So What does God think of us according to Theo Geyser
About sixteen years ago Coetzee Zietsman, one of the cameramen of the series, “What does God think of us?”on SABC2, produced a similar program for SABC TV. It was probably one of the most shocking programs ever to hit the TV airwaves in South Africa. It showed in graphical detail how South African sangomas (witchdoctors) are initiated into the occult practice of communicating with their dead ancestors. One of the methods used to appease the ancestral spirits and to determine whether they approve of the candidates who have been chosen to become sangomas is the following:
The candidate is told to lie on the ground, usually on her left side opposite a goat which is lain down in a similar position on its right side. Both are covered with a single animal skin that serves as a blanket. The focal point in the ceremony is the goat because it allegedly functions as a medium through which the ancestral spirits communicate their wishes. The candidate must then simulate sex with the goat. If the goat reacts in a positive way, so to speak, it is a sign that the ancestors are pleased with the candidate and that she may proceed to the next part of the ceremony. The goat’s jugular vein is then slit and while a gush of blood spurts out freely the candidate puts her mouth to the gaping wound and starts to drink the blood. Sometimes the blood is caught up in a beaker for her to drink.
Thanks be to God, there are many black South African citizens whose spiritual eyes have been opened to the dangerous and demoniacal bondage they’ve been exposed to while they were sangomas and witchdoctors. Unfortunately they are but a very small number who have escaped the clutches of Satan and now refuse to worship their ancestors. Not only were they saved for all eternity through the unadulterated preaching of the Gospel of Jesus Christ but have been completely liberated from their demon possession. They know exactly what it means when God says: “You will know the truth and the truth will set your free.”The million dollar question however is: do many white so-called Christ-followers know this? Apparently not.
The opening scene of “What does God think of us,” that was broadcast on SABC2 on April 24 2011 shows how a former sangoma who had been saved by the grace of God burns all the paraphernalia she used to supposedly communicate with their dead ancestors. I have written this comment on the program to show you to what extent Theo Geyser, the presenter of the new series, will go to demean biblical missionary work amongst all the nations and to sneer at Christians (black and white). There’s a similar incident in Scripture where new converts to Christ Jesus willingly burned their books on magic in public.
And God was doing extraordinary miracles by the hands of Paul, so that even handkerchiefs or aprons that had touched his skin were carried away to the sick, and their diseases left them and the evil spirits came out of them. Then some of the itinerant Jewish exorcists undertook to invoke the name of the Lord Jesus over those who had evil spirits, saying, “I adjure you by the Jesus whom Paul proclaims.” Seven sons of a Jewish high priest named Sceva were doing this. But the evil spirit answered them, “Jesus I know, and Paul I recognize, but who are you?” And the man in whom was the evil spirit leaped on them, mastered all of them and overpowered them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded. And this became known to all the residents of Ephesus, both Jews and Greeks. And fear fell upon them all, and the name of the Lord Jesus was extolled. Also many of those who were now believers came, confessing and divulging their practices. And a number of those who had practiced magic arts brought their books together and burned them in the sight of all. And they counted the value of them and found it came to fifty thousand pieces of silver. So the word of the Lord continued to increase and prevail mightily. (Acts 19:11-20) (Emphasis added)
Fear, holy fear, opens blind eyes to the Truth and sets bound people free as we’ve seen from the above incident in Scripture. However, few people are aware of the fact that a very important scene from this incident had been removed from the Bible. It depicts a young man who, while the new converts were piling up their magical paraphernalia onto the bonfire, approached them gently and with an unheard of compassion and love in his vocal chords said the following journey-friendly thing:[audio:http://1joh4.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/sangoma1.mp3|titles=Theo Geyser being Journey Friendley]
What this young man said, and you may have recognized the voice as that of Theo Geyser, a leading figure in the Emerging Apostasy (Church) in South Africa, is so extremely important that I must put his words in writing. Here’s what he said – again.
“I was wondering. Is this the best way to engage a culture, to burn somebody’s religion and to send somebody to a burning stake (Theo obviously does not know the difference between the burning of magical arts and paraphernalia in public and the burning at a stake of a human being. Suffice is to remind him that the burning of human flesh emits an entirely different odor than the burning of magical books and paraphernalia) by condemning them and to get them on your side and sing a hallelujah chorus (Theo, Theo Theo, the whole purpose in the burning of magical arts is not to get people on your side but to get them on Jesus Christ’s side who condemned the practice of magical arts thousands of years ago in Deuteronomy 18. But then again, you wouldn’t know what the real Jesus of the Bible said because you have long-gone rejected everything He taught and prefer to follow a false Christ). What if the approach need (sic) to be like Jesus, to be more interested in the person than in the method or the expression of their faith? (Well, Theo, wouldn’t you agree that Jesus is more interested in the magnifying and exultation of his Name? Look again at what happened in Ephesus. The burning of their magical arts and their abandonment of the expression of their old faith lead to the greater advancement of the Word of God and to its prevalence amongst God’s people). What if this can be one of the biggest opportunities to broaden your horizon, to meet God and to be changed and be changed yourself in that circumstance? I’m wondering and I think maybe that is the way we need to go if we have a conviction that we can’t take Jesus to anybody but that he’s already present in somebody’s life. Maybe a sangoma can be an opportunity to meet Jesus.”
Theo Geyser was in the very fortunate position to personally be with Jesus when He said certain vitally important things to his disciples. Once again I must inform my readers that these precious moments with Theo Geyser, Jesus and his disciples have been omitted from the original Bible but are now incorporated in every new post modern mystical IMAGINED VERSION of the Bible. Why it was left out in the original Bible no-one knows? Maybe you can tell me. You will recall that prior to his ascension Jesus said the following:
Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.” (Matthew 28:19-20) (Emphasis added).
Suddenly a young man whose vocal chords resonated with deep compassion and love shouldered his way through the disciples, stood right in front of Jesus and said:
Jesus, aren’t you just a little bit and slightly deluded? Do we really need to go into the whole world to bring you and your message to the lost sheep of Israel and to all the gentile nations out there? Surely, you must have heard what I said recently in my exquisitely “Christ-like-orientated” TV program “What does God think of us” on SABC2? I said: “If we have a conviction that we can’t take you to anybody but that you’re already present in their lives, then we may even get an opportunity to meet you in the life of a sangoma or a witchdoctor. A witchdoctor is nothing else than a healer. You should know that; you yourself are a healer (You should read “The Life of a Galilean Shaman: Jesus of Nazareth in Anthropological-Historical Perspective”, written by Pieter Craffert. It’s just so adorable what he says about You).
Jesus listened in sheer wonderment to Theo Geyser’s emerging/emergent wisdom and said with great appreciation.
Thanks for reminding me, Theo. Hadn’t you done so I would have sent my disciples out into the world for all the wrong reasons. In fact, the entire world loves me so much but hate my church that I have decided to appoint you as a watchman over all my biblical pronouncements, lest I say something that might offend the world. I really do not want the world to think that I am a fundamentalist. The first thing I want you to do is to remove the atrocious portion in Scripture where I declare that the world hated me before it hated you (John 15:18). That’s an infamous lie! I now humbly admit and ask your forgiveness. Will you do that? You’re quite right. The world does not hate me because I am already in the lives of every single person on earth, even those who call themselves sangomas and witchdoctors. I now realize that there is absolutely no difference whatsoever between the secular (profane) and the religious. Ha! ha! Once again I must admit that I did not know this until I read Stephan Joubert’s excellent prizewinning book “Jesus, a Radical Leap.” Have you read his groundbreaking book? I can assure you, aside from my Book that I wrote, his is the most important of this century. Not even the books by Brian McLaren, Leonard Sweet, Rob Bell (“Love Wins”) and all the other emergent brothers come close to the illustrious magnificence of his book. On page 150 he wrote:
- One correction: Terms like “the real world” and a “religious world” never existed then. Jesus never made a distinction between “us” and “them,” or between the world of the church and the lost world out there. The separation between holy and profane is an artificial creation of the later church with all their cathedrals, cloisters, titles, holy days and limitless perimeters between church and world. Listen carefully, Jesus never instituted it and neither did He approve of it or promote it.
Wow! I must admit that this is a real eye opener to me. Indeed I will listen to Stephan Joubert very carefully because even I can learn from such a great guru as he. I never knew that I championed the idea that we should never distinguish between the religious and the profane. Therefore I would like you, as my appointed watchman, to remove the following portions in Scripture that in fact do make a distinction between the profane and the religious. I really do not want my readers to think that I was such a sour spoiler of their fun loving lives. In addition, I would like to apologize on behalf of my Father who said “Be ye holy, because I am holy.” What He actually meant was “Be ye paradoxically holy/profane because I am paradoxically holy/profane.” As a token of My and my Father’s sincere apologies I want you to erase these portions in Scripture as soon as you can. If you really love Me and want to follow Me, you’d best do it at your earliest convenience.
1) Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect. (Romans 12:2).
2) But if you have bitter jealousy and selfish ambition in your hearts, do not boast and be false to the truth. This is not the wisdom that comes down from above, but is earthly, unspiritual, demonic. For where jealousy and selfish ambition exist, there will be disorder and every vile practice. (James 3:14-16).
3) You adulterous people! Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Therefore whoever wishes to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God. Or do you suppose it is to no purpose that the Scripture says, “He yearns jealously over the spirit that he has made to dwell in us”? (James 4:4-5)
4) Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. (1 John 2:15).
I must say, I do not like what you said in your closing statement to your program ”What does God think of us.” You said: Christians often tell me that whoever is a friend of the world is an enemy of God and you must get away from them and isolate yourself. But don’t you think you have gone a little too far in your endorsement of an all inclusive religiosity by your statement that people may find me in the demoniac practices of a sangoma or a witchdoctor? Don’t you realize that the verse you are referring to is a direct command of God the Father? Therefore, you’re wrong to imply that it is merely Christians who tell you this. Let us quote the verse in its proper context and stop misinterpreting what it really says:
- Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership has righteousness with lawlessness? Or what fellowship has light with darkness? What accord has Christ with Belial? Or what portion does a believer share with an unbeliever? What agreement has the temple of God with idols? For we are the temple of the living God; as God said, “I will make my dwelling among them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Therefore go out from their midst, and be separate from them, says the Lord, and touch no unclean thing; then I will welcome you, and I will be a father to you, and you shall be sons and daughters to me, says the Lord Almighty.” (2 Corinthians 6:14-18).
As you can see idolatry is the issue here. Idolatry in all its forms – and you may check this out with your buddy, Trevor Hudson – is detestable in the eyes of God the Father. He hates idolatry so much that He sent Me to die on a wooden cross (the wooden cross you and your friend, Koos van der Merwe hailed with reverence in your song years ago) so that I may deliver sinners whom Satan and their bondage to their idolatrous ways. Have you never read the scripture that says “To this end was the Son of God manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil” (1 John 3:8b). And yet you glibly counteract Paul in 2 Corinthians 6:14-18 by saying: “I wonder whether that isn’t perhaps the biggest way in which my life testifies against Christ, that such an approach is anti-Christian. Because the whole Gospel message is that He became human. He doesn’t try to convert the culture in some way but He gave His life for it.”
Do you really think I laid down my life on a cursed wooden cross so that people may remain locked in their culture of idolatry and rebellion against my Father? Are you really so deceived to be convinced that I am already in the lives of people who openly rebel against my Father who loathes and detests their idolatry? Do you mind if I asked you a few more questions? I’m sure you wouldn’t. In any case, you will have to give an account of every word you said on your program in the Day of Judgment.
- But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned. (Matthew 12:36-37)
Here now are my questions.
1) Why didn’t you repudiate two members of the Regina Mundi Roman Catholic Church who respectively said: “Without my ancestors, I can’t do anything” and “We see the ancestors and God as the same thing”? They unashamedly spat in My face and openly rejected Me who once said: “Without Me you can do nothing” (John 5:15).
2) In the light of what one lady said: “We see the ancestors and God as the same thing” why didn’t you repudiate Prof. Tinyeko Maluleke who tried to make a difference between “venerate” and “worship” but didn’t quite succeed. In his own words: “I don’t think that Africans have ever worshiped ancestors in the same way they worship God.” Are there two ways of worshiping – one in reverence for the ancestors and the other in reverence for God? This is the kind of dualism you find in every pagan religion and cult. They allegedly worship God but also something or someone else. The Roman Catholic Church, for instance, denies that they worship Mother Mary but they do in fact worship her.
How can you possibly teach people that I am already in the lives of even the worst kind of idolaters. Have you never heard me say:
- You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him.(Romans 8:9)
In conclusion I would like to quote to you an excerpt from an article written by Tom McMahon and Dave Hunt in their monthly newsletter “The Berean Call.”
RELIGION IN THE NEWS
A report and comment on religious trends and events being covered by the media. This week’s item is from Ecumenical News International. A South African archbishop has suggested that a Libation of Blood, a ritual pouring as a symbolic sacrifice honoring the ancestors of black Africans should be incorporated into local Catholic liturgies such as the mass. Archbishop Buti Tlhagale of Bloemfontein said recently, “sacrifice to the ancestors continues to be a very common practice among Africans. The slaughtering of an animal, a cow or sheep takes place wherever there is a funeral or marriage feast, or in times of illness, unemployment, family feuds or the birth of a child.”
Dave, as a former Catholic, I think this is pushing it a little bit. I’m sure there are, particularly traditional Catholics out there who would just go crazy over something like that. But the Archbishop, he makes a point in the article, I’ll pick up on that. He said the practice should be considered in the context of enculturation according to which local indigenous culture and values are a means of presenting, reformulating and living the Christian faith, he suggested. Now Catholic, or otherwise this is not the Christian faith.
Well, of course black Africans are making sacrifices to their ancestors. Of course they are still involved in ancestral worship, does that make it right? We’re supposed to go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. We are supposed to deliver people from ancestral worship, from the false ideas. I mean, by this idea then, enculturation, you would accept anything that anybody does. Any witchdoctor, whether it’s in Africa, the South Pacific or in Scandinavia, people have had all kinds of pagan practices down through history, today in North America, North American witchcraft, Indian witchcraft, the medicine men and so forth. This is so much a part of their culture; you cannot separate it from their culture. Therefore, because it’s part of the culture, does that mean then we must incorporate it into Christianity? It doesn’t mean that Christianity is going to destroy culture, meaning some of the purely cultural customs, how you live you know, the houses you live in, the kind of clothes you wear, the tools you have, the way you do your farming. This is culture, but you can’t say because their religion is part of their culture, therefore we must not interfere with their religion. That doesn’t make sense at all because religion will take people to hell. Now, what we’re doing then, according to this Archbishop we are going to compromise Christianity. We’re going to confuse it. We’re going to mix the pagan practices in with Christianity. So, then what are we honoring here at the Mass? I’ve got a lot of problems with the Mass, first of all because it denies the sufficiency and the once for all sacrifice of Christ upon the cross. But it is being made even worse now because we are mixing pagan practices in with this. Tom, we were in Africa recently and this is a major problem there that evangelicals recognize. You’ve got people who come from America, maybe a Benny Hinn or someone else, well meaning and they have these huge crusades and people, supposedly, believe in Jesus, and you give the reports of the thousands or hundreds of thousands who got saved, and the next thing you know these people are back to their ancestor worship. They are back to the belief in the pagan deities that they had before. Have they become Christians? I don’t think that you can be a Christian and also a pagan at the same time. I don’t think you can believe in the true God and in false gods. And in fact, God says that in the very first commandment that He gives to the people of Israel. You shall have no other gods before me, I am God, and there is none else. And now we’re going to say well, but because they had these beliefs, it was part of their culture then we’re going to incorporate it with Christianity. That won’t go! It certainly doesn’t agree with “earnestly contending for THE faith once for all delivered.”
Dave, there’s another point here. This bishop is black, he’s African, he grew up in this culture obviously, but now he has a Catholic world view, there are many things within Catholic ritual and liturgy that are consistent with pagan worship.
They incorporate it wherever they go.
Well, for example, ancestor worship, praying to the saints, praying to the dead, this is what ancestor worship for the Africans is. So I could see how this bishop would say, “Look, we can enculturate here, because we do have some common ideas. But these are not Biblical ideas, the Bible condemns as necromancy, communicating with the dead completely.
Tom, it’s not just the bishop, the Pope when he visited West Africa he said to the voodoo priest, “You don’t have to give up anything to become Christians, and you worship ancestors, so do we.
Well, they would say, venerate. What’s the fine line between those?
You go to Haiti, they say Haiti is 85% Catholic, 110% voodoo, and every voodoo ceremony begins with prayers to the Catholic saints. You go to Rio de Janeiro on a holiday, and you will see the Catholics on their knees on the ground by the graves praying, not only to their dead ancestors, but to the saints as well. So, Catholicism has in fact incorporated, this is nothing new, it has incorporated the culture, the religion wherever it has gone, and that is not Biblical and it is destructive of the true faith. (Emphasis added)
An afterthought to consider very seriously.
There’s something I fail to understand. While you herald with aplomb and satisfaction the enculturation of pagan magical arts and ancestral worship into the Regina Mundi Roman Catholic Church and obviously into other RCC cathedrals, cloisters, seminaries etc., Stephan Joubert speaks very lowly of Roman Catholicism’s cathedrals, cloisters and hierarchical structures because it was they who allegedly instituted the distinction between “us and them” and “the real world and the religious world.” (Jesus, a Radical Leap, p. 150). You say the Roman Catholic Church is effectively wiping out the perimeters between the real world and the religious world while Stephan Joubert says the very opposite – that they are strengthening the limitless perimeters between church and world.
The Mosaïek Church in Fairlands, Johannesburg and the Invia Church in Stellenbosh seem to have a calling to unite all cultures and religions under one banner. To speed up their efforts I would like to suggest that they incorporate into their own church services (especially the ones in which their guru Trevor Hudson speaks out against idolatry) the entire ritual sangomas and witchdoctors go through to initiate them into the occult arts of communicating with the dead. That would at least be a new and fresh way to meet Jesus and to bring their members much closer to Him. The following videos may serve as a guide to show them how they should do it.
Please do remember Theo Geyser’s words of great wisdom: “Maybe a sangoma can be an opportunity to meet Jesus.
Now remember this folks: “Maybe a sangoma can be an opportunity to meet Jesus.”
So-called muti murders are rampant in South Africa. Is Theo Geyser and his buddies at the Mosaïek Church in Fairlands, Johannesburg and the Invia Church in Stellenbosch suggesting that Jesus Christ is a murderer? Maybe we should change John 8:44 so that it may say the following:
Maybe a sangoma can be an opportunity to meet Jesus. He (Jesus) was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own. For he is a liar, and the father of it.
Are you shocked? You should be because this is exactly what Theo Geyser and his buddies at Mosaïek and Invia, who refuse to repudiate him in public, are saying when they declare with loving compassion that “Maybe a sangoma can be an opportunity to meet Jesus.” Watch the following video clip and decide for yourself whether Theo Geyser’s statements are blasphemous and the contemplative stillness of his buddies on this matter are equally blasphemous.
Here’s another shocking movie showing how human body parts are sold for muti purposes. Please excuse the use of God’s name in vain in this video.
Would the following persons please tell us whether they agree with Theo Geyser when he says: “Maybe a sangoma can be an opportunity to meet Jesus.” If not, please show us your integrity and the sincerity of your statement that you are followers of Jesus Christ by repudiating him in the strongest possible language in public. Or perhaps they would like to read the following before they make a decision.
Stephan Joubert, Trervor Hudson, Nelus Niemandt, Johan Geyser, Rudolf Botha, and Jan van der Watt.
All the members of the Mosaïek and Invia churches.
If you really and truly love the Lord Jesus Christ of the Bible you will repudiate Theo Geyser in public. If not, you must be in close cahoots with him and his blasphemous remarks.