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Monster Energy Drink – Unleash the Beast 666

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Demonic Energy

Monster Energy has taken off like hot cakes, you see people wearing their branded clothing in the malls. Monster Energy MonsterEnergy 11 Monster Energy Drink   Unleash the Beast 666endorses racing teams;  if it’s fast and it’s fun, they will endorse it.  I always looked on in amazement as to what on earth their logo meant because it did not look good.

You will be shocked, just as I was to realised that the Monster logo is a ‘type‘ of a Mark of a Beast.  I compared the 3 lines that appear to make up the letter M (note the lines in the Monster logo are not joined together) to the Hebrew alphabet and this is what I discovered; the Hebrew letter Vav (which has a numerical value of 6) was a match.

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How sneaky is that? They are tricking you into having the numbers 666 in your possession disguised as 3 lines that supposedly look like monster claws cutting through the can.

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Now when you look at the rest of their slogans, everything takes on a different meaning, doesn’t it:

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Unleash the Beast!

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The Energy Drink contains ‘demonic’ energy and if you drink this drink you are drinking a satanic brew that will give you a boost.MonsterEnergy 10 Monster Energy Drink   Unleash the Beast 666

On Youtube, one of the Monster Energy Drink commercials – It would appear possession takes place, the MONSTER IS NOW INSIDE as they show the man’s eyes with 666 Vav, Vav, Vav

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Now this Monster logo is but a type of a Mark of the Beast.  The world out there is CONDITIONING mankind into accepting the real thing one day.  The bible says:

Revelation 13: 16-18  “He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, 17 and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. 18 Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666. Look at the pics below and realize they are intentionally and covertly getting people to wear the mark of the beast.”

MonsterEnergy 9 Monster Energy Drink   Unleash the Beast 666The world is being bombarded with symbols on a daily basis, however the symbols are becoming more and more ominous as we approach the New Age which according to occultists begins on the 22nd December 2012.   Symbols for occultists play a major part in their belief structure, it’s important for them because it supposedly projects energy.   MonsterEnergy 8 Monster Energy Drink   Unleash the Beast 666

“In the world of the occult, many symbols are imbued with power by the magician working in conjunction with the demonic spirit world. To cast a spell is to project energy through a symbol.”  –Wiccan, Starhawk “Covenant of the Goddess” – Manual: The Spiral Dance

People who are not saved, who are not covered by the Previous Blood of Jesus Christ are susceptible to their attacks. Witchcraft is being used against the world on a scale so broad that it encompasses everything you see on a daily basis – right down to children’s clothing at your local clothing store.

If you are not saved and would like to know Jesus Christ please read this: From Darkness to the Light – Salvation through Jesus Christ

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Monster Energy are not just a small brand, they are big, and they endorse big names in a wide range of sports:  

Monster Energy pays many sportsmen and sportswomen to endorse its products. The list includes: skaterGreg Lutzka, skaterRob Dyrdek, BMXRiderMike Spinner, skaterDorien Walker, Mountain Bike RiderSam Hill, BMX RiderRick Thorne, Jackass’sstarJason “WEE MAN” Acuña, BMX ChampionTJ Lavin, snowboarder Rupert Davies, former World Speedway ChampionGreg Hancock, Mercedes GP Petronas Formula One Team, 2010Motorcycle speedway World Champion Tomasz Gollob, IndyCar Series racecar driver Paul Tracy, Australian V8 Supercars champion Jamie Whincup, Prodrift series drifting driverDean Kearney, rally driver Ken Block, rally racing drivers Stéphane Peterhansel and Krzysztof Hołowczyc, rallycross driver Liam Doran, former motocrosssupercross and current racecar driver Ricky Carmichael, Off-road racing truck driver BJ “Ballistic” Baldwin, and MotoGP riders Valentino “The Doctor” Rossi, Colin Edwards and Ben Spies, and professional junior squash player Bryan Knight. Also as of 2010 Monster sponsor the six car Team Japspeed drift team in the United Kingdom, and in the U.S., Drifter Vaughn Gittin Jr of the Formula D series. in 2010 with his 2010 Falken Tire/Monster Energy Ford Racing Mustang.[7]

Monster sponsors a motocross race team named “Monster Energy/Pro Circuit/Kawasaki“.[8] The brand is also the title sponsor of the French motorcycle Grand Prix.[9] Prior to this, Monster sponsored Kawasaki. The Vans Warped Tour features a Monster touring bus that gives out free Monster Energy Drinks during the event. Monster Energy is a sponsor of the X Games, and features in the videogames Colin McRae: Dirt 2, Dirt 3, Skate 2 as well as Skate 3.

In September 2009, Monster Energy teamed up with Activision to bring special redeemable codes on the Monster Energy website where people can submit codes included in Monster Energy packs to redeem things such as Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 Premium Themes and a Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 Map Pack code.[10][11] In addition, Monster Energy were among the main sponsors of the 2009 Sonisphere Festival in Knebworth, UK.

Monster also sponsors the North American E-sports team Evil Geniuses and provides them with a fridge full of Monster for their gaming house in Arizona.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monster_Energy

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225 comments to Monster Energy Drink – Unleash the Beast 666

  • Kate Akele

    Am surprised no one has commented yet. anyway, my own ten kobo worth is -He who has ears to hear and eyes to see, let him hear and see! It’s amazing how subtle this campaign is and how shocking sad that Christians are asleep or guzzling their way through to La- la land. Sheesh!

  • Robbie

    Right Kate…
    Just spoke to my 12 yr old. This is a popular drink amongst teens.

    Yena lala Kate… zonke.
    (it means they are asleep Debs :-)

  • Burning Lamp

    If I got this I missed it. It is truly SCARY that all the little kids who play their Pokemon and video games are being GROOMED to enter this gateway to hell.

    Satan wants to devour our young and he will do it any way he can.

  • ruan

    I say let they who have eyes see and they who have ears listen but those who has a brain why not think for themselves…
    Its so obvious what the world has became,therefore we must stand proud and strong as 1…

  • Zelda

    I find it interesting that the Vav in Hebrew also denotes a ” W ” -also with numerical value 6 …………..which leaves us with a suspicious ” world wide web”

  • Hester

    OH MY WORD!!! You know, my daughter drives this little orange (nogal) car, and her friends decided to beef it up for her and they put this monster logo on it for her on her bonnet. She came home and I wasn’t aware that this is a ‘logo’ and immediately I felt uneasy about this and told her that I don’t like it and now I know why I didn’t and don’t like it. Thank you so much Deborah. I have emailed her the link to this and I pray that the Holy Spirit will open her eyes to the truth. Again, thanks Deborah.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Hester

    Ja, it’s a bit of a shocker isn’t it. I’ve seen grown men proudly walking around in the shopping malls wearing Monster t-shirts. If only they knew. I’ve never taken so much notice of a t-shirt before as I have these – something seriously bothered me about them. A while ago I was in a pharmacy with my husband and we saw the drinks in the isle on the way to the tills and I said to my husband that there is something wrong with this logo and he agreed.

  • guta terefe

    but,what if a believer unknowingly wears a cloth or drinks a drink with this sign, does this separate him from Christ?

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    guta terefe

    >> but,what if a believer unknowingly wears a cloth or drinks a drink with this sign, does this separate him from Christ?

    Nope, of course not. But to willingly wear a t-shirt from this company now that you know what the logo means would be wrong.

  • Monster

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  • Paul

    i am really shocked at this, how do we teach people to be aware of such deceptions? to me it looked like another drink but now my eyes are openned….

    yoh, Lord help us before were doomed…..

  • paul

    You don’t think this is all done tounge in cheek? I’m sure the makers of monstor are just using this as a marketing ploy. The more hyped up we get the more money thay make!

    Besides the drink tatse aweful and gives u no more power than a cup of coffee.

    If u want a real drink, have a red bull it gives you wings!

  • jane

    many things are happening today in the world we are living so we as Christians should be really careful on what we wear because the devil has developed many tactics to lure people and mostly we should pray to God to strengthen our faith more so that we should not fail to temptations

  • Wayne

    I agree with Matt!

  • Matt Johnson

    THE MARK OF THE BEAST IS ISLAM!!!

  • lizzy143

    i think this isnt really the meaning…. i think it is written well but i see no proof that it is real. i drink monsters but i have recently stoped because i am researching them because my family is on me but thanks 4 the some what help……

  • Brenda Rogers

    1 Peter 4:12
    [ Suffering as a Christian ] Beloved, do not be surprised at the fiery trial when it comes upon you to test you, as though something strange were happening to you.

    Isaiah 60 (ESV)

    Arise, shine, for your light has come,
    and the glory of the Lord has risen upon you.
    2 For behold, darkness shall cover the earth,
    and thick darkness the peoples;
    but the Lord will arise upon you,
    and his glory will be seen upon you.

    Jude 1:24-25
    (NLT)
    A Prayer of Praise

    24 Now all glory to God, who is able to keep you from falling away and will bring you with great joy into his glorious presence without a single fault. 25 All glory to him who alone is God, our Savior through Jesus Christ our Lord. All glory, majesty, power, and authority are his before all time, and in the present, and beyond all time! Amen.

  • NGELE T A

    i’t won’t work here in SA.In the NANE OF JESUS

  • Ross

    Give me a break! I am sure the manufacturers of this product did not intentionally design the logo with 666 in mind. In my opinion the mark of the beast is a spiritual mark of ownership not physical. It is amazing how some people see the devil around every corner…

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Ross

    >> I am sure the manufacturers of this product did not intentionally design the logo with 666 in mind

    I am SURE THEY DID :)

  • Albert

    [deleted - if this blog is just sensationalism then you wont mind me deleting your comment.]

  • Marco

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  • Elaine

    Yes, I’m sure they did know what were doing, too. It’s been interesting to read how important symbols are to the occult. Symbols are the language of the occult. They’re used to communicate messages. Not only that, but according to Foster Bailey and Manley Hall, prominent luciferians, symbols have the potential for incredible power. I have a relative who has runes tattooed on her arms to give her power and protection. She is a Wiccan.

    When I see so-called Christian bands use satanic symbolism, well that tells me all I need to know. Some have more occult symbolism than heavy metal bands from the 80s! (which I used to be in to in the 80s.) My husband was listening to P.O.D. the other day. He’s not a Christian. I talk to him about occult symbolsim and he thinks I’m crazy. Anyway, I said that years ago P.O.D., a Christian band, had their albums banned by some Chrisitan bookstores because of the occult symbolism on their albums. He said, “They are NOT a Christian band!” Intereting that Christians will believe bands are Christian despite the evidence, but a non-Chrisitan can see it. I told a friend that Sonny Sandoval from P.O.D. is now in The Whosoevers (she loves them) and they have even more occult symbolism on their website than P.O.D. used to have on their albums! But I bet Christian bookstores, being like they are today, would not ban them. Anyway, my friend won’t question the occult symbols because she says that they give glory to Jesus!! But I think most false teachers do that. I am amazed at the soaking of the occult on our society and it is embraced – like people are under some kind of spell. Christians love Harry Potter. I don’t get it. It boggles my mind. The church I left 6 months ago has rap and heavy metal concerts. One of the last bands to play there was the Silent Nine. Oh my goodness. The lyrics are so dark. There’s no glorifying God in thier songs at all. I checked out their website. The closest it came was saying something like: People looking up in the sky in confusion looking for their savior to return.

    Name of the album – Falling Pryamids. Seeing as how the number 9 is significant in the occult, I wouldn’t doubt if their name had some kind of occult meaning.

    Thank you for your site. I don’t feel so alone in my sticking to what the Bible says. Believing that Jesus meant what He said. God meant what he said when he told us to stay away from socery, divination, necromancy – every kind of witchcraft.

    I read a post where someone accused you of not speaking in love in exposing false teaching. You ARE speaking in love. Please keep up the good work. I’ve been accused of using unChristian and unloving tactics in pointing out things I believed were wrong. I was told in Revelation 22 we aren’t to dwell on the sins of others, that research is unproductive, etc.

    Thanks again for your site.

  • Jake Wells

    If you also notice the logo looks like three nails which were used obviously to crucify our Lord Jesus . One of Satan’s titles is “the nail”.

  • Shantal

    I say that in order to establish a logo for any company it would have to be well researched and well thought through so the chances of the monster logo being the mark of the beast are extremely high. Just an educated guess. Gosh even the slogan is creepy.

  • Hi

    I was looking at the Hebrew letter and honestly it doesn’t look much like the ‘claw’ mark on the can. The top of the letter is much wider and it has a wider area at the bottom.

  • Zack

    Greetings. This is a very interesting site. To the point, I ran across this about the 1st of summer this year & my jaw about hit the ground. I am learning Hebrew (about 2 yrs now) and did not see this. I received a t-shirt at a scholastic concert (band, orchestra, choir) at my kids school; Monster was a MAJOR sponsor!! Like other posters have said when I first saw this logo, it gave me an uneasy feel, something about poison green maybe. NOW I know why! The t-shirt does make a good presentation tool for Sunday school and small group. As for being an intentional design, there is no doubt about that, though the designers may not be completely aware of it. And while we are on the subject, Paul commented about Red Bull. The only red bull I’m aware of is a sacrificial bull and no matter how many wings you get, it still won’t get you to heaven. I hope I haven’t rambled too badly. Keep up the good work. Shalom.

  • Reality

    Hey, it’s Reality again … on a slightly more serious note, do you dismiss the portion of the scripture that says the mark will be necessary to buy or sell things? Or do you really think at some point we’ll be required to have a Monster Energy cap on to get groceries? o.O

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Reality

    Really???? To think that we think this is the Mark of the Beast is just ludicrous. This is NOT the Mark of the Beast. But it is a company using the numbers 666 disguised as a logo. And now kids think it’s great to wear 666 clothing or have a sticker on their car, unbeknown to them the marketing intentions. Use your noggin.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Shantal

    It’s NOT the Mark of the Beast. It’s just a logo representing satan’s number 666.

  • Preacher Paul

    Last year my son came home from public school & had a friend over & I heard him tell his friend that was “Beast”. I called him over & asked the meaning, because we 45 year olds are out of touch. It is the new “Cool”. He knows CHRISTianity already, but I’ve still missed some things. So this triggered me into having him read the book of Revelation over the next couple of weeks. However, I told him immediately he wasn’t to use this term in this fashion. Satan’s greatest lie has been to persuade the world that he doesn’t exist & then to get them to believe that God doesn’t exist, either. If you go around using “Beast” for “Cool”, then you will think that Satan is “Cool” when he finally comes out of his closet as the “Beast”. He seen my point. Especially when I pointed out the fact that if you use a swiss cheese chart & line up all the holes for “Monster” Energy drink, the Hebrew #6, Unleash the Beast, that there is no coincidence here. The demonic forces are preparing for a massive offensive & are using everything that they can bring to bear to persuade people or to desensitize people to the “Beast” coming on the scene. If you want me to use the movies: “Sea Turtles, Mate”. Keep getting yourselves acclimatized. Soon, you’ll be trapped & wrapped around Satan’s little finger like a fly in a spiderweb. You’ll get caught on the Road To Abilene. Just like the movie: The Children’s Hour with Audrey Hepburn & James Garner. A lie can go a long way & there is only 1 I know of that can get optimum mileage out of a lie & that’s Satan. Believe what you want, But As For Me & My Household, We Will Serve The Lord. If any others out there want to know how to be saved, you can look at Romans 10:9-13 – “9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
    12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. 13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.” Have a great day, & for God’s sake, quit supporting islam. That’s Satanic all in itself.

  • Peirce

    Hey I have monster symbol tattooed & I believe in God. Bit if you look close the first to claws are connected.

  • Robbie

    Peirce,

    Satan also believes in God.

    The Bible also clearly forbids making cuttings and markings on your body…
    Lev 19:28 Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD.

    http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/11/30/to-tattoo-or-not-too-tattoo-that-is-the-biblical-question/

  • Hanelie

    This is just curiosity, Peirce, but … why this symbol?

  • Inhax

    Jesus Christ is our only savior!

  • merijn I Love Jesus

    Hi,

    Thanks for sharing this.
    A few month ago i drink monster allot. In a week i drink it like 3 or 4 times.
    But on a moment me brother told me about this. But he diden’t know if it was right.
    So i thought, never mind, because i like it very much. i think i was addicted.
    But when i drink it again, something in my mind was saying to me, it is not good, stop with it! But i ignore it.
    But now, like 2 month ago, i had a dream and i was drinking a Monster, but someone took it from me and wrote down in red collor the nummer 666. And he told me, you know it now, and you still drink it. And in my dream i ran away. So when i woke, i told Jesus to never drink it again.

    And now i founbd this site, and i really want it to share.
    (i’m sorry for my bad English, it’s because i’m not very good in it)

    Thanks for sharing this!

    God Bless!

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    merijin

    Well strange things do happen, and I do believe the makers of this drink are definitely NOT Christian and definitely went out of their way to market their product with an evil connotation, and attached the numbers 666 to it, hiding it behind their logo.

    I get so many comments on this article that I delete of people swearing at me big time and cursing Christians it’s not even funny. I won’t take this article down because the more they comment and swear at me and curse me the more I know this product is evil. The rate of people out there that hates Christianity is increasing more and more by the second.

  • Heinrich

    A bit of a shocker – I had this sticker on my bike and gave one to my baby girl for her doll house – well we know that it is evil now LETS SPREAD THE WORD AND TELL !!!!!!!

  • Janel Jackson

    Hi Elaine,
    Nice post! Great to know there are people out there that realize what you said :) I would love if you would email me [email removed for SPAM purposes]……I may be slow to answer I have 3 little girls and they keep me busy :)

    Elaine wrote:

    Yes, I’m sure they did know what were doing, too. It’s been interesting to read how important symbols are to the occult. Symbols are the language of the occult. They’re used to communicate messages. Not only that, but according to Foster Bailey and Manley Hall, prominent luciferians, symbols have the potential for incredible power. I have a relative who has runes tattooed on her arms to give her power and protection. She is a Wiccan.

    When I see so-called Christian bands use satanic symbolism, well that tells me all I need to know. Some have more occult symbolism than heavy metal bands from the 80s! (which I used to be in to in the 80s.) My husband was listening to P.O.D. the other day. He’s not a Christian. I talk to him about occult symbolsim and he thinks I’m crazy. Anyway, I said that years ago P.O.D., a Christian band, had their albums banned by some Chrisitan bookstores because of the occult symbolism on their albums. He said, “They are NOT a Christian band!” Intereting that Christians will believe bands are Christian despite the evidence, but a non-Chrisitan can see it. I told a friend that Sonny Sandoval from P.O.D. is now in The Whosoevers (she loves them) and they have even more occult symbolism on their website than P.O.D. used to have on their albums! But I bet Christian bookstores, being like they are today, would not ban them. Anyway, my friend won’t question the occult symbols because she says that they give glory to Jesus!! But I think most false teachers do that. I am amazed at the soaking of the occult on our society and it is embraced – like people are under some kind of spell. Christians love Harry Potter. I don’t get it. It boggles my mind. The church I left 6 months ago has rap and heavy metal concerts. One of the last bands to play there was the Silent Nine. Oh my goodness. The lyrics are so dark. There’s no glorifying God in thier songs at all. I checked out their website. The closest it came was saying something like: People looking up in the sky in confusion looking for their savior to return.

    Name of the album – Falling Pryamids. Seeing as how the number 9 is significant in the occult, I wouldn’t doubt if their name had some kind of occult meaning.

    Thank you for your site. I don’t feel so alone in my sticking to what the Bible says. Believing that Jesus meant what He said. God meant what he said when he told us to stay away from socery, divination, necromancy – every kind of witchcraft.

    I read a post where someone accused you of not speaking in love in exposing false teaching. You ARE speaking in love. Please keep up the good work. I’ve been accused of using unChristian and unloving tactics in pointing out things I believed were wrong. I was told in Revelation 22 we aren’t to dwell on the sins of others, that research is unproductive, etc.

    Thanks again for your site.

    [EDITED by DTW - Hi Janel, I removed your email for SPAM reasons, if Elaine wants to email you she can reply here via comment and I will email her your address]

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  • Lerato

    Above all else,Jesus is above every spiritual ruler or authority!These are truly the last days and all of these strange happenings are just evidence that Jesus is close to coming back,VERY CLOSE,His Word motivates us to keep on praying,especially for those in the darkness!Fellow Christian it is upon us to stand firm and pray against the progression of this disturbing nature,through prayer and petition Nothing shall be impossible to those who believe!Stay Praying!

  • rey

    Whether its the mark of the beast or not those energy drinks have enough caffeine in them to kill a cow. Its certainly not good for you.

  • Redeemed

    This just hit the news:

    5 Deaths Linked to Monster Energy Drink – Wrongful Death Suit Filed in CA

    http://ww2.cox.com/myconnection/arizona/today/news/national/article.cox?articleId=DA22RNI82&moduleType=apNews

    These type of drinks are being marketed to people who are riding the edge and not living balanced lives and are looking for a magic bullet – we live in a microwave-minded society that is looking for instant answers.

  • Micheline

    Thank you very much for this article. I’m about to “chuck” a baseball cap with this logo into the trash, shredded that no one else may be deceived.

  • Mam

    yes Debora,the devil think it can win all the people but our living God is so good to protect us. Let us be aware of all trics and tactics used by the devil woshippers,especially on our children.
    monster will remain evil even if one says it boost energy.Jesus Christ had enough energy even when He fasted for 40 days and nights.
    I never loved this bands but didn’t know why.I know now that Jesus I’m serving is always sensitizing those who believes in Him.
    I wish people can know that Jesus is arround the corner and start to seek him and the holy Spirit.
    thank you so much for enlighting hte world

  • steve

    Monster Drinks have recently resulted in some reported deaths. Not to mention the PEPSI Soda scandal of using “aborted baby fetus tissue from kidneys” to test flavor enhancers in their soft drinks! Obama gave the green light to continue this morbid practice and it would seem that the Bibles prediction of Leviticus 26:28,29 is truly coming to pass! These ungodly satanists are not happy until they turn us all into Zombie Cannibals. It has never been more important to pray and ask for the blessing of God over what we eat and drink, than now! Also, avoid eating or drinking things offered up to devils & idols.

  • Myfanwy Brown

    I also saw the deaths from Monster Drinks, and I was shocked. Quite a long time ago, my one son used to buy them and when I saw them in the fridge, I felt uneasy and I spoke to him about them. He does not drink them anymore, but I know he has gone on to other energy drinks. I confess, I do drink lucozade, but I have cut back on them too. I have always said grace before eating, even a snack, and I do it meaningfully and trusting God to protect me. We will not know everything that is in our food and drink, or who handled it, but by being as careful as possible and praying over our food, I do believe we are protected. I will never drink PEPSI again!

  • Redeemed

    Steve, have you been drinking the Infowars/Alex Jones “kool-aid”?
    It would seem that you need to do a fact check. According to my research,
    Pepsico had been affiliated with a company that used fetal tissue, and after protests, Pepsico issued a statement that they had severed that relationship and that they themselves had never engaged in that activity.

    We live in a wicked world and unfortunately people like Alex Jones capitalize on it.

  • Redeemed

    I agree that we certainly need to pray before eating, not only to thank the Lord for His provision, but as hard as we try we cannot be certain what we are eating is free of chemicals and who-knows-what, genetically-engineered, etc. And we can’t know what goes into every soda and every fruit drink or what the company whether it be Pepsi, Coke, RC, etc. is doing. We could wear ourselves out researching. Instead, just trust the Lord and be wise.

  • Redeemed

    I should add – articles like this one are valuable and we do need to warn about things like this that are blatantly demonic. Just yesterday I was in Walmart and saw their cool case at the check-out was full of Monster Energy.
    Wouldn’t you think after the deaths they would take it off the shelf?

  • Esme

    steve wrote:

    Monster Drinks have recently resulted in some reported deaths. Not to mention the PEPSI Soda scandal of using “aborted baby fetus tissue from kidneys” to test flavor enhancers in their soft drinks! Obama gave the green light to continue this morbid practice and it would seem that the Bibles prediction of Leviticus 26:28,29 is truly coming to pass! These ungodly satanists are not happy until they turn us all into Zombie Cannibals. It has never been more important to pray and ask for the blessing of God over what we eat and drink, than now! Also, avoid eating or drinking things offered up to devils & idols.

    Omg steve I love pepsi I herd a testimony of a former satanist n drug smuggler that the coke company the maker sacrifices every year a person n use it literally in the drink as an offering to satan therefor I now drink only pepsi it now that I read what u said I’m gonna stop drinking pepsi too

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Esme

    >> Omg steve I love pepsi I herd a testimony of a former satanist n drug smuggler that the coke company the maker sacrifices every year a person n use it literally in the drink as an offering to satan

    LOL, ok Esme me thinks you have been had ;) If anything the human sacrifice alone was the offering to Satan, not the depravity of SOMEHOW using the person in the drink – how does he get the pieces of sacrificed body to every coke company across the world? No really…

    Drink water, and stay away from Aspartame (diet sodas) – that turns your brain to jelly and that is NO JOKE.

  • Myfanwy Brown

    Esme.. I would just like to draw your attention to your use of the abbreviation ‘omg’. I am sure you meant it to be ‘oh my gosh’, but please realise that those types of abbreviations, as well as many of the euphenisms we so often use.. these are blasphemous and we should not be uttering them. Neither should we use them in our ‘writing’. I was unaware of the meanings of some of them myself, and when I did realise what I was actually saying, I was grieved. Some folk might think that this is some kind of pettiness, but I do believe that is not the case and that we should be aware of these things, as I am sure they do not please the Lord.

    The following is a good article on this subject.. (please note I am not endorsing this site in any way, only the article).

    http://www.whatchristianswanttoknow.com/christian-swearing-and-swear-words-a-lesson-on-guarding-your-tongue/

  • Jesus isn't real

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  • Someone

    If you drink monster you dont consume satan’s evil. You can only allow him inside you by opening those spiritual doors when you play with things you shouldnt…i should know, i did it. And i still drink Monster, still perfectly fine. This article is stupid. People should really stop looking for satan in everything and put their focus on other things that are uplifting.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Someone

    Can you read? Apparently not. Did I say anywhere in the article that if you drink Monster something will happen to you? No. Did I say it was the Mark of the Beast as so many claim? No.

    I’m just stating that the makers of this drink are satanic people who branded their drink around evil and the hidden number 666. Now, drink the drink all you like it’s not going to affect you in any way, but it would be down right UNWISE of you as a Christian to wear Monster clothing and put their stickers on your car knowing it represents 666.

    Get it? Got it? Great!

  • Slindo

    My stepfather drink monster, just last week I and my cousin sister we both agreed that there is something wrong about this drink. My stepfather asked me on Friday last week if the drink had too much alcohol because he said each time he drank monster he felt disy.

  • FAITH

    ITS TIME CHRISTIANS WAKE UP FOR THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS AT HAND. WHEN WE HEAR THE MESSAGE WE SHOULD TRY AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE TO SHARE IT WITH OUR FRIENDS AND FAMILY. GOD BLESS U ALL.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Faith

    >> WHEN WE HEAR THE MESSAGE

    What message would that be? *just wondering*

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Slindo

    >> My stepfather asked me on Friday last week if the drink had too much alcohol because he said each time he drank monster he felt disy.

    Me thinks it’s the caffeine overload

  • Martin Horan

    People have the proclivity to make the facts fit their paradigms rather than vice versa. Political and religious types think that way all the time. It’s wishful thinking and Christians should remember that Satan is a wishful thinker:
    Satan is going to fight God till the end; and will again after the millenium when he’s released for the last time. Yet even now he really knows that his time is short [Rev 12:12](& cf Rev 17:10 another Scripture Satan knows) despite what the Bible and its facts scream out. He is the ultimate wishful thinker.
    This M for the Monster drink is a good example of making facts fit the paradigm and another bit of wishful thinking.
    The drink is called Monster so they want a creepy-looking slogan. It’s hardly rocket science! And that’s what we’ve got–a Gothic M.
    Am I saying that it’s good to drink Monster? Of course not. But we should keep our eye on the proverbial ball. I can remember “Christians” claiming the Y2K disaster–which never happened–and making dates for the Rapture which also all backfired. People have come up with 666 adding up to the names of anti-Christs many of whom are now dead!
    We have to be as wise as serpents [Matt 10:16]. Foolishness does not help Christ’s message.
    To read the Gothic M to be three Hebrew vavs stuck together is on a par with making 666 add up to a man’s name. That is numerology–or Gematria if you like–which is condemned in the Bible. It is condemned for the simple reason that it’s witchcraft.
    Revelation tells us plainly that 666 is the number of a man. That means it’s a number which belongs to a man and one on which we are to cogitate. So somehow it’s related to a man. It’s interesting that the number on the seat of the President of the EU is 666 and the only one with that number. The rest have the other individual numbers of the EU MPs.
    The Bible talks of the simplicity in Christ [2 Cor 11:3] and we’d be wise to hold to that simplicity. It’s the devil who complicates things. A cursory glance at what false religions, pseudo-Christianity, Masonry and all the cults teach shows that their doctrines are complicated. They all add and subtract from God’s Word. That’s how Satan started out confusing Adam and Eve. In the beginning he used that tactic and he never gives up on strategies that work for him.
    Conspiracy theorists complicate things all the time. The “logic” three vavs for an M is, to my mind, just another red herring. It’s like something straight out of Alec Jones or David Ike’s emotive statements.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Martin

    Thanks for the insult and for completely mis-understanding the article.

  • Preacher Paul

    I agree that islam will be one of the final religions that will persecute against the Jews & CHRISTians. I find it highly interesting that the Book of Revelation says that there were those who were beheaded for their faith in Jesus Christ. islam says that they’re to behead us. A book to read that compares CHRISTianity & islam is: The islamic anti-christ by Joel Richardson.

  • Preacher Paul

    I’ve been pointing some of these things out to people & people pretty much call me a conspiracy theorist. I believe my Holy Bible. I read it everyday. And now I have my eyes opened to what’s going on in the world (2Cor.4:3-4). I see it like swiss cheese. I visualize a bunch of things having to line up like bunches of swiss cheese holes lining up to prove a problem. What we have here is: 1. the cross in the “O” of the Monster title, 2. the 3 claw marks in the can that are dominating the face of the can that represent a beast of sorts, 3. the 3 marks equaling that of the “Mark of the Beast” 666 from the Holy Bible in the End-Times, 4. The fact that they are written in Hebrew which is the native religion of Israel, 5. With all the signs going on in the world right now, Satan will become bolder with more & more people being deceived, he (Satan) is starting to literally advertise/immunize people to his presence by throwing this on a can for all to see, purchase & drink. 6. My son came home from school last year with his friend & said, “That is ‘BEAST!’” This is something being said in elementary schools! Naturally, we read all of Revelation together & I began explaining the implications of what he said. He & his schoolmates are being desensitized to Satan’s presence… He’s never said it again since I’ve explained it to him, 7. Another name for a Monster is Beast, 8. Then you have the “Unleash The Beast” logo on the back of the can. Tie that in with the Hebrew 666 logo emblazoned on the front of the can, the Monster company choosing the number from Holy Bible, the Monster that is also a Beast, the Unleash the Beast logo, all the signs going on in the world, homosexuality being one of the last items that run rampant in a nation before it’s demise, our president & all the trash he does, the fact that he’s a Bilderberger (see Rev. chapter 18), ect.. I can go on & on. The only question I have for anyone who’s read this, is do you scoff at the fact that you think this is a joke? Or are you actively trying to warn people about the eternal location of their souls in eternity & how to be saved (Romans 10:9-13). Will you be found on Judgment Day to have actively warned people away from the dangers of the world/Satan or will you have been as a lukewarm water in God’s mouth that is good for nothing (Rev. 3:15-16 & you can reference Matt. chapter 25)? People today are turningaway from God. This is the Great Apostasy in 1Tim. 4:1-16 & 1Thes. 2:1-17. Are you raising your children to know God/Jesus Christ? Did your parents raise you to know Jesus Christ? Were you warned about the signs of the end-times? Are you yourself saved? The only path to Heaven has been laid out in the Holy Bible in John 14:6 – “Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.”
    If you don’t know how to be saved; here is how to be saved: Romans 10:9-13 – “That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
    12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. 13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.” If you choose to want to be saved, let me encourage you to read your Holy Bible. I prefer the KJV, but I might suggest for a beginner the NLT version 1st. Start with the John in the New Testament & read to Revelation. Matthew, Mark, Luke & John are all the same account of Jesus & His life on earth from 4 different people & their eye-witness accounts of what they saw. After you’ve read the N.T., I would encourage you to start with the Old Testament. You can read the entire Holy Bible in a years time if you can stick with reading 4 pages a day. If you do this, you will find that the Holy Bible can be enlightening in how to live your life. I call it an instructional manual in how to live our lives. What to do & what not to do. How to prepare our hearts & how not to harden our hearts.
    I’m glad someone else has picked up on this other than me. Kudos to you & God Bless your efforts in “Contending For the Faith” (Jude 3).

    Do conspiracy theorist complicate things? I can neither agree with or disagree with that, but I will say this, I keep my eyes open & this here is definately a sign of the times.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Preacher Paul

    >> Satan will become bolder with more & more people being deceived, he (Satan) is starting to literally advertise/immunize people to his presence by throwing this on a can for all to see, purchase & drink.

    That is exactly what he is going.

  • Paul (Continue in His Word)

    Martin,

    After reading the article, my understanding is that the whole point is this “Now this Monster logo is but a type of a Mark of the Beast. The world out there is CONDITIONING mankind into accepting the real thing one day.” (Debs correct me if I did not get the point)
    We do not need a lot of discernment in these last days to know that the world (under the dominion of Satan) right now is conditioning mankind into worshiping the Beast when he is revealed, which is going to happen very soon after the imminent Rapture. The signs are ALL OVER the place.

    Your comment makes me very sad indeed. I’m praying for you.
    Your brother in Christ,
    Paul

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Paul

    Yes, you get my point…

    But Martins point is unfortunately sad.

    >> We do not need a lot of discernment in these last days

    We do need a whole lot of discernment in these last days to know what is going in the world. Holy Spirit = Discernment.

  • Paul (Continue in His Word)

    Instead of writing “we do not need a lot of discernment…”, I actually meant “it does not take a lot of discernment…”, in a way to say to Martin that he really showed very poor discernment here.
    Of course we do need a lot of discernment in these last days, seeing what Satan is unleashing on the world!

  • Nelis

    Look I’m not a satanist or a anti-christian or athiest, but I do believe In God and that J.C is our lord and saviour, but what annoys me about something like this is is that according to most of the older generation Christians EVERYTHING except going to church and the bible is of the devil. You’re not allowed to have a television because EVERYTHING on there is of the devil. You can’t watch movies or play videos games because EVERYTHING is of devil. I meam seriously if you look for it you will find it in anything. Even these soapies that these old christian tannies like to watch. Really people!!!!!

  • Tucson

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  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Nelis

    Isaiah 5:20
    20 ​​​​​​​Those who call evil good and good evil are as good as dead, ​​​​​​who turn darkness into light and light into darkness, ​​​​​​who turn bitter into sweet and sweet into bitter.

    >> J.C is our lord and saviour,

    You abbreviate your Lord and Saviour’s name? He is not a rap artist. He is the KING of KINGS.

  • aldin

    Hahaha its relly intiresting that jou say about the monster energy
    Drink and I belive it… And it is riten in the bibl that some day this would
    And I relly want the people to realise the monster energy is the tripple 6 people
    Open jour eyed !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!…………

  • Nelis

    >> 20 ​​​​​​​Those who call evil good and good evil are as good as dead, ​​​​​​who turn darkness into light and light into darkness, ​​​​​​who turn bitter into sweet and sweet into bitter.

    True, but at the end of the day every person will probably have to decide for themselves. I’m not saying your right, but I’m not saying you wrong either.

    Something like this will always be a big debate

  • Rachel

    I can see what your saying but how can you be sure its not the ‘nun’(N) symbol as they do look very similar to me?

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Rachel

    Nope

  • Carolyn

    Deb…you said, “How sneaky is that? They are tricking you into having the numbers 666 in your possession disguised as 3 lines that supposedly look like monster claws cutting through the can.”

    Interesting. If you know what to look for (occult symbols, New Age agendas, New World Order…ad infinity), it boggles the mind just how pervasive, bold, aggressive and rapid Satan’s campaign for world takeover is. I’ve seen so much, I’m practically numb. This is darkness that would send 3 shivers down my spine….if it wasn’t for the Word that diffuses all my fear.

    The darker the night…the brighter the Light of Christ.

  • me and my bro-bo

    my youth and i used to be like obsessed with monster energy drinks. then one day our youth pastor brought it to our attention and so we all did a lil research lol and we found some pretty crazy stuff…for example. the o with the line inside of it s not an o with a line inside of it. it is actually a cross with an arch coming down from it and it reprsents the breaking of the cross….look it up man…pretty darn legit…

  • Truthful Conversation

    I see on the news they have taken Monster off the energy drinks shelves, and put them on the drinks shelf with cold drinks. The guy speaking said they only have as much caffeine in them as half a mug of coffee..yeah right!!

  • Redeemed

    I have noticed them at one of the big box stores in the cold case just before the check stand along with the regular sodas. What an invitation to grab one as one is out doing shopping and feeling a bit ragged in a busy day.

    There was a series of lawsuits filed against the makers of Monster Energy, but never heard if anything came of it. I do seem to recall that they tweaked the ingredients somewhat.

    We live in such a frenzied society with everyone running the rat race, sleep deprived and here is that extra boost they need to make it through the day! Or the 5 hour energy little bottles sold in convenience stores and advertised on TV as being recommended by doctors! This is attractive to people who would never think of taking illegal drugs.

    Energy is supposed to come from proper diet, exercise and healthy lifestyles.

  • Q

    Yeah, Monster really doesn’t have that much caffeine from what I remember. Most of the ‘energy’ is actually vitamin B and taurine, amongst various other things.

    I’m curious. What about Venom energy drinks? From what I’ve seen in the comments, most of you seem to be against energy drinks in general because it’s an unnatural way to get energy or something to that effect, but is there anything specifically wrong with Venom?

    Now, I’ve gotta be honest. I’m not very religious, but I appreciate learning about others’ beliefs even if I disagree with them. That’s why I ask. My sister stumbled across this article a little while back and showed it to me because she thought I’d find it interesting, and I have.

  • MorningStar

    Or maybe they’re just claw marks designed by an artist and picked by boardmembers out of hundreds of submissions?…

    Just because their logo can be broken into hebrew numerals doesnt mean that was ever an intention. Wheres your connection between monster and the occult?

  • Lauren

    Wow! One of my high school friends has had hundreds of monster drinks. He has collected the tabs from each can. This is very scary!

  • C. W. Sherman

    Energy drinks are a hype that the public are currently “into” and the amount of caffeine contained within often do have positive, or negative impacts on the partakers. To suggest that wearing the brand of a drink you enjoy seperates you from GOD seems a little ridiculous, especially when you consider the fact that they don’t actually support anything occult, they sell a drink. If I sold the drinks, and then donated a portion of the funds to the Church of Satan in Salem, MA, that would be a horrible investment and I would strongly advise anyone who considered themself a non-Satanist not to purchase a Monster drink. As it is, it’s a popular drink that offers a lot of good, and not so good, flavors. Don’t be so fast to condemn people for what they market, Playable on Death does use some questionable material in their marketing, so do Skillet, and Underoath, that doesn’t necessarily make them non-Christians. And just so we’re clear, the triple claw mark on the can, is an M. For Monster. If you want to attack something, attack Sonic the Hedgehog, which uses three sixes spinning as a loading emblem. Red Bull uses a red horned beast as it’s emblem of choice…yet noone on here bashes Red Bull (in fact it was promoted somewhere above). I’m done, thanks for hearing me out, as I’m sure you won’t automatically judge me a criminal and sinner for speaking out against ignorance, afterall God is the only judge.

  • C. W. Sherman

    Rachel wrote:

    I can see what your saying but how can you be sure its not the ‘nun’(N) symbol as they do look very similar to me?

    You said ‘nun’, I was actually looking more at ‘dalet’, seeing as it puts more emphasis on the arch to the left.

  • C. W. Sherman

    Preacher Paul wrote:

    I’ve been pointing some of these things out to people & people pretty much call me a conspiracy theorist. I believe my Holy Bible. I read it everyday. And now I have my eyes opened to what’s going on in the world (2Cor.4:3-4). I see it like swiss cheese. I visualize a bunch of things having to line up like bunches of swiss cheese holes lining up to prove a problem. What we have here is: 1. the cross in the “O” of the Monster title, 2. the 3 claw marks in the can that are dominating the face of the can that represent a beast of sorts, 3. the 3 marks equaling that of the “Mark of the Beast” 666 from the Holy Bible in the End-Times, 4. The fact that they are written in Hebrew which is the native religion of Israel, 5. With all the signs going on in the world right now, Satan will become bolder with more & more people being deceived, he (Satan) is starting to literally advertise/immunize people to his presence by throwing this on a can for all to see, purchase & drink. 6. My son came home from school last year with his friend & said, “That is ‘BEAST!’” This is something being said in elementary schools! Naturally, we read all of Revelation together & I began explaining the implications of what he said.”

    Seriously? Beast? I didn’t take the time to read the remainder of your comment, it seemed unnecessary given your bias against the English language. If you have an issue with the very word Beast, you might want to take a look at some other things, like the capital punishment your child should probably be subjected to given your reaction to a WORD. I’m aware of what that sounds like, the difference is, your kid didn’t come home and curse you out, and he didn’t come home quoting a Satanic Bible, he said “That’s beast,” slang in the native tongue to describe someone who is good at what they do, my father is a beast programmer, I am a beast data compiler, and a beast writer, Tony Hawk is a beast skateboarder, heck Paul Washer is a beast preacher. That’s dope, son. Killer slang and what-not, homey. I understand if you lecture your child for speaking like a hoodlum, but sitting down and reading the entirety of Revelations to your child and embedding in him the idea that Beast is an ‘evil’ term, that’s…beastly, in its original terminology, animalistic, ugly, cruel? No, not cruel and not ugly, you act of your own perogative, but your perogative is extreme.

  • C. W. Sherman

    Name of the album – Falling Pryamids. Seeing as how the number 9 is significant in the occult, I wouldn’t doubt if their name had some kind of occult meaning.

    In as much as the numbers 6, 7, 8, 12, 13, 21, 73, and 99 all are strong occultic symbols. That’s why so many things are priced at XX.99, why else? If you just make a single number an occultic symbol, and anyone who associates with that number an occultist, you make 90% of America part of your occult. The Almighty forbid I make a club with 9 members, and order 9 T-Shirts, and we call ourselves the Beastly 9.

  • C. W. Sherman

    One final comment, we as humans are separated greatly from our original Christian purpose, we were designed in the image of God, with his likeness in mind. I highly doubt if God would lecture anyone as much as you people do over petty slips and minor deviations in belief.

    “Thou hypocrite, first cast the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast the chip out of thy brother’s eye.” (The King James Version seems to overuse the word “out” so I kind of edited the quote ever so slightly.)

  • C.W. Serman.

    “Minor deviations and belief?” Are you joking. There is no such thing as a minor or major belief. You etiher believe or you don’t.

    Jesus said:

    He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. (Joh 7:38)

    The verse you quoted (Matthew 7:5) has nothing to do with faith or belief. It concerns Christian conduct and the way we live. So how can you tell us to cast the beam out of our eye when you don’t even know us and never observed our conduct and the way we live?

  • A random Canadian

    It’s ironic, I’m drinking a Monster as I read these comments, and while the artwork on the can may or may not resemble occult symbols, it really all boils down to one thing; marketing. They want to make their product look cool so people will buy it. Of course, when people buy their stuff, they make money, and money, according to scripture, is the root of all evil. Going by this logic, Monster is evil, as are all other companies that do any sort of marketing in an attempt to make more money. I’m not a fan of marketers or advertising, and I like to say that they are “evil” sometimes, though whether they are really evil or not, or what “evil” truly is, is debatable…

    I’m fairly neutral on all this. I don’t subscribe to any particular religious beliefs, though I know full well that I could be wrong.

    For now, I will keep sipping my bittersweet can of who knows what that may or may not be “evil”. For those who are really curious, Canadian regulations stipulate that energy drinks mention how much caffeine they contain, and a Canadian formulation, 473ml Monster Energy drink contains 166mg of caffeine, about one and a half strong cups of coffee worth. It packs a punch alright, though it has less caffeine than a 5 Hour Energy shot.

  • SteveWasdelicious

    A random Canadian wrote:

    It’s ironic, I’m drinking a Monster as I read these comments, and while the artwork on the can may or may not resemble occult symbols, it really all boils down to one thing; marketing. They want to make their product look cool so people will buy it. Of course, when people buy their stuff, they make money, and money, according to scripture, is the root of all evil. Going by this logic, Monster is evil, as are all other companies that do any sort of marketing in an attempt to make more money. I’m not a fan of marketers or advertising, and I like to say that they are “evil” sometimes, though whether they are really evil or not, or what “evil” truly is, is debatable…
    I’m fairly neutral on all this. I don’t subscribe to any particular religious beliefs, though I know full well that I could be wrong.
    For now, I will keep sipping my bittersweet can of who knows what that may or may not be “evil”. For those who are really curious, Canadian regulations stipulate that energy drinks mention how much caffeine they contain, and a Canadian formulation, 473ml Monster Energy drink contains 166mg of caffeine, about one and a half strong cups of coffee worth. It packs a punch alright, though it has less caffeine than a 5 Hour Energy shot.

    Just one quick note, scripture does NOT say money is the root of all evil. It does, however say the LOVE of money is the root of all evil. I agree for the most part, and reading this it seems logical, but I don’t want someone believing half your thoughts simply because of a minor mistake in your wording. I do encourage you to investigate the truth about life and its meaning though. Reading most of these comments sickens me, and people need to understand not to attack the people who don’t know the truth. Hate the sin and not the sinner. If a person is ignorant open their eyes… not your mouth x)

  • SteveWasdeliciou,

    How do you propose to open peoples’ eyes without you having to open your mouth?

    I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. (2 Ti 4:1-4)

    You can’t preach the Word and warn people without opening your mouth, can you?

  • http://www.reddit.com/r/atheism/comments/28hjb9/i_was_drinking_a_monster_energy_drink_and_a_lady/

    Thank you sweet jesus for alowing these ppl to enter my life, we are spreading the word of this evil. many atheist of reddit have turned to jesus just from this post. Today we had over 9000 reddit atheist turn from the devil and accept Jesus as our lord and savior. Thank you guys for all your hard work! GOD BLESS U ALL!

  • Shaithias

    Alright guys, let me give you all a little primer on what your scared about- First of all, monster energy is owned by shareholders its stock ticker is MNST. If the ceo realized that his marketing team had done gone made a snafu like your all saying, he would fire em and hire new ones. Now that being said, its a LOGO. Not a sigil, a ritual mark or a binding or anything else. Its bad for business in america to have 666 on your product, because yahoos like you guys start whisper campaigns trying to spread fear that somehow, the ceo of an energy drink corporation is secretly worshiping the devil. I got news for you all. The ceo is hired and fired by shareholders, and you should introduce them to this thread lol.

    Now, even if the designer WAS a satanist, the sigils are in a language that has no meaning. If you wanted to you could write spells in Sumerian on the sides of a can and it would not have an iota of difference in the real world. As an EX magic user I can say that it is also worthless.(and I left because I did a statistical analyses on whether or not my spells were working or not and they plain weren’t, for you die hards out there who still want to believe etc go read what a book of shadows really is, I just kept a very serious one and a log and an excel sheet and I found out it was a load of garbage).

    Anyways, what you guys are claiming is that somehow, monster energy has gotten people to accept the mark of the beast through magic, and by the way, spells, and cantrips and charms are crutches for the real thing. The positive belief people have a much closer tie to the source of power. Belief is a powerful thing, just look at the placebo effect, and much of the power that so called witches and wizards have is in the belief of others in their spells. If I go out and cut a chicken up and draw intelligent looking symbols on your door in the dead of night, of course you will feel “cursed”. If then something bad happens to you, anything for that matter, you as a human will not chalk it up to dumb luck, you will chalk it up to “the curse” and then the ball starts rolling and the curse becomes self fulfilling as fear begins to kill your habits and superstition of things and ways to counter “the curse” take hold.

    In short guys, you have found an honest to goodness artist mistake. You have then used it to somehow take meaning out of where there is no meaning and now congratulations you have decided that monster energy is evil, and that if you drink it, you are going to hell. You all throw the demonic adjective like it was something you had seen before. I have never seen a demon and I tried to summon one at one point. How can you know something is “demonic” without even having experienced a demon? The whole idea of magic having any kind of power belongs in fantasy land, the laws of physics and chemistry reign supreme in this universe. On that note, did you know that carbon has 6 electrons, six protons and six neutrons? It also happens to be what your cells are made of :) is your Hexakosioihexekontahexaphobia kicking in yet?

    PS. If any of you have bonified evidence of a miracle, (video footage of amputated arm being regrown/healed would do quite nicely, its something that cannot be faked) Before and after pictures with some sort of date proof, or something else that cannot be explained away as a trick of the eye, a complicated switch, or stage magic, I want to know. I Have been searching for something more than the laws of physics, but I have yet to find it, despite trying out multiple religions and having spent an inordinate amount of time becoming a “master” in martial arts. And yet, no power. Show me the power, and I will believe.

  • Chet Ripley

    A newly discovered fragment of the oldest surviving copy of the New Testament indicates that, as far as the Antichrist goes, theologians, scholars, heavy metal groups, and television evangelists have got the wrong number. Instead of 666, it’s actually the far less ominous 616.
    The new fragment from the Book of Revelation, written in ancient Greek and dating from the late third century, is part of a hoard of previously unintelligible manuscripts discovered in historic dumps outside Oxyrhynchus in Egypt. Now a team of expert classicists, using new photographic techniques, are finally deciphering the original writing.

    Professor David Parker, Professor of New Testament Textual Criticism and Paleography at the University of Birmingham, thinks that 616, although less memorable than 666, is the original. He said: “This is an example of gematria, where numbers are based on the numerical values of letters in people’s names. Early Christians would use numbers to hide the identity of people who they were attacking: 616 refers to the Emperor Caligula.”

    The Book of Revelation is traditionally considered to be written by John, a disciple of Jesus; it identifies 666 as the mark of the Antichrist. In America, the fundamentalist Christian right often use the number in sermons about the coming Apocalypse.

    They and satanists responded coolly to the new “Revelation”. Peter Gilmore, High Priest of the Church of Satan, based in New York, said: “By using 666 we’re using something that the Christians fear. Mind you, if they do switch to 616 being the number of the beast then we’ll start using that.”

  • Just Wondering...

    if you do a little research, you will notice that six hundred and sixty six (the devil’s number is not, in fact, three isolated 6′s) is equivalent to “Tav Resh Samech Vav” which looks like ת״רסו (right to left, keep in mind). As mentioned, Hebrew numbers work a lot like Roman Numerals. 666 is not VIVIVI.

  • Free Thinker

    I need to ask. If you guys are 100% serious and believe that this is somehow a dangerous signal of an invisibible, undetectable, entirely unperceivable divine evil being… Why are you so obsessed with it? Do you think that cleansing yourself from these supposed “occult” and “satanist” symbols is really doing any good in the world? You all sound completely crazy, and here’s why. You’re missing the point. Jesus came to love people and forgive them for their sins. Provided you believe that Jesus performed miracles, rose from the dead, and was the son of God, I should imagine that the most important goal in your life would be to help those that are in need and care for the people that need love and comfort as Jesus did.

    Not sit around deciding weather a cleverly designed claw mark on a can is a satanic symbol.

    Think about your priorities people. If you’re so concerned about everyone going to hell, then go out and love people like there’s no tomorrow.

    And if you think that somehow your answers to life are more correct than others’, you must either be radically selfish or the luckiest person on the planet.

  • Not Magic

    Or…. Maybe….. Just stay with me here, maybe… its just an energy drink. Americans are funny. Ironically Obsessed with a book without every picking up another. What does it say about being fat in the bible? It must say it’s compulsory, I’m sure of it.

  • JDF

    So let me get this right.

    you’re not upset that a woman walked past you on the street and judged you (Judge not lest ye be judged!)

    you’re upset that a fizzy drink has the claw marks that look like a hebrew letter, which when turned to a number equal 666?! That is tenuous to the extreme (And also ignoring the fact that in Judaism their is no Hell or Satan, that’s a christian concept)

  • Snowmobile

    …so, instead of recognizing the claws are actually shaped like the letter M for Monster – make an insane accusation on an energy beverage and draw attention to assumed devil worship?

    I suppose I could say the same thing about page 111 in the bible, since 111 looks an awfully lot like 666 in Hebrew…

  • andy

    Wow, if people lack the critical thinking skills to realize that stuff like this just doesn’t matter (or is purposefully made by others to cause YOU stress), then you have far more problems than possession.

  • Z

    This is a joke right? You guys can’t possibly be serious.

  • Sam

    This is really dumb. If it is “evil” then you are making it so by reading in to it. I do not believe anymore for reasons like this. That “true” christians act like this. If you want to see an abomination, listen to yourselves. You know what I was told the other day? Faith in god cannot be explained it must just be accepted. By this thinking, every single one of you are hypocrites. Because science has proven many things all of which can be accepted on truth, but you all deem that false to believe your (in your own words) unprovable stories. It’s sickening to think that you believe monster energy drinks are a cult when clearly you are the only true cult. For the record, I don’t like energy drinks, but I did pay for lunch yesterday that was $6.66…I guess that makes me Satan right?

  • Troy

    Okay. I normally don’t post on things like this, but right now I feel like I have to. I have no doubt this comment will be deleted. I read through the comments section and found that every post that seemed to have a contradictory statement had been removed. But, here goes.

    I was raised by Christian parents. Identified as Christian for a long time yet have lost my faith in religion but not my faith in a higher power. But I’m also a rational human being. Looking at a logo and assuming that the creators are intentionally marketing it as a “satanic” beverage is ludicrous. By the “logic” you have presented the word beast can only refer to satan. Is not a wild animal a beast? The monster energy drink is exactly what it is. An energy drink. The logo is three claws having ripped through metal. Thicker at the top and thinner at the bottom because, hear me out here, the claws fully puncture the metal at the first strike and remove them selves as they rake down. It’s not some hidden message of 666. It’s a logo. If you as a person feel uneasy about it that’s fine. Don’t drink it. But don’t go preaching to other people how bad it is because of unfounded speculation. Which is what this “article” is. There is no basis in fact here. You saw something you didn’t like, made an assumption, and posted about it. Do us all a favour next time and do research outside of the bible. It may have answers, but it doesn’t have all of them. That’s what Google is for.

  • John

    Burning Lamp wrote:

    If I got this I missed it. It is truly SCARY that all the little kids who play their Pokemon and video games are being GROOMED to enter this gateway to hell.
    Satan wants to devour our young and he will do it any way he can.

    Stop. The delusion in this thread is deplorable. The creators of Monster did not have “666″ in mind when they made this drink. It IS supposed to be an “M”. It’s like every religious person want’s to find something in exactly nothing. And either way, even if it somehow is supposed to be a term for “666″, I doubt ANYONE is going to hell because of a stupid soft drink. Lighten up you plebian. A soft drink isn’t evil. And they’re not “tricking” you into owning the words. IT’S JUST THREE NUMBERS EITHER WAY YOU FANATICS.

  • Jim Clements

    Jake Wells wrote:

    If you also notice the logo looks like three nails which were used obviously to crucify our Lord Jesus . One of Satan’s titles is “the nail”.

    But, I thought it was a good thing that Christ was crucified? If he hadn’t have died on the cross, we wouldn’t be forgiven of our sins and the everlasting love of God wouldn’t be known to humans.

  • Surely Skeptical

    You guys can’t be serious. This is the awful type of rhetoric that people start to believe in for no good reason. Take the time and look, it BARELY holds resemblance to that character in question. By your logic, the number 111 is evil. Heck, why not three exclamation points at the end of a sentence!!! If you take a look at how animal claws puncture then tear, it typically starts with a deep point and pulls down to a thinner slice. You’re connecting dots that don’t exist. You cannot follow people like this and leave logic to the side because they’re dangerous. I weep for you all.

  • Burning Lamp wrote:

    If I got this I missed it. It is truly SCARY that all the little kids who play their Pokemon and video games are being GROOMED to enter this gateway to hell.

    Satan wants to devour our young and he will do it any way he can.

    Yes, Pokemon and video games are the gateway to hell, not the genocide , rape, and torture that is happening around the world. Nope, the video games of course you nailed it down. I believe there is a quote in the bible about video ga… oh wait they were not invented until a few years ago. shucks.

  • CommonSense

    Unfortunately, no one on here who reads this will listen to me but have you thought of the possibility that the drink is called Monster Energy to drive home the fact it will give you energy? Or that the slogan “Unleash the Beast” pertains to the fact that it is Monster? Or that the logo is supposed to be as if a monster was clawing through the can and NOT AT ALL demonic symbolism? You people read way too far into pop culture trying to find the “cause” of the worlds problems and why your children aren’t “accepting Jesus” and what have you. Maybe if you paid attention to what was really going on (for example, the fact that religious differences have caused more death and crimes against humanity than anything else in HISTORY) and spent your time really putting to use the lessons your gospel teaches (like, oh I don’t know, TOLERANCE) the world may start to take a turn for the better.

  • Troy,

    And I suppose you just love Harry Potter as well.

  • Kevin Estrada

    I don’t care much about Monster or any Monster from a book, unless its a cool cover to one of my favorite bands. I strongly recommend not to drink Monster & other energy drinks for Health Purposes, it is the fastest drink increasing chances of developing kidney stones. If your scared of “HELL” Kidney stones hurt like “HELL” Drink water, Ginseng Root, kiwi’s are natural energy boosters that Mother Earth (GOD) provides :)

    I hope this does not offend anyone. I have Christian, Catholic, & Jewish in my family. I respect all of there beliefs and they respect and love me. Please love the world & everyone in it. Life is a beautiful thing.

  • CommonSense

    A random Canadian wrote:

    It’s ironic, I’m drinking a Monster as I read these comments, and while the artwork on the can may or may not resemble occult symbols, it really all boils down to one thing; marketing. They want to make their product look cool so people will buy it. Of course, when people buy their stuff, they make money, and money, according to scripture, is the root of all evil. Going by this logic, Monster is evil, as are all other companies that do any sort of marketing in an attempt to make more money. I’m not a fan of marketers or advertising, and I like to say that they are “evil” sometimes, though whether they are really evil or not, or what “evil” truly is, is debatable…

    Kind of funny when the church is one of the wealthiest institutions in the world. Oh, and then continue asking for “donations”.

  • The Beast

    If your dogma has you paranoid about the artwork on an aluminum can and its contents literally guiding consumers to Hell, then I suggest you get a new dogma. Yours is about 2000 years out-dated.

  • Sam,

    The Bible says there will be mockers in the last days. (Jude 1:18)

  • Your name fits you like a glove “dumbass.”

  • Kevin Estrada,

    Eternal life is even better. Do you have it?

  • Billy Bongwater

    Preacher Paul wrote:

    Last year my son came home from public school & had a friend over & I heard him tell his friend that was “Beast”. I called him over & asked the meaning, because we 45 year olds are out of touch. It is the new “Cool”. He knows CHRISTianity already, but I’ve still missed some things. So this triggered me into having him read the book of Revelation over the next couple of weeks. However, I told him immediately he wasn’t to use this term in this fashion. Satan’s greatest lie has been to persuade the world that he doesn’t exist & then to get them to believe that God doesn’t exist, either. If you go around using “Beast” for “Cool”, then you will think that Satan is “Cool” when he finally comes out of his closet as the “Beast”. He seen my point. Especially when I pointed out the fact that if you use a swiss cheese chart & line up all the holes for “Monster” Energy drink, the Hebrew #6, Unleash the Beast, that there is no coincidence here. The demonic forces are preparing for a massive offensive & are using everything that they can bring to bear to persuade people or to desensitize people to the “Beast” coming on the scene. If you want me to use the movies: “Sea Turtles, Mate”. Keep getting yourselves acclimatized. Soon, you’ll be trapped & wrapped around Satan’s little finger like a fly in a spiderweb. You’ll get caught on the Road To Abilene. Just like the movie: The Children’s Hour with Audrey Hepburn & James Garner. A lie can go a long way & there is only 1 I know of that can get optimum mileage out of a lie & that’s Satan. Believe what you want, But As For Me & My Household, We Will Serve The Lord. If any others out there want to know how to be saved, you can look at Romans 10:9-13 – “9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
    12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. 13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.” Have a great day, & for God’s sake, quit supporting islam. That’s Satanic all in itself.

    Wow… Just wow.

  • CommonSense,

    You obviously don’t know much about true religion. Had you known you would not have put them under one umbrella.

  • Surely Skeptical,

    The number 666 in itself is not evil. It is the person (Antichrist) who will force everyone to take his number (666) that makes it evil. Surely you at least ought to know that?

  • John,

    I don;t expect you to understand because the natural man (unsaved) does not understand the things of God.

  • Z,

    Yes, the God of the Bible is very serious and wants you to repent.

  • Andy,

    I can see you don’t read your Bible. Do you have one?

  • Just Wondering,

    Stop wondering (and wandering) down a path that leads to destruction. Get a Bible and read it.

  • CommonSense

    Thomas Lessing,

    If you’re going to try and disprove people, you should really try to prove why you think you’re right instead of just saying “you’re wrong” and leaving it at that. It’s that “you’re wrong, just accept what I’m telling you” state of mind that will ruin you. Blind faith is just that – BLIND. Show people how you’re right and you may start to make progress.

  • Nietzsche

    Bunch of crazy Christian people here. Nothing new.

  • Free Thinker,

    You ought to know your Bible but seemingly you don’t. What you don’t seem to understand is that God’s enemies are desensitizing the youth to accept Antichrist’s number (666) when he appears on the world scene. You say you are a Christian. Will you encourage people to take the mark when the Bible clearly says:

    And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb.
    (Rev 14:9-10)

    If you don’t warn them, their blood will be on your hands on the day of judgment.

  • Not Magic,

    And so is Antichrist just a silly ogre. Surprise, surprise

  • Snowmobile,

    I suppose you would say hell looks a lot like hello. So why worry?

  • Z,

    If Antichrist, his number and his atrocities are but a joke to you, then you need to be certified and as soon as possible.

  • CommonSense,

    It is CommonSense that the Bible never teaches blind faith. My faith is based on facts and promises in the Bible.

    Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father’s house: For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead. (Luke 16:27-31)

    I can assure you there are many people in hell right now who would love to warn you about the impending torment in hell if you do not repent. But then again, Abraham was right when he said: ” If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.”

  • Nietzche,

    These bunch of crazy Christian people would like to see you repent and receive Jesus as your Saviour. Why? Because God has no pleasure in the death of the wicked.

  • The Beast,

    No my friend, we are not paranoid about an aluminum can and its contents. It proves that you have already been brainwashed into thinking that Antichrist and his number 666 is a new dogma. You;d better wake up before it’s too late.

  • CommonSense,

    Your comments mirror you ignorance. The true church (body of Christ) is not wealthy at all. You are referring to the Roman Catholic Church.

  • Jeff

    LMFAO. People believe the craziest things.

  • You guys are idiots

    You guys are idiots. There is no demonds, satan or any of that stupid bullshit.

    It was made up by people who’s IQ is higher then yours to keep your stupid asses in line. And of course it works.

    Let’s look at some facts.

    1) The bibe is a translation of a translation of a translation written by a bunch of primitive men. And you take that for word value. With all its hatred for women, approval of slavery, genocide, murder, torture etc etc

    2) Your god hates Africa and the middle east. Why? Oh that’s right cause you don’t live there.

    3) This article is just stupid. I can come up with why the McDonalds archers are really satanic or why the fucking Iphone is satanic if I really tried. It’s not that hard. When people are gullible and will belive anything it’s not that hard.

  • Derk Truk

    Robbie wrote:

    Peirce,

    Satan also believes in God.

    The Bible also clearly forbids making cuttings and markings on your body…
    Lev 19:28 Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD.

    http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/11/30/to-tattoo-or-not-too-tattoo-that-is-the-biblical-question/

    Yeah, and that is also old testament which I thought was to be largely disregarded or should we also be sending disobedient children to the city gates to be murdered?

  • Paul

    Janel Jackson wrote:

    Hi Elaine,
    Nice post! Great to know there are people out there that realize what you said :) I would love if you would email me [email removed for SPAM purposes]……I may be slow to answer I have 3 little girls and they keep me busy :)
    Elaine wrote:
    Yes, I’m sure they did know what were doing, too. It’s been interesting to read how important symbols are to the occult. Symbols are the language of the occult. They’re used to communicate messages. Not only that, but according to Foster Bailey and Manley Hall, prominent luciferians, symbols have the potential for incredible power. I have a relative who has runes tattooed on her arms to give her power and protection. She is a Wiccan.
    When I see so-called Christian bands use satanic symbolism, well that tells me all I need to know. Some have more occult symbolism than heavy metal bands from the 80s! (which I used to be in to in the 80s.) My husband was listening to P.O.D. the other day. He’s not a Christian. I talk to him about occult symbolsim and he thinks I’m crazy. Anyway, I said that years ago P.O.D., a Christian band, had their albums banned by some Chrisitan bookstores because of the occult symbolism on their albums. He said, “They are NOT a Christian band!” Intereting that Christians will believe bands are Christian despite the evidence, but a non-Chrisitan can see it. I told a friend that Sonny Sandoval from P.O.D. is now in The Whosoevers (she loves them) and they have even more occult symbolism on their website than P.O.D. used to have on their albums! But I bet Christian bookstores, being like they are today, would not ban them. Anyway, my friend won’t question the occult symbols because she says that they give glory to Jesus!! But I think most false teachers do that. I am amazed at the soaking of the occult on our society and it is embraced – like people are under some kind of spell. Christians love Harry Potter. I don’t get it. It boggles my mind. The church I left 6 months ago has rap and heavy metal concerts. One of the last bands to play there was the Silent Nine. Oh my goodness. The lyrics are so dark. There’s no glorifying God in thier songs at all. I checked out their website. The closest it came was saying something like: People looking up in the sky in confusion looking for their savior to return.
    Name of the album – Falling Pryamids. Seeing as how the number 9 is significant in the occult, I wouldn’t doubt if their name had some kind of occult meaning.
    Thank you for your site. I don’t feel so alone in my sticking to what the Bible says. Believing that Jesus meant what He said. God meant what he said when he told us to stay away from socery, divination, necromancy – every kind of witchcraft.
    I read a post where someone accused you of not speaking in love in exposing false teaching. You ARE speaking in love. Please keep up the good work. I’ve been accused of using unChristian and unloving tactics in pointing out things I believed were wrong. I was told in Revelation 22 we aren’t to dwell on the sins of others, that research is unproductive, etc.
    Thanks again for your site.

    [EDITED by DTW - Hi Janel, I removed your email for SPAM reasons, if Elaine wants to email you she can reply here via comment and I will email her your address]

    Just wondering, my son is in a band and it’s called The Sixes and Nines. Is that satanic? What would be safe numbers to use– he’s a good god fearing young man and I want his soul safe.

  • UsingMyBrain

    Thomas Lessing (Watch and Pray / Waak en Bid) wrote:

    Z,

    Yes, the God of the Bible is very serious and wants you to repent.

    But what about all of the other gods…from all of the other books??!!! How do we know which ones are ‘real?’

  • Derk Truk

    Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:

    merijin

    Well strange things do happen, and I do believe the makers of this drink are definitely NOT Christian and definitely went out of their way to market their product with an evil connotation, and attached the numbers 666 to it, hiding it behind their logo.

    I get so many comments on this article that I delete of people swearing at me big time and cursing Christians it’s not even funny. I won’t take this article down because the more they comment and swear at me and curse me the more I know this product is evil. The rate of people out there that hates Christianity is increasing more and more by the second.

    No, you do not know what belief’s these people have and all you can, and are, do is assume unless you claim to be omniscient. Though that would seem quite sacrilege to me so I wouldn’t claim to DEFINITELY know anything about them or their agendas unless you know them intimately. Your argument that the symbol is 666 isn’t even good as the symbols in the logo and the hebrew symbols do not look alike. They look like what they are, which is an M that also looks like a claw because it’s called Monster. It seems very like a case of someone wanting to see something where it clearly is not.

    You know this product is evil given the simple fact that people have sent you nasty comments? Really? I can’t speak for these people or their comments, but to say the product is evil for that reason is beyond ridiculous. Now, I have nothing against you or your beliefs and your right to practice them, but it annoys me to no end to see ignorance spread because someone does not know what they are talking about.

  • Ant

    I can’t tell if this is supposed to be serious or if this site is an Onion-like parody source. I get the feeling that the comments are 100% real, which simply paints Christians as deluded, paranoid and utterly insane. And they wonder why sane, normal people aren’t swallowing their superstition. I wish everyone could read this… Christians are their own worst enemy!

  • That guy

    The Beast wrote:

    If your dogma has you paranoid about the artwork on an aluminum can and its contents literally guiding consumers to Hell, then I suggest you get a new dogma. Yours is about 2000 years out-dated.

    These are my thoughts exactly.

  • Derk Truk

    Preacher Paul wrote:

    I agree that islam will be one of the final religions that will persecute against the Jews & CHRISTians. I find it highly interesting that the Book of Revelation says that there were those who were beheaded for their faith in Jesus Christ. islam says that they’re to behead us. A book to read that compares CHRISTianity & islam is: The islamic anti-christ by Joel Richardson.

    What a laugh. Talking Muslims persecuting Christians what with the long history of Christians doing exactly that to followers of Islam, Judaism and even Christianity.

  • Free Thinker

    Thomas Lessing (Watch and Pray / Waak en Bid,

    I’m not a Christian because I don’t believe that Jesus was the son of God. I understand the Bible as an objective piece of literature.

    You should be less concerned with speculating the motives of an energy drink marketing team than you should be with following your Jesus’ teachings of love and compassion. Go out and love people, don’t sit on your computer telling everyone they’re going to hell.

  • Steve

    Thomas Lessing (Watch and Pray / Waak en Bid) wrote:

    CommonSense,

    It is CommonSense that the Bible never teaches blind faith. My faith is based on facts and promises in the Bible.

    Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father’s house: For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead. (Luke 16:27-31)

    I can assure you there are many people in hell right now who would love to warn you about the impending torment in hell if you do not repent. But then again, Abraham was right when he said: ” If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.”

    It is comments like these that make me an atheist. I am a good person. I help who I can when I can. I don’t judge people because I dislike being judged myself. Yes I have sinned, nothing serious but it has happened. As I am sure all people do at one point or another.

    What bothers me most is the fact that according to the bible I will go to hell JUST because I don’t “repent” or worship God? If that is how God really is, then he doesn’t seem very just to me.

    Also you say people who are in hell would love to warn people? Well the fact they are spending an eternity in Hell for what is most likely something petty like not repenting after steeling a candy bar is just plain ridiculous! To me that is not someone I wish to worship. Even I think that is wrong, does that make me more kind and just than God himself?

  • Timothy

    It’s sad that there are people that think like this. Grow up, there is no “Satan”, and if there were, I don’t think he’d be hiding in our energy drinks.

  • Roan

    Here’s a really great idea. Disprove us without using the bible. Use facts. If you want to impress us atheists with your religion then let me tell you that we consider reading the bible as an invalid method of research (unless you are looking for good examples of contradictions and brutalities.) and “I feel it inside me.” and “Because I have faith.” are not valid conclusions.

  • Jim

    Thomas Lessing (Watch and Pray / Waak en Bid) wrote:

    CommonSense,

    It is CommonSense that the Bible never teaches blind faith. My faith is based on facts and promises in the Bible.

    A book created by man. A fallible creature. Honestly, counting on people to tell the truth (especially if the “enlightener” stands to gain a measure of control/power from the untruth) is like betting on green at the roulette table. Is it not plausible that at some point someone may have fudged things? Is it not plausible that someone might just “run with it” if they convinced people they were a prophet? We are aware of cults, this is not a massive leap of logic/CommonSense.

    There is, however, the patent “leap of faith” that the bible is the word of god untainted. To say someone lacks common sense to not believe that a book created hundreds of years ago is a completely factual unedited book of absolute truth is a little bit of a stretch.

    Think about all the modern myths that are out there, Those “10 things you though were true” links that tell us stuff like bats are not actually blind (crazy right?! those liars!). Word gets around and is not at all required to be in anyway truthful.

    Do you not recall at any point defending something, only to later learn that you were wrong? Yo. Eff the internet for ending those debates. Got egg on my face over the pronunciation of Pho a little while back (I thought, fairly racistly , I had it licked because it was introduced to me by a Korean; he had to know the right pronunciation right?!? He’s from Asia! He knows these things! WRONG! Two lessons learned that day).

    The thing is, people do that all the time. However, some people will not acquiesce to the introduction of new information. This happens. This is a thing. Some people will just argue a point regardless of the truthieness or the introduction of facts. Some of these people can talk, or write, and existed in the past. There is a chance your good book is not filled with truths. To question it is the same common sense that should stop you from sending money to Nigerian princes (If you have in fact sent account info to one you need to talk to your bank IMMEDIATELY they are terrible with investments).

    TL;DR: The bible is old enough and edited enough that we can’t say for certain that its true. To question its content is common sense. To quote it as fact when denouncing another for not using common sense is hypocritical.

  • Dan

    CommonSense wrote:

    “Blind faith is just that – BLIND. Show people how you’re right and you may start to make progress.”

    @CommonSense In Isaiah 46 God says to Israel: I will prove to you that I’m God by telling you what will happen BEFORE it happens. When it happens you will have to acknowledge that I’m God and that my word is true. Israel’s entire history as well as the political, economic and religious future of the world – are foretold thousands of years ago. King David wrote, that Jesus will be crucified – 500 years before crucifixion was invented as a means of execution. Here are some more examples:

    The first promise to Israel was made to Abraham:
    “And I will make an everlasting covenant between Me and you, and will multiply you exceedingly….you shall be a father of many nations…….kings shall come from you. Also I give to you and your descendants after you all the land of Canaan (Israel) as an everlasting possession; and I will be your God.” Prophecy: Genesis 17:1 – 6 (Written: around 1400 BC)

    Losing the land:
    God says He is a jealous God. This does not refer to the jealousy between people. This refers to the fact that He is the one that brought them out of slavery (Egypt) therefore he deserves the glory for that. No other false god does. God said if they honor false gods for what He has done for them, they will lose the land and they will be scattered over the world. Prophecy: Lev 26: 1 – 33 (Written: between 1440 and 1400 BC)

    Anti – Semitism is foretold in the Bible: While being scattered they will be hated and persecuted like no other nation on earth. Prophecy: (Lev 26:33) (Deut 28:37) (Written: about 1400 BC)

    “(The Jews) will not cease to be a nation”: After the Roman invasion (first in 70 AD – final destruction in 132 AD) the Jews had nowhere to go. They started spreading all over the world – for close to 1900 years. With no common culture, no forms of communication, no common language and no home country. Today, the Jewish nation is the only surviving nation of the ancient tribes. Hebrew is the only ancient language in the world – that has been revived after hundreds of years. Prophecy: Jer 31: 35+36 (Written: between 700 – 600 BC)

    “The Land will be desolate”: God told his people that when they leave the land, the land will become desolate. Mark Twain visited Israel in 1850. He wrote about what he saw in Innocents Abroad “A desolate country whose soil is rich enough, but is given over wholly to weeds…a silent mournful expanse…a desolation…. We hardly saw another human being on the whole route….hardly a tree or scrub anywhere. Even the olive tree and the cactus, those fast friends of a worthless soil, had almost deserted the country.”Prophecy: Lev 26:32 + 33 (Written: about 1400 BC)

    They will one day be restored to the land: “The Nations of the World will help God’s people return to their land” (Isaiah 14:2). United Nations Resolution 181 (from 1947) describes the plan to partition the land so that the Jews can return. Prophecy: Isaiah 14:2 – Written: 800 BC (Fulfilled: 1947 – 1948)

    “The Nation will be born in one day”: The British Mandate for Palestine ended at midnight on May 14, 1948. The next day, in a public ceremony the Declaration of Independence was made. Within 24 hours, Israel was an independent nation again. Both superpower leaders, U.S. President Harry Truman and Soviet leader Joseph Stalin immediately recognized it as an independent nation. Prophecy: Isaiah 66:8 – Written: 800 BC (Fulfilled: May 14, 1948)

    “The land will blossom”: After the Jews returned to the land, the land will flourish again. (Ezek 36:8) Today the difference in landscape between Israel and her neighbors is visible from space. Isaiah 27:6 says “Israel will one day blossom and fill the world with fruit.” Israel is the 3rd largest producer of fruit in the world. Prophecy: Ezekiel 36:8 (Written: 593 – 571 BC)

    Third World War: God says: “I will gather all nations and bring them down to the Valley of Jehoshaphat (next to Jerusalem); and I will enter into judgment with them there because they have scattered my people and divided up my land.” You have to understand that God’s integrity is linked to the Jewish people and the land He gave them. God says on that day he WILL intervene and he WILL help his people. “(On this day) I will magnify myself …I will be known in the eyes of the nations. They shall know that I am God.” (Ezek 38:23). Never been fulfilled before, clearly a prophecy for our time. Prophecy: Joel 3:2 (Unfulfilled)

    Bible prophecy forms the foundation of why Christians believe in God. Faith in God is built on the proof that the Bible is true, therefore God is real. God says to Israel and the Jews: “You are my witnesses to yourselves and to the world – that I am God” (Isaiah 43: 1;10) In fact nowhere in the bible does it say: “You should just take it by faith”. Prophecy makes up about 30% of the Bible. Israel is God’s clock to the nations. The Jews have depended on these prophecies for centuries. One prophecy follows the other into fulfillment. If one of them is wrong, all of them are wrong. If Jesus did not fulfill ALL the prophecies about Him, then he isn’t who said he is. But if He did, then consider taking a closer look. God bless.

  • Jim,

    And I suppose you also believe there is no God or at least that you do not know there is a God. If there is a God, then He cannot be a liar. A God who lies is no God at all. In fact there is a false god who lies. His name is Satan who is the father of all lies and a murderer from the very beginning. He is the one who is whispering in you ear that the Bible is not the truth and cannot be trusted. His aim is to murder you and drag you to hell with him. The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, on the other hand wants to save you because he has no pleasure in the death of the wicked. I urge you to repent and to believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

  • Timothy,

    Surprise, surprise. Wake up before it’s too late.

  • Roan,

    Who said we want to impress Atheists? I can assure you there are many people in hell right this moment who would like to warn you against such a horrendous place but even though one of them were allowed to return to earth to warn you, you would still not believe because you hate God.

  • Steve,

    You must be a very weak atheist to believe that a mere blog comment can make you an atheist. No, my friend you are an atheist because you have a God-given capacity (it is called free-will) to either receive or reject Jesus Christ as your Saviour. You are an atheist because you have decided to reject God, his Son and his Word. Don’t blame me when you are to blame yourself.

    You are a good person? Really??? Then you must be God because He alone is good.

    You don’t judge people but you have the audacity to judge God and his Word. That’s even worse than judging people.

    How do you know you are a sinner? Did someone else tell you or did you yourself come to this horrendous conclusion? I don’t think so because Jesus said:

    Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send Him unto you. And when He is come, He will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: Of sin, because they believe not on me; Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more; Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged. (John 16:7-11).

    God does not send people to hell for doing something petty. He sends them to hell because they count themselves unworthy to go to heaven.

  • Free Thinker

    Having admitted that you don’t believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God explains why you cannot see the difference between good and evil. You do not believe in Him but you do believe his teaching on love and compassion? How does that work for you?

  • Derk Truk

    It is obvious that you do not know your history, let alone what true Christianity is. Your accusation that Christians have done the same things as Islam is unfounded. You are referring to the Crusades by the Roman Catholic Church and not true Christians. The RCC is not a Christian church.

  • Ant,

    You are so right to say that the number 666, the number of the Beast (Antichrist) is just an onion-like parody. Like the peeling of onions effect your sight, so too your sight is blurred even to the extent where you are willing to take the mark of the beast.

    And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. (Revelation 14:9-11)

  • UsingMyBrain

    Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me, Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure. (Isaiah 46:9-10).

    Although you deny it, you know who the real God is.

    For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, . . . ((Rom 1:18-22)

  • Paul,

    Just wondering, my son is in a band and it’s called The Sixes and Nines. Is that satanic? What would be safe numbers to use– he’s a good god fearing young man and I want his soul safe.

    You should know that the Bible does not make mention of a number called sixes and nines, but it does the number 666 which is the number of Antichrist.

  • You guys are idiots,

    Your foul mouthed language alone proves there is a devil and demons.

  • Shaithias,

    In the long run you will be shown what hell is like and then it would be too late for you.

  • Chet Ripley,

    You remind me of the guy who excavated a site and dug up an old vase which he believed was the oldest ever to be found. He dug a little deeper and found a Coca Cola bottle. Don’t believe those guys who tell you they have found the oldest surviving artefacts of some kind. The Bible does not mention the number 616 but a distinct 666. Either you believe it or don’t.

  • Jeff,

    Even if Antichrist were to stand right in front of you and demand that you take his number 666, you will still say “People believe the craziest things. Why? Because you are in rebellion against God and need to repent.

  • Bonation

    I just can not believe that people actually take this post seriously. NExt thing you know, they will start believing in talking snakes, man made from clay, woman made from rib…. oh wait, they do believe that too.

    I’m so glad christianity is fading with every new generation. LEss people are willing to believe in the worlds first comic book (bible). So yeah, there’s still hope for a peaceful world.

  • Wtfdidijustsee

    Wtf is wrong with you? it’s just a drink!

  • Bonation,

    Yep, the peace you are referring to will be a false peace of the Antichrist and you WILL take his mark (666) if you fail to repent and believe the Gospel.

  • Wtfdidijustsee,

    Yes, and the devil is just an angel masquerading as an angel of light.

  • missing

    Are we not supposed to find GOD in all things? If we search for the devil we will surely find him everywhere. We should be searching and sharing where we find GOD, not the fallen one. Please retrain your brain to find GOD. May GOD Bless You All.

  • Free Thinker

    Thomas Lessing,

    Your statement makes absolutely no sense. He’s a teacher who taught about love and compassion, that of which I entirely support, embrace and live by, even if I don’t believe he is the son of God. I can take knowledge from the teachings of Ghandi and not be a Buddhist, and I certainly do because every teacher of peace has a bounty of lessons to learn from.

    You cannot claim that only Christians can see the difference between good and evil. You absolutely cannot claim that, you have no basis for a statement like that, only a sheltered worldview. If you think that your answers to life are any more legitimate than someone else’s, you are being incredibly selfish and stupidly obstinate.

  • Free Thinker

    Jesus Christ said: “Without Me you can do nothing.” So, how can you say you are full of love and compassion when you deny Him? You have a warped idea about love and compassion. Your kind of love and compassion is the kind that says “Am I my brother’s (fellowman’s) keeper. Let him do as he pleases, even though it may lead to his destruction.”

  • missing,

    You should definitely NOT try to find God in everything. The God of the Bible is NOT a panentheistic kind of God. That’s why it is written, “Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.”God is NOT in everyone, let alone everything. And that’s precisely why most of the people who write comments in favor of the monster drink do so because they don’t have God’s Spirit dwelling in them. Jesus Himself said, “You are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not abide in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks out of his own character: because he is a liar, and the father of it.”

  • Derek Truk,

    Yeah, and that is also old testament which I thought was to be largely disregarded or should we also be sending disobedient children to the city gates to be murdered?

    The punishment for today’s disobedient children are merely being postponed. The God of the bible who is the only true God has the right to judge the disobedient. He does not murder anyone. He merely allows them to run the the full course of their own rebellion and disobedience to hell, Unless, of course, they repent and start to believe the Gospel.

  • Free Thinker

    Thomas Lessing,

    It all depends on your worldview. I view Jesus as a teacher who taught compassion and love where there was very little 2000 years ago. You view him as the savior of the world. My idea of love and compassion is not dependent on whether I believe the rest of what Jesus said about “Without Me you can do nothing” or if he is truly the son of God, or if he even did rise from the dead according to the apostles. I would have to trust all that were true to believe the conditional idea of love and compassion you are talking about.

    Instead, I do not, and because of that I have an unadulterated idea of love and compassion because it is not based upon the bible, but upon the upbringing of humanity.

    I don’t view the bible as the ultimate guide to life, but as a book with great wisdom written by wise men. The basis for its foundation, upon the Trinity, is something supernatural I can neither confirm nor deny, and therefore makes my view of the bible an entirely subjective interpretation of the lessons presented.

    So no, I don’t have a warped view. It’s just not based on the same thing your view is.

  • Sarah

    Just a question: If the idea behind Christianity is “believe and you’ll be saved”, then does it even matter what, exactly, you believe in? As long as you recognize that there is one God who created everything. If that’s not true, then how many people die every day with absolutely no chance to be saved? It’s physically impossible for everyone to know exactly what the Bible says. Even with how widespread the Book is, not every person in the world will get a chance to read it, or hear about it, or even know that it exists. How is that fair?

  • Jake

    It’s funny to me that you act like the Monster company is out to get us. Lol out his, monster is canning Satan in 16 oz increments! This is so silly, I posted to my Facebook for my friends to get a good laugh. I can’t deprive them of this. The thing is, I’m usually the first one to call a theory feasible (even the really far-fetched ones). But this is a ridiculous piece of writing. You have no evidence to support your theory yet you market it as fact. You are 100% certain this is a deliberate mark of the beast without any bit of proof. Yet you can’t even lay out what the motive would be for them to do so. Just like most ignorant Christians, you apply the bible to situations you see fit and make it work to support your crackpot theories so you can sleep better at night thinking you’re changing the world. You always quote the bible like it’s the end – all authority and is the only support your argument needs. This is why I call most Christians ignorant. If you did some critical thinking and solid research (outside the church) on who wrote the bible and what they stood to gain, maybe you would’nt be so sure it’s the big book of answers, the only answers that could possibly exist. Another trait you exhibit that SCREAMS typical Christian is berating your outside opinions. You’re do afraid people will figure you out for the fake you are that you can’t even allow the opposition’s comments to stay. If you were putting out the truth, you would’nt have to delete opposing arguments. Since its a giant crock, I understand, you have GOT TO make your argument look one sided and completely supportable. It doesn’t take much to dismantle a theory full of holes. So if I was trying to be a fear monger and spread idiocy through weak conclusions, I’d probably delete the stronger, more well thought out arguments too. I’d love to hear what you have to say but I’m sure you’ll just delete my comment but at the very least you’ll read it and remember how you used to have a brain that wasn’t white washed. I implore you to respond. Please prove your theory and maybe even try to do it without quoting the bible. I don’t recognize it as a viable source

  • Jake,

    Your response is so typical of an unsaved person. Why not rather consider to be saved? What I cannot understand is that you shun the gift of eternal life. It’s insane.

    The posts I have deleted are the ones packed with swear words. Foulmouthed persons are not welcome on this site. They usually don’t know how to conduct a debate and must therefore use swear words. They are not only immature but downright filthy with their mouths. So, if you want to comment here, do some solid research on the matter and then come back to comment like a grown-up.

  • Sarah,

    Let’s assume you arrive at a two way junction in a road. The sign on the one says “Beware! Don’t take this road. It leads to a deep precipice from which you can never be rescued if you fall into it.” The other sign on the second road says “This road is safe to travel on.” However, you may be a sceptic and refuse to believe the signs. I happen to come along and you ask me “Which road is the safe one?” I tell you that I have been on the road that leads to the dangerous precipice and hadn’t I turned around in the nick of time I would have fallen into the precipice.

    The Bible is a road map, if you will, that tells you exactly how to enter onto the safe road and how to avoid the dangerous one. You asked “does it even matter what, exactly, you believe in?” Yes, it does, because there are only two opposing entities you may choose to follow – Jesus Christ, the Son of the Living God or Satan who is a liar, a deceiver and a murderer from the very beginning. There is NO middle way. Any person who is in his right mind would NOT want to follow the road on which Satan leads you and that is the eternal abyss of woe and suffering. (Hell means to be eternally separated from God).

    To recognize there is one God who created everything is NOT enough for anyone’s salvation. Even the devil and his demons believe there is one God who created everything. “Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.” (James 2:19).

    But what about those who have never been exposed to the Gospel? Every single person has a chance to be saved, even those who have not been exposed to the Bible. How do I know? Well the Bible tells us “For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.” (Rom 1:18-23).

    Have you noticed the phrase “so that they are without excuse”? As you may know Muslim countries have banned Bibles and Christian churches. Anyone caught with a Bible is beheaded. And yet there are many Muslims who are being saved without ever having read a Bible or visited a church. How are they saved? Surely you must know that the Holy Spirit is the One who convicts the world of sin, righteousness and judgment, of sin because they do not believe on Jesus Christ.” Those Muslims who had been convicted in this way call out to God to reveal Himself to them. And He always reveals Himself to them. How do I know? Well, again the Bible tells us so.

    And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart. (Jeremiah 29:13)

    For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. (Rom 10:13)

    I assume that you have a Bible. Therefore you are in a much more privileged situation than the Muslims in Muslim countries. Are you saved?

  • Free Thinker,

    You are backing the wrong horse, my friend. Humanity has been a failure in its tutorship of love and compassion since the very beginning. You base your view of love and compassion on something that changes everyday. Today they love one another and the next day they make war. I base my view on love and compassion on the ONE who never changes.

  • atheist

    Robbie rote:
    Ok are you telling me that you don’t eat shellfish or wear mixed fabric garments? Do you also stone adulterers in the town square? You don’t? Then why would you hold these other old testament verses in such high regard?

    Peirce,

    Satan also believes in God.

    The Bible also clearly forbids making cuttings and markings on your body…
    Lev 19:28 Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD.

    http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/11/30/to-tattoo-or-not-too-tattoo-that-is-the-biblical-question/

  • Free Thinker

    Thomas Lessing,

    How, though, has humanity been a failure in tutorship of love and compassion? Jesus is not the first person to evidence love and compassion as a concept. Yes, that has been an icon of the faith, but at the same time, the hebrew God was the reason for an absolutely astounding amount of bloodshed in the name of God throughout the old testament. And after all, the Bible is claimed to by written by men “under the influence of the holy spirit”, which by all means could be an entirely universal concept. I don’t believe that humanity has been a failure in regard to teaching love and compassion at all–I believe it’s something innately inside of us all as human beings, but it takes work to realize.

    Think about the bible not as God’s holy word, but as a piece of literature written over thousands of years containing the progression of human nature, for a moment if you will. Just objectively concerning the values and lessons taught in the bible with the absence of God at the epicenter. The lessons taught in the bible are, on a human level, wonderful guidelines to good living. They are not perfect in the eyes of everyone, but there is a LOT of wisdom in the bible.

    I and many others don’t hold the bible as our standard to living (though we borrow its wisdom) because we do not believe the foundations that others do, that in order to believe in its entirety we must trust.

    However, over lots and lots of time, humanity (including those who wrote the bible), has developed a clearer and clearer picture of what is right and what is wrong (though many choose to adhere or not adhere). I don’t believe that the Bible is the only source of knowledge as to what is right and wrong, I believe that concept is influenced by many and all things.

    Also, in reply to your reply to Sarah:

    “And He always reveals Himself to them. How do I know? Well, again the Bible tells us so.”

    What about the tribes of indigenous islanders who have literally been living without external human contact since their creation? Or those born in the North Korean prison camps who also die there?

    If these people have never heard a word about God or Jesus, don’t they burn in hell as well? That’s entirely unfair.

  • Free Thinker wrote:

    Thomas Lessing,

    How, though, has humanity been a failure in tutorship of love and compassion? Jesus is not the first person to evidence love and compassion as a concept. Yes, that has been an icon of the faith, but at the same time, the hebrew God was the reason for an absolutely astounding amount of bloodshed in the name of God throughout the old testament. And after all, the Bible is claimed to by written by men “under the influence of the holy spirit”, which by all means could be an entirely universal concept. I don’t believe that humanity has been a failure in regard to teaching love and compassion at all–I believe it’s something innately inside of us all as human beings, but it takes work to realize.

    I am pleased to see you are beginning to think instead of blurting out your emotions in words that are not fit for a person who knows how to love and show compassion.

    You are right in saying that the capacity to love and show compassion is innately in every human being. Where does it come from – evolution? I don’t think so. If not, then a Being who is infinitely more superior and powerful than we can imagine, created mankind with a free-will which, of course, includes the capacity to love and show compassion. It is this infinitely powerful and holy Being, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob whom you accuse of having shed “an absolutely astounding amount of bloodshed in the name of God throughout the old testament.” OK, let’s deal with this.

    I assume that in your country you have a very good judicial system in place – you know, things like lawyers, advocates. Judges, courts of law and a supreme court. Now, let’s assume you are a paedophile (not saying you are but just assume for one moment you are) and you have murdered twenty babies and toddlers. The strong arm of the law apprehends you and subsequently accuses you of murder. You are brought before a judge and after more than a year’s accumulated forensic evidence you are at last found guilty and sentenced to death. However, when you are given an opportunity to say something, you accuse the judge of shedding your blood and that he himself would duly be judged for his murderous activity. Really? What kind of justice is this?

    Now, let us turn to the Bible and the instances in the Old Testament to which you refer. You seem to be a good Bible scholar and therefore should know that the Israelite were slaves in Israel for about 430 years. During that time, God patiently waited for the Canaanite and all the other Gentile nations to turn to Him for repentance despite them having been guilty of some of the most heinous sins imaginable. One of their main recreational sins was to burn their own babies alive as an offering to their idol god called Molech (which is similar to today’s atrocious murder of babies through abortion). When God’s patience with them ceased, He rescued his people from Egypt and used them to execute his righteous judgment on the peoples’ of the land who were guilty of such an heinous sin and many other sins. And yet you blame the Supreme Judge in the entire universe and dare say “the Hebrew God was the reason for an absolutely astounding amount of bloodshed in the name of God throughout the old testament.” Would you rather have the Canaanite continue to murder their own babies and burn them alive as an offering to their false god Molech. If you are a just man, full of love and compassion, as you say, you would never take sides with the murderous Canaanite against God and call Him a murderer. Imagine your country taking sides with the criminals and getting rid of every single lawyer, advocate, judge and court of law, because they are in your view a bunch of murderous scum guilty of shedding the blood of multitudes of murderers. Your country will be destroyed in no time because of the ensuing anarchy.

    And let me add this: Israel is again in exile throughout the entire world. God has given the Gentile nations more than 2000 years to repent. The time is drawing closer when God Himself is going to judge the nations for their atrocities. The sad thing is that people like you who hate God and call God a murderer are reluctant to repent.

  • Free Thinker wrote:

    Think about the bible not as God’s holy word, but as a piece of literature written over thousands of years containing the progression of human nature, for a moment if you will. Just objectively concerning the values and lessons taught in the bible with the absence of God at the epicenter. The lessons taught in the bible are, on a human level, wonderful guidelines to good living. They are not perfect in the eyes of everyone, but there is a LOT of wisdom in the bible.

    I and many others don’t hold the bible as our standard to living (though we borrow its wisdom) because we do not believe the foundations that others do, that in order to believe in its entirety we must trust.
    However, over lots and lots of time, humanity (including those who wrote the bible), has developed a clearer and clearer picture of what is right and what is wrong (though many choose to adhere or not adhere). I don’t believe that the Bible is the only source of knowledge as to what is right and wrong, I believe that concept is influenced by many and all things.

    Your language is replete with evolutionary ideas – “the progression of human nature” and “However, over lots and lots of time, humanity (including those who wrote the Bible), has developed a clearer and clearer picture of what is right and what is wrong . . .” You are not prepared to trust God and his Word but quite content to stake your life on a mere theory? Really? I can assure you that despite man’s phenomenal technological advances, he has woefully deteriorated in his morality. In the last few decades alone wars, crime, terrorism, corruption in the highest levels of government, the killing of babies (abortion), etc. have escalated hundred-fold. Do you call this development? You must be kidding. But then again, why should you be alarmed when you blame everything on God and his murderous activities?

    If the Bible is a compass for good and wholesome living, why aren’t you and the rest of the world following its wisdom and progressing to a more civilized society? I’ll tell you why. Because the Lawgiver and his laws cannot be separated. I have already told you that man can do nothing without Jesus Christ, whether you like it or not. You cannot keep his laws while you remove Him as the epicenter of those laws. In fact, mankind is completely inept and incompetent to keep God’s laws (his wisdom) and therefore He sent his Son to do it on our behalf.

    Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven. (Matthew 5:17-20)

    The only prerequisite to benefit from his already fulfilling of the law, is to receive Him as your Saviour. I urge you to do so before it’s too late.

  • Free Thinker wrote:

    Also, in reply to your reply to Sarah:

    “And He always reveals Himself to them. How do I know? Well, again the Bible tells us so.”
    What about the tribes of indigenous islanders who have literally been living without external human contact since their creation? Or those born in the North Korean prison camps who also die there?
    If these people have never heard a word about God or Jesus, don’t they burn in hell as well? That’s entirely unfair.”

    You have already conceded that the Bible contains a lot of wisdom. Why can’t you see the wisdom in the following passages of Scripture?

    For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. (Romans 1:18-23)

    As you must know, the peoples who don’t worship the God of the Bible worship other gods. This may interest you greatly: Read here. Now, please tell me, if many peoples do not believe in Jesus Christ because they have never heard of Him, who told them about the gods they do worship? Surely someone must have taught them why and how they should worship their idols. The Bible gives us the answer:

    Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

    They are holding the truth in unrighteousness. By the by, what makes you think the indigenous islanders and those in the North Korean Prison will receive Christ when they get an opportunity to hear of Him when you and so many others like you who have Bibles and even admit that it contains a lot of wisdom, refuse to repent and receive Him as Saviour?

  • Steve

    Thomas Lessing (Watch and Pray / Waak en Bid) wrote:

    As you must know, the peoples who don’t worship the God of the Bible worship other gods. This may interest you greatly: Read here. Now, please tell me, if many peoples do not believe in Jesus Christ because they have never heard of Him, who told them about the gods they do worship? Surely someone must have taught them why and how they should worship their idols. The Bible gives us the answer:

    Why would they HAVE to of been told? If they are completely isolated, then I would say it’s reasonable to think that something explainable happened to them, or a group of them seen something (lets say lightning for example) or think it came from a greater being. Oh wait that’s how the Greek gods were came to be believed. So all those people who imagined a god of lightning would go to hell because it is a false god, and they had no way to know otherwise? That still seems pretty harsh.

    Thomas Lessing (Watch and Pray / Waak en Bid) wrote:

    They are holding the truth in unrighteousness. By the by, what makes you think the indigenous islanders and those in the North Korean Prison will receive Christ when they get an opportunity to hear of Him when you and so many others like you who have Bibles and even admit that it contains a lot of wisdom, refuse to repent and receive Him as Saviour?

    Also you can’t really say they wouldn’t take the word of god, based on the fact that Free Thinker or myself haven’t when presented with it. For the same reason you have when presented with it.

  • Steve wrote:

    Why would they HAVE to of been told? If they are completely isolated, then I would say it’s reasonable to think that something explainable happened to them, or a group of them seen something (lets say lightning for example) or think it came from a greater being. Oh wait that’s how the Greek gods were came to be believed. So all those people who imagined a god of lightning would go to hell because it is a false god, and they had no way to know otherwise? That still seems pretty harsh.

    You are merely reiterating what I quoted to you from the Bible and confirming what I had already said.

    For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousnes; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. (Romans 1:18-23)

    The Greeks in Paul’s time (5 to 6 AD) made an altar to an unknown God.

    Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars’ hill, and said, Ye men of Athens, I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious. For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you. God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; Neither is worshipped with men’s hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things; And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation; That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us: For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring. Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man’s device. And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead. And when they heard of the resurrection of the dead, some mocked: and others said, We will hear thee again of this matter. So Paul departed from among them. Howbeit certain men clave unto him, and believed: among the which was Dionysius the Areopagite, and a woman named Damaris, and others with them. (Act 17:22-34)

    Steve wrote:

    Also you can’t really say they wouldn’t take the word of god, based on the fact that Free Thinker or myself haven’t when presented with it. For the same reason you have when presented with it.

    As you can see from the above quote from Acts 17 only a handful of Greeks were saved when Paul presented the Gospel to them. That has always been the case because man is adamant to repent. The reason is:

    Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. (Matthew 7:13-14)

    Both you and Free Thinker can and do know the truth but refuse to seek God for your salvation. Don’t blame God for your obstinacy and rebellion.

  • Free Thinker

    Thomas Lessing,

    Thomas Lessing (Watch and Pray / Waak en Bid) wrote:

    Free Thinker wrote:

    I am pleased to see you are beginning to think instead of blurting out your emotions in words that are not fit for a person who knows how to love and show compassion.

    Listen man, I’ve been composed this entire time presenting valid arguments and counter arguments to your statements, which is what I always intend to do. I haven’t been blurting out anything emotionally founded, I haven’t said “You are completely wrong in your belief” because I don’t believe that anyone or anything can be 100% correct. Don’t accuse me of not thinking here, the reason you are interpreting my statements as blurts of emotion is because you probably think that I am in “rebellion” against God because you can see it no other way.

    Steve, myself, and a fairly large amount of other people in this thread all would probably agree that they see the Bible as a good source of wisdom in how to, say, run a family or treat those who you govern; But we do not, out of rebellion, refuse to seek God for our “salvation” because many of us do not see God as what the Bible manifests him to be. I for one make my own belief of the origin and purpose of our existence based on my observations, drawing from every source available. I weigh the options, see what makes the most logical sense historically and physically, and the supernatural is something that I have not witnessed or have witnessed very little, therefore making it an extremely small explanation for both the origin and purpose of our lives as human beings. Does that make sense? I draw my conclusions from all sorts of sources and the Bible does have good, solid background such as histories of the old empires that can be backed up archaeologically, BUT I do not see it as an entirely believable piece of literature (with things like talking snakes and women made from a rib, or even Jesus disappearing into thin air)–Therefore making it simply a book with good intention and wise information that people should definitely read and take wisdom from! They may base their conclusions on life accordingly, I am neither advocating for or against a literal interpretation of the bible, merely for them to weigh all their options and to consider what makes the most sense–To always keep an open mind.

    I’m sure by now you understand that I am not in rebellion of God, because I do not view God the way you do and cannot therefore rebel against something I do not perceive. I am not saying that God doesn’t exist! I am saying that I do not perceive God to exist, though He may or may not, and I cannot base my facts on the Bible because God is the foundation.

    That being said, in regard to your quotes about the indigenous and prisoners for life such as the North Koreans in death camps, or even further with children who grow to ages where they are capable of knowledgeable “sin” but have in no way been exposed to the Christian God or Jesus… If they have either never considered for life to have a supernatural governor, or HAVE, but worship something other than the Christian God, they will go to hell ignorant of what may have “saved” them.

    That’s like saying you believe in Christ and the Christian trinity, but when you die you end up on the front doorstep of Ra or Imhotep. Imagine the surprise when you or literally billions of people who lived and died over the years are wrong about the afterlife, you know?

    All I’m saying is that if someone has never even heard of God or Jesus, which believing in Jesus is a requirement to go to heaven, there is absolutely no way they would end up in heaven–if life was judged according to the bible.

    I for one can say that I would love to be surprised at the end of my life. If there is a hell that I can go to for not believing in something I cannot perceive, then I deserved it because I obviously overlooked something. However, if there is not and it is something completely different, or even if there is no afterlife in the first place, I doubt I will be unhappy about it. I believe in humans having spirits because that’s just something I have observed to be generally true and inexplicable. I cannot make any judgement on the nature of an afterlife because, alas, I have never died completely before.

    To wrap this conversation up, I just want to say that I have had a good time discussing this with you. I like it when I can have discussions that are thought out and of an adult nature. It is obvious that you and I are probably never going to reach a point where we either agree or one of us will present something entirely inarguable against, because, as is everything in life, nothing can be proven or dis-proven completely. Someone could even say that gravity is the invisible force of a supernatural being, forcing something downward, which we have massive amounts of evidence that suggests that is not the case, BUT I will never ever out-rule the idea that it could be true, even if it is an infinitesimally small chance.

    In short, yours and many others’ handbook to the universe is the bible, which you will view as the ultimate truth; mine is my own observations and the collected knowledge of mankind up to this day. We will probably never see eye to eye, but I will respect the possibility for your view to be valid forever, as I should hope you would do for mine as well.

    Thanks for the conversation, keep your mind open to all possibilities, weigh your facts, and I appreciate your respectfulness.
    Have a good one Thomas.

  • Free Thinker,

    I would like to encourage you to study the prophecies in the Bible which is the proof that God not only exists but is really who He says He is – the only Saviour of the world. It seems that you have made quite a bit of observations of just about everything except of the prophecies in the Bible. I too thank you for your respectful conversation. May we meet again and hopefully in heaven.

    Hell was not made for humanity but for the devil and his angels.

    Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels. (Matthew 25:41)

  • Steve Wasdelicious

    Thomas Lessing (Watch and Pray / Waak en Bid) wrote:

    SteveWasdeliciou,

    How do you propose to open peoples’ eyes without you having to open your mouth?

    I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. (2 Ti 4:1-4)

    You can’t preach the Word and warn people without opening your mouth, can you?

    I didn’t mean literally open your mouth I mean make sure you aren’t attacking the person. Our job on earth is to number one, come to know Jesus and become close to Him, as well as saving as many souls from eternal death as we can. Not to attack others. After all, God hates sin… not the people who sin. And using scripture that says God hates the thief, liar, etc, does not refer to unbelievers with open minds, it refers to the ignorant with hardened hearts who will never turn to God as a savior. But also, in those cases He does not hate the person, for He loves all people. He simply hates that they chose a path contradictory to what His will is.

  • URDumb

    If any of you actually believe this story, your truly IGNORANT SHEEPLE. The Top of the emblems look NOTHING alike. Monster cans llok like a claw cutting into it from left to right and then down. Pointy at the start of the tearing on the left before the downward tear. The symbol for “6″ has a swoosh on top and is a lot thicker. No point to the left. Can anyone think for themselves anymore? There are a lot of coincidences, yes. But that all they are. Don’t let people like worldtruth.tv tell you anything without doing the research on your own first. Fear mongers is all they are.

  • Steve Wasdelicious

    We are not attacking people. We are warning them against the wiles of the devil. And that’s precisely what you should be doing as well.

    And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. (Ephesians 5:11)

    By the way, you seem to say that God does not love everyone. Are you a Calvinist?

  • Steve

    Thomas Lessing (Watch and Pray / Waak en Bid) wrote:

    By the way, you seem to say that God does not love everyone. Are you a Calvinist?

    He actually said the exact opposite. He said:

    Steve Wasdelicious wrote:

    God hates sin… not the people who sin

    and

    Steve Wasdelicious wrote:

    it refers to the ignorant with hardened hearts who will never turn to God as a savior. But also, in those cases He does not hate the person, for He loves all people. He simply hates that they chose a path contradictory to what His will is.

    Also I want to thank Free Thinker for his comments. I literally couldn’t have said it myself. He was incredibly careful with his wording and knows a great deal more about the bible than me. Which allows him to better discuss how people like him and I view life.

    Free Thinker wrote:

    Steve, myself, and a fairly large amount of other people in this thread all would probably agree that they see the Bible as a good source of wisdom in how to, say, run a family or treat those who you govern; But we do not, out of rebellion, refuse to seek God for our “salvation” because many of us do not see God as what the Bible manifests him to be. I for one make my own belief of the origin and purpose of our existence based on my observations, drawing from every source available. I weigh the options, see what makes the most logical sense historically and physically, and the supernatural is something that I have not witnessed or have witnessed very little, therefore making it an extremely small explanation for both the origin and purpose of our lives as human beings. Does that make sense? I draw my conclusions from all sorts of sources and the Bible does have good, solid background such as histories of the old empires that can be backed up archaeologically, BUT I do not see it as an entirely believable piece of literature (with things like talking snakes and women made from a rib, or even Jesus disappearing into thin air)–Therefore making it simply a book with good intention and wise information that people should definitely read and take wisdom from! They may base their conclusions on life accordingly, I am neither advocating for or against a literal interpretation of the bible, merely for them to weigh all their options and to consider what makes the most sense–To always keep an open mind.

    From what I have read on this forum so far, the way I am reading things (I could be misinterpreting) is that it doesn’t matter if you follow the commandments (which I think are rules everyone should live by because they make sense, and if everyone did the world would be a better place) you still go to hell, just because you don’t believe in Jesus? Well I say that would be a bit over the top. For if you follow his teaching AND believe in Jesus you are saved, but if you follow his teachings and do not believe in Jesus you go to hell for eternity? Something that tries to “force” me into believing something like that, just makes me not want to even more. However I will always believe that the teachings of how one should govern how they act is a good way to be, whether you believe or now.

  • Steve wrote,

    From what I have read on this forum so far, the way I am reading things (I could be misinterpreting) is that it doesn’t matter if you follow the commandments (which I think are rules everyone should live by because they make sense, and if everyone did the world would be a better place) you still go to hell, just because you don’t believe in Jesus? Well I say that would be a bit over the top. For if you follow his teaching AND believe in Jesus you are saved, but if you follow his teachings and do not believe in Jesus you go to hell for eternity? Something that tries to “force” me into believing something like that, just makes me not want to even more. However I will always believe that the teachings of how one should govern how they act is a good way to be, whether you believe or now.

    If it were possible for you to keep all of God’s commandments (which you think are rules everyone should live by because they make sense, and if everyone did the world would be a better place), from the moment you had become accountable for your deeds right through your life, every single second of the day, and right up to the moment of your death, you would indeed have gone to heaven.

    The snag is, however, that if you break one of God’s commandments you are guilty of having broken them all. Take, for instance Jesus’ command, “everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart.” God does not only see the deed when it is already done; He sees the heart and all its intents.

    What you think in your heart is what you really are. Your thoughts constitute the condition of the heart and that’s why the Bible says: “The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked; who can understand it?” Not even you can understand or fathom the depths of your own heart. God alone knows what is in your heart even before you contemplate to do anything.

    David said: “Even before a word is on my tongue, behold, O LORD, you know it altogether.” “And no creature is hidden from his sight, but all are naked and exposed to the eyes of him to whom we must give account.” “Naked, in this sense means to be stripped of all our facades and smokescreens we use to hide our shortcomings.

    The irony is – and you don’t seem to realize it – is that you are trying to force yourself into obeying God’s commandments (which you think are rules everyone should live by because they make sense, and if everyone did the world would be a better place), but you don’t like it when someone urges you to believe in Jesus Christ for your salvation. How does that work for you?

    The Good News (Gospel) is that God who loves you so much and has no pleasure in your death as a lawbreaker, sent his Son – being born in the likeness of man – to fulfil God’s Law in your behalf so that you may receive forgiveness for your sins and eternal life. It is a free gift. You don’t have to do anything accept to receive Jesus Christ as your Saviour through faith alone. It is insane to reject the gift of eternal life.

  • Steve,

    Indeed, Steve Steve Wasdelicious wrote:

    After all, God hates sin… not the people who sin. And using scripture that says God hates the thief, liar, etc, does not refer to unbelievers with open minds, it refers to the ignorant with hardened hearts who will never turn to God as a savior. But also, in those cases He does not hate the person, for He loves all people. He simply hates that they chose a path contradictory to what His will is.

    Calvinists do in fact believe that those whose hearts God Himself has hardened can never be saved. You cannot say that those whose hearts are hardened can never be saved. If that were the case you and Free Thinker can never be saved. The Bible teaches that everything is possible with God, to save even those whose hearts are hardened.

    I would like to hear from Steve Wasdelicious himself whether he is a Calvinist.

  • Alex

    Lets try to speak only words of peace and joy, to think only thoughts of hope and light, to do only loving and sharing acts, to eat and drink only natural fruits and vegetables and drinks … na mas te

  • Alex,

    Yeah, let’s do everything we want and sanction it all by speaking peace and joy, have thoughts of hope and light and only do loving and sharing acts. IN that way God will overlook our sins and rebellion.

  • Steve Wasdelicious

    Thomas Lessing (Watch and Pray / Waak en Bid) wrote:

    Steve Wasdelicious

    We are not attacking people. We are warning them against the wiles of the devil. And that’s precisely what you should be doing as well.

    And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. (Ephesians 5:11)

    By the way, you seem to say that God does not love everyone. Are you a Calvinist?

    You could have fooled me with your “warnings”. And I never did say God does not love everyone. Everyone and everything was created by Him so He naturally loves all of creation. That doesn’t mean He is never disappointed though.

  • Steve Wasdelicious

    Yes, He is eternally disappointed with those who revere a drink honoring Antichrist (666).

  • Mister

    I’m a Christian and you people buying into this drink being Satanic are unbelievable. I was a former graphic designer and did projects for companies such as Panasonic. When you get a graphic designer to design something, He is given guidelines and the designer creates whatever he can with the given boundaries.

    It was likely he/she was told to use the letter “M” (for the brand’s name) as a logo and have it somehow be a associated with a monster. What’s the first thing to come into mind. A monster claw slash. It’s coincidence, nothing more.

  • Mister,

    Coincidences are often very dangerous.

  • Katrina

    Okay. But the logo is an “m” doesn’t that mean the value is 40? What if me being a believer buys this product and drinks it because I like the taste? Does that automatically mean im not a Christian? What if the company didn’t know this?

  • Where there’s smoke there must be a fire.

    Please read here, here and here.

    You say you are a believer. A believer in what? To answer your question “Does that automatically mean im not a Christian?” If you are saved you can drink the “tasty” monster drink and probably end up in heaven much sooner than you think. If you are not saved you would probably end up in hell sooner than you think.

    What I cannot understand, is why Christians are so enamored with monsters these days. They love the taste of Harry Potter and allow their children to taste it as well, and still believe it cannot harm them. Or they dress their little kids up like little monsters and witches and send them out on a trick or treat spree. Oh, but it’s so much fun, they say. Yes drinking monster drinks because they are supposedly so tasty is real fun – it can kill you. Drink up, my dear friend and enjoy the taste.

  • woodrow

    Probably old news, but didn’t John write the book of Revelation in Greek and not Hebrew? Very interesting thought though. As Christians, being aware of things and symbolism around us is certainly good. Marketing people all over try abd catch our eye. Why even Pepsi uses a form of the yin/yang as their logo. Though it is not the mark of the beast, it is still a path to a religion that goes against the teachings of our Lord.

  • kyle

    i think its worth mentioning that the monster company is no nessacarily satanic. this is a subliminal undertaking to condition us to the idea of wearing a mark of a particular organization. we could make the same claims against nike. goddess of victory nike. speaks against the one true god. andd speaks of a ‘victory’ of a pagan goddess. but i dont believe these companies are evil just a clever trick of the true enemy satan.

  • kyle,

    No one is suggesting that the company is necessarily satanic. What the author of the article did was to expose the satanic symbol of 666 on their cans.

  • dan

    lmao. everything is “satanic” to paranoid fundies

  • dan,

    Then Jesus must have been a paranoid fundie. He said through Paul:

    And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. (Eph 5:11)

  • The Beast unleashed

    Anyways your all wrong.. Haven’t any of you seen the movie End of Days.. They explain it perfectly. John was shown the number of the beast in a dream right? And in dreams numbers are often portrayed upside down. So the true number of the beast is 999 and unless you store your monster cans upside down then you have nothing to worry about… Lol

  • I suggest that you rather read your Bible than listen to the rubbish they say in movies.

  • The Beast unleashed

    Warning!! Thomas Lessing is The Antichrist. Why make such accusations you ask? How was it said by Charles Baudelaire? “The devils greatest achievement was making people believe he doesn’t exist.” Of course Thomas wants you to believe in fake symbolism found on a soda can.. It distracts you from him and his true intentions.. Where is my proof you say?? How can you say such accusations. I looked into the name Thomas Lessing and discovered….. He is the host of evil!!! For Thomas Lessing is truly an anagram for Hostessing Mal.. Mal is the Spanish translation of evil!!

    ..Do any of you see how stupid the above sounds? It’s the exact same argument this post is saying about Monster. Look hard enough and you can find the devil in even Christian blog preacher. But as Thomas Lessing is saying this 666 on the can is all true. If he is correct then he must then agree with my post. A subliminal message hidden in his name. It’s there people!!! Right there for you all to see.

  • The Beast unleashed,

    Apart from the fact that the company advertises the mark of the beast on its cans, many investigations are at presently being done into the death of people who were habitual users of the monster drink. So, drink up, my friend.

  • The Beast unleashed

    Mr Lessing. I don’t doubt the drink is unhealthy. Anything used habitually could be an healthy. If you eat too much meat you’ll get gout. If you drink too much water you can die. If you exercise too much without giving your body a rest it could break down. If you gave a very enthusiastic sermon everyday you could lose your voice… Of course habitual monster drinkers could harm themselves I don’t deny that.. What I do think is ludicrous is labeling a company in in league with satan because some yahoo thought he saw three vavs.

    You obviously read the bible right. Well if we took johns literal interpretation of the number of the beast (six hundred three score and six) it would be 600606. But we figured he ment 666 why? Because it’s only logical to add them together. Now the number six hundred and sixty six in Hebrew is not 3 vavs. 666 in Hebrew consists of 5 symbols. 5 not 3 strike marks. So back to john and the number he saw. If we add them together as it is expected then let’s take monsters label. One Vav equals 6. Three vavs placed together would then equal…. 18! Ohhhh that’s an evil number. Now let’s say since we are dealing in numbers and when numbers are placed together without addition symbol we multiply. 6•6•6= 216.. Oh my that’s an evil number too.. It has a 6 in it. So if monster did indeed try to write the number of the beast they did a bad job.

    Also if you read Hebrew the monster symbols wouldn’t say anything. They look nothing like the Hebrew Vav. The Hebrew Vav has a upwards pointed tail connected to a strait downwards line. The claw marks start with a downwards angel.

    But you are right it’s a bad unhealthy drink when used in excess. I personally drink them as well as other energy drinks when needed. Maybe once a week or less. Now if you think they are bad why attack monster? Why not attack rockstar, amp, venom, red bull. I mean Venom has a serpents head on it with fangs.. And one of their first flavors was sour apple.. Oh that sounds like another bible story involving evil. Shoot I already proved that your own name can be twisted to an interpretation of evil. Let it go man..

    By all means boycott them for being unhealthy. Boycott all of them. But don’t insinuate it’s the market the beast when you have no idea what you’re talking about.

  • The Beast unleashed

    Thomas Lessing (Watch and Pray / Waak en Bid) wrote:

    The Beast unleashed,

    Apart from the fact that the company advertises the mark of the beast on its cans, many investigations are at presently being done into the death of people who were habitual users of the monster drink. So, drink up, my friend.

    Your response doesn’t seem very Christian to me. You clam it’s evil(with no actual proof) even the bible disproves your thinking.. The number is Six Hundred and Sixty-Six. Three vavs placed together don’t make Six Hundred and Sixty-Six. If you want to take the bible literally as you claim it’s absolute proof of the existence of good then the number of the beast has got to be six hundred and sixty-six.. One number not three separate numbers placed side by side. Otherwise we would then interpret johns vision as 600, 60, 6 three separate numbers.

    But what really concerns me about your so called faith.. Just you (not others of Christianity) is that you have no compassion as the bible says we should show. Your words “many investigations are at presently being done into the death of people who were habitual users of the monster drink. So, drink up, my friend.” Insinuate you want me to die.. You encourage me too “drink up”.. Why? Do you want me to become another statistic in the investigation? Do you want me to drink the “devils” drink. A true man of faith would never say such words if you truly felt that this is a devils product you would try and sway my decision of partaking in the consumption of this product. A true man of faith would not cast Embrace the sinners of the world and plea for them to repent. To accept god and to embrace his love and compassion for all of us. He (a man of faith) would not talk about the deaths caused by this drink and say “drink up”. You asked others if they even read the bible.. I ask you sir.. Have you read it? Or just copy and paste from websights scriptures that you remember? I haven’t read it in its entirety but when I was in Iraq I read my bible every night asking for forgiveness of my sins. I may make light of some religious beliefs but god knows it’s in jest. Even god has a sense of humor.. Just look at the platypus..

  • The Beast unleashed,

    “But what really concerns me about your so called faith.. Just you (not others of Christianity) is that you have no compassion as the bible says we should show. Your words “many investigations are at presently being done into the death of people who were habitual users of the monster drink. So, drink up, my friend.” Insinuate you want me to die..”

    You are the one who wants to die. Don’t blame me. Moreover you seem to be quite willing to take the mark of the beast when he appears. That would surely not only lead to your death but also ensure that you are given a place of honor in hell.

    And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. (Rev 19:20)

    You are right. A true man of faith would ask you whether you are saved. Have you received Jesus Christ as your Savior? Would you mind giving your testimony of how you received forgiveness for your sins?

  • The Beast unleashed wrote:

    But you are right it’s a bad unhealthy drink when used in excess. I personally drink them as well as other energy drinks when needed. Maybe once a week or less. Now if you think they are bad why attack monster? Why not attack rockstar, amp, venom, red bull. I mean Venom has a serpents head on it with fangs.. And one of their first flavors was sour apple.. Oh that sounds like another bible story involving evil. Shoot I already proved that your own name can be twisted to an interpretation of evil. Let it go man.

    I will leave it up to you to attack rockstar, amp, venom, red bull and the likes. You seem to know more about the mark of the beast. I bet you also know much more about Harry Potter.

  • The Beast unleashed

    You retort with more babble and Harry potter jokes. Never read them and I have only seen the first movie. It was entertaining and childish as you have become entertaining and childish to me. You know nothing of your own faith. I bet you are one of the protesters who stand outside of the grave yard boycotting soldiers who have died in combat.

    Thomas Lessing (Watch and Pray / Waak en Bid) wrote:

    The Beast unleashed wrote:

    But you are right it’s a bad unhealthy drink when used in excess. I personally drink them as well as other energy drinks when needed. Maybe once a week or less. Now if you think they are bad why attack monster? Why not attack rockstar, amp, venom, red bull. I mean Venom has a serpents head on it with fangs.. And one of their first flavors was sour apple.. Oh that sounds like another bible story involving evil. Shoot I already proved that your own name can be twisted to an interpretation of evil. Let it go man.

    I will leave it up to you to attack rockstar, amp, venom, red bull and the likes. You seem to know more about the mark of the beast. I bet you also know much more about Harry Potter.

    Sadly I do know more about the mark of the beast than you. You blindly follow those who tell you what to do and say. You don’t follow Gods word or teachings I’m not Christian but I am Roman Catholic and I act more Christian than you. The bible says that the Antichrist will appear as a charismatic leader promising false peace to gain control of his followers. Followers who will blindly follow his bidding and accept the mark of the beast. God didn’t want blind followers he wanted us to choose for ourselves to follow him. You choose to interpret things in your own way and state they are fact. You must then be omnipotent to know exactly what Monster is saying in their logo because you seem to be in their minds and knowing exactly what went into the creation of this logo. But that can’t be possible because only God is omnipotent. So how do you know these are all facts brought to us in this blog? All I see this blog doing and you fueling the fire is a modern day witch hunt. People like you get innocents killed with your finger pointing and blame. I am going to go drink a Monster right now and then go to the Gym. While I’m there please find something more insight full to say to me. Don’t just copy and paste bible scriptures… On another note though I’m about to blow your mind right now. So you think this symbol represents three 6′s side by side right? Let’s apply the universal language of math to it. So when numbers are placed side by side with no +,-,x or / then we multiply them right. Xy equals x•y so then we multiply the monster symbol.. 6•6•6=216!!! Do you know what 216 is it’s revelations in a nut shell 21/3 is 7.. 777 is the number of Gods perfection. And 6 is the number of man and woman. God created the earth in 7 days and on the 6th day he created man…!! Mind officially Blown!! See my jokes are at least intelligent

  • The Beast unleashed,

    Well at least you have now admitted that Satan’s devices are childish and entertaining to you. So as you can see, his ploy to control his followers by means of his charisma is working just perfectly. He has even managed to change the lake of fire into a playground.

    We’re not the only ones who say the Monster Energy drink has 666 on its cans.

    Monster Energy Drink EXPOSED!! 666

    Do You Drink Monster Energy Drink?

    Monster Energy Drink Logo resembles 666 in Hebrew

    Monster Energy Drink Exposed (Mirrored)

    Monster Energy Drink

    There are many more but these examples should suffice.

    Why do you call yourself “The Beast Unleashed?” It proves that 666 already has a profound influence on you.

    I find it rather interesting that you should say you are Roman Catholic but not a Christian. Aren’t Roman Catholics Christians?

  • The Beast unleashed

    As far as Roman Catholics being Christian I thought so. But as you clearly stated before about the crusades you said that it wasn’t cristianity that did it it was the Roman Catholic Church… So are you confused? Now your saying Roman Catholics are Christian.. But when they were killing people in gods name they weren’t.. Do you even know what your saying anymore or just spewing out the mouth the first thing that comes to mind. And I said you were entertaining and childish as was the movie so I guess that lumps you into one so satans devices huh.. I chose The Beast unleashed because it has no profound meaning. But I knew it would lead to you thinking just as you are. It’s just as bad as Hostessing Mal.. Which is your name’s subliminal message. Mal is the Spanish word for evil. Also look very closely at the monster symbol you see Vavs because there is Evil in your heart same with all the web sights you provided. The slashes look more like 7′s than Hebrew vavs and isn’t 777 gods number of perfection. Christian religions consider 7 to be a Holy Number because in Genesis the first book of the Bible it says that God rested on the 7th day and man was created on the 6th day so therefore 777 is thought to be the antithesis of 666. In fact a 7 can be argued to look like a Vav since these anti monster fanatics are jumping to conclusions then what’s to stop an anti gambling fanatic to say a lucky sevens slot machine is the devils tool? But then I bet you will be there and say “no those are 7′s and that’s gods number of perfection. They are not vavs.”

    Also what’s with the Harry Potter references? You say it in multiple posts. Are you like 13 or something because there are a lot more witch movie references than Harry Potter.

  • The Beast unleashed,

    Our discussion is going nowhere. Please don’t comment here again unless you have something intelligent to say.

  • Jeremiah

    So, I was on Reddit searching for “Monster Energy,” and I happened to find this. I’ve heard from many people at church about this myth, and just about every single one of them, including my pastor, was smiling and/or laughing hysterically while they told me about it. Honestly Thomas Lessing, the fact that you spend your spare time telling others how to live their lives is quite sad. You do realize that simply insulting people on a “Christian” website isn’t going to get you anywhere closer in your relationship with Jesus Christ.

    “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye. Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.” (Matthew 7:1-6).

    Firstly, this is all opinionated; there is no factual evidence whatsoever about this. For Pete’s sake, there was only ONE biblical quote, and it was extremely vague. If I recall correctly, humankind doesn’t even know what the mark of the beast is, so to assume that it is 666, and then judge people for not going along with what you say is pathetic. Secondly, who said you rule over everyone here. Christianity differs from Catholicism in this: Christians are encouraged to discern the Bible for themselves, and not be told how things are. So for you to tell somebody their place seems, to me, very low.

    Thomas, I really do feel you and Deborah need prayer. I will pray for you in your time of need. Cling to the Lord and he will help you understand. Knock, and the door will open. I pray to God that you will stop in your wicked ways.

    If you wish to contact me for prayer or guidance, email me at bouncypanda360@gmail.com

    Sincerely,
    Jeremiah

  • Jeremiah,

    No one is trying to convince you not to drink whatever you like. Our concern is with those, as the Bible says, those who have ears to hear. It is obvious that you and your pastor do not have ears to hear. So, by all means, go ahead and drink as many monster energy drinks as you wish and release the beast that is in you.

  • Robbie

    Ironic how the ignorant quote Matt 7 to disguise their own sinful lifestyles. I agree with you Thomas. Let him go indulge in his brew.

  • cody

    No for they dont know i do not think that makes them any diffrent from other christians. But its the job of us who do kniw to fill them in. We serve a just and fair and loving GOD. guta terefe wrote:

    but,what if a believer unknowingly wears a cloth or drinks a drink with this sign, does this separate him from Christ?

  • cody,

    My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children. (Hos 4:6)

    Jessie Penn-Lewis wrote:

    Ignorance binds up, because it gives ground to Satan. Man’s ignorance is a primary and essential condition for deception by evil spirits. The ignorance of the people of God concerning the powers of darkness, has made it easy for the devil to carry out his work as deceiver. Unfallen man in his pure state was not perfect in knowledge. Eve was ignorant of “good and evil,” and her ignorance was a condition which lent itself to the deception of the serpent.

    The devil’s great purpose, and for which he fights, is to keep the world in ignorance of himself, his ways, and his colleagues, and the Church is taking sides with him when siding with ignorance about him. Every man should keep an attitude of openness to all truth, and shun the false knowledge which has slain its tens of thousands, and kept the nations in the deception of the devil.

    Why would any Christian in his right mind want to release the beast that is within him by drinking a beverage that is openly anti-Christ? Ignorance is no excuse. That’s not ignorance. It is downrignt foolhardiness. You may as well argue that many Chrsitians are going to take the mark of the beast during the Great Triubulation and then say to God: “Sorry God, I did not know that the marek of the beast (666) separates me from you.” How can any Christian (mature and immature) construe that the beast (666) has any affiliation with Jesus Christ and still say: “Sorry God, I did not know.”

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