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What a load of unmitigated ignorant, arrogant drivel! A simplistic approach to a very complex subject. Anyone could cherry pick Bible verses and make the same kind of accusations about us. And let’s remember the Crusades (which not only targeted Muslims, but also Eastern Christians), the Inquisition (which targeted not only Jews and Muslims, but anyone who didn’t parrot the approved dogma), the bloody battles of the Reformation, and the present day Reconstructionists/Dominionists who have a similar agenda.
There is plenty of blame/error to go around, and we all share in it. The disrespect and ignorance demonstrated here is not constructive. A cheap, shoddy politicization calculated to manipulate naive, gullible people. Does nothing to elevate the Church or the name of Christ – Who, incidentally, died for Muslims as well as everyone else. The end of this self-righteous, immature rant speaks volumes.
I thought America’s soldiers were already at risk–from those who believe in the absolutism of the Koran!
These are excellent oservations by the announcer.
The really worrying thing is that a military man claims that the burning of the Koran was “hateful and intolerant”. Has he, and other biased people like him, ever read the Koran? If they haven’t, why are they arguing from ignorance? If you did that in a school or college exam, you would fail the exam–and rightly so!
That they are arguing from ignorance is worrying enough. But! What if they’re NOT arguing from ignorance and have actually read the Koran? That means they are condoning the hateful and intolerant statements towards infidels (all non-Moslems) that are in the Koran. And anyone and everyone who has read the Koran knows that is the case.
That is outrageous hypocrisy and it is closely aligned to stupidity. After all it is not even logical. An intelligent child could see through that ridiculous nonsense.
The military man has probably never heard the wise words of Douglas MacArthur. He said, “Timidity breeds agression in an enemy.” That’s why he was a great general.
Britain didn’t realize that when our leaders called Hitler a man of peace and Churchill–who exposed Hitler’s plans–was called a warmonger by our liberal elite. (I am not trying to be funny. That is historical fact.) And that was also in spite of the fact that Hitler had alread written and published Mein Kampf in which he made it clear what he planned to do in the near future. And when the liberals had no sooner cheered our foolish minister who claimed it was going to be peace in our time–Hitler marched into Poland. Czechoslovakia wasn’t enough for him.
These “leaders” in the US (and in Britain) who are bending over backwards to appease Islam, know nothing of the mentality of aggressors, let alone of history. We all know the adage that history teaches us that rulers and nations learn nothing from history–and that those who learn nothing from history are condemned to repeat it.
Well, America is merely biding her short time. So is Britain the rest of the west for that matter: Mene, mene tekel uparshin!
I don’t think you heard what the presenter said. He said he does not agree with Pastor Jones who burned the Qur’an. I too am against it because that’s not the way to evangelize anyone. The point he made was that the American leadership in both government and the military are a bunch of hypocrites who say one thing and do another. Burning the Qur’an is totally wrong and so is the burning of the Bible. And please don’t tell me Islam is tolerant. Christians and Jews aren’t allowed to build their synagogues and churches in Muslim countries. Bibles are taboo and anyone who owns one is taken to chop-chop square where their heads are severed from their bodies – as if that can stop the God of the Bible (of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob) from revealing Him to Muslims and saving them. Many Muslims have turned to Jesus Christ for their salvation these last few decades. Guess what happened to many of them? They were butchered. Why? Well, because the Qur’an says they must be killed. Perhaps it is time for you to turn to Jesus Christ for your salvation.
And by the way, the Crusaders (Roman Catholics) weren’t Christians. Those who take up arms in the Name of Christ to further their cause is doing so in disobedience to Jesus Christ who said:
Christians do not hate Muslims. We love them and desire their salvation because that is what the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob desires for them (2 Peter 3:9).
You are correct. We do desire the salvation of every one. As you quote from 2 Pet 3:9, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob does desire that we all be saved. A reading of the Koran and Haddiths, show that the god of Ishmael and Mohammad certainly does not desire such a thing. I am only pleased that he does not exist.
The Bible talks of the simplicity that is in Christ [2 Cor 11:3] and the subtlety of Satan Gen 3:1].
Isn’t it interesting that when we look at God’s creation as intricate and complex and as incredibly vast as it is, it is never complicated. It always has order, even in what appears to be chaotic!
Logic, for example, is ordered. Clinging to unproven theory means ignoring logic. It’s a bit like the theory of evolution which has to ignore the Scientific Method and ignore the static and immutable Laws of Thermodynamics and the Law of Thermodynamics. (That is why evolution has to remain a theory: it cannot be backed by the scientific method which demands observation in action and experimentation for study.) That is why evolution, like psychology, is pseudo-science.
Logic and mathematics, though sometimes intricate, is never compicated. In fact they, like nature, are the antithesis of complication. As they are creations of God that should not surprise us.
That’s why I find Nancy Butler’s statements interesting. I would probably find them highly amusing if I did not think of the result of such thinking.
She emotionally calls the video “unmitigated and arrogant drivel” without saying why. It would seem that she appears to think that because she believes that–without giving an explanation–that we should then except her conclusion on her say so. Now that would stike me as a tad arrogant. What she calls “a simplistic approach to very complex subect” is her persoanl take on the matter wich is not particularly objective. In fact her emotive language suggests it is actually subjective.
I cannot see what is wrong with a simplistic approach. As I say, the whole thing about God-created logic is simplistic because it keeps us to the point. I don’t see anything complex about the subect. And it is not to anyone who has actually studied the matter.
As you point out, what have the Crusades and Inquisition to do with Christians. Both of these things were the birthchild of the Papacy and only ever practised by the Roman Catholics! As to the bloody battlea of the Reformation (which weren’t Christian either), they could not have been birthed but in retaliation to the Inquisition: The Reformers were not only former Romanists, many of their leaders had been Catholic priests and even bishops. They knew the mentality of those with whom they were dealing.
She mentions disrespect. I am afraid that respect has to be earned. It does not come gratis. Maybe Ms Butler should think on that. She should check the meanings of Taqqiya, Dhimmi and Jihad and ask were the respect is in those things!
If she finds areguing from ignorance is not constructive, I would take that further and say it can be positively destructive. Self-righteous, immature rants do speak volumes. That’s why Nancy Butler’s comments give the impression that she does not see the irony in her own statements. Those who have an ironical sense of humour would likely find them highly amusing.