What a Tragedy ‘Prophet’ Kobus van Rensburg
Please go here to read more about Kobus van Rensburg:
[NEWS UPDATE – Kobus van Rensburg claims God healed him, and is telling all his followers this. It has come to my attention that Kobus van Rensburg is in remission, BUT he did receive medication and Chemotherapy. Kobus van Rensburg is still preaching Latter Rain Manifest Sons of God teaching and even more so promoting that one can be IMMORTAL on earth. He also teaches his followers that they are Christ. Please read the comments below (there are many of them) to see the degree of heresy and insanity taught by Kobus van Rensburg. Also note his followers are not shy in threatening those who stand again Kobus van Rensburg.]
It’s a Tragedy
It has come to my attention that Kobus van Rensburg from Spirit Word Ministries has cancer and is very ill from what I have heard. His wife Annalise is appearing more and more on his Spirit Word TV channel instead of Kobus as he battles to speak or is just not well enough. There is very little information about this on the Internet. Almost as if no one is supposed to find out.
I wrote an article on Kobus here about 2 years ago exposing him as a false prophet, who proclaimed thousands healed from cancer and HIV/AIDS, etc. He still is a false teacher – nothing has changed, except he himself now has cancer.
So back to Kobus, and thinking about this situation of his. The only thoughts that come to my mind is; ‘what a tragedy’. Here is a man who you can’t even approach and say,
“Dear Kobus, have you heard about Jesus Christ. He is the ONLY One who can save you. Repent of your sin, repent of everything you have done. It makes no difference what you have done, God forgives everyone who comes to Him asking for forgiveness. Jesus Christ the Son of God gave His life so that you may receive eternal life – if you want it. If you don’t want it and prefer to try be your own little god, you WILL fail and you WILL find yourself facing eternal punishment for doing exactly what Adam and Eve did by falling for Satan’s lie, ‘You surely will not die if you want to be like God?’ Well, yes Kobus you will.
Genesis 3:4-5
4 “The serpent said to the woman, “You surely will not die!
5 “For God knows that in the day you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”
Satan wanted to like God:
Isaiah 14:14
14 ‘I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.’
Satan is the father of Lies:
John 8:44
“You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
How easy it is for Satan to lead men astray:
2 Corinthians 11:3
But I am afraid that, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, your minds will be led astray from the simplicity and purity of devotion to Christ.
There is a face book site dedicated to Kobus van Rensburg (having said that it does not state what’s wrong with him). All you will find is people leaving comments praying for him to get well soon. You will see the theme of ‘immortality’ come across through the many comments left. You see Kobus van Rensburg has reached godhood, and is therefore immortal. Are you confused? Don’t worry. Me too. Apparently in Latter Rain / Manifest Sons of God teaching you can be dead and alive all at the same time….I think.
Facebook: Kobus Van Rensburg will live and not die!!!!!
Now, it’s all very well to pray for Kobus to get well and that God heals him, but without Kobus coming to the Lord Jesus Christ to be saved all hope is lost.
Kobus went to see T B Joshua (Church of All Nations SCOAN) in Nigeria and reported that after coming back to SA had a great anointing of power in his life. Well Kobus, with the demonic power given to you, you were given demonic cancer as well.
“Repent Kobus, before it’s too late. You are not immortal, you are not a god, you are a sinner in dire need of a Saviour and that Saviour is Jesus Christ the Son of God, who gave His life that you may be saved. Through genuine repentance of your sin (everything you have done) and believing in Jesus Christ through faith you can be saved. You might not beat this cancer Kobus, but you will beat a 2nd death and receive eternal life if only you turn from your wickedness and ask God forgiveness through His Only begotten Son Jesus Christ. Humble yourself for once before the One and Only Living God like everyone else on this earth will have to do sooner or later. Get on your knees Kobus, you are no better than anyone else on this earth of ours. I repent every day of my life for the sinner that I am who needs constant saving. What makes you think you are so special? You are not! Ask God for forgiveness before it’s too late”.
If anyone can find more information on Kobus’ condition, it would be appreciated. I have contacted Spirit Word Ministries and received no reply.
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Andre,
Er, dude, that’s nice – prosperity, always healed, live forever, little god thing going there.
Problem 1: That is no different from the promises made in most cults. The Gospel of Jesus Christ makes no such guarantees. In fact the mark of a cult is always some form of godhood or entitlement. Not a wicked, sinful, wretch in need of salvation.
Problem 2: That is not the gospel of Jesus Christ. The gospel is salvation through faith in Jesus Christ and the repentance of SINS. Jesus Christ was punished for our SINS, wittingly or unwittingly (I dunno) you disgrace that name and that sacrifice as if he paid the price for your earthly pleasures, self interests and to buy you godhood (have all you dominionists ripped Genesis 3 out you bibles?) Yes, God can heal and yes, he can prosper whoever he wills and yes, he delivers us from evil. But this is a different jesus, a different gospel and a different spirit.
You carry on selling jesus and we will carry on proclaiming salvation and calling all men to repentance and the forgiveness of sins through Christ’s sufficient work. Suffering, sickness and disease is the consequence of the fall of man but HIS Grace is sufficient for us. We do not draw men because of miracles, it is the mercy and goodness of God that brings men to understand their sinful condition and their need for repentance. That only comes from preaching the truth.
Now, go on and preach to your congregation with your cutsy anecdotes but remember one little thing…I preached from the same pulpits once upon a time and I also preached the same heresy. Boy, can I tell you some stories…
May God have mercy on us all because we are all accountable to Jesus Christ our Lord for how we represent him and how responsibly we teach his word.
Hebrews 11 is the hall of faith, the crescendo is at the end of the chapter, those that suffered and were martyred for the Gospel’s sake (from verse 35), NEVER having seen the promise yet believing. Explain please….
You guys ignore the real miracle and God’s greatest work in search of the spectacular. I taught what you teach; it breeds elitism, an entitlement mentality and ultimately – arrogance & pride. You guys may ascend to heaven and want to bring heaven to earth with your artificial godhood but the consequence is the same as it ever was – a mighty thud after the fall.
Michael
That was a great comment, thank you!
These guys probably think we don’t understand…
I know exactly what it’s like; the incredible euphoria and the rush you get when you ‘realise’ how ‘special’ you are and the feeling of elitism when ‘god’ reveals all these incredible mysteries. I know what it’s like in those meetings, you become so puffed up that you actually feel sorry for those ‘religious’ people in those ‘dead’ traditional churches. You have this incredible drive and energy, you feel you are called out to be a special army… I was called out and had the ‘prophetic’ anointing. People stand gaping at your words? I know what it’s like. Boy, it all feeds the flesh.
I was aggressive; all you have to do is call it ‘spiritual aggression’ against the enemy. Deliverances and the like? Boy, I felt like I had the power over the elements if that’s what it took.
When you forsake the bible and become dependant on the latest revelation from the leaders of these movements (propehts abd apostles) – and hang onto every word with wow! And every revelation is like a rush…
You have fallen into a cleverly crafted delusion.
Here is my challenge to you. Humble yourself under the mighty hand of God Almighty and Pray a simple prayer; ‘Lord, please show me where I am in error. If I have been deceived please open my eyes…’
What have you got to lose??? Nothing! And I cannot be the enemy or trying to deceive you if I am pointing you to the throne of God – and to go there with humility and sincerity.
If you try to take on the enemy in your own strength and rely on your own intellect, you will lose. If you do not read your bible properly and read the whole counsel of God, you will be deceived. If you don’t know the enemy’s tactics, you will lose.
one of my friends used to say: monkey see, monkey do…
it amazes me that people learn from people; people transfer to people etc. yet none questions these actions ever?! when a new “ministry / movement” starts, no one ask the question: did this person received it from GOD, or was it transferred to him by another …
yes Michael A, I was there too. when I served my former fake master and after I found THE ONLY MASTER, the LORD Jesus Christ. and in both instances it was “transferred, placed upon me, being mantled over to me…”. yet, after many many years, I took up my Bible, discard of ALL other religious books which tell you the how to… and within the pages of the Bible, the True Word of God, I discovered the truth…
yes, I laid it all down… I humbled myself… acknowledged HE is God and HE alone…
I still pray for people for whatever they ask prayer for… yes, our prayers are answered; yes,people receive their healing… but never in front of my eyes… and no, I don’t keep count…
but often I find myself repeatedly ask the people I advice, this question: did you go and read the scripture I told you to? MANY say ‘no’. people forgot how to find everything in the Word of God! and we’ve got so many “teachers of the new way”, that it blots out the reason for a person to search the scriptures themselves…
Jesus told His disciples to preach the Gospel, heal the sick, raise the dead etc. Yes, truly so.. but He did not say go build yourself a little kingdom and have sub-ordinates who serve you and this kingdom… (and in this case even incorporate UN-BIBLICAL (new age) methods and messages…
on the non-christian websites it is an open fact for all to read that the ascended masters are jubilant for the fact that so many follow their ways… so many blind hearing and adhering to, what they say..
According to the Bible MANY illnesses are placed on people by God Himself, for a specific reason… and now we have the audacity to step into this plan and order God to change His mind… that’s the best way I can describe my thoughts on this…
I still believe that only God knows where the dash (-) in every life is drawn, because He is God who gives live and He takes it away… when we step in between the brackets ( ) and try to alter the dash, – , that’s when we put ourselves in the position of being god.
I rest my case.
oh D, my jaw also dropped a wee bit, but mostly because I could hear my old way of reasoning while I was still in that movement …
cecilia
I find it shocking and sad at the same time that so many ‘Christians’ out there still believe that we’re so ‘special’ and unique and all that goes with that. It seems like we’re back in Corinth where human wisdom was in great repute as the apostles observed in 1 Cor 1 v 22
A warning should go out to those concerned, how God by the gospel destroyed, and brought to naught, their wisdom.
“That no flesh should glory in his presence. But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom , and righteousness, and sanctrification, and redemption: that, according as it is written, ‘He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.'” 1 Cor 1:29 – 31
No man should glory in himself, but alone in God, for (too quote Jonathan Edwards) all the good that man has, is in and through Christ. It is in and through Him that we have righteousness, sanctification and redemption. Secondly, it is God that has given us Christ, that we might have these benefits through him; he of God is made unto us wisdom, righteousness, etc. And thrirdly, it is God that gives us faith whereby we close with Christ.
We are dependent on Christ, as He is our wisdom, righteousness, sanctification, and redemption. We are dependent on the Father, who has given us Christ. We are dependent on the Holy Ghost, for it is of Him that we are in Christ Jesus. it is the Spirit that gives faith in Him, whereby we receive him and close with Him. We are useless and worthless if it was not for the Father.
In other words, we are to exalt God ALONE; as by trust and reliance, so by praise. Let us give God all the glory; who alone makes us to differ from the worst of men in this world.
Let not our hope lift us up, but dispose us the more to abase ourselves, to reflect on our own exceeding unworthiness and and to exalt God alone.
Michelle
Agree totally.
[Edited: Sorry, got you confused with other ‘Michele’]
Read on
“Remember, if you lay in the sewer long enough, you won’t notice the smell. Get out now.”
good advice!
c
Deborah,
wrong Michellé. Saw your comment to her, but it wasn’t me. Will have to change my name so that there isn’t another confusion like this again. 🙂
Ooooopsssssss. Sorry. These things do happen lol 🙂
Deborah and Michael
You clearly have not SEEN with your OWN EYES the miracles of God. Read Ps 91 – the PLACE called THERE, that many true prophets write about. The first verse in Ps 91 even starts with “THERE” (AMP and KJV). So check the Word – there are many places the Word talk about the place called “THERE”. This is the place where I know Kobus are in God. If not, he would not be able to the exploits for God that he does. This is where true KINGDOM LIFE in Christ begins….!
I dare you, check it out. Look up the word “THERE” in the concordances and then read the verses before and after the word “THERE” in the Scriptures. It is a place in God. And it all is “summarised” in Ps 91. But please, check it out for yourself. The Place called “there” is where we are safe – no calamity, and in full rest in God – that means we have TOTAL PEACE (trust) in God that He will fulfill every Covenant Promise to us. Kobus told us in the beginning of his illness, that God will fulfill His Promise to him, and alhtough very sick at the time, he will be healed as he have Peace with God. You see, Kobus knows how to ACCESS God’s Grace through Faith. Hey, I am living this! Only starting, I admit, but I am living in it. It is a place in God where you meet with Him – Face to Face, like Moses did. It means be in personal conversation, a TWO-WAY conversation with God daily. Where you HEAR Him, you HEAR the Great Creator Himself speaking to you, in Love – some hear Him physically, other in their minds. Come on people, that is what God wants for us – PEACE. What a cruel Father He would be if he birth us in Christ, just so that we may have a life full of illnesses and poverty and trouble and ultimate death? Have you seen people dying? It is horrible! Yes, His Grace is enough for us in troubled times, Michael, but He clearly states that we must ACCESS His Grace THROUGH Faith (Rom 5:2). If you don’t do that, you will stay in your trouble. Yes, trouble will come, but this is how we are victorious: We speak the TRUTH over the FACT (For e.g. in case of cancer, or whatever, we speak the Word over the situation – and as we speak, it will be – Prov 18:21). This is how we access His Grace. You gotta “open” the Gift of Grace. A Gift (Faith, Grace, Love, etc) ONLY works for you if you ACCESS (use) it – OPEN it like a real gift. Why, because Faith is dead without works( Believing and Trusting God) Don’t you see? Everything we say or do, is a choice between Life and Death. Over ourselves and others.
(Prov 18:21)The tongue has the power of life and death,
and those who love it will eat its fruit.
“The key to one receiving the “fullness” of My promises [Covenant blessings] [Psalm 25:12-14] is to continually “speak” Truth [a revelation of My Word] over “fact” [that which is seen and discerned according to the physical circumstances] [Matthew 12:34b].- Glenn Jackson (Fire by Night on 3 Jan 2010)
Deborah and Michael and others – I would be very careful of speaking nonsense over Kobus if I were you. What you sow, you will reap.
Jesus brought us ABUNDANT LIFE. Look it up in the Greek and Hebrew original translations. LIFE means: PEACE, lack of nothing, not life, not poverty, not health, not wealth. Why do you THINK Jesus told his diciples to HEAL the sick, raise the dead and preach the Gospel? To KEEP them from DYING! Why do we heal the sick and raise the dead, just so that they can die later? Our God is not that cruel. He truly meant for us to live. This is true KINGDOM LIFE. Very few of us has accessed this. We are just Christians. Saved through Grace from sin. This means we are only BABY Christians, not matured Christians. Kingdom Life is much higher than just a saved Life in Christ.
Neither of you (Michael and Deborah) have seen a REAL MIRACLE or experienced one in yourself. I myself was in an accident. After a failed neck fusion operation and in great pain, I went to Kobus for prayer. I was instantly healed. I still have all the rods in my neck and my doctor cannot understand how I can have free movement of my neck with all this steel stuff in my neck. Steel is not supposed to bend! I can turn my neck freely without pain. I can give you an X-Ray with all the stuff in my neck, but what will it proof? The steel in my neck is still there. You must come SEE me turn my neck freely and that without PAIN. Was I critical and did I believe not in the begining? Yes, of course, like all of you, until I was instantly healed. Until I experienced these amazing miracles myself. This fear (accusation and critical mind and spirit) was replaced by Faith and Love through witnessing the miracles for myself. You want to see my son’s healing of 5 years ago? Come SEE for yourself. You will find fault with the proof until you have SEEN yourself.
Micheal, read Romans 8:2. If Jesus then made us FREE from sin AND DEATH, why do people die? It is because you do not have a revelation of the Cross, that you cannot understand immortality. If you do not take the revelation and believe it, it will NOT work for you. Once the Truth is revealed and you take it (believe it), it will work for you, by Grace.
Kobus does not need to protect himself against Pharisees like yourself. You are not holy enough to judge him or anyone else. We are all fallible, even the men and women of God – even Michael, myself and Deborah. That is why we need to forgive, and yes, rebuke in LOVE, not in jugding each other the way you do. I do not discern any love rebuke anywhere Deborah, judger of the Anointed. Do the men of women of God fail? Oh yes, they do, but so do we. How do we know they did not repent? Were you there when that particular person repented to God? We cannot judge! I only see that you and other spit judgement – you speak with a split tongue – like a snake – the apparent Love of Christ and judgement at the same time. If you truly love Christ, you will not judge the Anointed. We are all on the same side – the side of Jesus, but you see, a house divided upon itself cannot stand. We should be united in faith, not in judgement.
Kobus has already told the world (at least 330 million homes) through his broadcasting exactly what happened to his health, his healing and his fight for his life, IN CHRIST. And the clean bill of health was SHOWN on television – to everyone watching ALL OVER THE WORLD. His doctors also witnessed live on the Broadcasting Channel on some occasions. You have missed it. You can go yourself and get those documented DVD’s. Speak to the doctors yourself. I will not get it for you. Order it, whatever. It is now your problem. You want the documented healings and proof thereof? Go get it yourself. You will NOT believe unless you SEE it yourself, anyway. I will no longer be involved in the work of satan: that is judging Christians, like your website. Everytime you accuse a Christian the way you do, you stand as the devil himself – the Accuser. Our fight is not against flesh, but the prinicpalities of the air – evil spirits, guided by satan’s evil plots. Dont you see, Deborah, you do the devil’s work for him.
I DARE all of you unbelievers: get on a plane and visit his church – IF you want to SEE how wonderful our God REALLY is. For the past seven years, I take sick people to Kobus’s church (and other pastors who were taught by him) at least two or three times a month, and the healings are wonderful. I thought I would get used to it by now, but these amazing acts of God’s Love causes one to cry like a baby – thankful that a brother or sister, DESPITE THEIR SHORT FALLINGS IN OUR EYES, are healed. There are many who were NOT healed instantly, but their healings happened over time. How do I know that? They were personal friends of mine. Why God heal some immediately and not others? I don’t know. Why don’t you ask God Himself? It is His Grace, not mine or Kobus’.
This is the last writing I will write on this website that think they can discern and judge the men and women of God by spewing venom. We are all fallible. Those that failed you – how do you know they did not repent? Do not touch the anointed of God. Kobus will never protect himself against anyone of you or try and clear his name – he does not need to. For every mistake he has ever done, he has publicly over the broadcasting channel apologised and repented to the Church of God. That is true humbleness. Did you repent for the mistakes you made anywhere on your website, Deborah? Kobus knows God will vengeance him if that is necessary. The way I know him, if he knows what you are writing about him, would be only this:
He will ask God to forgive you all, for you know not what you are doing….! THIS IS LOVE SPEAKING!
He will NEVER try and write to you to clear his name, which by the way, does not need any clearance. It is absolute ignorance on your side that makes you write and “discern’ the things you think you discern. Your motivations are unrightoues. If your motivations were truly rightoues, you would have acted in Love. And Love never accuses.
Come on Deborah and Michael, you KNOW you will spit venom until you have SEEN for yourself. Tune into his Channel, you can watch over the Internet or via tuning into his channel. Don’t you agree that seeing is believing? Come on, I DARE you. I advise to especially tune in on the last Saturday night of each month, for the special Anointing service. By the way, by God’s Grace he heales many every day, but on the last Saturday of each month, thousand travels to South Africa from all over the world.
If the doctors cannot help you anymore, and many pastors has prayed for you WITHOUT Power (without result) what will you do?
I will seek out a humble man of God, called Kobus van Rensburg and others like him who has truly learned to love, who do not just preach, put preach WITH POWER. By the way, he is not the only one – he taught many other pastors in South Africa and as far as Korea and USA, and because they follow the Truth Revealed by his teachings, they do the healings too. Gosh, even simple, normal Christians like myself can do the healings, not nearly as spectacular and amazing like Kobus, but I am beginning with it and loving it. It truly brings me PEACE like nothing else – to really SAVE someone from DEATH is amazing…! Kobus does not want to keep this to himself. He is anointed to bring maturity to the Sons of God, by Grace through the Holy Spirit.
Deborah, Micheal, and all of you other unbelievers, come SEE for yourself what your God can do, and stop persecuting the man of God. Kobus is simply a pipe line for His Love.
If anyone of you would like to travel to South Africa to SEE, I invite you into my home, where you can stay free to SEE these miracles for what they are: God’s Love for us. However, if you come to my house with acusing my brothers and sisters in Christ, I will not receive you. So Deborah, my invitation is especially extended to you personally.
I include my e-mail address – this is an earnest invitation: [Edited: email address removed]
I do have one last request though: If anyone of you, who have NEVER sinned, or NEVER made a mistake in your life, or has NEVER done anyone else wrong – only then do you have the right to pick up a stone and through it to those you accuse. But before you do, remember the story of Jesus and the accused lady? John 8:6 – 7. Read it and see if you can ever again accuse anyone, according to Jesus Christ.
May God teach you to really love in 2010, to love like He loves.
*zzz ZZZ zzz ZZZ zzz*
Proof of healings please, your son, and also documents that Kobus had cancer in the first place. I think I have mentioned this a few times now. Thanks
Golda Meyer,
Can you be a sweetie and just answer me some simple, straightforward questions. Christian ABC stuff. I know that you don’t have a problem with typing your explanations.
So here it is; could you please explain to us what is the Gospel? Could you also please explain to us who is Jesus Christ and what exactly is salvation? Could you also define what you mean by being Holy? Could you also define what is a ‘miracle’?
Many thanks.
From your favourite Pharisee.
Golda
In love. You do not have to answer to me. Just answer this to yourself. You said:
Yet, the Bible says, Paul speaking:
Paul died, Golda. Either you are right or the Bible is. You cannot both be right. Do you want to retract your statement about God being a cruel Father if He lets people die?
You have just played the Pharisee card. Please defend your statement and tell us why you call us Pharisees or retract it.
Okay.
Golda, it seems to me that you have made accusations here. Are you saying that you are qualified, according to your own standard above, to throw those stones at Deborah? You don’t have to answer me. I just want to point out to you how you contradict yourself and why I cannot take any of your interpretations of the Bible seriously. I can see that you are excited about living forever, but I just do not think that all the dead in Christ are bitter about the fact that the Father allowed them to die.
Golda,
While you are typing up those explanations to us deluded Pharisees let me give you a hint – don’t use self-imploding reasoning and self-refuting arguments. Also don’t presume you are debating biblically illiterate Christians. Let me give you an example of what NOT to do in you response.
Every Christian from the time of the Apostles understood this to mean a SPIRITUAL death. That includes the writer of this verse. That includes every Christian that has ever lived, except Kobus and some dominionist sects, and of course..you. Can I prove it you? Yes, of all the Apostles that ever lived; none of them are alive today. If the Holy Spirit is the author of the book surely he would have revealed this to at least 1 Christian amongst millions that he could live on the planet for 2000 years. Man, how did we all miss it?
You see, if you are going to use reasoning like that, actually this is not reasoning – it is total absurdity – then you are not really going to gain much ground.
And please don’t tell me that this verse is only for that generation that will not see death etc etc. There is nothing at all of that in the context of this verse. Do you guys actually read scriptures in context? Please read the whole of Romans 8, in context. Read it twice.
Just a hint.
Michael
>> Can I prove it you? Yes, of all the Apostles that ever lived; none of them are alive today.
LOL
>>>> “Why do you THINK Jesus told his diciples to HEAL the sick, raise the dead and preach the Gospel? To KEEP them from DYING!”
ouch!!!!! sorry?!! come again!!!!?? God who said because of sin man will now “die” / “return to the ground whence thou came from”? so now God is turning against His own word?
So what you’re gonna do when one of these “precious leaders” of your’s die like in die, dead, capput, over and done, ash to ash, clay to clay…
gonna blame God? make Him out as a murderer?
it is obvious you DO NOT KNOW that many places in the Bible it is open for all to see that GOD PUTS SICKNESS and disease etc. on people, or ‘allowed’ by God…. see eg.:
Deuteronomy 28:61; 2 Samuel 12:15; Psalm 41:3; Micah 6:13; 1 Corinthians 11:30; and so on. (I’m NOT stating that there are no healing Scriptures!!)
an interesting Scripture is: Matthew 25:36
Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
IT DOESN’t say: I was sick and ye did not heal me….!!
>>> “Hey, I am living this!”
When the security of your spiritual surroundings fall away and you stand alone; will you be able to abide to the Word of God only without practicing what human’s taught you or what were being imparted to you by the touch of someone else? Yes / No ?
>>> “What a cruel Father He would be if he birth us in Christ, just so that we may have a life full of illnesses and poverty and trouble and ultimate death?”
hallo, ok now, stop the boat!!! you say you just started in this “new way” and you actually already learned to blame God?! whaau girl, quickly, go stand in front of the mirror and rub your eyes while you say: I’ve been mislead!
>>> “Why do you THINK Jesus told his diciples to HEAL the sick, raise the dead and preach the Gospel? To KEEP them from DYING! ”
John 11:4
When Jesus heard that, he said, This sickness is not unto death, but for the glory of God, that the Son of God might be glorified thereby.
let’s repeat this:
THAT THE SON OF GOD MIGHT BE GLORIFIED THEREBY!!!
there is NOTHING here about “to keep them from dying”!
Let me just state there: just because we discern the wrong teachings and practices, does not mean we totally do not believe in miracles (which include healing)! the misleading comes when it becomes a business, when it includes New Age methods and objects, when “impartation” is the in-word, when God is standing on the outside, and a different god is “in control”.
WHAT YOU DID NOT READ UP TO NOW (it seems to me), is that WE’ve BEEN THERE! Yes, I was in more than one of Kobus’s meetings (hear my words – his meetings!) I won’t go again. He “skipped over me” on two different occasions because I didn’t want him to touch me when he pray for me, and one other time when I didn’t want to tell him what was wrong, to see if “God” will “reveal” it to him..
obviously he “didn’t had the time to play this game”…
so he skipped me…
Your card-house are going to fall flat down when God takes Kobus away from this earth! Why, oh why do you put your trust in man…..? where, oh where is the God who is your healer? – in someone else’s hand(s)?
>> “Neither of you (Michael and Deborah) have seen a REAL MIRACLE or experienced one in yourself. ”
sigh….! you speak and think too highly of yourself…
so you know them personally? what a wonderful blessing! I which I could be that close to them… for even on this long distance, they’ve probed me to find the truth in the Word of God and it has changed many aspects of my life>.. but then, you… me… naaahhh, different people…
>>> “It is now your problem.”
naahh! Deborah’s got tiny problems, this is definitely NOT one of them!
>>> “Everytime you accuse a Christian the way you do, you stand as the devil himself – the Accuser.”
coming from someone who has just previously said something about the tongue….. so you’ve learned how to speak death also… in such a short time…?
>>> “The way I know him, if he knows what you are writing about him, would be only this:”
ahhh, a spokesperson! so did Kobus gave you permission to speak for him?
Come on woman! why couldn’t you speak for yourself? if sounded to me like something that happened in the Garden of Eden>..
>>> “Did you repent for the mistakes you made anywhere on your website, Deborah?”
Again, it seems you think you know all these commentors personally and very well! it is obvious that you only read what you choose, thereby missing quite a few places where DTW acknowledge mistakes…
your tongue (on paper) is causing you to stumble..
>>> “POWER”
ahhh, here we have the answer. so easy it was! it’s all about ‘power’. what power? now in answering this, therein lies the truth!
>>> “If anyone of you would like to travel to South Africa to SEE, I invite you into my home, where you can stay free to SEE these miracles for what they are: God’s Love for us. However, if you come to my house with acusing my brothers and sisters in Christ, I will not receive you. So Deborah, my invitation is especially extended to you personally.”
you double-talker! in your whole comment you just made Deborah out as from the devil himself and all other negative remarks going along with it! and now you invite her to come to your house, yet in the same breath you say you will not let such a person come into your house?! what do you want? what do you now want?
Oh, I forgot, you won’t write one more ‘writing’ on the blog!
it’s pathetic how such cursing can come together with words of “blessing” out of one person’s mind/mouth! According to the writer Kobus actually do not need someone to defend him, protect him, speak for him. yet this is what this writer did, to hide her own inability to humble herself under the mighty hand of God, to understand the Word of God for herself.
Debs, so you’re moving up hey girl? first it was invites for coffee… now you can fly and have free boarding ….
I say again, we’re NOT denying miracles and healings! kapish?
cecilis
Deborah, Kobus does not want to be in the Guiness book of Records as you put it (it is your words, not his)- it would be self-glory. His purpose is to be obedient to God, not to you.
Deborah, proof? Let me tell you, I had a neck fusion operation that failed and was in great pain. When the doctors suggested another op, I refused and went to Kobus for healing. I was instantly healed. When I send these X-rays to you, they will look exactly like a failed op – no difference on the X-rays, but the miracle is that I have full and free movement of my neck. How can I proof that to you? Come SEE for yourself. Do you agree that seeing is believing? Then SEE – that means you have to get on an airplane and visit his church, OR follow him on the Internet, or tune into his Channel. I advise you to especially follow the last Saturday of the month’s meetings. Healing is not all that happens here. There are many more miracles than just healing. But you need to SEE, for no one in his right mind will try and satisfy your critical spirit – you want to REASON things out – that is the natural man who will always be opposed to the spiritual man. Reason and the natural mind cannot understand these things. But being The Accusar here (you), well I hope people can see what sort of spirit speaks through you. I do not accuse you, Deborah, only that spirit that you allow to control you. Our fight is not against flesh and blood, but principalities in the air – evil spirits. That means you have a split tongue like a snake – try and speak the Love of Christ and judging Christians from the same mouth. I hope people can see the resemblance of an Accusar here…. Read Prov 18:21 and see that you speak Death, not Life. Be careful, you will only reap what you have sown. You are not really persecuting Kobus, you are persecuting Jesus Himself by judging Christians. Let’s rather be obedient to the Word:
“Gal 5:26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another. ”
Michelle – Kobus van Rensburg glories only in God. He never glories in himself. If he did glory in himself, he would have been on this site trying to fight Deborah to clear his good name that she tries to kill, which he does not need to. He will never try and fight her for he knows that God alone will vengeance him, if necessary. If anything, he will just ask God to forgive Deborah, for she does not know what she is doing. None of you are holy enough to judge any Christian. We are suppose to stand in unity in faith, not in judgement against each other, for a house divided upon itself cannot stand. And then rebuke in Love, not in judgement! As long as you spit venom against each other, what does that make you – an ACCUSAR, which is the devil himself.
Cecilia – Kobus is not puffed up – he is the most humble servant of God. We know everything is from Christ. We as Christians do not place ourselves above any one else. We are more fallible than anyone of the unbelievers. That is why we need God so desperately in our lives. You know why Kobus is doing such amazing miracles? Because he is in the place called “THERE”. Read Ps 91. Then I DARE you, go to the concordances and look up the word “THERE”. Read the verses before and after the verses that you find with “THERE” in the Scriptures. It is an eye-opener! It is a place in God, where you meet Him face-to-face – where you hear the Voice of God audibly for some, and for some in their minds. Where God has a two-way conversation with you. Where you can clearly HEAR the Great Creator speaking personally to you and whisper words of love to you personally. It is a place in God where you are “caught up” in Him. No, not anywhere else in the universe somewhere, but whilst your two feet are still on earth, but your mind and spirit is “IN HIM”. In a place in the Spirit (through visions or dreams), where you can truly SEE the spiritual, where God meet with you PERSONALLY and you SEE Him as He is. No man can see God, according to the Scriptures. That is right. No NATURAL man can see God, but the SPIRITUAL man (true sons of God) can. This is the beginnig of Kingdom Life. If you are THERE (Read Ps 91 again), you are in a very close relationship with God. This is where Kobus is and many of us are. And God’s Love flow through you unhindered. The Scriptures are clear on this: Without Him we are nothing. We are not puffed up about the miracles or anything else – it is all Grace from God and nothing is from ourselves. We simply abide in Him. (Again, read the first verse in Ps 91 and you should understand what “abides” mean).Kobus is simply a sort of pipe line for the Love of God (His Power) to flow through – unhindered.
Michael Anthony: to answer you on your comment:
“Hebrews 11 is the hall of faith, the crescendo is at the end of the chapter, those that suffered and were martyred for the Gospel’s sake (from verse 35), NEVER having seen the promise yet believing. Explain please…. ”
Here is your answer: Why did Paul die, and why did Peter die? Because Paul explained that later on. He said we know that this stuff is written not for our time and age, but for the people on whom the end of the ages will come. What is the end? Simply the fulfilled Promises of God. What is part of the fulfilled Promises of God (Heb 11:39)? Immortality. To understand this, you gotta read the rest of my explanation. But let us back paddle a little so this can be better explained:
The Scriptures said the following about the martyrs:
Heb 11:38 (Of whom the world was not worthy:) they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth.
Heb 11:39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:
Heb 11:40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.
What is this better thing that God talks about and who are the “they” this scriptures refer to? Why did Paul and Peter died whilst the Bible stated that:
“Heb 2:14 Since, therefore, [these His] children share in flesh and blood [in the physical nature of human beings], He [Himself] in a similar manner partook of the same [nature], that by [going through] death He might bring to NOUGHT and make of NO EFFECT him who had the power of death–that is, the devil–
Heb 2:15 And also that He might deliver and completely SET FREE all those who through the [haunting] fear of DEATH were held in bondage throughout the whole course of their lives.”
Did you know that Paul was stoned to DEATH? And KILLED by the Lions at Ephesus? Read the history of those times and you will see that no Christian left the amphiteatres alive. There were NO MERCY. They were either burned or bitten or beaten to DEATH. When they use to stone any person, after the stoning process, they dropped a very large stone on the poor soul’s head to make sure he /she was “very dead”. Their heads were flattened. Paul just got up and kept on preaching. How was this possible? How could Paul got up again and again?
Paul said: “1Co 15:32 KJV What do I gain if, merely from the human point of view, I fought with [wild] beasts at Ephesus? (in other words, the amphitheatre at Ephesus, where people was sacrificed to lions) If the dead are not raised [at all], let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we will be dead.(5)”
To explain in simple terms: Paul says, if we are suppose to die one day, why did I fought the lions when they have thrown me in the amphitheatre at Ephesus? Why didn’t I just die? Why did I fight for my life, when they threw me three nights in the open sea? The night in Lystra they stoned me, threw me outside the city walls, and dropped a big stone on my head. I just stood up and walked on. Because I am not here to die, I am here to live! Paul reasoned: he said, if it is true that we must die, why don’t we just die? Why go through all this struggle, just to die?
So yes, why did Paul died EVENTUALLY? After he came back time and again?
The “they” that Paul talk about in vs 40, are a future generation: a generation that will “take” (believe and live) the Promises of God: Kingdom Life, Immortality, Grace through Faith – every Promise that God made to the heirs of Abraham. That covenant still stand. The Law of Moses does not stand anymore, for Jesus fulfilled the Law when He came. Paul says: “2Co 4:12 So then death worketh in us, but life in you.” He knew that continious immortality, although he lived it for short while, was not for his generation, but a future generation. This will be explain further down in this writing.
First read this in answering your question:
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on IMMORTALITY.
1Co 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on IMMORTALITY, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
When does a trumpet (1 Cor 15:52) sound in biblical terms? When a revelation is given. The revelation about immortality is given in these Scriptures and in many others, IF we will take it. But what is the LAST TRUMPET according to 1 Cor 15:52?
“2Ti 1:10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished DEATH, and hath brought life and IMMORTALITY to light through the gospel” The Word said that unless death is put under OUR feet, Jesus will not come again.
“Heb 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste DEATH for every man. ” This means Jesus tasted DEATH already so we dont have to. So why do we die? Because some of us refuse to take the revelation of IMMORTALITY.
The LAST TRUMPET is this: “1Co 15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.”
How will death be destroyed? If we TAKE the PROMISES of GOD and start believing that JESUS truly conquered death on the Cross for us. If we take the Promises of God, we OPEN the Gift of Life He has died for. Opening the Gift means we BELIEVE AND LIVE AND CONFESS the Promises of God because we believe it with all of our heart. It is the message of IMMORTALITY. IMMORTALITY and ETERNAL LIFE are two different things. Read Romans 2:7. Never in the Bible does it state anywhere that we must physically die before we can have ETERNAL LIFE. LIFE means in the orignal translations – “life without interruptions”.That means NO DEATH. Paul clearly stated that these Promises was not for the martyrs like him, even if he did believe, but for “them” that together with Paul and his generation, we should all come to perfection, together. Who are they? A future generation that will take the message and promise of IMMORTALITY. It can be you.
Finally, let us read Habbakuk:
Hab 3:2 O LORD, I have heard thy speech, and was afraid: O LORD, REVIVE THY WORK in the MIDST OF THE YEARS, in the midst of the years make known; in wrath remember mercy.
To revive means “TO MAKE ALIVE”. Make alive what? THY WORKS – which are us.
“KJV Hab 2:2 And the LORD answered me, and said, Write the vision, and make it plain upon tables, that HE MAY RUN that readeth it. (Run means to run your race in God)
Hab 2:3 For the vision is YET FOR AN APPOINTED TIME, but at the end it shall speak, and not lie: though it tarry, wait for it; because IT WILL SURELY COME, it will not tarry.
Hab 2:4 Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the JUST SHALL LIVE BY FAITH.”
“KJV Hab 1:12 Art thou not from everlasting, O LORD my God, mine Holy One? WE SHALL NOT DIE. O LORD, thou hast ordained them for judgment; and, O mighty God, thou hast established them for correction.”
People, Paul knew that the true immortality was for an appointed time and yet he said, he is not ashamed to preach the gospel, even if true immortality was not meant for him, although he experienced it. He know the Word of God very well – he was a learned man. The Scriptures said that the just shall live by Faith. If you cannot take the message of Immortality, it won’t work for you. If you want to know more about immortality – write me, and I shall forward the incredible teachings of Kobus to you – some of them.Kobus is living proof that IMMORTALITY exist.
Ever heard of Sadhu Sundar Singh? He lived in the early 1900’s, preaching the Gospel all over the Globe.
One day he was going up the Himalayas, and described this trip in a letter he wrote in July 1916. It was on the Mount Calash. There was a Christian Maharaji, living in a cave. At this point, this man was just on 400 years old. They got all the testimonies to confirm that he was just over 400 years old. People of Korea went there, 3 or 4 years ago, and they found the same man, whom is now over 500 years old. Unbelieveable? Yes, until you read the stuff!
This man said: people did not want to believe me at first, because of this unexpected visit to that saint. There was a Padre Williams, that went to visit this saint and confirmed the saint’s age as well, due to the dialect he spoke which was not used anymore since more than 400 to 500 years ago. Come on people, wake up and google the stuff – or get hold of the letters that Sadhu Sundar Singh wrote about this saint of a few hundred years old . Research and read it for yourself, but stop fighting God on His amazing promises.
Best is if you order the stuff (Immortality teachings) yourself – from the Spiritword website
Remember, the Kingdom of God is for believers, not achievers. Stay blessed!
Golda
Lazarus is not with us. How do you explain that? Golda, does this really make sense to you? You are staking an awful lot on this. You cannot go on what you would like to believe, but only on what is true. Please take the time to think again.
Golda, dear Golda
I am not even reading your comments, one thing that did pop out what something you said about Sundar Singh. Sadhu Sundar Singh – Hindu Mystic in Sheep’s Clothing
Golda
All Kobus has to do is prove to the WORLD that he was healed. What a great witness that would be.
I am not accusing him of lying. If he has nothing to hide he should be shouting for JOY and LET ALL THE WORLD KNOW WHAT A GREAT GOD HE SERVES.
Secrets however stay behind closed doors.
My goodness, what on earth is Kobus van Rensburg preaching. What does he really believe.
This man is a leader of a cult.
Golda, you have no concept of what salvation is about, who the Holy Spirit is, who Jesus Christ the Son of God is, even why he died for you. Have you ever humbled yourself before Jesus and asked Him to forgive you your sins, ever admitted that you are a sinner and asked the Holy Spirit to come and live in you, to teach the meaning of the Word of God to you when you read the Bible and pray.
Take your eyes, mind and soul off Kobus van Rensburg and follow Jesus, Kobus is not immortal, Kobus is not Jesus, Kobus will lead you and all his other followers to hell, if you and the others do not wake up and read other books in the Bible, such as the new Testament, not just the specially picked out verses by Kobus. Study the Bible on your own, with the help of the Holy Spirit to guide you and find the real truth for yourself.
You have been told such nonsense and the worst part is that you really do seem to believe what Kobus has taught you. My question is this, if you were truly born again, the Holy Spirit that would be abiding in you, would be screaming at you by now, to wake up and get out of this so called ministry.
Golda,
You have used the allegorical method of bible interpretation – please read my article – in other words, the way you interpret scriptures they can mean whatever you want them to mean. (You might of course, call it special revelation)
You have not clarified what the ‘gospel’ or ‘salvation’ is, please do that before proceeding with this diatribe of yours. Please explain what you mean by ‘holy’.
Really, you are not gaining any friends here – you have accused us of being the accuser, you have called us Pharisees, insinuated threats…
Quote >>> Here is your answer: Why did Paul die, and why did Peter die? Because Paul explained that later on. He said we know that this stuff is written not for our time and age, but for the people on whom the end of the ages will come. What is the end? Simply the fulfilled Promises of God. What is part of the fulfilled Promises of God (Heb 11:39)? Immortality. End of quote>>>
No……really, this is boring me to tears. You have just done a bait-and-switch there. You can make the ‘promises of god’ mean anything you want it to with this method of interpretation. The promises of God in the context of Hebrews 11 has nothing to do with immortality – this is a completely self-refuting argument. The promise is of the fulfillment of the COVENANT. If they never saw the promise it would imply that the previous saints in Hebrews had seen the promise. Let me rephrase it, if the promise was immortality that means that the previous people in Hebrews 11 became immortal?
This makes zero sense; so the end is when the promises are fulfilled? So when is that exactly? And the promises are fulfilled when? Let me guess…when the end comes? This is making me really dizzy. It really is painful to read this convoluted interpretation.
Have you thought this immortality thing through? Answer these questions –
1. If someone put 10 bullets through your body would that effect you at all? And would ‘god’ instantly plug the holes or would you have pray for healing? Would you still be waterproof?
2. If someone put a grenade in your hands and it exploded would god put all the pieces of flesh back into a recognizable body again? What about a nuclear blast?
3. Are you going to age and look older as the years go by? Or are you going to grow younger, stay the same?
4. How long does this go on for? 1000 years? forever?
5. Answer this one – if I don’t believe in immortality do I go to hell? Does that also mean that every Christian in the world (except you, Kobus and a few others singing kumbabya in the compound) are also going to hell? What exactly are the consequences for not believing in immortality?
You do realise that what you believe is neither orthodox nor traditional Christianity, right?
You do also realise that no one is taking you seriously, right?
You do also realise that if the above are true, we kinda…well, think that you need prayer…
Golda, again
Do you ever take the context that the verse is written in into account? The grammar? The historical context? What is being addressed in the passage?
Quote >>>
When does a trumpet (1 Cor 15:52) sound in biblical terms? When a revelation is given. The revelation about immortality is given in these Scriptures and in many others, IF we will take it. But what is the LAST TRUMPET according to 1 Cor 15:52?
End of Quote >>>
Golda, pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeese
Explain to us how you have come to the conclusion that a trumpet sounds when a revelation is given? You have used the traditional scripture for the RESSURECTION of all the saints, we will all be resurrected on the last day. I can quickly prove to you from scripture that we all will be resurrected from the grave and then put on immortality – but not this side of Glory. We also believe in the rapture for those that are still alive at that time (1 Thessalonians 4:15 onwards – the context is Chrit’s coming) but no immortality this side of redemption. I mean, the passages are so clear that you have to literally do a demolition job to come to your conclusions.
Thanks JemFishie 🙂
Michael
That was funny… actually have tears streaming down my face.
please Golda, whenever you comment something, make sure it’s grinded on the truth! you wrote: “Cecilia – Kobus is not puffed up …”. so please show me where in my comment did I used these words?
in like manner you twist many things to suite your beliefs; double-talk… it’s doing more harm to the user than to the hearer…
>>> “There are many more miracles than just healing.”
Aaaahhh, here’s some disguised truth glimmering through … but it’s a pitty you don’t elaborate on this point…
one can SEE (your favorite word) how mind-control has taken its toll on you – you are repeating yourself endlessly…
i rest my case.
cecilia
Even if Kobus dies, they will come up with pathetic excuses for why he died. And people will actually believe it!! The excuse I heard for my Mom’s death, after countless ‘prophecies’ that she will live and beat the cancer, and that this sickness was just part of God’s plan with her life, many people was supposed to flood into that ‘church’ (sect) where we were attending after her healing. Well she died. The excuse was that she got up to heaven and Jesus asked her if she wanted to come back to earth, and obviously she said no. ?? Some of my family members believed that, and are still involved with that church, how blind can you be??!!
Madelein
It’s really so sad Madelein. This is not the first time I have heard this ‘punch line’. Let me come back to you on this one. I can’t remember now where I read this before. Where the wife of a pastor was raised 3 times from the dead by her husband; the 3rd time she told him she had had enough and said she wanted to stay in Heaven. I wish I was joking.
I pray your family sees the truth Madelein.
Remember the Highlander movie….sounds like Kobus is a fan! “there can be only one…” lol….what a load of rubbish, and should be funny if not so sad….
Personally I would rather die and then live Eternal with my Father….
Anyway happy 2010 to all you guys! Keep up the good work!!!
God Bless
Pieter
You laugh, look at this: http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/05/21/kobus-van-rensburg-immortal/
Hi Deborah,
I am not making any comment here, as it seems there are many people out there who hate our Almighty Creator and HIS words and truth. I would like to communicate with you, though as I do have something to say and ask you. I really do not want to bring any of my Father’s words into a messy discussion, having those who believe in doctrines of demons riducule the truth.
Sincerely yours,
Sharon