Are Ron Martoia, Stephan Joubert and Nelus Niemandt Experts in their Field?
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So Ron Martoia was invited to South Africa to speak at the Pierre van Ryneveldt NG Kerk on the 28th August 2009 on “Transforming Church the 2009 Way”. The speakers were: Ron Martoia, Stephan Joubert and Nelus Niemandt.
The topic that Ron Martoia spoke on was ‘Vertical Development and a Spirituality of Awareness’. The anticipation to hear this expert in the field of Transformational Architecture speak was overwhelming. What was Ron going to say that would be any different to Brian McLaren, Rob Bell, Scot McKnight, Shane Hipps, Leonard Sweet, Karen Armstrong, Phyllis Tickle and William Torbet et al?
Oh sorry, what did Nelus Niemandt speak about? Nelus spoke about a bridge (only because Brian McLaren spoke about it once) and Stephan Joubert made the question session as short as possible to avoid any serious questioning.
Then Stephan Joubert made this comment on twitter
“weird to see how some show up at conferences only to find reasons to disagree with the speakers and nail them on websites. Why?” – 9:24 AM Aug 29th http://twitter.com/stephanjoubert/status/3627339939
In future, to make sure that you only have ‘like minded’ people attend your secret gatherings please add a notice, preferably in big print that says: “All welcome, but please leave your brains at the door’.
Why are all these ‘conferences’ held during the week when the general public or the church can’t attend? Oh wait I forgot, it’s a SECRET place. You don’t want your church members to attend as they might get the shock of their lives to hear the rubbish that is spoken against Jesus Christ – you know things like:
- “Confessing that the Word became Flesh – the church is now challenged on this issue.” – Ron Martoia
- “God is not the Bible, only the Word of God” – Ron Martoia
- “Bible is only a story” – Ron Martoia
- “Bible is full of action packed stories that can be applied to our lives in different ways” – Ron Martoia
- “Something really major is going on in the world, we are in a New World and you only have 2 options. Join or dry up” – Ron Martoia
- “People who fight the New World will dry up, become dust, dusty in their spirituality” – Ron Martoia
- “All religions share 2 dimensions: Logos and Mythos” – Ron Martoia
- “You have no choice to live in a post-modern world. You are in it!! Join or dry up” – Ron Martoia
- “Move from focus on information to focus on visualisation and spirituality” – Ron Martoia
- “Metanoya means Repentance. Now please don’t fall on your knees and repent to God. That’s not what I mean”. – Ron Martoia
- “Metanoya means to get past yourself, get to a bigger place, get a larger mind, get invited to a bigger picture, get invited to a bigger mind, get out of your little mind.” – Ron Martoia
- “We are not called to deliver sound doctrine – we are in the people business”. – Ron Martoia
- “How much did the disciples know? Nothing!” – Ron Martoia
- “Jesus, I think, came to make better humans, not Christians”. – Ron Martoia
Stephan & Nelus, let us all know when you have reach the Alchemist level. You know, those different levels/stages of spiritual growth that Ron Spoke about: 1 Opportunists, 2 Diplomats, 3 Experts, 4 Achievers, 5 Individualists, 6 Strategists, and 7 Alchemists.
Nelus about that bridge; the one you spoke about for ages and never bothered to say what you really mean. I am going to make a big educated guess here and say: 1) You either know what the ‘bridge’ really stands for and deliberately hid it’s occult meaning from the people who attended, or 2) You really don’t know what it means and you are deceived and have fallen off the narrow path and need to heed the Word of God.
1 Timothy 4:1 1 But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons,
So for the benefit of those who attended and have no clue as to what Nelus was speaking about.
The bridge is actually the rainbow
The rainbow bridges heaven and earth in Occult/New Age teaching.
The rainbow symbolises all faiths leading to one god.
And no, this is not about ‘the great commission’ of spreading the Gospel of Jesus Christ to the nations. This bridge is about spreading another gospel and another Christ to the nations; This Christ is found in all faiths, and there is no need for repentance of sin because you can remain in your religion and follow this new Jesus at the same time. Which unfortunately for you and everyone else who believes this rubbish is a lie.
You wanna know what really upsets me? The fact that none of you have the guts to say WHAT YOU MEAN! You stand there and you preach an occult message to a group of +/- 30yr olds and they think this is Christianity!! You tell them they need to see the world through new lenses. But you don’t tell them what those lenses are and how one gets them. If you need a lesson in what you are talking about please do contact me. Because either you are too weak to come outright and say what you are teaching or you actually have no idea what you are being led into and at the same time are leading others to the same dark place.
You speak in pathetic riddles, ‘we gotta go back to move forward, can’t go horizontal anymore so we have to go vertical. New this, new that, change this, change that, until it suits our sinful lives – oh and throw that Bible book away, it’s making our lives a misery’.
Ron Martoia then later spoke at the Mosaiek Church in Fairlands, Randburg with: Johan Geyser, Trevor Hudson, Rex van Vuuren, Stephan Joubert, Williem Nicol, Gys du Plessis, Gavin Sklar Chik and Annemarie Paulin Campell.
See Mosaiek application form here:
BUT WAIT… IT GETS WORSE:
If you wait long enough you might get a spot on the the Oprah show discussing Eckhart Tolle’s ‘New Earth’ New Age book. And if you thought it was to disagree with New Age spirituality, then you are sorely mistaken. Ron Martoia wants to partake in the global spiritual phenomenon with Oprah.
Ron Martoia on: Oprah and Eckhart: What’s the Deal?
Oprah & Eckhart – Oprah’s Beliefs
So book your Skype seats y’all this is gonna be really enlightening.
Come Stephan and Nelus and church people, let’s talk. This comment section does not have to catch a plane (like Ron did) and therefore we will be taking questions with a time limit that is way longer than 15 minutes.
Some bible verses for Ron Martoia, Stephan Joubert and Nelus Niemandt:
Clearing your Mind, Emptying your Mind (Contemplation/Meditation) is NOT Biblical.
1 Peter 4:7 The end of all things is near; therefore, be of sound judgment and sober spirit for the purpose of prayer.
The Word of God (Jesus Christ) is the Way, the Truth and the Life THE ultimate authority – NOTHING ELSE.
John 14:6 6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.”
Proverbs 30:5-6 5 Every word of God is tested; He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him. 6 Do not add to His words Or He will reprove you, and you will be proved a liar.
Isaiah 8:20 20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
Deuteronomy 4:2 2 You shall not add to the word which I am commanding you, nor take away from it, that you may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.
Deuteronomy 12:32 32 Whatever I command you, you shall be careful to do; you shall not add to nor take away from it
Revelation 22:17-18 17 “And behold,I am coming quickly. Blessed is he who heeds the words of the prophecy of this book. 18 I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book
Joshua 1:7 7 Only be strong and very courageous; be careful to do according to all the law which Moses My servant commanded you; do not turn from it to the right or to the left, so that you may have success wherever you go.
Deuteronomy 5:32 32 “So you shall observe to do just as the LORD your God has commanded you; you shall not turn aside to the right or to the left.
Psalm 12:6 6 The words of the LORD are pure words; As silver tried in a furnace on the earth, refined seven times.
Psalm 18:30 30 As for God, is way is blameless; The word of the LORD is tried; He is a shield to all who take refuge in Him.
Speaking in riddles, in a sly manner, using foolish wisdom and vein babblings, and denying Jesus Christ.
1 Corinthians 1:17 17 For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel, not in cleverness of speech, so that the cross of Christ would not be made void.
1 Corinthians 2:1 1 And when I came to you, brethren, I did not come with superiority of speech or of wisdom, proclaiming to you the testimony of God.
1 Corinthians 2:4 4 and my message and my preaching were not in persuasive words of wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power
2 Timothy 2:15 Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needs not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
The Word of God is NOT your own interpretation, you CAN’T sit around and dialogue as to what you think it means:
2 Peter 1:20-21 20 But know this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation, 21 for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.
2 Timothy 3:16 16 All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;
Having God’s Holy Spirit come to abide in you when you are born again – Only the Holy Spirit will guide you into Truth – nothing else!
John 14:17 17 that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you and will be in you.
John 16:13 13 “But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come.
John 14:26 26 “But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.
John 16:7 7 “But I tell you the truth, it is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I go, I will send Him to you.
Acts 2:33 33 “Therefore having been exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He has poured forth this which you both see and hear.
If you love Jesus Christ the Son of God you WILL love the Word of God for they are ONE and the same:
John 14:23-24 23 Jesus answered and said to him, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our abode with him. 24 “He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine, but the Father’s who sent Me.
John 14:1 15 “If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.”
1 John 5:3 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome.
Word of God is LIVING and POWERFUL
Hebrew 4:11-12 Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience. For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
Jesus Christ the Word of God made Flesh will NEVER fail, NEVER be removed and NEVER be destroyed.
John 1:1-5 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.
John 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
Matthew 24:35 35 “Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away.” (Mark 13:31, Luke 21:33)
Matthew 5:18 18 “For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.
Luke 16:17 17 “But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one stroke of a letter of the Law to fail.
Isaiah 40:8 The grass withers, the flower fades, but the word of our God stands forever.
Taken CAPTIVE through Philosophy, Traditions, Culture, Fables, Elementary Principles, Paganism, Worldy wisdom thereby falling away from the faith:
Colossians 2:6-10 6 Therefore as you have received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him, 7 having been firmly rooted and now being built up in Him and established in your faith, just as you were instructed, and overflowing with gratitude. 8 See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ. 9 For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form, 10 and in Him you have been made complete, and He is the head over all rule and authority;
1 Timothy 4:1 1 But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons,
Galatians 1:6-8,10 “I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed…. For do I now persuade men, or God? Or do I seek to please men? For if I still pleased men, I would not be a bondservant of Christ.”
2 Timothy 4:2-5 “Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables. But you be watchful in all things…”
Deuteronomy 18:9-14 9 “When you enter the land which the LORD your God gives you, you shall not learn to imitate the detestable things of those nations. 10 “There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, one who uses divination, one who practices witchcraft, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, 11 or one who casts a spell, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. 12 “For whoever does these things is detestable to the LORD; and because of these detestable things the LORD your God will drive them out before you. 13 “You shall be blameless before the LORD your God. 14 “For those nations, which you shall dispossess, listen to those who practice witchcraft and to diviners, but as for you, the LORD your God has not allowed you to do so.
False Teachers who use the name of Jesus Christ to deceive:
Matthew:7: 15-23 15 “Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly areravenous wolves. 16″You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they? 17″So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit. 18″A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit. 19″Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20″So then, you will know them by their fruits. 21″Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. 22″Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ 23″And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.’
Jeremiah 14:14 Then the LORD said to me, “The prophets are prophesying falsehood in My name I have neither sent them nor commanded them nor spoken to them; they are prophesying to you a false vision, divination, futility and the deception of their own minds.
Ezekiel 13:9 “So My hand will be against the prophets who see false visions and utter lying divinations They will have no place in the council of My people, nor will they be written down in the register of the house of Israel, nor will they enter the land of Israel, that you may know that I am the Lord GOD.
Ron’s, Stephan’s and Nelus’s gate is very wide:
Matthew 7:13-14 13 “Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. 14 “For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it.
Listening to the Word of God vs Listening to Ron, Stephan and Nelus:
Matthey 7: 24-25 24 “Therefore everyone who hears these words of Mine and acts on them, may be compared to a wise man who built his house on the rock. 25 “And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and yet it did not fall, for it had been founded on the rock. 26 “Everyone who hears these words of Mine and does not act on them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand. 27 “The rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and it fell–and great was its fall.”
Wise vs Foolish:
Matthew 7:26 “Everyone who hears these words of Mine and does not act on them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand.
1 Corinthians 3:18 18 Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you thinks that he is wise in this age, he must become foolish, so that he may become wise.
Romans 1:21 For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
1 Corinthians 1:18 [The Wisdom of God] For the word of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
1 Corinthians 1:20 Where is the wise man? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?
1 Corinthians 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness before God For it is written, “He is THE ONE WHO CATCHES THE WISE IN THEIR CRAFTINESS”;
1 Timothy 6:9 But those who want to get rich fall into temptation and a snare and many foolish and harmful desires which plunge men into ruin and destruction.