Mary Queen of Heaven and The Dutch Reformed Church Apostasy

Rev. Attie Nel - Mary Queen of Heaven and The Dutch Reformed Church Apostasy

Rev. Attie Nel

Mary Queen of Heaven and The Dutch Reformed Church’s [Accelerated] Downward Spiral into Apostasy

Someone recently asked me “How is it possible that anyone who once proclaimed a steadfast faith in Jesus Christ can apostatize from the truth and begin to follow another Jesus and even Mary Queen of Heaven, and yet still believe that they are following the real Jesus?”

In hindsight I knew my answer was rather flimsy at the time and I felt like kicking my own rear-end for not having provided a better reason for our postmodern malady of chronic apostasy.

I must admit I felt much better when I realized that when Paul grappled with the phenomenon of apostasy he could only express his astonishment at the serious and very dangerous defection from sound biblical doctrine in the church at Galatia without giving any sound reasons.

The most amazing thing about their apostasy was that it happened so quickly. It accelerated at an alarming rate since Paul’s last missionary journey to Galatia and very soon after the false teachers began to infiltrate the church with their menacing heresies.

It indicates that when doctrinal error is allowed to continue unabated and is not immediately nipped in the bud it will quickly spread like a cancerous tumour, spreading rapidly from body cell to body cell until the entire body is infected and eventually killed (2 Timothy 2:13-19).

Incidentally, Rev. Attie Nel of the DR Church Bergsig delivered a sermon on this passage but instead of warning his congregants against the manifold false teachers of our time, he singled out the “whistle-blowers” as the whipping-boys and cancer carriers and advised his congregants to rather surf the site if they needed solid biblical mentors or teachers to guide them on their spiritual journey. He said:

NT Wright“Today there are three persons who’ve had a very significant influence on my life: N.T. Wright, SCOT McKNIGHT and Eugene Peterson. In South Africa: Stephan Joubert and Jan van der Watt, and even Adrio König.

Everyone of us should have a teacher or two in our lives, preferably more than one [and] say: ‘I am eager to learn from you.’

However, people learn in different ways. Some learn through reading; others though listening; yet others learn through talking, discussion.

I do not like to talk because I am a slow thinker, but I’m an avid reader and listener.

Now, I’m going to give you a website’s name where all three of these things occur.

There’s a lot of reading-matter, very good reading-matter and conservative theologians; they publish daily on that site and there is also sermons you may listen to, and there’s a place where you can chat with others.

The address is very simple, Pop in there; you can also make those persons your teachers.”

The Bible never advises us to find ourselves a mentor or mentors to guide or lead us into truth. Eastern mysticism and in particular Buddhism and Hinduism expect their followers to find themselves a guru or two and to sit at their feet for spiritual guidance. Jesus said that the Holy Spirit will will guide us into all truth and even show us things to come. (John 16:13). Most people are too lazy to study the Word for themselves and prefer to rely on their “dominees” of pastors for spiritual guidance and knowledge of the truth.

All men, including the authors of this site, are fallible and can easily succumb to error and wrong teaching. That is why we must always test the spirits and make sure that what we hear and read is in harmony with the Word of God. One of the reasons why people are advised to seek a mentor is because the Word God is no longer regarded as divinely infallible. The Emergent Church fraternity and their followers prefer to rely on their personal journeys and experiences rather than on the Bible.

Toward the end of his sermon Rev. Nel says:

“Make God the first love, the only love in your life. Having said that, one wonders, ‘but how do I live it?’

And one of the persons I heard speaking about this, this week, he said ‘Just love Jesus.’ That’s all. Only love the Lord.

If you love the Lord and if you love Him more than anything else everything falls into place. Its so easy.

Its so easy. Its not an emotion. I do not choose to feel something. I choose to be something. How does it feel to love your wife? I don’t know …

All I know is that I would do nothing to hurt her. How does it feel to love your wife? I don’t know . . . I do not know what it feels like.

All I know is that when I keep my children in safety, that is what my wife wants of me . . . ‘Just love Jesus'”

These are indeed precious words but unfortunately precious words do not always paint the full picture. Jesus Christ also wants Rev. Attie Nel and all the other pastors in the Dutch Reformed Church family to keep God’s children safely, just as his wife wants him to keep their kids in safety.

Didn’t  Jesus say that our love for Him will be mirrored in the way we feed and keep his sheep and lambs? (John 21: 15-17). To love Jesus is therefore much more than a mere pious wish to “just love Jesus.” In fact, Scripture never says that we should “just love Jesus.”

Love for God finds its highest expression in the way you handle and practice His Word (doctrines) (John 14:21, 21; 2 John 9) and also in the way you feed and keep his children.

In the first place, to keep God’s children safely means to preserve and feed them within the constraints and parameters of His Word so that they may grow spiritually and to protect them against the unscrupulous attacks of false teachers (ravenous wolves in sheep’s clothing).wolf-in-sheeps-clothing1_thumb

Are our pastors doing that? No, say I, because they are delivering up the sheep and the lambs to teachers who are saying and doing things contrary to our Great Teacher, Jesus Christ.

They are leading the sheep and especially the lambs along ways that seem right but the ends thereof are the ways of death (Proverbs 14:12).

N.T. Wright, one of Rev. Attie Nel’s influential teachers, is a bishop in The Church of England who are confusing Christians with his book “What Saint Paul Really Said.”

He is also one of the co-writers of a book that is causing an uproar in the church, called “Stricken By God, Nonviolent Identification & the Victory of Christ edited by Brad Jersak en Michael Hardin. Several distinguished leaders in the Emergent Church, amongst them Brian McLaren, have endorsed it with gusto.

Bishop Wright is an highly esteemed person in the Emergent Church. On page 119 of his book “What Saint Paul Really Said” he wrote the following on the doctrine of justification.

“‘Justification’ in the first century was not about how someone might establish a relationship with God.  It was about God’s eschatological definition, both future and present, of who was, in fact, a member of his people.”

With this concoction readers are expected to rethink the concept of justification. According to Wright “justification” cannot be interpreted in terms of God’s imputed righteousness of His Son to save sinners, but merely as an expression or locution (metaphor) of God’s covenant faithfulness in vindicating Israel in the face of the nations. No wonder Paul lamented:

Galatians 1:6-7 I am surprised and astonished that you are so quickly turning renegade and deserting Him Who invited and called you by the grace (unmerited favor) of Christ (the Messiah) [and that you are transferring your allegiance] to a different [even an opposition] gospel.

Not that there is [or could be] any other [genuine Gospel], but there are [obviously] some who are troubling and disturbing and bewildering you with a different kind of teaching which they offer as a gospel] and want to pervert and distort the Gospel of Christ (the Messiah) [into something which it absolutely is not].

Queen of Heaven, Mother of Harlots

The apostle John was equally astonished when he was shown the apocalyptic MYSTERY BABYLON, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH and the woman who was drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus (Revelation 17:6).

In fact, the very same word “thaumazo { thou-mad’-zo}” is used in both these passages. Unfortunately astonishment (amazement, bewilderment and shock) have been replaced by admiration and appreciation, even to the extent that the once disallowed and disavowed doctrines of the Roman Catholic Church are being assimilated into Protestant circles with accelerated zeal and wonderment.

Those who fail to notice the globally orchestrated and unrelenting efforts of some of the most revered spiritual leaders in both the Roman Catholic and Protestant churches to reverse the Reformation need to surf the internet for only a few hours to see how far they have progressed to eradicate the divide between the two.

During my research on the internet, I happened to stumble on a site entitled PBS that seems to be on the forefront of providing international news and views via their television stations and internet content.

They claim to reach more than 65 million people every week and invite their viewers and listeners to experience the worlds of science, history, nature and public affairs; hear diverse viewpoints, and take front row seats to world-class drama and performances.

I was particularly interested in their page called RELIGION AND ETHICS and its cover story “Protestant Mary Queen of Heaven” which appeared on December 17, 2004.

Kim Lawton, Managing Editor/Correspondent, and award-winning reporter, producer, writer and editor who has worked in broadcast media and print for nearly 20 years covering religion, ethics, and culture, interviewed several well-known clergy and academics.

She introduced Prof. Timothy George, Southern Baptist and dean of the evangelical Beeson Divinity School in Birmingham, Alabama, as one of a growing number of theologians and writers urging evangelicals and other Protestants to stop ignoring Mary Queen of Heaven.

Protestants to accept the Mary Queen of Heaven?

She also interviewed Professor BEVERLY ROBERTS GAVENTA (Princeton Theological Seminary) who is calling for a new Protestant examination of Mary Queen of Heaven.

So even in order to understand fully what those Gospels are about, which is so much what Protestants prize, we have to pay more attention to her. We can’t just bring her out for Christmas Eve and put her back away on the 26th.

Mother MaryWhy do we need to pay more attention to Mary Queen of Heaven when she hardly or ever contributed to the advancement or illumination of the Gospel?

That task was given to the twelve apostles of whom Jesus once said:“Behold my mother and my brethren! For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.”

We dare not show any partiality when Christ himself singled out every person who does the will of His Father in heaven to be his brother and sister and mother.

Mary Queen of Heaven who presented herself to God so that He may accomplish His will in regard to the incarnation of God the Son, was indeed blessed but so are the poor in spirit, they that mourn over their sins, the meek, the hungry who thirst after the righteousness of God, the merciful, the pure in heart, the peacemakers and those who are persecuted for righteousness’ sake.

No one can deny that Mary Queen of Heaven was a blessed chosen vessel of God, for had He not done so our blessed Lord and Saviour could never have partaken of flesh and blood so that our sins and transgressions could be judged in His torn and bloodied body on the cross.

The virgin vessel was blessed but no more than every man, woman and child whoes do the will of His Father in heaven.

As soon as we place Mary Queen of Heaven on a pedestal to single her out for special attention above all the others whom Jesus Christ referred to as his brothers and sisters and mothers, we are dangerously close to the Mariology of Roman Catholicism. Mariology in the Roman Catholic tradition is not just about bringing Mary Queen of Heaven out of Christmas Eve and examining her position for a better and fuller understanding of the Gospels.

Mary Queen of Heaven, Co-Redemptrix?

The ultimate goal of Mariology is to proclaim Mary Queen of Heaven Co-redemptrix with Jesus Christ. The following definition of the word “Co-redemptrix” appears on Wikipedia.

Co-Redemptrix in Roman Catholic Mariology refers to the role of the Blessed Virgin Mary Queen of Heaven in the redemption process. It is a separate concept from Mediatrix.

The concept of Co-redemptrix refers to an indirect or unequal but important participation by the Blessed Virgin Mary Queen of Heaven in redemption.

She gave free consent to give life to the redeemer, to share his life, to suffer with him under the cross and to sacrifice him for the sake of the redemption of humankind.

Co-Redemptrix has not been formally defined as a dogma, although petitions for declaring it (along with Mediatrix) a dogma have been submitted to the pope by various Cardinals and bishops. It would become a fifth Marian dogma if approved by the Holy See.

Millions of Roman Catholics have signed and submitted a petition to the Pope, pleading with him to declare Mary Queen of Heaven Co-redemptrix, Mediatix and Advocate for all Christians. On April 9, 1997 the late Pope John Paul II referred to the role of Mary Queen of Heaven in the crucifixion during an audience as follows:

Mary Queen of Heaven … co-operated during the event itself and in the role of mother; thus her co-operation embraces the whole of Christ’s saving work.

She alone was associated in this way with the redemptive sacrifice that merited the salvation of all mankind.

In union with Christ and in submission to him, she collaborated in obtaining the grace of salvation for all humanity…

In God’s plan, Mary Queen of Heaven is the ‘woman’ (cf. John 2:4; John 19:26), the New Eve, united to the New Adam in restoring humanity to its original dignity.

Her cooperation with her Son continues for all time in the universal motherhood which she enjoys in the order of grace. Trusting in this maternal cooperation, let us turn to Mary Queen of Heaven, imploring her help in all our needs. (Emphasis added).

For Mary Queen of Heaven to continue in heaven for all time in the universal motherhood which she enjoys in the order of grace and to be a help in the needs of every single believer AND the savior of the dying throughout the entire world, she needs to be omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent. Indeed, she needs to be God herself. Only God has these awesome attributes and He alone can save the dying (Romans 6:23). Here is an example of the abdominal and blasphemous prayers Roman Catholics pray to Mary Queen of Heaven for help.

O Mother of Perpetual Help, grant that I may ever invoke thy most powerful name, which is the safeguard of the living and the salvation of the dying. O purest Mary Queen of Heaven, O sweetest Mary Queen of Heaven, let thy name henceforth be ever on my lips. Delay not, O Blessed Lady, to help me, whenever I call on thee; for, in all my temptations, in all my needs, I shall never cease to call on thee, ever repeating thy sacred name, Mary Queen of Heaven, Mary Queen of Heaven.

O what consolation, what sweetness, what confidence, what emotion, fill my soul when I utter thy sacred name, or even only think of thee. I thank the Lord for having given thee, for my good so sweet, so powerful, so lovely a name. But I will not be content with merely uttering thy name. Let my love for thee prompt me ever to hail thee, Mother of Perpetual Help. Read here.

Jesus Christ, the Son of the Living God was given a Name above every Name (the most powerful Name), not Mary Queen of Heaven because He (not she) humbled Himself (not herself) and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. (Philippians 2:6-11).

Ah, but wait a sec. Wasn’t it Mary Queen of Heaven who crushed the serpents head? This is what their equally abominable and blasphemous Bible says.

I will put enmities between thee and the woman, and thy seed and her seed: she shall crush thy head, and thou shalt lie in wait for her heel. (Genesis 3:15 – Douay-Rheims Bible)

The ominous reality about the growing world-wide appeal to proclaim Mary Queen of Heaven the Co-redemptrix, Mediatrix and Advocate for all Christians is that it has taken on an increasingly supernatural dimension with the many Marian apparitions throughout the world.

In many of these Marian apparitions she claims to be the Mediatrix, Advocate, Saviour (Ark of peace) and ever-present, titles which belong to Christ alone.

Her most alarming claim is that she is the Co-Redemptrix or Co-redeemer of the world. The following quotes are directly from the lips of the “Mary Queen of Heaven” many people have seen in her apparitions throughout the world.

I stand here as the Co-redemptix and Advocate. Everything should be concentrated on that. Repeat after me: The new dogma will be the dogma of the Co-Redemptrix. Until I’m acknowledged, there with the most holy Trinity, has willed me to be, I will not be able to exercise my power fully in the eternal work of co-redemption and in the universal mediation of graces.”

She claims to have suffered with Christ for the sins of the world.

I love you even if you are far away from me and my son. I ask you not to allow my heart to shed tears of blood because of the souls who are being lost through sin.

For a long time I have suffered for you. If I don’t want my son to abandon you, I am forced to pray to him myself without ceasing. You pay no heed. However much you would do, you can never recompense the pain I have taken for you.

I boldly assert that his suffering became my suffering because his heart was mine. And just as Adam and Eve sold the world for an apple, so in a certain sense my son and I redeemed the world with one heart.

I am she who is related to the divine Trinity. I am the virgin of Revelation.

My children, I am the Door of heaven and a help on earth.

She encourages her children to venerate her statues.

As mother I want to tell you that I am here with you represented by the statues you have here. Each of my statues is a sign of a presence of mine and reminds you of your heavenly mother. Therefore, it must be honored and put in places of greater veneration. You should look with love at every image of your heavenly mother.

She also encourages her followers to build shrines and temples to her honour

I ardently desire a temple built for me here where I can show and offer all my love, compassion, help and protection, for I am your merciful mother.

In 1999 in Amsterdam she was not only hailed as the Co-Redemptrix but also for the first time as The Lady of all Nations. In one of her apparitions she said the following-

When the dogma, the last dogma in Mary Queen of Heaven’s history has been proclaimed, the Lady of Nations will give peace, true peace to the world. The nations, however, must say my prayer in union with the church. They must know that the Lady of all nations has come as Co-Redemptrix, Mediatrix and Advocate.

The Marian apparition now claims that she is not only Mary Queen of Heaven the mother of God but also Lady of all the Nations and as soon as the Pope declares her to be the Co-Redeemer with Christ she will usher in a new era of peace.

Speak about the mother of the Eucharist because the mother of the Eucharist closes history. All the messages come from God and everywhere that I am appearing I am speaking about the same things.

Because of the triumph of the Eucharist, the mother wants all the churches to be reunited so that there will be only one church for all the people (Emphasis added).

You may have begun to wonder why I am telling you these things and how they tie in with the Dutch Reformed Church’s downward spiral into apostasy.

Not only has the emerging mystical spirituality (contemplative prayer, centering prayer, lectio divina, lectio continua, enneagrams, labyrinths, solitude, the silence, meditation, breath prayers, the Jesus prayer, contemplative retreats, twelve cross stations, Jesus candles, icons, Ignatian contemplation, the Desert fathers etc.) taken the church by storm, it is beginning to show its true colours and purpose which is to bring Protestants back into the Roman Catholic fold.

Beverly Roberts Gaventa

Beverly Roberts Gaventa

The Faculty of Theology at the University of Stellenbosch and Communitas hosted a three-day conference on the theme “What can we learn from the book of Acts about being a Missional Church?” from 18-20 May 2009.

The conference launched research groups that will work on seven themes in the Book of Acts over a period of three years.

The project aimed to bring together two major discussions within the context of theology and church practice. Proff. BEVERLY GAVENTA (Princeton Theological Seminary) whom I have already briefly introduced to you as a promulgator for a new Protestant examination of Mary Queen of Heaven and SCOT McKNIGHT (North Park University, Chicago) was the main speakers at the conference. Like Prof. Gaventa, McKnight urges Protestant churches to honour Mary Queen of Heaven. The following excerpt appeared in one of the site Lighthouse Trials Research’s newsletters:

Scot McKnight

Scot McKnight

In emerging church leader, Scot McKnight’s book, The Real Mary Queen of Heaven: Why Evangelical Christians Can Embrace the Mother of Jesus, McKnight says that Protestant Christians are the only Christians who do not honor Mary Queen of Heaven.

He recommends that Protestant churches all practice an “Honor Mary Queen of Heaven Day” (p. 144), saying she “leads us to a Jesus who brings redemption … To listen to Mary Queen of Heaven is to hear the message of Jesus’ death and resurrection as a mega-event whereby God established a new kind of power, a new kind of family, and a new kind of kingdom” (p. 145).

McKnight describes this great event as a time when the world will come together and worship Mary Queen of Heaven (Emphasis added).

Scot McKnight who is already having a great impact on the emerging church is also passionately promoting the Eucharistic Jesus in Protestant circles.

He says that “the Eucharist profoundly enables the grace of God to be received with all its glories and blessings.”(Scot McKnight, Turning to Jesus, (Louisville, KY: Westminister John Knox Press, 2002 edition, p. 7).

It is evident that the Dutch Reformed Church’s three-day conference on the theme “What can we learn from the Book of Acts about being a Missional Church” is nothing but a well-disguised effort to promote the Roman Catholic Church’s New Evangelization programme.

Many young Dutch Reformed Church clergy are progressively opting for a missionary strategy to establish the Kingdom of God on earth and are urging people to become followers of Jesus.

The Jesus they are following is slowly but surely morphing into the Eucharist Jesus who is repeatedly sacrificed on the altars of Roman Catholic cathedrals throughout the world.

Mary Queen of Heaven Queen in the bible.

Jeremiah 44:15-25 Then all the men who knew that their wives were burning incense to other gods, and all the women who stood by – a great assembly – even all the people who dwelt in Pathros in the land of Egypt, answered Jeremiah:

As for the word that you have spoken to us in the name of the Lord, we will not listen to or obey you.

But we will certainly perform every word of the vows we have made: to burn incense to the queen of heaven and to pour out drink offerings to her as we have done – we and our fathers, our kings and our princes – in the cities of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem; for then we had plenty of food and were well off and prosperous and saw no evil.

But since we stopped burning incense to the queen of heaven and pouring out drink offerings to her, we have lacked everything and have been consumed by the sword and by famine. [And the wives said]

When we burned incense to the queen of heaven and poured out drink offerings to her, did we make cakes [in the shape of a star] to represent and honor her and pour out drink offerings to her without [the knowledge and approval of] our husbands?

Then Jeremiah said to all the people – to the men and to the women and to all the people who had given him that answer –

The incense that you burned in the cities of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem – you and your fathers, your kings and your princes, and the people of the land – did not the Lord [earnestly] remember [your idolatrous wickedness] and did it not come into His mind?

The Lord could no longer endure the evil of your doings and the abominations which you have committed; because of them therefore has your land become a desolation and an [astonishing] waste and a curse, without inhabitants, as it is this day.

Because you have burned incense [to idols] and because you have sinned against the Lord and have not obeyed the voice of the Lord or walked in His law and in His statutes and in His testimonies, therefore this evil has fallen upon you, as it is this day.

Moreover, Jeremiah said to all the people, including all the women, Hear the word of the Lord, all you of Judah who are in the land of Egypt,

Thus says the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel: You and your wives have both declared with your mouths and fulfilled it with your hands, saying, We will surely perform our vows that we have vowed to burn incense to the queen of heaven and to pour out drink offerings to her. [Surely] then confirm your vows and [surely] perform your vows! [If you will defy all My warnings to you, then, by all means, go ahead!] (Emphasis added).

When a church, their leaders, their countrymen and their country refuse to listen to and heed God’s warnings in His Word, He leaves them to their own devices and allows them to fall even deeper into their self-inflicted, apostatized and idolatrous lifestyles.

Like Israel of old they too have their pious reasons for their disobedience.

Our country has been in the grip of crime and violence for a very long time and despite the many warnings from various corners throughout the country, church leaders, and especially our younger generation church clergy, have unremittingly and obstinately followed their own “new-hearty” and “labyrinthy” ways to bring peace to our land.

They too say “we and our fathers, our kings and our princes – in all the cities of South Africa – will bring peace, prosperity and happiness through our own efforts and methods.

We have tried the old ways but it didn’t work. Let us therefore rethink the Gospel; let us listen to the followers of other religious persuasions and work in union and in harmony with them to save our beloved country.”

God  says to them “Surely, then confirm your new vows to usher in My Kingdom on earth with your abominable ways; honour the queen of heaven as my people have done in olden times.

If you will defy all My warnings to you, then, by all means, go ahead! But! remember what I have said through my apostle Paul:

1 Corinthians 10:9-11 We should not tempt the Lord [try His patience, become a trial to Him, critically appraise Him, and exploit His goodness] as some of them did – and were killed by poisonous serpents;

Nor discontentedly complain as some of them did – and were put out of the way entirely by the destroyer (death).

Now these things befell them by way of a figure [as an example and warning to us]; they were written to admonish and fit us for right action by good instruction, we in whose days the ages have reached their climax (their consummation and concluding period).

The Vatican: An Ally to Israel’s  Enemies

It is no secret that the Vatican was in close cahoots with Hitler and his Nazi regime to exterminate the Jews.

We also know for a fact that the Palestinians (Arabs) fought on the side of Hitler in their endeavors to exterminate the Jews.

Arafat was the nephew of Haj Amin el-Husseini, past Grand Mufti of Jerusalem and admirer of Hitler. Haj Amin openly declared that the Arabs supported the Axis Powers in WW II because they promised a “final solution to the Jewish problem.”

S.S. leader Heinrich Himmler explained that “solution”: “The Jewish race is in the process of being exterminated . . . that is our program . . . a splendid page in our history.” Himmler cabled Haj Amin the welcome news: “The National Socialist Party has inscribed on its flag ‘the extermination of world Jewry.’ Our party sympathizes with the fight of the Arabs…against the foreign Jew.” On Radio Berlin, March 1, 1944, the Mufti, Arafat’s uncle, issued the following call: “Arabs, rise as one man and fight for your sacred rights. Kill the Jews wherever you find them. This pleases God [Allah] and religion [and] saves your honor. God is with you.” (Read here).

Some believe that the RCC has changed. Has it? Read here. Now, isn’t that so wonderfully kosher of Pope Francis to quote something from the Bible that is so wonderfully conspicuous by its absence? There is not a single verse in the Bible that refers to an angel of peace. The only place in the Bible where reference is made to a Prince of Peace is in Isaiah 9:6 which predicted the birth of our Savior, Jesus Christ. Unless, Pope Francis recognizes and worships Mahmoud Abbas as the new Messiah, he dares not to call him an angel of peace.

This is what Pope Franci’s “Angel of Peace” really looks like. Read here. Who said the world is round? It is not round. It is as crooked as hell and getting even more crooked by the day. Who is going to save the world of its madness and false prophets like the Pope of Rome?

For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen. (Revelation 22:18-21).

And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. (Revelation 19:20).

You need to repent Mr. Unholiness Father Pope Francis and denounce the Queen of Heaven if you want to escape the eternal fires of hell.

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Tom Lessing (Discerning the World)

Tom Lessing is the author of the above article. Discerning the World is an internet Christian Ministry based in Johannesburg South Africa. Tom Lessing and Deborah Ellish both own Discerning the World. For more information see the About this Website page below the comments section.

19 Responses

  1. Vic says:

    Thank you!! This is good reading!!

  2. I find it amazing that after this article quite a few of our readers who have been on our mailing list for some time have unsubscribed. Hmmm… just shows you how much Mary is beginning to take hold in peoples lives.

  3. Deborah wrote,

    I find it amazing that after this article quite a few of our readers who have been on our mailing list for some time have unsubscribed. Hmmm… just shows you how much Mary is beginning to take hold in peoples lives.

    Paul wrote,

    for there must be factions [disunity] among you in order that those who are genuine among you may be recognized. (1 Co 11:19)

  4. Letetia Parker says:

    I really appreciate your articles…please continue to sound the alarm. So many of God’s people are asleep and need to awaken to the truth of God’s word. I am amazed that so many who say that they are christians don’t spend time daily reading and studying the scriptures. They find time to do everything else and many times neglect that which is most important.

  5. Robbie says:

    Debs, The same Attie from “Attie se koffie tafel”? (Attie’s coffee table)
    He has waxed. I had an argument with him once on his blog loooong ago.
    I KNEW he was turning!
    His blog was/is quite popular. From there the deserters I guess 🙂

    Yea if you gonna wave the sword you can expect some ligaments to pop.
    My brother was in his pews. oh boy… another one down.

    Just when I thought I could get off my knees.

  6. elizabeth kerr says:

    Jesus warned that apostasy would divide those who call themselves Christians and MOST (scary word!) would turn away from the truth of God and turn against those who continued to accept and obey the truth revealed in the Bible.

  7. Thank you Elizabeth for your comment

  8. Robbie

    Sooner of later EVERYONE turns (sounds like a zombie movie) except for us little genuine Christians.

  9. Thank you Letetia for your comment 🙂

  10. Jerry Pollard says:

    The Interfaith Alliance is a product of apostasy and all Christians should be aware. is a project of the Interfaith Working Group

    The pages referenced here are a good starting point for learning about gay rights, reproductive freedom, the separation of church and state, and the diversity of religious opinion. We also maintain a regularly updated summary of current debates on these issues, and a page of links organized by religious tradition.

    This page is part of the Interfaith Working Group Online, though most of the pages referenced here belong to groups and individuals who are not Interfaith Working Group supporters. For commentaries by our clergy supporters, read our pulpit page.

    This is not what the Bible teaches! It will take courage to preach anti-cultural truths from the pulpit. Why am I so worried? What church leaders in America are preaching, is that we have no need to confront those with an agenda who come against the faith. They say that instead we need to show them love and compassion. Evil sees that as surrender and a validation of their wickedness. Those who think they can ignore, compromise or be ‘equal’ with sin – will be conquered by it. Sin is not content to co-exist alongside righteousness. It will attempt to subjugate and eradicate the righteous so as to avoid any sense of shame for wrongdoing.

    Conservatives have often concentrated on winning political battles, while leaving the culture firmly in the hands of liberals. Despite the victories of the Reagan years and the conservative takeover of Congress, “progressives” continue to dominate the art world, the educational establishment, the entertainment industry, the media, and other culture-making institutions. The inevitable consequence has been family breakdown, sexual promiscuity, abortion, crime, and educational fraud, as well as the inability to distinguish between elephant dung and actual works of art

    Study these sites and know how far the Christian Left has deviated from Scripture.

    This is What the Mainline Churches Think of Us:

    Radical Religious Right Pages (This is a great List for me to use to know the sites I can trust)

    [removed by DTW, I am sorry Jerry but a few of these that you have listed are not Christian, some are Latter Rain / Word of Faith and Freemason. Many radical right ‘Christian’ ministries are not Christian at all.]

  11. Israel Adam Macharro says:

    Hey Deborah hello I saw quite a bit of some false teacher posts. One I believe last time I saw was about Joyce Meyer but anyway. What teachers/preachers do you trust? There’s another one called Charles Stanley. I listen to him also online, but I am wondering if you trust him. Let me know what you found false in him. And what preachers you recommend that you concerned biblically aligned with the bible. Thanks! I got out a lot that’s why and I am in college and I hardly have time to get into a church that I can trust. Anyway I am online a lot more then I am moving around. So much work. But let me know which ones you trust and prefer for me. Thank you!

  12. Israel

    You can visit The Berean Call, Let us Reason and Herescope, they are excellent. Charles Stanley is actually a very confused ‘moderate’ Calvinist (although a million Calvinists would disagree he is is not one at all because he believes in Eternal Security (however its a very warped view on Eternal Security) – Calvinism is a cult that believes God chose people some to be saved and others to burn in hell before they were born, so you have no choice in what to believe because God made that choice for you.

  13. Jasmine says:

    Thank you so much.
    I would like to know too what it means to dream about Jesus? Please let me know.

  14. Hi Jasmine,

    The apostle Paul says in Hebrews,

    God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; (Heb 1:1-2)

    Note that he says in the Old Testament God spoke in diverse ways unto the fathers (patriarchs, kings etc.) by the prophets. These diverse ways were among other things visions and dreams, in a quite breeze and even in a storm at times. When Jesus came to us in the flesh, these diverse ways were no longer necessary because He – the Word made flesh – spoke to the people and is still speaking to us through his written Word, the Bible. Everything that is necessary to know about God, his Son and the Holy Spirit, heaven and hell, the end-times, salvation, sanctification and so forth are contained between the pages of Genesis to Revelation. Peter and two other disciples – James and John – heard God speaking directly to them out of a cloud on the mount of configuration when Moses and Elijah appeared with Jesus on the mount. Just imagine how wonderful and awesome this must have been. Yet Peter writes in his second epistle that we have a more sure word of prophecy than their awesome experience – the Word of God.

    For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty. For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount. We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. (2 Peters 1:16-21).

    Therefore, if I were you, I would rather rely on God’s Word (the Bible) than on dreams and visions. Incidentally, you haven’t told us what your dreams about Jesus are like. Would you mind telling us?

  15. Martin Horan says:

    This is a really good article. I remember reading Avro Manhattan’s “Catholic Terror Today” around the late 1970s, which included pictures of a priests fraternising with the Nazis.
    Chinquy’s “Fifty Years in the Church of Rome” is another book worth reading, of a French priest’s experiences in the Church of Rome. So is the book by John Cornwell, “Hitler’s Pope.” It’s about Pope Pius XII. (Cornwell, himself a Catholic, was allowed access to the Vatican archives. But, unfortunately for the Vatican, Mr Cornwell was more an objective historian than devout Catholic. The same goes for David Yallop, a former Catholic who has published a couple of books on the papacy–“In God’s Name” and “The Power and the Glory.” Edmund Paris’ “The Secret History of the Jesuits” is another book I’d recommend for anyone who wants to know what goes on among the higher echelons of the Vatican.
    It is understandable that Catholics are duped into believing that their church is actually Christian. I was “taught” at Catholic schools so, as a child I believed that the Catholic Church was the true church. But what is really sad is that Protestants believe it is a Christian church. Such a thing is wishful thinking.
    Protestants, especially ecumenical ones, were shocked when the last pope, Benedict, stated that Unam Sanctam still stood–i.e., that there is no salvation outside of the Catholic church. The ecumenists imagined that Vatican II annulled it. However, that was in their minds. It didn’t happen at Vatican II. All that happened was that the then pope (John XXIII) stopped publicly calling Protestants “heretics” but (as a sop to the latter) instead called them “Separated Brethern.” Vatican II said nothing about Unam Sanctam being annulled.
    Wishful thinking is not a good idea. It tends to backfire on the wishful thinkers.

  16. Hannah says:

    Numerous times I have tried to tell my mother of the fallacies of the apparitions of Mary beside the other false teachings of the Catholic church. She told me she does not want to hear it. I believe she is brainwashed. Ever since I have told her the truth she has changed towards me. She will not call ne UNLESS she wants me to do something for her. When I call her the attitude is why are you calling me. I still pray for her but I really believe she does not want to know the truth. She even said to me you and that s—–n bible. I told her there are no saints. I told her the apostle Paul said that everyone who has received Jesus as their Savior is a saint. Her response a winey ” I don’t care, I don’t care!” I told her she is going to care when she dies but then it will be too late. She always hangs up on me. My brother who is supposedly a Christian refuses to say anything to her because he does not want to get her upset. Sometimes I question if he is really born again. A good thing for Catholics to ponder is this: If Mary was born without sin then why couldn’t she die on the cross????

  17. Hannah

    I feel for you Hannah, my grandmother was the same except it was the Word of Faith doctrine (which is nothing other than Roman Catholicism in disguise) and she treated me and my mom in a very similar way. I have cried my heart out over my granny, tried speaking to her but she refused to listen. My mom will be reading this and knows exactly how you feel Hannah. You are not alone.

  18. Robbie,

    Ons moenie verbaas wees nie want die NG Kerk is vir die afgelope paar dekades op ‘n afdraande pad. “Rock-bottom” is nie die woord nie. Die vraag is nou net: wat is die volgende op hulle lys – die aanvaarding van pedofilie? Moet wees, veral as jy kyk na die volgende artikels.

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