prophets and apostles. Who is T.B Joshua, D.G.S Dhinakaran, Benny Hinn, Dwight L. Moody, Billy Graham

    You are right we don’t believe in modern day prophets and Apostles because the church was built on the Apostles with Jesus as the chief conernstone (Ephesians 2:19-22) and after the Apostles prophecy was done away with – it ceased. (1 Corinthians 13) Please read this article: Are Prophets for Today or has Prophecy Ceased? Do you have a problem with what the bible says when it says prophecy has ceased? (1 Corinthians 13) Why do you prefer to disobey the word of God and instead follow a witchdoctor like TB Joshua and a demonic evil man like Benny Hinn who believed that men came from Neanderthals and Billy Graham who says ALL religions (paths) lead to one God.

    >> 4 There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit distributes them. 5 There are different kinds of service, but the same Lord. 6 There are different kinds of working, but in all of them and in everyone it is the same God at work.

    You confuse gifts of the spirit with prophecy. Prophecy is not a gift of the spirit. Do you see prophecy in this verse? No, because it’s not a gift of the spirit. (Galatians 5:22-23 22) But the fruit of the [Holy] Spirit [the work which His presence within accomplishes] is love, joy (gladness), peace, patience (an even temper, forbearance), kindness, goodness (benevolence), faithfulness,23Gentleness (meekness, humility), self-control (self-restraint, continence). Against such things there is no law [that can bring a charge]”

    >> At last get this Tomorrow if you keep judging God’s servants like this. When you stand before his throne God is gonna ask you “Who gave you the authority to judge my servants”..

    When God asks us this we will say, You gave us permission because it’s written in Your Word. (1 Corinthians 2:14-15; 1 John 4:1; 1 Corinthians 5:12) What will you do when He asks you why you followed after men and women who preached AGAINST Him? What verse are you going to use? Please tell us.

  • anurag pulivarti

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  • Child of GOD

    I just want to say the writers of this site should pray for the wisdom of GOD. I was curious because someone mentioned this book, I came to this site. What I see is arrogance and secondly not working in the love of GOD with your words. The way both Deborah and Thomas are going about it is off putting. I am a very spiritual person. There is nothing wrong in pointing out what you believe are false teachings. Just take a minute and ask GOD the Father GOD the son and GOD the HOLY SPIRIT, if you have delivered your intended message appropriately and responded to your site visitors wisely? There are a lot of emotionally charged responses from Thomas especially, even though you have accused someone of this. Rebecca brown may have lied but do you know that GOD uses what the devil tried to trap his children to turn into good things for them in someway in their lives. The people to be worried about are unbelievers, that we should pray for. GOD is looking out for all his children. The HOLY SPIRIT will guide those who shouldn’t touch that book because they can’t handle it and those who should maybe to use it for their insight against the devil, with GOD discerning what is true or false.

  • Child of GOD

    GOD helping his children discern what is false and what could be useful. The bible says my people are destroyed for lack of knowledge – Hosea 4:6. Knowledge is power- and the devil works from this angle obviously being decietful. Not everyone is equipped to handle something’s, although you can pray for this. GOD knows us individually he knows our strengths and weaknesses. My point is that book might be satanic or might not be. In the hands of a true child of GOD can be a weapon against the devil that’s has tried to deceive his children. I would employ both Deborah and Thomas to really ask GOD if they have been wise in their approach. Have you judged with love and wisdom? I could go on and on…… Please do not come for me. Am stating what I have see. As I have read all the comments and asked for GOD’s guidance as I write. If you will both respond please respond as the HOLY SPIRIT guides you.

  • Child of God,

    Jesus said,

    “Tale heed that no man deceive you, but should you be deceived, don’t worry, I will turn the deception that entangled you and is pulling you away from God into something good. Yes, I will sugar coat your deception so well that you won’t even know you are deceived or being deceived. So let us all just smile and skip along happily like little children who just love to play ‘ring a ring a roses, hush, hush all fall down into the abyss of deception’ cause Jesus is going to turn your deceived little hearts into something good. I love you so much that you won’t even realize you are deceived.” Is that what Jesus meant when he said “TAKE HEED THAT NO MAN DECEIVE YOU? (Matthew 24:4).

    And talking about being spiritual. Here’s what the Bible says,

    1 Corinthians 2:15 Amplified Bible

    15 But the spiritual man tries all things [he [a]examines, investigates, inquires into, questions, and discerns all things], yet is himself to be put on trial and judged by no one [he can read the meaning of everything, but no one can properly discern or appraise or get an insight into him].

    The opposite of this is,

    That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ: (Eph 4:14-15)

    You also mentioned emotionalism. I really think you don’t know what it means. Let me tell you. Emotionalism, is when you attack someone blindly – like you have done with us – without referring even once to Scripture. You ramble on by giving your own insights without backing it up with Scripture. That’s sheer emotionalism. If the Holy Spirit JUST GUIDES those who shouldn’t touch that book because they can’t dandle it, then Jesus would never have commanded us to “Take heed that no man deceive you.” You see, He expects you and all those whom you say Jesus will turn their deception into something good, to be like the Bereans. They searched the Scriptures daily to make sure everything they heard and read was from God or not. The Holy Spirit is not just ever so gently going to guide you. Why do you think He gave us his Word? To sit on it while the Holy Spirit guides us. How do you know it is the Holy Spirit and not some other filthy and defiled spirit who is guiding you?

    As you said, “I just want to say that YOU (Child of God) should pray for wisdom from God. Then, at least you wouldn’t be so emotionally charged and randomly accuse us of everything under the sun.

  • Child of God wrote,

    I would employ both Deborah and Thomas to really ask GOD if they have been wise in their approach. Have you judged with love and wisdom? I could go on and on…… Please do not come for me. Am stating what I have see. As I have read all the comments and asked for GOD’s guidance as I write. If you will both respond please respond as the HOLY SPIRIT guides you.

    No my dear, I refuse to be guided by the “Holy Spirit” (who may NOT be the Holy Spirit but another filthy spirit who refuses to acknowledge that the Bible should be your only guideline for knowledge and truth) to guide me without searching the Holy-Spirit-inspired-Scriptures. Do we agree on that, or not? So let us turn to the Bible and evaluate your comment in the light of the Holy-Spirit-inspired Word of God.

    May I ask you, are you judging us with love and wisdom? Do you know what true love is? Let me tell you and please learn to rely on Scripture and not your own emotionally charged feelings.

    Faithful are the wounds of a friend; but the kisses of an enemy are deceitful. (Proverbs 27:6)

    Please allow me to explain to you what it means because you obviously do not know. First of all it teaches us that there is a false love and many so-called Christians are using it to lead millions into the abyss. They are the ones who kiss you, hug you, kiss you and hug you again and again, and tell you “Oh I love you sooooooo much” but deep down their kisses are really the hisses of Satan himself. Their so-called love drips with the poison of Satan. I know, because one of my closests family members whose wife is in the damnable WOF movement told me “I love her so much and therefore I don’t want to offend her.” He does not love her. He loves her to death – to an eternal death.

    Then there are those who rely on Scripture to show (not just tell others) they love them and do not want them to be deceived. These Christians know that when they quote Scripture to the deceived ones that it may cause deep wounds in their souls. They know that the word of God is sharper than a two-edged sword and may draw blood when it is wielded in the right way. Oops! before you jump to conclusion, I am using this metaphorically, to show you what it means when the Bible says the wounds of a friend are faithful.

    By the way, knowledge is not power. “Knowledge” is mentioned 172 times in the Bible and never once does it say “Knowledge is power.” How do you read your Bible? In a sloppy way?

    You said,

    My point is that book might be satanic or might not be. In the hands of a true child of GOD can be a weapon against the devil that’s has tried to deceive his children.

    No my dear Child of God. You are wrong again. God never says to his true children, “OK, listen up, I inspired Rebecca Brown to write her illustrious book so that you may know how to use it as a weapon against her and her book and the devil.” This is what God says,

    For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh: (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;) Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ; And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled. (2 Corinthians 10:3-6)

    How are we supposed to cast down vain imaginations and bring them into captivity to Christ? Should we sit in a little corner and shout as loud as we can, “Satan, I bind you in the Name of Jesus, I bind you, I bind you, bind you.” You will sit there until doomsday and accomplish less than nothing. However, when you wield the Sword of the Lord correctly, you may just manage to save a soul whose life has been ravished by evil deceptions.

    Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins. (James 5:20)

    Are you prepared to save souls who had been deceived from their error? You do? Well, join the club because then most so-called Christians are going to accuse you of arrogance, conceitedness, lovelessness, wissdomlessness, knowledgelessness, powerlessness, hardheartedness, etc. etc. etc. Or are you also one of those who say “Ooh I love you so much. Give me a kiss and a hug” and then don’t care a hoot what happens to them because they must learn how to use Rebecca Brown’s book as a weapon against her and the devil?

  • Child of GOD

    [deleted by DTW – Your type of comment is what we usually get, full of ‘hate’ disguised as ‘love’ – it’s clear what spirit speaks through you and it’s not the Holy Spirit. You would rather love people straight to hell. Don’t comment again.]

  • Shal

    <> No where ??????? are you crazy , stupids or what…or you think that ‘we’ are stupids? I am Jew and all my people is scattered over the world since Assyria and Babylon deportation after the end of monarchy in Israel( Zedekiah, last king of Judah) like God told us if we would disobey Him in Deuteronomy 28 until now(because of our sins against Go(in the book Judges, Kings, you can see all my people’s rebellion: worship other gods, being corrupted and murderers etc.) The Holocaust is the most powerful witness of God’s wrath against us ( Matthiew 27.25)because we took responsibility of Jesus Death almost all Israel was about to disappear from the face of the earth and you say that God doesn’t shed his anger to his sons??? look, we, the Jews are God’s choosen sons since ”’a lot of time”’ before you gentile Christians appear!!!! (Hebrews 12:6,Proverbs 3:12) because we are His Sons God takes time to correct us!! I think you are insulting our intelligence

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Shal

    First, thanks for the insult, I really do appreciate it. Let’s look at what I was speaking about ok?

    9) Angels and covenant

    An angel appears to Elaine; this angel was rather vicious in that it came to kill Elaine. The reason it wanted to kill her was because Elaine did not enter into some kind of covenant with God to protect her from future attacks from Satanists. Elaine was apparently rebellious with God, that is why she did not want to enter this covenant. She thought she could go it alone, fight off the Satanists with her own power. She didn’t need God’s help, oh no, never. She was so sure of herself that in the book she states that she was ready to ‘punch’ the angel right out for coming to see her and try kill her. Rebecca Brown interceded and asked God to give her the punishment meant for Elaine instead. God apparently heard her prayer and His wrath was diverted to Rebecca. The angel then left.

    What is wrong with this account? So much. No where in the bible is there any scripture where God meters out His wrath on His children. Secondly, no where does God take out His wrath on a child of God in place of someone else. Thirdly no where in the bible does God ask you to make another covenant with him – When you become born again you are automatically covered by the New Covenant, covered by the Blood of Jesus. Fourth, no where in the bible does God destroy or send an angel to kill His children because they did not listen to him. This angel, if it ever existed and not a figment of Elaine and Rebecca’s imagination is Satan in disguise.

    I am speaking about BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANS under the NEW TESTAMENT COVENANT. I am not speaking about Jews. Secondly God does chastise His children when they sin, but He won’t devise a sneakey plan to have you killed because you disobeyed Him. I hope you understand now and stop reading Rebecca Browns books.

  • Shal

    I want to congratulate anurag pulivarti, Goghy and all the persons here who understands Bible by Revelation and no intellectually , Corinthians 2.9 said that God will teach us mysteries If we really love him, Rebecca Brown IS A PERSON WHO IS COMPLETELY DEVOTED TO THE SAKE OF CHRIST and to preach gospel she has already won more than 7000 satanist souls, she is also a warrior of God some people today thinks that Gospel is all about go to church and read Bible histories and God will do all for us… Gospel is Warfare, it is about death or live…

  • Shal

    (Am sorry for the insult, but am very Zealous of the truth and if I have the opportunity I won’t let any one speaks nonsense or even more heretics speeches and blaspheme against The Holy Spirit) Jews in the old Covenant, Christians in the new one, if we have accepted Christ in our hearts we are sons of God I know that God doesn’t make the difference(since Jesus coming) what I am trying to say is that God’s justice sometimes looks strange for us but He is perfect and you cannot criticize the ways He threats with us, haven,t you read Exodus 4:24-26 Why God wanted to kill Moses,? Moses was the choosen one!! Or also you can see on 1 Chronicles 21:16 an Angel of God killed 70000 innocent people of Israel instead of just punish king David for the census… If you tell me oooh that’s the old covenant ok let’s go to God’s sons histories in the new one. 1 Corinthians 5:5 shows us that God can not only kill himself but even hand over to Satan (that is worse because Satan have no mercy) a son who is sinning if you you still don.t believe you can appreciate What the Holly Spirit do to liars Acts 5:1-11 Ananias and Sapphira were both sons of God born again by the New Covenant like you say. If you tell me that God doesn’t threat Christians born again like Israel in the past you are saying that God have preferences(Do you think you gentiles are better than us? don’t make me laugh) and that he can change his law when he wants, or that is not the same God, God have one law for everyone for any time, past present or future, God doesn’t change (Hebrews 13:8) so the angel in Rebecca history was in all his right to kill Elaine because she was obstinate to use Satan powers even after come to Jesus foot, that is treason! I gave examples in the Bible that are more strange than this one. You can tell me oh but now we are on the time of grace The blood of Jesus cover us when we sin… AND REPENT , that’s truth but no if we deliberately disobey or rebel against The Lord himself directly like Elaine was doing without repentance like Ananias and Sapphira, while you are in the open gate of sin God have the right to do whatever to you if you deserve it and also Satan has the right to enter in your live and make you suffer … until you repent, and even after you can’t erase the consequences of your sin ( David repent and the angel stopped killing Israel but they were 70000 death consequences of David sin)

  • Shal wrote,

    Rebecca Brown IS A PERSON WHO IS COMPLETELY DEVOTED TO THE SAKE OF CHRIST and to preach gospel she has already won more than 7000 satanist souls,

    And yet you agree it is wrong to take a census of people or to count them, especially when you rely on your own strength or to brag about your own achievements. God gives his honour to no-one.

    Or also you can see on 1 Chronicles 21:16 an Angel of God killed 70000 innocent people of Israel instead of just punish king David for the census…

    How do you know she won 7000 satanist souls? Did you count them or did she? It reeks too much like she got it from 1 Kings 19:18.

  • Shal wrote,

    (Am sorry for the insult, but am very Zealous of the truth and if I have the opportunity I won’t let any one speaks nonsense or even more heretics speeches and blaspheme against The Holy Spirit)

    Well, then you should start to indict and judge yourself very severely because Jesus never said He will kill the members of his Bride.

    The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly. (John 10:10)

    Can’t you at least see the difference between Satan and Jesus? Satan is the killer, not Jesus. You are the one who is blaspheming. What are you going to do about it – continue to blaspheme?

    Yes, Ananias and Sapphira lied to God. Have you never told a lie? If so, why are you still alive and writing these silly comments? I really think you should stop blaspheming Jesus.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Shal

    >> (Am sorry for the insult, but am very Zealous of the truth and if I have the opportunity I won’t let any one speaks nonsense or even more heretics speeches and blaspheme against The Holy Spirit)

    Thank you for your apology, but I must say that it’s interesting that you insult me who speaks the truth to you but you wont be zealous against Rebecca Brown who speaks lies.

    You clearly do not understand the difference between the old covenant and the new covenant. I think you need to go and do some studying on it. Please for your sake you need to learn that as a Jew you are under the new covenant when you accepted Jesus Christ into your life. Jews are God chosen people but for the last 2000 years they turned their back on Him and have been cut off from God – only until they accept Jesus Christ will they fall under the new covenant and become part of the Bride.

    When you sin as a Christian you move away from God and Satan is the one who jumps in to attack you, not Jesus. God does chastise His bride but He will not kill them.

    Please tell me, does God contradict Himself?

      1 Corinthians 15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

      Hebrews 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

      1 John 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.”

    You must please put to an end the TERRIBLE lie (that the church and all it’s false teachers teach) that our Heavenly Father and Saviour Jesus Christ kills people.

    You seem to know Rebecca Brown so well, do you believe every word she tells you? 7000 satanists saved, a whole town full of satanists including all staff at a hospital – and the name of the hospital does not exist? Still calls herself a doctor when by law she is not allowed too. Hmmm…

    Now, according to you you believe that God is the same in the old covenant as He in the new covenant you said, “God the same yesterday, today and forever”, so tell me do you still follow the law?

  • Davids

    Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:

    N Rosej
    >> It appeared as a dark figure, in human form, and rose from the floor of my bedroom.
    I totally understand what you are saying, however, it was not physical it was in another dimension (space and time) that you saw this being enter our dimension. It does not have flesh and blood like us. You touched something, absolutely, but it was not a physical being like you and me.

    In the book Elaine speaks about a covern mass that would take place through the country at the roughly the same time. She said that because Satan is not omnpresent he could not appear at all the covern masses at the same time, so each mass had to take place at slightly different times so he could show up in person at each one. She said he would walk onto the stage as if he was an actual person of flesh and blood. She said Satan appeared in human form dressed in white, they had a gold throne for him to sit on. (pg. 72, 73) She again states in another part of the book that she was alone at home one day and four demons appeared in a physical form, their bodies had black scales on them (pg. 75)
    The bible says Ephesians 6:12 “For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.”

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Davids

    What’s your point? who are you addressing your comment to?

  • Davids

    you underestimate demons powers, they don’t have bodies but they can transform no-substance into substance, I am not able to say how I know this.
    <> Also you are confused about entities… let me give you a light:

    First of all you are confusing demons and fallen angels they are not the same creatures
    Second, you have to know that Satan is not a demon he is an angel, fallen but still an angel
    three, angels powers are great than demons powers even if it is the possibility that a demon cannot change appearance, an angel can do it: the Bible said that the devil can turn into an angel of light even so do you think it is so hard to him to appear like Rebbecca said

  • Davids

    I really think you should stop reading Rebecca Brown’s books because you have no clue what you are talking about.

    You say Satan is not a demon. He is an angel, albeit a fallen one. Wow, you seem to know more than Jesus Himself. In Matthew 4 where Jesus is led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by Satan, he is called the devil (not an angel). When the prefixed article is used, the word “diabolos” is used and refers to Satan the accuser or opponent. Oddly enough you admit that Satan is “the devil” when you said, “the devil can turn into and angel of light . . . .”

    Incidentally, the words “fallen angels” do not appear in the Bible (KJV) – not once. The spiritual entities who had been in heaven with Lucifer before they fell into sin are not called fallen angels but devils (“daemons, “demons,” “evil spirits”). The word angel (angels) appear 99 times in the New Testament and not once do they refer to devils or demons. They are all holy angels sent as messengers of God. The word “angel” is also used of pastors because they too proclaim a message and are therefore messengers. Had demons (fallen angels as we call them) been angels (“angelos”) then we should either define them as holy/benevolent angels or pastors sent by God.

    The devil’s ability to change himself into an angel of light does not mean that he literally changes himself into an an angel (“angelos”). It simply means that he is able to take on the moral disposition of an holy angel and present himself as a truth-bearer or light-bearer (a messenger of the truth).

    Nowhere in the entire Bible do we see that the devils or even Satan can change themselves from non-substance to substance (some kind of human form). In fact, as I wrote in one of my previous comments,

    If you can show me one single verse in the Bible where it says that fallen angels appeared in human form, I may reconsider my stance on the Nephilim. There is not a single instance in the Bible where fallen angels appeared in human form or manipulated matter in ways far beyond our technological abilities. In fact, the Bible clearly stipulates that fallen angels need to inhabit a human body and not take on the form of a human body to function in human form. Here’s the proof.

    “When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none. Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished. “Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.” (Matthew 12:43-45).

    If a demon could simply materialize in some kind of human form, then it wouldn’t be constantly looking for some human form which to inhabit. This is a further indication that demons cannot appear at will in some human-like form. When the demons were cast out of the men at Gadera, they did not wish to be bodiless – they would rather enter into the bodies of pigs. If they had the ability to manipulate matter and appear in human form, they would have done so.

    And he besought Him much that He would not send them away out of the country. Now there was there on the mountain side a great herd of swine feeding. And they besought Him, saying, Send us into the swine, that we may enter into them. (Mark 5:10-12).

    Only holy angels appeared in human form to people on the earth.

    The fact that you call the devil an angel proper, proves that you are heavily deceived.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Davids

    Please read Tom’s comment he speaks the truth.

    There is a massive lie spreading across the internet that demons are not fallen angels they are two separate things. As I said this is a lie. Read Tom’s comment and learn the biblical truth.

  • Son of Light

    In the Bible, this is strongly hinted at rather than directly stated. Here is the evidence:

    In Job 1:6 we learn that Satan was in heaven with other angels.

    One day the angels came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them.

    That Satan is (was) in heaven is also seen in Zechariah 3:1-2, Luke 10:18 and Revelation 12:9. Revelation 12:9 gives a further clue to Satan’s identity:

    The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.

    This thought is also stated by Jesus in Matthew 25:41:

    “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.

    That he has his own angels, is a further clue to him being a (former) angel. (And incidentally, Isaiah 14:12-15 is often used to show why Satan fell, because he wanted to ascend to God’s throne)

    so, we know that Satan lives / has lived in heaven, with other angels (some of which are his own), that he was (or will be) cast out of heaven. From this we infer that he is a “fallen angel”.

    Update: In my answer above I assembled evidence for Satan being an angel, Which leads me to consider proof by exhaustion: if Satan was not an angel, what could he be? I know of only three types of sentient beings in the Bible: God, man and angels. He’s clearly not God, nor man. That only leaves one other option.

  • Son of Light

    There is only one place in Scripture where Satan is called an angel and that is in Revelation 9:11.

    And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon. (Rev 9:11)

    Here the word “angel” alludes to 2 Corinthians 11:14 where we are told that Satan is quite capable of taking on the appearance of an angel of light. He presents himself as an angel of light – not physically but morally in the form of false doctrines that seem to be true but are lies. Revelation 9:11 actually says, Although Satan is sometimes portrayed as an angel of light (2 Corinthians 11:14) he and his demons (evil spirits) are actually not angels but destroyers of people. You may think he is an angel because he is so good in presenting himself to you as an angel, but he is actually a destroyer. They never bring messages of good-will, good news, to people as the genuine angels of God do, but are bent on destroying people. So Revelation says to those who believe Satan is still an angel that they are wrong because Satan and his evil spirits are the very opposite to angels who are messengers off good news and good-will – they are destroyers (Abaddon, Apollyon). They appear to be messengers of good news but their “good news” are actually lies bent on destroying you.

    You refer to Revelation 12:9 in an effort to prove that Satan is an angel. I find it odd that you should call a “dragon,” “serpent” and a “devil” an angel. Incidentally, Satan was not an angel before his fall. He was a cherub, “Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.” (Eze 28:14). In the hierarchy of spiritual beings in heaven, he was on a higher level – if you will – than the angels. However, he is no longer a cherub but THE DEVIL. In none of his names since his fall is he ever called an angel, accept in Revelation 9:11 which I already explained. The 9:11 is quite interesting, isn’t it? The evil spirits in Revelation 12:9 are called “his angels” in the sense that they all do his bidding. They are messengers and conveyors of the destroyer (Abaddon, Apollyon). The emphatic “his” in “his angels” qualifies what they really are. They are no no longer God’s angels but Satan’s angels and him being the devil makes “his angels” devils, demons or evil spirits as well.

    Who says the sons of God in Job 1:6 were angels?

  • Mez

    If i wasn’t sure before, I’m sure now, Rebecca Brown is directed of God! Your resistance & attempt to expose her so called ‘false teachings’ with weak & flawed points did not sit well in my spirit. You misinterpret the word of God & rather then build courage you provoked doubt & confusion.

    I for one was encouraged after reading the book because i was enlightened with information,Bible says ‘without knowledge my people perish’ i now see the battle being waged, i was shown the reality of the spiritual realm and what we were really battling. I mean lets face it the greatest trick the devil has played & continued to play was to convince people he didn’t exists, so then we would be clueless as where our issues stem from or how to be freed from it. Unlike before i will go into battle (prayer) shooting my arrows and directing my spiritual weapons at specific targets rather then shoot blindly as i was doing before. I can now be more specific with my prayers, recognizing exactly which demonic spirit to rebuke whereas before i used to just pray vaguely & left unsure of what i was addressing. This book & ministry has been a blessing to me. Jesus came to set the captives free!

    THIS SITE IS QUESTIONABLE. TO THOSE SPIRITUALLY ATTENTIVE I PRAY YOU DISCERN AS THE HOLY SPIRIT DIRECTS YOU.

  • Mez,

    What you are saying is that the Bible is not sufficient to warn us about the wiles of the devil and that you need to read the books written by Rebecca Brown to enlighten you? You must be kidding.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Mez

    >> I for one was encouraged after reading the book because i was enlightened with information,Bible says ‘without knowledge my people perish’

    The knowledge that the bible speaks about is knowledge FROM THE BIBLE, not knowledge found in some book written by a false teacher. Basically what you have said is that Rebecca Brown’s book is on par with the Word of God. No Mez, it’s not.

  • Mizil

    I have taken a careful study at your site and the valuable comments that are being made here. I have realized that this is argument and not discussion. Discussion should lead to the truth, arguments leads to insults and vile comments since each sides will defend their arguments.

    There is one thing that i will comment on about Deborah take that Demonds and fallen angels are the same. They are not the same. The bible says that ‘the gifts of God are without repentance.So the Angels that fell hasn’t Changed in any form. Holy Angels appeared to Abraham, Angel Gabriel Appeared to Mary in a Human form(body) But the bible says God made his Angels ministrying spirits. sent for to minister to those that shall be heirs of salvation. With this point made, the fallen Angels who didn’t keep their original estate according to the bible can take on human form.

    This is my prove. Genesis 6:1-4. Please let me know what you will say about that. wether the ‘sons of God’ were Holy Angels or the fallen Angels(Devils or Demons are you may say).

    And please to all respected ministers of God here who love Christ Jesus and seek the truth. Look for the BOOK OF ENOCK AND READ. You will actually know the names of those fallen angels and what actually happen in Genesis 6;14. God bless us all.

  • Mizil wrote,

    There is one thing that i will comment on about Deborah take that Demonds and fallen angels are the same. They are not the same. The bible says that ‘the gifts of God are without repentance.So the Angels that fell hasn’t Changed in any form. Holy Angels appeared to Abraham, Angel Gabriel Appeared to Mary in a Human form(body) But the bible says God made his Angels ministrying spirits. sent for to minister to those that shall be heirs of salvation. With this point made, the fallen Angels who didn’t keep their original estate according to the bible can take on human form.

    This is my prove. Genesis 6:1-4. Please let me know what you will say about that. whether the ‘sons of God’ were Holy Angels or the fallen Angels(Devils or Demons are you may say).

    Genesis 6:1-4 does not in the very least teach that fallen angels took on human form. It says that the sons of God (not fallen angels) took unto themselves wives from among the unbelieving nations and had children with them. The word Nephilim used for “giants” in the KJV does not mean that they were huge in stature as the book of Enoch teaches. The book of Enoch says they were 450 feet tall. Do you call that truth? You must be joking. And you say you seek the truth – in a Gnostic book which New Agers use? The word Nephilim, according to Strongs, simply means a “feller,” that is a bully or a tyrant. A feller, if you do not know, is a person who usually cuts down trees. But here is refers to a person (bully or tyrant) who cuts down (slaughters) human beings just for the fun of it. The sons of God in Genesis 6:1-4 are neither fallen angels nor holy angels because Jesus is not a liar. He said,

    Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven. (Matthew 22:29-30)

    And please don’t come with the silly argument that He was referring to the angels in heaven and not the fallen angels who supposedly took on human form, married human women and had children with them. The word ” heaven” (ouranos) in this instance simply means “air,” “sky,” “the atmosphere above us.” The atmosphere above us are full of angels – holy and fallen.

    Then you mention the instances where holy angels appeared to Abraham and Mary to prove that fallen angels also appeared in human form. Show me one single instance in the Bible where fallen angels appeared in human form to humans. You say you seek truth and yet you twist Scripture to prove your lies. You cannot use the instances where holy angels appeared to men and then come to the conclusion that fallen angels also appeared in human form to men. Since when does “left their original estate” mean that they took on human form? Leaving their original estate simply means they abandoned their original abode in heaven to follow Satan when he was cast down onto earth. Some of the more maliciously evil fallen angels (demons) were cast into Tartarus and are now being kept there until the final Judgment.

    You say “Discussion should lead to the truth, arguments leads to insults and vile comments since each sides will defend their arguments” and yet you dare to suggest that Jesus Christ’s incarnation was not unique and that fallen angels were capable of incarnating themselves into human form. If you want to know the truth, read the Bible and not the book of Enoch, and when you read the Bible don’t interpret it to you own destruction (2 Peter 2:1). You are not open for discussion but argument because you seek truth in a book (Enoch) which was not inspired by the Holy Spirit.

    You use the Romans 11:29 “the gifts of God are without repentance” to prove that demons and fallen angels are not the same. This alone proves that you don’t have a clue how to read your Bible. The context in Romans 11 is NOT demons or fallen angels but the nation of Israel. Paul simply says that Israel as a whole is God’s elect (chosen nation – Isaiah 45:4) and that God will never rescind his promises to them because his gifts are without repentance.

    How on earth can we have a discussion with you when you don’t even know how to read the Bible correctly and prefer to read a Gnostic book like the book of Enoch. Do you also read the Book of Thomas and the Book of Judas to find the truth you are seeking?

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Mizil

    >> I have realized that this is argument and not discussion. Discussion should lead to the truth, arguments leads to insults and vile comments since each sides will defend their arguments.

    Ahh that’s right, so then you come along now and tell us we are the bad guys as we supposedly insult others with vile comments. Please tell us where we have done this?

    >> And please to all respected ministers of God here who love Christ Jesus and seek the truth. Look for the BOOK OF ENOCK AND READ. You will actually know the names of those fallen angels and what actually happen in Genesis 6;14. God bless us all.

    The book of Enoch is a book of lies, it’s a Gnostic text – one of the Apocrypha. You will learn no truth from this book. The bible is sufficient to learn everything we NEED TO KNOW for our lives as Christians. The apostle Paul addressed the sufficiency of Scripture here:

      2 Timothy 3:15-17 “15And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.”

    The Book of Enoch is not included in the bible for one reason, it’s not telling you the truth. The bible says

      Philippians 4:8 “Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.”

    In other words don’t read the Book of Enoch. And if you do read it and you compare it’s knowledge to that of the bible then…

      Isaiah 5:20 ” Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!”

    >> There is one thing that i will comment on about Deborah take that Demonds and fallen angels are the same. They are not the same….

    Not true, you don’t understand the bible regarding what teaching of the Nephilim. Please read Tom’s comment.

  • Grant-53

    I just finished reading “He Came to Set the Captives Free” and found few morsels of truth among the disinformation. This is not uncommon as an effective lie must have some measure of credibility. I have been a Christian for forty years and have studied the Bible extensively. I have met with Christians from many parts of the world with different backgrounds. First, an apostle was one who saw the risen Christ. Second, spiritual gifts are for the building up the Church. Third, here in North America rationalism is prevalent while in other areas animism is common. An intercessor’s work is primarily through prayer and includes a measure of identification with those in need. It does not involve, to my knowledge, being a ‘sin eater’ or use of a spirit body. I have witnessed attacks on churches and Christian organizations as Paul warned about.
    As for the Nephilim I am not entirely satisfied with Tom’s analysis and I will pursue further study including Strong’s definitions and other scriptures. What is clear from the Israelite perspective that there was a variance in stature among the people groups of that time. I urge everyone to be careful of “judging another man’s servant” or use abusive language. It is important and necessary to tell the truth and reveal error. How we go about it reveals what is in our own heart. Remember it the purpose of God to unite all His people unto Himself and that we love fellow believers.
    Years ago a psychic, Bernice Golden, was making predictions on the radio in Rochester, NY. I called the phone in program and explained that these predictions were from evil spirits. I expressed concern that she would be harmed by that association. The host and several callers disagreed. A year and a half later I read an article in the local paper that the former psychic had become a Christian and given up that life. God does do marvelous things.

  • Joellyn

    I have never heard of this woman but I know what happened to me. In 1998 my dog died. On March 17, 1998 stupid me went to a psychic to see if she would tell me anything about my dog. She told me that she could see my deceased dog behind me with her paw up in the air. The psychic said the power is in the paw. On March 25, 1998 I was alone in the living room which had a lot of windows. My husband was in another part of the house. All of a sudden there was a sound of a windstorm but nothing outside was moving. My other dog saw it before I did because I saw her following something with her eyes. I looked and lo and behold a dog paw was tapping on one of the side windows. I did not take my eyes off of it because I knew as soon as I did it would disappear. I called for my husband with my eyes constantly on the “dog paw” As soon as he entered the room the “dog paw” lowered itself from the window. Another time at night I heard footsteps entering the room. I had my eyes closed but I could see a black figure standing beside the bed. I flew out of bed and grabbed my bible and it left. When I would take pictures we could see the demons in the pictures. In one picture the whole background of the room was changed to a lake of flames and a demon was stepping out of it. Earrings would be taken out of my ears, rings would vanish from my fingers to show up a few days later. The one incident that really stands out in my mind is the morning I was standing in my kitchen and I saw figures but I could see through them. I was never scared because I knew the Holy Spirit is in me and Satan and his demons cannot do anything without God’s approval. I went into the other room and knelt down in front of a chair to pray and the chair was shaking. I kept kneeling there praying and the chair stopped shaking. This is only a small portion of what happened. I believed that the Lord used this to bring me closer to Him.
    This is one of the reasons I am so against the so called signs and wonders movement that is so prevalent here in the U.S. I am also an ex catholic. Which is loaded with pagan mysticism. Thank you for listening.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Joellyn

    Now I know you didn’t read ths ladies book, but I just want to say this never the less :). I think the thing is that because Rebecca Brown speaks about demons and other strange things, that everything she now says is true and that is not the case. We know demons exist because the bible tells us, not because Rebecca Brown tells us.

    Now regarding your situation, I just want to say that the only reason this happened to you was because you went to see a psychic and this was a sin, something very serious as you have stated because look at the consequences. You say, “I believed that the Lord used this to bring me closer to Him.” Nope He does not use evil to bring us closer to Him. It is one asking for forgiveness of your sin that brings you closer to Him. Please see Tom’s comment below as well :)

  • Joellyn,

    I sincerely hope you confessed your sin, in visiting a psychic, to God because it is very serious.

    Thou art wearied in the multitude of thy counsels. Let now the astrologers, the stargazers, the monthly prognosticators, stand up, and save thee from these things that shall come upon thee. Behold, they shall be as stubble; the fire shall burn them; they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame: there shall not be a coal to warm at, nor fire to sit before it. (Isaiah 47:13-14).

    My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. (1 John 2:1-2)

    Satan does not need God’s approval or non-approval to attack his children when they disobey their Father and visit Satan’s children to glean his counsel. Beware of thinking that things like visiting a psychic and ithe consequences thereof (appearance of demons) bring you closer to God.

  • Joellyn

    Yes I have years ago. This experience has made me so much more aware of the tactics of Satan. That is why I do not believe in any of the Charismatic “signs and wonders” At that time we were attending a false church (we weren’t aware of it) My husband never went to a psychic. He never saw anything but he did hear things in the house. The house was built in 1776 and we found out from someone that one of the former owners had pagan rituals on the grounds. We moved from there in 2002.

  • Samuel

    I m presently reading HER book ” Prepare for War”, it is so unfortunate that we do not leave the things we do not understand, it is wisdom not to discuss what has not been revealed to you, so that you dont bring curse on yourselves. Everything she wrote is true. Being from Nigeria where there is a lot of DEMONIC manifestation i can attest to the revelation of her words. Furthermore, not everyone believed JESUS in His days. I do not expect everyone to accept her techings. Also, if her books frighten you then you ve to evaluate your faith (For we ve not received the SPIRIT OF FEAR). The problem is that there is so many baby “CHRISTIANS” that do not know that we are not equal in calling and revelation. The power of JESUS is still operating through any christian that believes, this SIGN shall follow them that believe(not the apostles alone). Apostle paul was not an apostle but manifested greater than all the apostles. Saw visions of heaven. He fought the beast of Ephesus. Paul’s persecutions shows how the Satanist can operate. Whatever you do not understand, dont comment because Matt 12 vs 36-37. By your words you will be condemned or justify.

  • Samuel,

    That’s just fine, Samuel. Continue to read every book by Rebecca Brown you can lay your hands on and continue to be misled by her. The following Scripture apples,

    For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. (2Ti 4:3-4)

    One of her fables is the following,

    Spider Bites

    TBC Staff

    Dec 15 2003

    False teachers tell stories of seemingly miraculous events in order to impress others. Unlike the miraculous accounts in the Bible, however, these stories often fall apart under close examination. As the scriptures instruct us, we are to “prove all things, hold fast that which is good” (1 Thessalonians 5:21). May God help us to be obedient to His call.

    Consider the following excerpt from the book, Unbroken Curses in which Rebecca Brown tells of a “miracle” which her husband Daniel experienced. Much as Benny Hinn told of his father being a mayor in Israel, a story easy to verify if true (it wasn’t), Brown does not begin with a simple story of a simple man, in circumstances not very different than ours. Instead, Daniel was born to “a very wealthy Jewish family of international bankers,” He was sent to Switzlerland to be under Rabbinical and Cabalistic teachers in an “exclusive boarding school.”

    The six year old child was imprisoned “in a small windowless room.” Later, as punishment for trying to escape, Daniel was placed in an even smaller “round room, just a few feet in diameter.” His room may have gotten smaller, but the tale grew. Once in this room, the cruel Rabbis holding him “dumped thousands of spiders down on top of him, many of them poisonous.”

    The spiders began to crawl over him. As they began biting him, Daniel cried out in pain. “Immediately, a brilliant shaft of light pierced down through that building, down into the cold little room where Daniel was cowering, shivering and crying….Two arms reached forth from the light and held him as he “slept in the arms of Jesus. When he awoke, all of his spider bites were healed,” according to Brown (Brown, Yoder, Unbroken Curses, pp. 149-175).

    Spiders by nature are solitary creatures and when too close together, tend to devour each other. It is a real miracle for the Rabbis to have a large stock (thousands according to the author) of spiders to dump on their captives. And, as any child who has attempted to corner an active spider in a jar can tell you, they move rapidly and can be quite difficult to catch. Imagine trying to gather “thousands” in a bucket or other container and then try to get from the spider holding area to the prisoner’s cell without losing most of them. And this is just one example of the tall tales one may encounter in Brown’s book.

    So, happy spider hunting, Samuel.

  • Apenisa Whippy

    Hi i May not know the bible in and out or read all of rebecca’s books but if i recall, correct me if im wrong,where did God find Satan? in Haven.. so guys just from reading your discussions i really admired how u all stood up for our Lord and Savior, but blinded by your own views on the subject, you forget that Satan also puts thoughts in our minds that turn us on each other. so instead of pointing fingers and accusing someone of misleading and what ever they did right or wrong pray for them cause you never know if that person is great man or women of God, pray and let god move and he will reveal all to you

  • Apenisa Whippy,

    It is really very easy to know whether a person is a man or woman of God. God says,

    To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them. (Isaiah 8:20)

    Rebecca Brown does not speak according to God’s Word, so she cannot be a woman of God. It’s as easy as that.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Apensia

    >> you forget that Satan also puts thoughts in our minds that turn us on each other.

    Satan put’s throughs in the minds of false believers not born again Christians.

    >> pray and let god move and he will reveal all to you

    You don’t need to pray and ask God to reveal to you if someone is false, all you need to do is obey God’s commandments and that is to speak according to the Word of God. (Isaiah 8:20) If you don’t then you are false. It’s as simple as that.

    Rebecca Brown and her followers on this blog do not speak according to the Word they speak according to their own ideas and the ideas Satan gives them that are in opposition to the Word of God.

  • ann

    WARNING THIS WOMEN HAS BEEN PROVEN TO BE FALSE. BURN HER BOOKS, IT WELL FOOL THE ELECT IF WERE POSSIBLE PLS SPREAD THE TRUE

  • Xan

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  • Sboshy

    I think this is the battle of getting popular using someone Else’s name. As I stand here I got to be a born again after reading Rebecca Browns book and being able to know what is satan capable of doing. I come from a church where we do not wage war but pray politely. I now have seen and experienced how the devil is rising in the game and if Christians are to polite in rebuking evil spirit we are going to be doomed. Preach your own Philosophy and leave Rebecca out of it as long is the main purpose is winning souls for JESUS CHRIST. You are not God to know and judge false teachers of the word. satan is trying to plaugh his seed to everyone hence most demons are found in church and if you believe that a christian cannot be tormented its your own cup of tea>>>>>..

  • Sboshy,

    Hi there, Would you mind telling us how you were saved? What was it you read in Rebecca Brown’s books that saved you?

  • Sboshy

    >> You are not God to know and judge false teachers of the word.

    But you can judge me? Right? Always amazes me how everyone else is judgmental except you. You even judged your previous church for praying too politely.

    This verse wont appear in Rebecca Brown’s bibles (the ones you got saved from). It says:

    2 Timothy 3:16 “All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:”

    That means I can judge the WORDS spoken by people and compare what they say to the bible and correct it and EXPOSE it if it’s wrong.

    Ephesians 5:11 “Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them.”

  • Robbie

    Sboshy

    >>”I think this is the battle of getting popular using someone Else’s name”<<

    Luke 6:26
    26 Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets.

    "We" must be on the right track then heh?
    Sorry but I don't believe you have changed churches for the better. Like you rightly said… Many demons after churches.
    I honestly think you are extremely confused…

  • Robbie

    Here is one of the latest articles on Me Baily. Wonder is she is related to Alice?

    “Thankfully many people have the spiritual perception and common sense to realize that people should not be reading the “Rebecca Brown” books. They will not bring anyone closer to Jesus, nor will they help avoid evil, because they are untrue. They are fiction (bad fiction at that) presented as fact, and the Lord Jesus has never needed such literature to help his cause.

    For twenty years “Dr. Rebecca Brown” whose real name is Ruth Bailey, and who certainly is no longer a doctor, has been widely recognized as a fraud, and her books a hoax. Already in the 1980s, she was living in what appeared to be a questionable relationship with Edna Elaine Moses, the middle-aged woman she was purportedly trying to adopt as her daughter.

    Every piece of “evidence” presented in the Rebecca Brown books can amply and easily be proven false. No discerning person has taken her seriously for many years — but, unfortunately, the books continue to circulate.”

  • Adedeji Adejuwon

    I see you are afraid of approving my comment. That’s ok. You are what you are: DECEIVERS!

  • Adedeji Adejuwon

    No one is afraid to approve your comment. You are not that important. Your comment is very long and the author of the article had no time thus far to answer you. So, just keep your shirt on.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Thanks Robbie this this info

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Adedeji Adejuwon

    Sorry I deleted your comment because we don’t have time to sift through all your false teaching, we have already written articles explaining most of what you are confused about.

  • I find myself pondering this article along with many of the comments. It appears to me as though there is a bias towards Rebecca Brown/Bailey but that is just my personal opinion. I find that much of the argument presented is what I would call “nit picky.” In no way do I doubt the sincerity of the writer but I do question the credibility of their findings.

    What I am about to say will certainly open me up to criticism but it is my testimony. I have found that those with theories are unsuccessful in silencing or nullifying the testimonies of those who who have to their benefit experience.

    The 5 fold ministry is alive and well. All the offices are in operation. Granted there are many more who claim to operate in these offices than actually do. Sadly, many seek after titles and notoriety rather than true servanthood. I digress. First off, I was called as a prophet in July of 2009. I am no one special but God chose me to operate in this office. He spoke the words so that they were crystal clear and I still remember them today as though He spoke them yesterday. “You are an end time prophet.” This is not about me or the kingdom role I have been called to but my experience flies in the face of the the theories above based very loosely on scriptural interpretation. To me the argument that there are no apostles or prophets in this generation sounds like a faulty denominational doctrine.

    Second, I have acted in deliverance on numerous occasions through the years I have been in ministry. The first and most severe case I worked with had been (she claimed) a Satanic high priestess. That part I cannot verify but what I can verify is what I experienced. Over the course of 5 days (about 12 – 14 hours a day) Jesus cast out 16,703 demons. This woman had been demonized for 42 years but claimed Christ as her personal Savior. I was taught that was not possible. As the process of deliverance occurred and more and more of her became evident (sans demons) I realized that her claim was true. She was severely oppressed but she loved Jesus.

    Granted, many of the claims by Rebecca are far-fetched but if time were reversed by 7 years I would have claimed my prior paragraph to be far-fetched as well. My experience replaced my faulty theory.

    I would like to add that I see almost all effective ministers discredited on the web in one or more places. I believe it comes with the territory. If someone is extremely effective one o the best ways to nullify their testimony is to call to question their credibility. As such it is difficult to separate the true from the false. Of course, according to the author of this article anyone who claims to operate in the office of prophet is proven false merely by making the claim.

    Mark my words, a day is coming (soon) where followers of Christ will set aside petty arguments. There will be no doctrinal divide as what unites us will be considered much more important than what has caused division for so many centuries. When that time comes this whole discussion will be considered moot. But be sure that each will give an account for themselves with regards to their words towards others. Because of this I require overwhelming proof before I will step forward and state that someone is false. Knowing that we are each accountable should sober us to the powerful effect of our words whether they be spoken aloud or written in cyberspace.

  • FisherofMen wrote:

    Mark my words, a day is coming (soon) where followers of Christ will set aside petty arguments. There will be no doctrinal divide as what unites us will be considered much more important than what has caused division for so many centuries. When that time comes this whole discussion will be considered moot. But be sure that each will give an account for themselves with regards to their words towards others. Because of this I require overwhelming proof before I will step forward and state that someone is false. Knowing that we are each accountable should sober us to the powerful effect of our words whether they be spoken aloud or written in cyberspace.

    This alone proves that you are a false prophet because no “prophet” of God will ever proclaim “There will be no doctrinal divide as what unites us will be considered much more important than what caused division for so many centuries.” Biblical doctrines are supposed to cause division in order to separate the true from the false. The Holy Spirit who inspired John to write these words, said:

    2 Jonn 1:9-11 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. (10) If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: (11) For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

    Jesus Himself said:

    John 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word [doctrine], then are ye my disciples indeed.

    If you disregard Christ’s doctrines, you are are no disciple of his.

    Doctrine was given to cause division and separate the true disciples from the false ones. Jesus said:

    Matthew 10:34-36 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. (35) For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. (36) And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household.

    Once again, you are a false prophet and the sooner you repent, the better for you.

  • Luthor95

    One thing I do agree with is that John Todd actually was a man of God considering he exposed the illuminati and ‘strangely’ disappeared after exposing them. Also, one thing I agree on in her book is that werewolves and vampires are real. There are even accounts in real history of real werewolves and I even encountered 2 werewolves in my life while one of my friends encountered a vampire. I also learned from her book that Satanist can be anybody in church and look like oridinary people if you don’t have the spirit of discernemnt and that includes the pastor that’s working with the devil. When I moved to a different state when I was 10 and attended the church I went to at that time for 7 years it wasn’t until I realized that my church was a freemasonic church that had a freemason compass under the balcony and I passed by it every day. The church I somewhat attend now is infiltrated and the male pastor, aside from the female pastor, is working with Satan and the people who go to the church that I’m friends with can’t sense that he’s evil. I have the spirit of discernment and every time I’m specifically around him he’s the only one out of all the people in church that I sense that’s hiding something and is evil. Its so bad his aura isn’t just evil it’s deceptive yet comforting and nobody at the church I use to go sees that which is sad because if I was to tell them that God has given me visions and dreams about this man they won’t even listen to me and shun me because I can’t back it up with either scripture or simply because he’s a ‘pastor’.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Luthor95

    Werewolves, vampires, aura’s, dreams and visions.. you sound like a pagan yourself.

    You read Rebecca Brown’s books but you don’t read the bible.

    Put aside false teaching (Rebecca Brown’s lies) and open the bible and read it.

    >> John Todd actually was a man of God considering he exposed the illuminati and ‘strangely’ disappeared after exposing them

    Exposing satanism and then disappearing is not the litmus test for being a Christian.

  • jayjay

    All i have to say is god is good, which ever one of u is right, I really don’t care. All of you should stop and go and seek god for proper answers.WHILE all of you are here arguing about R.B she is getting on with her life while u are all here wasting yours.

  • jayjay wrote

    All i have to say is god is good, which ever one of u is right, I really don’t care. All of you should stop and go and seek god for proper answers.WHILE all of you are here arguing about R.B she is getting on with her life while u are all here wasting yours.

    So, what you are actually saying is that we should not obey Jesus Christ who said:

    And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man [including Rebecca Brown] deceive you. (Matthew 24:4)

    Yuu seem to love you when someone deceives you.

  • KHOSI. MOSETHE

    i want to believe that many of those who commented and lambasted Rebecca Brown about what she wrote,regard themselves as better than her.the manner in which she quoted the scriptures is the way she understood it and who knows if the SPIRIT wanted her to understand like that.No one is better than another here and everyone who is so sure that he or she understands what was meant by any word in the bible must come out and tell the world who gave them the assurance that what they are telling us is exactly what is meant by the scriptures.
    The high qualifications that one has does not make them HOLIER than other CHRISTIANS.Anyone must not regard himself more than he is.
    Many may think what they are doing will get them eternal life but hey,surprises are awaiting them.

    THANKS

  • KHOSI. MOSETHE

    It is not the way we understand the Scriptures that matters. What matters is whether your understanding is in harmony and in sinc with Scripture. Our understanding is not the barometer for truth but the Bible itself. Anything not in line with what Scripture teaches must be rejected unless, of course, you want your ears to be tickled and love to be led astray. The choice is yours. Jesus said:

    And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man [or woman] deceive you. (Mat 24:4)

  • KHOSI. MOSETHE

    MY ARGUMENT IS HOW SURE ARE YOU THAT WHAT YOU`RE TRYING TO ALERT US WITH IS IN LINE WITH THE SCRIPTURE? WHAT IF YOU`RE ALSO WRONG?
    I HAVE THE PROBLEM WITH THE PEOPLE WHO ARE SELF RIGHTOUS;GOD`S WAYS ARE TOO HIGH TO BE UNDERSTOOD BY ANYONE UNLESS THE SPIRIT OF GD REVEALS THEM TO US.REMEMBER,ONE OF GOD`S PROPHETS WAS ORDERED TO MARY APROSTITUDE,TO LOVE HER AND TO HAVE CHILDREN WITH HER,IF YOU WERE ALIVE THEN YOU WOULD HAVE SAID IT IS WRONG,PETER WAS ORDERED TO SLAUGHTER AND EAT DIRTY ANIMALS IN A VISION AND HE REFUSED BUT GOD REVEALED UNTO HIM THAT THERE ARE THINGS WHICH GOD CLEANED AND NO ONE CAN SAY THEY ARE DIRTY.I AM SAYING TO YOU AND TO EVERYONE ELSE WHO THINK OF HIMSELF AS RIGHTEOUS THAT THEY MAY BE HAVING ALL ANSWERS FOR EVERYTHING BUT THEY MAY BE EMPTY SHELLS WHICH ARE MAKING A LOT OF NOISE.BEING FACTUAL DOES NOT CONCLUDE THAT ONE IS TRUTHFUL.LEAVE REBECCA ALONE AND COME WITH YOUR OWN BOOK WE WILL BUY IT AND READ AND IT WOULD HAVE INSPIRED BY HOLY SPIRIT,IT WILL DO US A WORLD OF GOOD.THANKS AND I AM OUT!!

  • KHOSI. MOSETHE

    You don’t need to shout. You are supposed to evaluate Rebecca Brown and every other false teacher’s teaching in the light of God’s Word. You’re not doing it and therefore you are being downright disobedient to God.

    So, you are saying that God ordered Rebecca Brown to tell all those lies? Here’s the truth about Rebecca Brown from another source.

    https://www.thebereancall.org/content/t-mcmahon-kurt-goedelman-part-2

  • princess

    if reading Rebecca brown’s books makes people more aware of God, his love for us thru his son Jesus Christ, shows us our need for holy and righteous living as well as exposing the kingdom of darkness and all the different strategies that satan our arch enemy is using to wedge war on the saints then its all for the good of the Christian and i highly recommend it to all believers of our lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

    on a personal experience, Rebecca brown’s book is founded on the truth of the word of God… and these truths help strengthen as well as encourage the believer of Christ in her work and journey…

    am not surprised at the controversy and ridicule she’s been subjected to, obviously, the devil can never be happy to be challenged and exposed so he’s doing what he knows best to accuse.. — after-all he;s the accuser of the brethren and his agents will surely follow his lead.

    God protect and keep blessing Rebecca Brown, strengthen and uphold her in Jesus name Amen!!!!!!!!

  • princess

    What is wrong with the Bible in making people more aware of God, his love for us through Jesus Christ? Isn’t the Bible sufficient in doing that? You make it sound as if the Bible cannot exist without Brown’s books. Your experience or anyone else’s experience cannot corroborate Brown’s books as being true or not. First of all, where in the Bible do we ever read that Satan took on a man’s form to present himself to people? That’s just plain nonsense.

  • khosi mosethe

    in every response to my comment you have been very dodgy,you are not responding to what i asked you,now i will make it simple:

    do you belong to any church?do you have anyone as your pastor?do you know that you`re capable of making mistakes?are you a christian?do you know that the devil and demons can also say JESUS AND AMEN, they can also tell people lies while referring to the BIBLE? does your bible also have the passage where Jesus disciples complained to him about others who were not his disciples but healing people in his name,and what was his response? IF WE HAVE TO READ THE BIBLE AND REPEAT THE SAME WORDS TO THE PEOPLE THEN WE DO NOT NEED PASTORS OR CHURCHES.BOTHER INSTEAD OF LAMBASTING REBECCA,CHECK YOURSELF AND FIND OUT BY WHO`S POWER ARE YOU DOING THIS.LASTLY YOU ARE LOST YOU NEED HELP.

  • khosi mosethe

    Have you read the article of which I provided the link. Here it is again.

    https://www.thebereancall.org/content/t-mcmahon-kurt-goedelman-part-2

    IIf you prefer to believe a bunch of lies, then that’s your choice. Go ahead and believe them.

  • Sandra

    Deborah,I read Rebbeca’s book and in reading what you wrote. It make me think twice on what’s real and what’s false. But reading the book is what encouraged me to look for Jesus. So I don’t know if it is all bad that people read it.

    Thomas, you dont seem to be good person. You speak to people like you are better than they are. You shouldnt disrespect people the way you did. I don’t know much about the bible I am learning and looking for jesus, but in reading your posts I don’t understand how you could be a christian because for some like me who is trying to find jesus, and than I read the way you speak to people I ask myself is this the way a christian would act. I don’t mean to agrue with anyone I just think you are a very angry person.

    Sandra

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Dear Sandra

    I find it amazing that you can judge Thomas like that. There is nothing wrong with the way he speaks. You want to know the truth? He speaks the truth and you don’t like it therefore you personally attack the messenger.

    You can find Jesus Christ the Son of God in the BIBLE, not in false teachers books that speak a load of nonsense and point to another gospel and ANOTHER Jesus, NOT the Jesus Christ of the bible.

    There are two Jesus’ in this world, a satanic Jesus who speaks lies disguised as truth and then you have Jesus Christ the Son of God who’s teachings are found in scriputre and leads to all truth.

  • Sandra

    Deborah,

    So there is nothing wrong with the way he spoke to Ruth telling her to grow up and that she is imature and and tellimg other people they are not important if that is not an insult than what is. I know he is defending you and you in return are defending but there is no need for the insults.

    Instead of bringing people towards Jesus he is insulting them. I under stand what you both started doing which was letting people know that the teachings in the book are false. but now he is just insulting people. I am no better than anyone. I think he needs to find a better way of bring false prophets to the light.

    What I meant to say was that reading the book lead me to start reading the bible and to look for Jesus.
    Now you are just confusing me. “There are two Jesus?”.

    Good luck to you both Thomas, don’t mean to judje you but just go back and read how you spoke to all these people while some of them
    Spoke to you with kind words.

    Sandra

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Dear Sandra

    Thomas said:

    January, 2015 at 12:46 pm · Edit
    ruby wrote,

    Oh and about the Bible verses, nothing wrong about them it’s good you know them, just not to use it for own purposes to show others you are a greater person than they are (and again I can’t judge who did that but everyone should ask the Lord if he did) because remember, some of the pharisees also knew and used a lot of Bible verses but not with love for God and other people

    Tom said: There you go again, judging us subjectively and unrighteously. What on earth gave you the silly idea that we quote verses from Scripture just to show we are greater than others? You are not only subjectively judging us but being downright childish. Grow up and then come back to comment in a more mature manner. I suggest that you quote more directly from Scripture to substantiate your claims. Oh, I’m sorry, you wouldn’t want to do that lest others think your are greater than they. By the way, do you read your Bible? If you had, you wouldn’t say the things you do.

    Ruby (not Ruth) was attacking Thomas, this person Ruby claims they are a christian already, so they have already found their “Jesus”. Thomas has every right to say what he did because this is what the bible says on the matter regarding being like a child annd growing up SPIRITUALLY.

    Ephesians 4:14-15
    14 THAT WE HENCEFORTH BE NO MORE CHILDREN, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
    15 But speaking the truth in love, MAY GROW UP into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ

    Where did Tom tell someone they were not important in God’s eyes? What he did say was:

    Adedeji Adejuwon

    No one is afraid to approve your comment. You are not that important. Your comment is very long and the author of the article had no time thus far to answer you. So, just keep your shirt on.

    I can’t see anything wrong with this, Adedeji attcked us for not approvng his comments, and Tom said he is not that important that we MUST apprve his nasty comments. If you read the terms and conditions you signed it says we are under no obligation to approve comments.

    Your charges levelled against Tom are rediculous. Again, you don’t like the truth he speaks so you are nit picking at anything to attack him personally.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Dear Sandra

    >> Now you are just confusing me. “There are two Jesus

    Yes the bible says there will be many false Messiahs/Christs rising up to imitate Jesus Christ: Matthew 24:4-5; Matthew 24:24; Matthew 24:11; Mark 13:22; etc
    A good example of a false Jesus is the one in the Roman Catholic church, the Jesus that hangs on that cross is not Jesus Christ of the bible but actually the Egyptian god Horus. He is called the Eucharistic Christ. Do some research on this when you can.

    I suggest you get what is called a Topical bible, and get a KJV or NKJV or Amplified. A topical bible has topics and verses listed under those topics so it’s easier to search the bible.

    So when someone preaches a gospel like Rebecca Brown that is DIFFERENT to what the bible preaches the bible says the following:

    2 Corinthaians 11:5
    For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

  • curt bond

    Look, the bible is not hard to understand, God made this world as an example for us. If you have a very dirty house, and ask Jesus to come and save that house from destruction, He will redeem it. BUT the house is still very dirty, even though it is redeemed. (John 3:16), but in John 3:17 He will bring soundness to that house.Look at that, He will bring soundness after the redeeming. In other words He will clean it up (because it’s STILL DIRTY). So what am I getting at? Cleaning must be done, it IS NOT AUTOMATIC !Christens have demons in their body’s, and don’t know it!Their house was dirty before and now redeemed need cleaning!!!But oooo this is NOT taught, were taught that the Holy Spirit and a demon can not exist in the the human body at the same time. You are deceived if you think this way. Look at the temple in the time of Jesus, He took a rope and drove out the MONEY CHANGERS from the temple (THE TEMPLE), this is the outer court (Representing your body)(the dirty stuff), the priests ministered in the inner court (your soul), and the Holy of Hollies (your spirit man) When you give your heart to Jesus, He enters your Holy of Hollies (your heart), demons cannot enter there, they can influence your soul, and they can enter your body, just like the money changers did in that temple (which was a shadow of the real temple,YOU) Jesus delivered the shadow temple, and SET THE STANDARD for the real temple, which is freedom from demons!Christens NEED deliverance, and can receive this from the same Jesus!Remember HE SET THE STANDARD FOR ALL NATIONs AND PEOPLES!!

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Dear Curt Bond

    1 Corinthians 2:14-15Amplified Bible, Classic Edition (AMPC)

    14 But the natural, nonspiritual man does not accept or welcome or admit into his heart the gifts and teachings and revelations of the Spirit of God, for they are folly (meaningless nonsense) to him; and he is incapable of knowing them [of progressively recognizing, understanding, and becoming better acquainted with them] because they are spiritually discerned and estimated and appreciated.
    15 But the spiritual man tries all things [he [a]examines, investigates, inquires into, questions, and discerns all things], yet is himself to be put on trial and judged by no one [he can read the meaning of everything, but no one can properly discern or appraise or get an insight into him].

    The bible is very difficult to understand as far as an unbeliever is concerned, once you are born again and the Holy Spirit illuminates your mind, the bible is very easy to understand even though the bible is a very complicated book. If it was not for the Holy Spirit a believer would never be able to understand the bible, he would be lost. And this brings us to the millions upon millions of people out there who are not saved, yet read the bible daily and make up their own interpretations of things, their own little stories to appease themselves and others.

  • TKdeuce

    A testimony from one can be hope for others; from books to conversing of one’s victory over a battle is inspiring and help others to know that they are not alone fighting this spiritual war and it can be done. We all are fighting the same war but in different battle grounds and it is sad that some can’t go to their brother and sister in Christ to confide and bear their burdens, or even fellowship for fear of being judge, put down, and ridicule as a Christian. I look around and see hurt, many mental and spiritual wounded, and pain and no place to go for refuge. It is a reason why it written fellowship with each other, bear one another burdens, confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another. God is not a God of confusion. We must love our neighbor as we love ourselves and if a brethren is overtaken with sin we must restore gently with meekness or we will fall victim also.

    The bible is the only standard for truth and everything should be compare to it for validation, but we must go beyond physical objects and embrace personal relationship with Him. This is how we know. Yes there are contradictions and errors in the bible, for it was written by man. But some can look at it and see God’s perfection and will in it, and the steps and blue print that Christ walked and laid down for us to walk.

    If we continue to be distracted by the problems of life and not focus on the purpose of life we will continue to live as sheep for the slaughter. Thank the Father that the war is won through His Son already but it sad to see there is much casualty in these battles because of a lack of knowledge.

  • TKdeuce

    No matter what! God’s will-will be done. So let’s show how a man or a woman of God act and live in perilous times instead of how others are living.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Dear TKdeuce

    You said:
    >> A testimony from one can be hope for others; from books to conversing of one’s victory over a battle is inspiring and help others to know that they are not alone fighting this spiritual war and it can be done.

    Does not matter if it’s all a lie? You happy to accept what the book says even though it’s all lies?

    >> but we must go beyond physical objects and embrace personal relationship with Him. This is how we know.

    Really, where does this say in the bible that we must go beyond what it written or go ‘beyond physical objects’ in the bible?

    >> Yes there are contradictions and errors in the bible,

    Really? Please show us these errors and contradictions? Name 1, that should suffice.

    >> If we continue to be distracted by the problems of life and not focus on the purpose of life

    Tell me what is your purpose in life?

  • TKdeuce

    All things works for the good for those who love the lord…..

    Errors of man are shown by the works of God.

    A bad tree cannot produce good fruits.

    We can bash, prove wrong, or picket abortion clinics, false teachers, different churches, and movie theaters that play movies that goes against Christianity but what will that prove or gain? Does God need man to justify His Word or call out fouls of non-believers and liars? Is our fight against people? If that is the case we are fighting against puppets. Cut one down and another one will be dangle at us (never ending battle). I thought we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Is our mission is to seek out false teaching and show the errors of their works, if that’s the case we have a long journey ahead. What do we profit to tell satan he is a liar and what he is doing is wrong? Are we doing God a favor to warn Christians so they won’t be knocked from the truth?

    “My sheep hears what?” “My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand.”

    Is this what Christ showed us to do? Scriptures says different. Is Christians God’s light of the world or the condemners of the world? It is written let your light so shine before men, that them may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

    God will reveal his plan to us through the relationship He has with us. It will be seen that we all have the same purpose in life but different purpose for living. And by knowing the purpose of life you will understand your purpose of living. All the men of the bible from Adam to Paul had to understand what the purpose in life was in order to embrace their purpose for living.

    I admire you willingness to stand on your truth and to prove the perfect will of God by scripture. I am the same because they are many false teaching that try to turn many astray but by faith in God I stand and by the Holy Spirit and the wisdom He gave me of His Essence I know. Everything I said in all my post can be proven by scripture. My purpose on here is not to discredit anyone. If anyone wants to exchange scripture or thoughts feel free to email me.

    May we all continue to fight a good fight of faith and stand together in Christ as we war against the flesh and evil of this world.

  • TKdeause

    First you ask “Are we doing God a favor to warn Christians so they won’t be knocked from the truth?” and then “I admire your willingness to stand on your truth [our truth?] and to prove the perfect will of God by scripture. I am the same because they are many false teaching that try to turn many astray but by faith in God I stand and by the Holy Spirit and the wisdom He gave me of His Essence I know.”

    What is your purpose? To warn in love or not to warn in [false] love by merely letting your light to shine in a dark world? You also said “Is this what Christ showed us to do? Scriptures says different. Is Christians God’s light of the world or the condemners of the world? It is written let your light so shine before men, that them may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.”

    You have a very dim idea of what it means to let your light shine in the world. Your light demands that we remove Scripture like the following from the Word of God.

    When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand. Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul. (Eze 3:18-19)

    All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. (2 Ti 3:16-17)

    Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear. (1 Ti 5:20) (By the way this it what Paul did when he rebuked Peter for not walking according to the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Remember?).

    Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him; Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.
    (Jas 5:19-20)

    But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. (Gal 1:8-9).

    And yet you seem to regard the above as being the condemners of the world? In that case we must view Paul as one of the most influential condemners of the world because more than two thirds of his epistles condemn false teachers and their teaching – as you can see from Galatians 1: 8-9.

    Really! Your arguments are rather confusing. First you say “Is our fight against people? If that is the case we are fighting against puppets. Cut one down and another one will be dangle at us (never ending battle). I thought we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Is our mission is to seek out false teaching and show the errors of their works, if that’s the case we have a long journey ahead. What do we profit to tell satan he is a liar and what he is doing is wrong? Are we doing God a favor to warn Christians so they won’t be knocked from the truth?” an then right at the end of your comment “May we all continue to fight a good fight of faith and stand together in Christ as we war against the flesh and evil of this world.” Please make up your mind.

    Your arguments seem to stem from the premise that we should never warn anyone but merely sit in our rooms binding the devil and his demons in just about every country so that he is unable to do his dirty work as the god of this world. If that is so, you have a dim view of spiritual warfare.

  • Jenny ritss

    The truth is the only book anyone need is the bible. Testimonies are testimonies and you take them with a grain of salt … If they edify you can take them seriously. Most people are not going to be able to relate to ms brown. I have read all her books. Seems like some truth and seems like some fiction. I was married to a satanist n used to find him up at night sitting amid candles – doing witchcraft. I have hard drives with the things he did to others on them. I was young and left him. I’ve had supernatural and demonic experiences and experiences with satanists but at the end of the day I know I must work out my own salvation with ” fear and trembling” and get the word of God- the bible deep down on the inside. If we focus on Gods word and a prayerful life n stop following people and only Christ… This message board should not even be a discussion.

    ” my house shall be called a house of prayer”

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Dear Jenny ritss

    You sure like to discuss on a board that you believe should not be a discussion board. You want us to be quiet and just you should be able to do the talking is that it?

    I pray your eyes are opened to the truth. Rebecca Brown tells lies mixed with truth. Jesus speaks only the truth, never lies mixed with truth. That is what satan does, he gives testimonies filled with lies and a bit of truth all mixed up so you swallow it whole.

  • Danny

    Hi to all,

    Firstly my hats off to Tom and Deborah for exposing and fighting for the word of JESUS.

    “Who will rise up for me against the evildoers? or who will stand up for me against the workers of iniquity?” ―Psalm 94:16

    I got this book back in 1994 and got my mom to read it. One night while she was asleep, she felt a force trying to strangle the breath out of her.
    She kept on calling Jesus…Jesus and the pressure went away immediately. We all know that the devil exists and his job is to confuse us with things of the world.
    We are renters on earth and God, Our Lord Jesus Christ is the landlord. We are paying him rent by devoting our lives to him by praying and reading his words.

    This book “He came to set the captives free” is no difference than any of the other corrupt bibles out there for sale!!!
    Instead of having a full glass of milk, Satan fills the glass up half water and half milk to stun our growth by feeding us false doctrines and testimonies.

    1 John 4:

    Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 2Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 3And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 4Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. 5They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them. 6We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

    Romans 16 : 17-20

    Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. 18For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple. 19For your obedience is come abroad unto all men. I am glad therefore on your behalf: but yet I would have you wise unto that which is good, and simple concerning evil. 20And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen.

    2 Timothy 4: 3-5

    For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. 5But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.

    Jude 1 : 4

    For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

    Lastly to all my fellow brother and sister in Christ….

    1 Corinthians 10: 21

    Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord’s table, and of the table of devils.

    and

    Galatians 4: 16

    Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?

    I live my life on GOD’S word only….King James Bible.

  • Johni

    A friend gave me a copy of “He Came To Set the Captives Free”. Initially, I thought it was pretty good, and I even ordered a copy for another friend. However, not much further into the book, I began to feel very uneasy, and regretted having ordered one for my other friend. I still have the copy that my friend gave me, only because I haven’t seen her to give it back. But, the one I ordered for my other friend, is currently burning in my wood stove.

    My concern with this blog/article, whatever you call it, is that you put other religious groups in the same category as this. Specifically Seventh-Day Adventist, since I am one. I can’t speak for Mormons or Jehovah’s witnesses, but I’m sure there are plenty of wonderful, truly God fearing, truly saved people in both. However, I’ve been in the Adventist church for 7 years, and as hard as I tried, in the beginning, I couldn’t find not one thing in their teachings that went/go against the Scriptures.

    Maybe, since you know so much about these religions, maybe you’ve had personal experiences with each of them. Because you can’t have an honest opinion if you haven’t.

    So, since you must have had a personal experience, could you please inform me of your knowledge on the false teachings of at least the Adventist church.

  • Johni

    (Edited by DTW URL removed)
    Here is a list of SDA fundamental beliefs.

  • Johni wrote:

    Maybe, since you know so much about these religions, maybe you’ve had personal experiences with each of them. Because you can’t have an honest opinion if you haven’t.

    Personal experience is not the bedrock of discernment – the Bible is. Why? Here’s the answer:

    The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? (Jer 17:9)

    I have just one question for you. Do you believe there is a Hell (Lake of Fire)?

  • Johan

    Hi Tom,
    If you can eloborate on the idea of pilgrimages…..it seems that certain, if not all ,reformed churches, almost propagate the idea of undertaking a pilgramage…….to some or other ‘holy’ destination.
    It has been a tradition to do this, and is now again being practised. Also, it is either into ‘silence’ they go, or some or other experience to be had!
    I cannot recall that the Bible refers to our relationship with God,as a ‘journey’?…….they even quote that Henoch, walked with God and was no more, because God took him to heaven……..never thought that my ‘walk’ with God is similar to a journey?
    Sounds new age to me though…….if I am not seeing something here, please clarify for me.

  • Hi Johan,

    The journey thing comes from Buddhism and is promulgated by the Emergent Church. Buddha said: “It is not the destination that counts but the journey.” The idea behind it is that we are all on the same journey in search the truth. In that way, they are including all religions which supposedly have certain truths Christians may benefit from. It is idolatry of the worst kind. The South African preacher, Stephan Joubert, one of the leading proponents of the Emergent Church and an avid follower of Rob Bell, Tony Jones and especially Leonard Sweet of “Quantum Spirituality” fame, said that there is truth in Buddhism, Judaism and even atheism. He and Leonard Sweet have since denied that they are Emergent Church followers. Fibber!

    Saved persons are in Christ Jesus and as such they don’t need to go on any pilgrimage or journey to achieve spiritual enlightenment or whatever. They only need to abide in Christ Jesus.

  • ruthie cervantes

    the first time a book of Dr Rebecca Brown ended in my hands was throu a Judish friend from Argentina who gave it to my to read in 1996,PREPAREMONOS PARA LA GUERRA IN ISPANISH i read probaby half of the book and put the book away… to focus in my bilble daily reading… the book was in my house for more than 15 years(I DON UNDERSTAND WAY every time i clean my home from too much books this particular book always remains in my shelfs)and in 2012 when My 16 year old son star to show very odd behave.He make me comments about nightmares and satanic witchcraft in school activities,I check for this book and read it all with my son and GOD BLESS THE LADY WHO WROTE this manual ‘Prepare for war”if is not for this book we probably be dead by now.NOt even the local churches or pastors have the revelation of what to do!Thank you DR Rebecca Brown GOD PUT YOUR BOOK IN MY HANDS 20 YEARS BEFORE TO BRING LIGHT to our lives and literally fight good and have the freedom and the Victory in Yashua HA messaih what we live now. GOD bless you for ever….

  • Hi Johan

    I wrote an article: ‘What Journey or Path are you on?’ – https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2015/03/20/what-journey-or-path-are-you-on/ this might help explain as well.

  • Johni

    >> I’ve been in the Adventist church for 7 years, and as hard as I tried, in the beginning, I couldn’t find not one thing in their teachings that went/go against the Scriptures.

    So you follow the prophetess Ellen G White who is the one who came up with the Seventh Day Adventist religion? You say you can’t find anything about this religion that is false? Have you studied Ellen’s books and writings? I think you should. Then come back and tell me that there is nothing unscriptural about this religion.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Thank you Danny!!

  • Tony Griffin

    SDA religion is a cult. Ellen G White was a heretic. I actually like this blog I think it’s good. Keep up the good work. Proper biblical exegesis is what these people need. I just happened upon the site because I saw something about Rebecca Brown. I didn’t know who she was until recently. She’s not even a believer in the biblical Jesus. Which makes her regenerates believing in a Jesus of her own making which is Idolatry. I have read some of her stuff and what I’m finding is she’s very demonic . Anyway I like the article . I also teach the Bible as well. In a sense reading all these comments have been both comical and sad. But you guys are doing a good job I think it’s good.

  • Maddy

    interesting argument spanning over a year…yet nobody convinced me of anything… ?

  • Maddy, are you by any chance convinceable – at all?

  • Tony Griffin

    Maddy,
    What is it specifically that you were not convinced of? Both Tom and DebOrah are correct in their assessment of Rebecca Brown. Believe me . However what is it specifically that you don’t understand or don’t agree with or are not convinced of ? At least give a chance to explain more. Have you repented and believed in the Lord Jesus Christ?

  • Patricia

    Deborah, you have so criticised Rebecca for misleading people in her books are teaching, what do you have to say about the Roman Catholics who worship and bow down to idols of which God explicitly warn us about (Rebecca wrote about this too). Considering the amount of followers of Roman Catholic don’t you think they are leading a multitude to hell?

  • Patricia, you seem to say it’s alright to mislead people because others like the RCC are doing the same. I’m sure you know what the Bible says about those who mislead others. Let’s look at some of the things the Bible says about deceivers.

    Then said he unto the disciples, It is impossible but that offences will come: but woe unto him, through whom they come! It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones. (Luk 17:1-2)

    Why the sea? Because that’s where God casts all the sins of those who had received forgiveness.

    He will turn again, he will have compassion upon us; he will subdue our iniquities; and thou wilt cast all their sins into the depths of the sea. (Mic 7:19)

    God casts deceivers into the depths of the sea where He had cast the sins of all whom He had forgiven.

    Many preachers, pastors, and clergy warn against the Roman Catholic Church whilst they themselves are knee-deep into deception and erroneous doctrines. John MacArthur, a Calvinist, has spoken out against the RCC many times and yet he himself will never admit that Calvinism is an offshoot of Roman Catholicism. The beam and the mote are of no consequence any longer. I call it hypocrisy in overdrive.

    Here is some more info on Rebecca Brown. You can find it here.

    You know, also during that time, in the 1980s, there were those who were being set free from the various cult groups like Jehovah’s Witnesses and Mormons, and they were establishing ministries specifically targeted to the groups they left, and so this allowed us the opportunity to refocus our attention into other matters, because these men and women were doing a fine job of providing research and resources on those mainline cults. And then I guess that kind of a turning point for us was in 1989 when we kind of added a new ingredient and that was investigative reporting. We had begun to receive a flood of inquiries about Rebecca Brown and her sidekick Elaine. Elaine claims to have been a prominent witch, and she was even married to Satan; she says Satan materialized a human body for the union. And her books were popular, and they were being published by Jack Chick, who was famous for those cartoon tracts. And really, Brown’s theology of demons and spiritual warfare were off the charts. You know, she saw a demon under every rock and said everyone that addressed her unbiblical doctrine and practice was secretly a Satanist or at least working in conjunction with them, and her background and the historical facts that she present in her books, they were very vague and very elusive, and so we tried to follow up, based on the requests that we received. We tried to follow up on the geographic and historical claims, but we kept running into dead ends.

    And one day I was having a conversation with a fellow that was head of another apologetic ministry in the Chicago area, and he said, “Well, you know, if you start searching out Ruth Bailey, not Rebecca Brown, you might meet with some more success.” And so we took his advice and, man, the floodgates opened up for us. Rebecca Brown, whose real name was Ruth Bailey, was a medical doctor in rural Indiana, and her medical license had been stripped because of this bizarre behavior. And so myself and another PFO director visited the medical licensing board in Indiana and asked if we could see what information they had on Ruth Bailey, and they asked, “Well, what interest do you have? What’s your reason for this?” And so we explained to them, and they said, “Well, come back here,” and they took us back into a conference room, and they said, “Wait here.”

    And several minutes later, they brought this massive file into us and set it down in front of us and said, “Here it is. If you need any more help, let us know.” And so we spent hours going through those documents, and they yielded affidavits, they yielded police reports, hospital reports, family contacts, on and on. And so we literally spent days in Indiana speaking to the police, family members, and other authorities, and so we let a publishing [company] know the results of our investigation in our newsletter publication, and actually, subsequently in a small booklet, Drugs, Demons, and Delusions , and then both Brown and Jack Chick argued that we were really witches and Satanists, and the materials that we cited, we made that all up; that was all fabricated, and the authorities that we talked to, the family members we talked to were all Satanists!

    There’s not a single place in the Bible that says or even suggests that Satan ia able to manifest himself in the flesh or something that looks like flesh so that the naked eye can see him. Not once.

  • Dear Patricia

    Of course the Roman Catholic doctrine is evil to it’s core as it stems directly from Babylon. Did you know that Simom Magus walked with the disciples (acting like a Christian), Rebecca Brown does the same, she prances around acting like a Christian. The bible tells us we are to mark (Romans 16:17-18) as a false teacher, and false teachers were kicked out of the fellowship with the disciples (Romans 16:17 as you should do with all false teachers you are to avoid them )in today’s world they are welcomed in instead of kick out. Did you know that Simom Petr Magus (the Sorcerer) went on to Rome who instituted the Roman Catholic church and that is why they call Peter their Saint. It’s not Peter the Apostle but the Sorcerer Simon ‘Petr’ Magus and started the Roman Catholic church.

    Pointing out Rebecca Brown’s false teaching is the same as when the Apostles pointed out others false teaching and named them so in letters to churches all over – so the churches would know WHO THEY WERE. Would you have said to the Apostle Paul, “Hey Apostle Paul, you criticizing Rebecca Brown for misleading people in her books…but just to let you know she has openly spoken of the evils of the Roman Catholic church, my golly golly gosh that should surely make her a genuine Christian if she is exposing darkness, that would make her a Christian for sure, right???”

    Paul would say:

    2 Corinthians 11:14-15 14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 15Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness [like REBECCA BROWN fo instance]; whose end shall be according to their works.

  • ROBERT MANYATHELO

    I wonder if it is necessary to spend so much time preaching against others?? I thought Jesus has only commanded only to preach goodness…a good report…so we have nothing to do woth a bad report????

    The charge is – All power in heaven and on earth has been given unto me, go ye therefore preach the gospel to all creatures, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you, ..baptizing them…

    So where did Jesus commannd us to preach against any other gospel/false teachers?? What’s the good news in that?? The bible certainly teaches and states–that the feet of those who preach the gospel are good! what about those who teach and criticise others??? What benefit do we have?

    If you are a child of God, just like others you have received the same spirit other childeren of God have received….so all children of God know the truth…coz the spirit knows all thing…2nd John 2:27.

    I think you must resort to preaching the gospel and leave God to charge whoever needs to judged—you just preach the gospel—good news.–compile them to come..teach it in and out of season….this is the grass that the flock(sheep) need….sheep do not need to be told which grass is right for them…by nature they know — it is in them…so the run for the green grass by default.

    No offence…from Botswana with the love of God..glory to the maker of haeven forever-amen! The covenant making and keeping God–is enthroned in Zion –his favour is upon it..for he has choosen it…shame be upon his enemies..but his saints shall be ardoned with radiant/shining/glorious crowns….they shall see the Lord’s vengeance upon their enemies-and the saints shall wash their feet with the blood of the wicked…for he shall feed them (the saints enemies) with thier own flesh…and make them drunk with their own blood as if with sweet wine…since it is a righteous thing with the Lord to trouble those who trouble the saints with trouble! Amen.

  • Dear ROBERT MANYATHELO

    No offence…but please answer these questions:

    1) Do you believe that everyone that calls themselves a Christian is actually a Christian? Matthew 7:21-23
    2) Tell me where in my article or in any comment I have not preached the truth, the good news of the Word of God?
    3) When Jesus Christ warned us of false teachers, false preachers, false Christs coming in His Name to deceive millions do you think He was preaching bad news and going against His Word? Matthew 7:15
    4) When the Apostle Paul wrote letters to other churches warning them of people he knew well that had turned against the gospel that he was wrong and going against scripture?
    5) When you warn someone that they believe in false teaching and they turn away from false teaching to the gospel truth, you are snatching them from the fires of hell, do you think this is a bad thing that someone should warn? If you don’t warn their blood will be on your hands. (Ezekiel 3:18)
    6) Let’s use the same logic that you apply to the Word of God to a family member of yours. An example, your child is on drugs; would you do everything in your power to tell your child that what they are doing is wrong and try help them get out of the mess they care caught up in – which is good news, or would you leave your child to die from an overdose because saying anything to your child to help them you consider bad news?

  • Diana Kate

    After I read the first few points I stopped reading this — because they were WRONG. I have read several of Rebecca Brown’s books (and about 300 from other pastors and teachers) and found them to be quite accurate. Soon of the scriptures she wrongly applies but I believe she is doing her best. Let me ask you, why would a doctor who has a great salary, prestige etc… give up her profession to spend her time helping people get delivered from the occult. I found it amazing she took these people in to her home. She knew her life was going to get extremely difficult. Why would she risk it for something untrue?

  • Sadie Mae

    After I read the first few points I stopped reading this — because they were WRONG. I have read several of Rebecca Brown’s books (and about 300 from other pastors and teachers) and found them to be quite accurate. Soon of the scriptures she wrongly applies but I believe she is doing her best. Let me ask you, why would a doctor who has a great salary, prestige etc… give up her profession to spend her time helping people get delivered from the occult. I found it amazing she took these people in to her home. She knew her life was going to get extremely difficult. Why would she risk it for something untrue?

  • Are you Sadie Mae or Diana Kate? Make up your mind.

    I can understand why you only read the first few points and then stopped reading because you don’t know whether you are Arthur or Martha. Is that how you read your Bible as well – only the first few points and then stop reading?

    It is a well-documented fact that Rebecca Brown lied about many things regarding her ministry. If you are prepared to follow lies which come from the devil because he is the father of all lies (John 8:44) that’s your prerogative, not ours.

    https://www.thebereancall.org/content/spider-bites

  • Dee

    Can anyone tell me exactly what the cause of death was for “Elaine” 2/19/05?

  • Phil

    Thomas Lessing (Watch and Pray / Waak en Bid) wrote:

    Phil,

    Why do you prefer to follow the teaching of a person who tells lies to her readers when the right thing to do is to follow Jesus Christ?

    Read these articles.

    T. A. McMahon & Kurt Goedelman (Part 2)

    Spider bites

    The right thing is to follow Jesus.
    Why dont you point out the lies she has written?

  • Phil

    Tom (Discerning the World) wrote:

    Patricia, you seem to say it’s alright to mislead people because others like the RCC are doing the same. I’m sure you know what the Bible says about those who mislead others. Let’s look at some of the things the Bible says about deceivers.

    Then said he unto the disciples, It is impossible but that offences will come: but woe unto him, through whom they come! It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones. (Luk 17:1-2)

    Why the sea? Because that’s where God casts all the sins of those who had received forgiveness.

    He will turn again, he will have compassion upon us; he will subdue our iniquities; and thou wilt cast all their sins into the depths of the sea. (Mic 7:19)

    God casts deceivers into the depths of the sea where He had cast the sins of all whom He had forgiven.

    Many preachers, pastors, and clergy warn against the Roman Catholic Church whilst they themselves are knee-deep into deception and erroneous doctrines. John MacArthur, a Calvinist, has spoken out against the RCC many times and yet he himself will never admit that Calvinism is an offshoot of Roman Catholicism. The beam and the mote are of no consequence any longer. I call it hypocrisy in overdrive.

    Here is some more info on Rebecca Brown. You can find it here.

    You know, also during that time, in the 1980s, there were those who were being set free from the various cult groups like Jehovah’s Witnesses and Mormons, and they were establishing ministries specifically targeted to the groups they left, and so this allowed us the opportunity to refocus our attention into other matters, because these men and women were doing a fine job of providing research and resources on those mainline cults. And then I guess that kind of a turning point for us was in 1989 when we kind of added a new ingredient and that was investigative reporting. We had begun to receive a flood of inquiries about Rebecca Brown and her sidekick Elaine. Elaine claims to have been a prominent witch, and she was even married to Satan; she says Satan materialized a human body for the union. And her books were popular, and they were being published by Jack Chick, who was famous for those cartoon tracts. And really, Brown’s theology of demons and spiritual warfare were off the charts. You know, she saw a demon under every rock and said everyone that addressed her unbiblical doctrine and practice was secretly a Satanist or at least working in conjunction with them, and her background and the historical facts that she present in her books, they were very vague and very elusive, and so we tried to follow up, based on the requests that we received. We tried to follow up on the geographic and historical claims, but we kept running into dead ends.

    And one day I was having a conversation with a fellow that was head of another apologetic ministry in the Chicago area, and he said, “Well, you know, if you start searching out Ruth Bailey, not Rebecca Brown, you might meet with some more success.” And so we took his advice and, man, the floodgates opened up for us. Rebecca Brown, whose real name was Ruth Bailey, was a medical doctor in rural Indiana, and her medical license had been stripped because of this bizarre behavior. And so myself and another PFO director visited the medical licensing board in Indiana and asked if we could see what information they had on Ruth Bailey, and they asked, “Well, what interest do you have? What’s your reason for this?” And so we explained to them, and they said, “Well, come back here,” and they took us back into a conference room, and they said, “Wait here.”

    And several minutes later, they brought this massive file into us and set it down in front of us and said, “Here it is. If you need any more help, let us know.” And so we spent hours going through those documents, and they yielded affidavits, they yielded police reports, hospital reports, family contacts, on and on. And so we literally spent days in Indiana speaking to the police, family members, and other authorities, and so we let a publishing [company] know the results of our investigation in our newsletter publication, and actually, subsequently in a small booklet, Drugs, Demons, and Delusions , and then both Brown and Jack Chick argued that we were really witches and Satanists, and the materials that we cited, we made that all up; that was all fabricated, and the authorities that we talked to, the family members we talked to were all Satanists!

    There’s not a single place in the Bible that says or even suggests that Satan ia able to manifest himself in the flesh or something that looks like flesh so that the naked eye can see him. Not once.

    Well, what about when he appeared to Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden. was that not manifestation in the flesh, though not human flesh?

  • Phil

    Tom (Discerning the World) wrote:

    princess

    What is wrong with the Bible in making people more aware of God, his love for us through Jesus Christ? Isn’t the Bible sufficient in doing that? You make it sound as if the Bible cannot exist without Brown’s books. Your experience or anyone else’s experience cannot corroborate Brown’s books as being true or not. First of all, where in the Bible do we ever read that Satan took on a man’s form to present himself to people? That’s just plain nonsense.

    In what form then did satan tempt Jesus? Human?

  • Samuel

    Tom and Deborah has been doing quite a great job to clarify things on this issue.I have read this woman’s book before,I just picked the book yestaday to read for the second time.This morning as I was reading still in chapter1 I just got curious to know who this Rebecca brown is in person,lo and behold I stumbled on this blog.but what baffled me most is the fact that I read that her real name is not Rebecca brown.The question in my heart is why the change of name?I stand to be corrected.

  • Hi Samuel,

    The changing of names seems to be common among false teachers, especially those who follow an unbiblical view of spiritual warfare. I’m not suggesting that I am correct but it could be that because she is in a so-called deliverance ministry that she got her idea from here:

    Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name. (Rev 3:12)

    That’s just a thought. Don’t take my word for it.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:

    moriah

    No dear Moriah, I do not attack TRUE ministers of God. I expose the wolves that come into the church dressed as sheep who preach another gospel, another Jesus and another spirit. Rebecca Brown is one of those WOLVES. If you don’t want to see the truth after I explained to you in the article her false doctrine then I feel sorry for you. I pray you listen to the Holy Spirit warning you,

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