What did YOU think Revival meant?

Deborah (Discerning the World)

Discerning the World is an internet Discernment ministry based in Johannesburg South Africa that was founded by Deborah du Rand in 2008. Tom Lessing joined Deborah in May 2013. Tom Lessing founded the website "Waak en Bid/Watch and Pray" which was closed in 2013 and articles moved across to DTW.

11 Responses

  1. Grant C says:

    100%, 100%, 100%

    Matthew 11:

    15He who has ears, let him hear.

    16“To what can I compare this generation? They are like children sitting in the marketplaces and calling out to others:

    17“‘We played the flute for you, and you did not dance; we sang a dirge, and you did not mourn.’

  2. Barland Johnson says:

    Dear Deborah

    thank you to you and your team for your good work. thank you to my brothers and sisters who support your ministry. Your articles on revival are spot on. my heart sank at the news of Paul Washer but cannot say i am surprised about GCC and others alike. But WOW!!
    The thing about people embracing false teachings is that it is birthed when people do not reject lies out right. the WORD of GOD is very simple and straight forward about everything it teaches us. When leaders are enticed to embrace falsehoods they open themselves to delusion and eventually the heart will be turned away from GOD. This then can easily explain why “men” of GOD were preaching love and forgiveness oneday and hatred the next during the time of Hitler. It will also explain why leading Christian leaders were complicit during the Rwandan Genocide. Any falsehood deserves nothing but our contempt and utter disgust must be our only reaction. In this day i have seen friends who loved GOD turn away from the truth and turn to Mammon worshio, to self worship. the churches are emptying out and the temples of Mammon filling up. It is like hyper-Rhema where you pay and pray.
    Once you turn away from GOD and embrace all the false doctrines it is curtains for the heart becomes hardened. Also not surprising is the observation that al these turning away from GOD are men that have preached unbiblical doctrines like the Calvinists. I also see it in the Baptist arena that most have embrace PDC and PDL by R.W. Many pastors and leading Baptist scholars love Tony Campolo, R.W, and even TD Jakes. Finally Piper is coming to SA and will attend at the Florida Baptist. (Is he not reformed and replacementist??)
    Thank you once again and may GOD cause your voice to grow louder and He direct your ministry to reach out whever there is a computer and cellphone.
    GOD Bless you

  3. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    Wow, thank you Barland. Thank you!! I have many researchers, side kicks and wonderful born again Christians friends who help make this possible and JESUS CHRIST because this is HIS website!!

    Everyone needs to know what is happening. We wont be able to stop it because this is the way the world has to go, but we warn people we love to get out, to get back to a strong relationship with Jesus Christ. Time is ruining out. There are those out there who will hear and see and God will pull them out of the horror that is to come in a nick of time.

  4. Pete says:

    Great stuff D.T.W. God bless you
    In His love
    Pete

  5. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    Thanks Pete :))

  6. Amanda says:

    Health warning: do not read this after a meal.

    Here is an excerpt from Ed Silvoso’s foreword to the new book ‘Transform your work life: Turn your ordinary day into an extraordinary’ by Graham Power and Dion Forster:

    God has been speaking eloquently and repeatedly to the church about his heart for, and his upcoming move in, the marketplace. Dr Billy Graham, one of the most respected leaders and surely the most perceptive modern evangelist, has stated that God’s next move will be in the marketplace. His statement is consistent with the words spoken by the prophet Joel and quoted by Peter when he preached the first sermon of the Church Age in Acts 2. God’s Spirit will be poured out on all people (see Acts 2:17, NIV), clearly implying that the end-time revival will happen in the marketplace since that is where most of ‘all people’ reside.

    This book is co-authored by two of God’s choicest gifts to the church and to the world – Graham Power and Dion Forster. It reflects ‘what the Spirit is saying to the churches in this day and age’. Consequently, those who have ears are instructed to hear.

    Many people have written on the subject of marketplace ministry and Dion and Graham are quick and gracious to acknowledge that they stand on the shoulders of early pioneers. But there are at least two important elements that make the content of this book unique: Firstly, it is the collaborative work of a pulpit and a marketplace minister who have and will continue to share in the trenches in God’s kingdom. Their placement in those different, yet complementary arenas enables them to present God’s message in well-balanced stereo. Secondly, it is the result of sound implementation of Biblical principles. It is not theoretical, but practical; fully sustained by experience that serves as an example for others to follow. Graham and Dion’s stories are extraordinary, but they are rooted in ordinary, everyday situations, making the challenge and the instruction appealing and accessible to everyone.

    As someone who has devoted his life to seeing transformation come to cities and nations, I welcome this book and highly and enthusiastically recommend it to anyone with a burden to see our world become a better place as God’s will in heaven begins to be reflected on earth.

    – Ed Silvoso Author Anointed for Business and Transformation CEO International Transformation Network.

    From one of the two of God’s choicest gifts to the church and to the world, Dr. Dion Forster’s book Christ at the Centre – Discovering the Cosmic Christ of Bede Giffiths:

    What I suggest here are merely three ‘further steps’ among many that I believe can arise from the example of Fr Bede’s spirituality as seen in his cosmic Christology. The three are: the courage to seek the truth, the desire to be enriched through encounter with different cultures and religions, and an engagement with a wide array of disciplines outside of traditional theology. I am sure that there are many brighter minds, and more committed hearts, that will find meaningful and helpful further steps to suggest beyond these three.

    Shirley du Boulay pays a fitting tribute to the contribution that Fr Bede’s spirituality has already made in the lives of many. This quote is a fitting conclusion, showing the true significance of Fr Bede’s cosmic Christology, as it arises from his spirituality.

    Bede’s vision was for all humankind, but it is of special importance to Christians. Through his own great longing to reach the reality beyond the opposites, the mystical union that he was convinced lay at the heart of every religion, he helped today’s Christian to realise that it is possible to follow a mystical path and remain within the institutional church. In his humility and confidence of the truth of his experience he challenged the Church and left an image of an inclusive Christian for the future, once more his own example, his courage, inspiring others to follow his instincts…. He was like yeast, leavening the flour and water of institutional religion, seeing its point of transcendence where all is one and where all is love. In his life and thought, Bede Griffiths eventually found the meeting place between the opposites. His whole life and thought culminated in the knowledge that beyond the opposites, beyond the darkness, was ‘that Great Person, of the brightness of the sun’ (1998:292).

  7. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    Amanda

    >> God has been speaking eloquently and repeatedly to the church about his heart for, and his upcoming move in, the marketplace. Dr Billy Graham, one of the most respected leaders and surely the most perceptive modern evangelist, has stated that God’s next move will be in the marketplace. His statement is consistent with the words spoken by the prophet Joel and quoted by Peter when he preached the first sermon of the Church Age in Acts 2. God’s Spirit will be poured out on all people (see Acts 2:17, NIV), clearly implying that the end-time revival will happen in the marketplace since that is where most of ‘all people’ reside.

    HAHAHAHAHA. NO, you kidding!!!

    He says: “God’s Spirit will be poured out on all people (see Acts 2:17, NIV), clearly implying that the end-time revival will happen in the marketplace since that is where most of ‘all people’ reside.”

    What a load of utter rubbish. And you know the worst part. Everyone will actually agree with this. How utterly foolish are these people.

    >> Many people have written on the subject of marketplace ministry and Dion and Graham are quick and gracious to acknowledge that they stand on the shoulders of early pioneers

    Stand on their shoulders? My, how humble they are. But this too is a load of rubbish. The New Apostolic Reformation have ALL (like thousands of them) have been preaching this nonsense for years. The early pioneer they are speaking about is Peter Drucker. I am not sure he can carry the weight of Graham and Dion. Shame, poor guys idea has been hijacked.

    >> From one of the two of God’s choicest gifts to the church and to the world. Dr. Dion Forster’s book Christ at the Centre – Discovering the Cosmic Christ of Bede Giffiths.

    My word, Dion ‘Cosmic Christ’ Forster’s book has replaced the bible. What’s the other gift to the world? Graham powers book? I must say Dion I never saw that one coming. But never fear I am still way ahead of what you are upto on everything else 🙂

  8. Amanda says:

    An endorsement by Rev Trevor Hudson for the book ‘Transform your work life’ by Graham Power and Dion Forster:

    “At long last we have a book that affirms our daily workplace as a primary place for us to live out our faith. Few people are better placed and more equipped to show us the way than Dion Forster and Graham Power…. I pray that this book will enable many individuals the world over to see their work as a means of dignity, love and provision, both for themselves and their neighbour.”

    – Rev Trevor Hudson, South African Pastor and Author.

    You can learn more about Trevor Hudson from Part 3 – A biblical appraisal of the Mosaic Congress held at the Mosaic Church in Fairlands, Johannesburg (4-5 Sept. 2009)

    Christians are beacons of light that illuminate the way to heaven by their preaching of the unadulterated Word of God and their sanctified lives. Like John the Baptist they ought to point to Jesus Christ and declare “There is the Lamb of God that takes away the sins of the world.” John the Baptist never performed any miracles and neither did he pour himself out on behalf of others to alleviate their suffering, poverty and misery. And yet Jesus hailed him the greatest prophet born of women because he never compromised the Word of God for the sake of a unifying spiritual journey. Also when Paul said that he was being poured out he was merely referring to his life that was nearing its end and not to a life of service to the poor and the destitute (2 Timothy 4:6). In the other instance where he mentions him being offered as a libation sacrifice, he did so on behalf of the faith of his brothers and sisters and not to ease their poverty and dire circumstances (Philippians 2:17). I’m not in the very least suggesting that they had no compassion for the poor and their suffering.

    Throughout the Congress the speakers eulogized the need for experience, mysticism, intuition, thoughtlessness, silence, passive sitting, awareness while they downplayed rationalism, thinking, studying, understanding, i.e. everything that relates to man’s cognitive capacities. It predictably leads to the assumption that the transformation (transfiguration) of an individual is not accomplished through the cognitive learning, understanding or knowledge of certain doctrines. Biblical exposés such as “Be transformed by the renewing of your mind” are no longer tolerable in our post-modern enlightened society. Instead, the “truth” is passively received by means of a mystical induction or infusion when the mind moves beyond reason through deep contemplative and silent meditation. You will recall that Johan Geyser said it is not acquired but induced by just sitting and being in a state of complete silence. Well of course, the expediency in this is that it eliminates disagreement, factions or divisions, conflicts and war because no one needs to defend the doctrines of a particular faith; we are all induced with a like-mindedness that has its origin in the same source — a generic god who is equally at home in Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam, Judaism etc. etc. etc. You may also recall that in my previous comment I said “It is said that a guru is capable of transmitting his own state of being (love, compassion, empathy, intuition and aliveness) to the receptive pilgrims who sit with him at his feet.” In Buddhism this is called TO BECOME ENLIGTENED.

  9. Elmarie A says:

    Amanda & Deborah (Discerning the World)

    I cannot help but think that in the OT these people would have been stoned for their heresies!

    Leviticus 24:23
    Then Moses spoke to the Israelites, and they took the blasphemer outside the camp and stoned him. The Israelites did as the LORD commanded Moses.

  10. Michael says:

    Ps 2

    Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?

    2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the Lord, and against his anointed, saying,

    3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.

    4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.

    5 Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.

    6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.

    7 I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

  11. Michael says:

    There will be no revival…I quoted ps 2 becauses it depicts a UN type of world government (and religion) opposed against the true Lord Jesus Christ.