IHOP’S
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General Healing Rooms
“No pre-registration is required for the general healing rooms. Upon arrival, simply sign up with the receptionist at the front desk. You will then be led into the prayer room for a time of silent soaking prayer before being taken into one of the healing rooms for a time of focused, private prayer. The healing rooms are staffed with teams of two to three healing ministers who will pray for you, anointing you with oil if you desire. Each minister has a separate role in order to provide those who are seeking healing a comfortable, encouraging, and loving experience.” [1] [Emphasis added]
[DTW note: silent soaking prayer is just another deceptive term for contemplative prayer. Note they have silent soaking prayer and then focused private prayer. No wonder everyone is confused, no one just says what they mean anymore. What they mean is this; first they teach you the OCCULT way of prayer (contemplative meditation/prayer) and then you can do the normal biblical standard way of praying.]
Bethany Healing Room
“The Bethany Room is designated for the critically and terminally ill. The same healing model is used in the Bethany Room except that contemplative prayer is used during the prayer time. Contemplative prayer is silent prayer communing with the Holy Spirit who dwells inside of believers in Jesus. This style of prayer provides a peaceful and restful atmosphere while those ministering cry out to the Lord in silence for healing. The one receiving ministry is taught how to pray through and meditate on scriptures concerning healing while communing with the indwelling Spirit. “If the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you” (Rom. 8:11). ” [1] [Emphasis added]
[DTW note:
- Firstly, how disgusting that the use this occult technique on the critically ill.
- Secondly, major abuse of Romans 8:11 as this verse in no way applies that one prays to the Holy Spirit let alone condones contemplative prayer/meditation.
- You do NOT pray to the Holy Spirit.
- The Holy Spirit councils us, guides us and CONVICTS US OF SIN.
- We do not communicate with the Holy Spirit. He helps us and intercedes for us with words that we cannot express. Romans 8:26-27
- The Holy Spirit will ALWAYS point us to Jesus Christ the Son of God for repentance of sin - we pray to Jesus Christ as he is our mediator to our Heavenly Father.
- The Holy Spirit will always point us to the Bible for answers.
- The Holy Spirit helps us understand scripture.
They say; "The one receiving ministry is taught how to pray through and meditate on scriptures..." Pray THROUGH scriptures?! The Bible says:
John 14:6 6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through ME
Yet, at IHOP they are taught to pray through scripture.
Repeat: "Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through ME"
Repeat: Yet, they are taught to pray through scripture. So you can take a Psalm for instance and pray through the psalm to God for healing.
Repeat: "Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through ME"
Should I repeat it one more time? Nah I think you got it.]
[Edited 5 Jan 2010 - Yes, The Word is Jesus, and Jesus Christ is the Word made Flesh. John 1:1 “1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”
The focus of meditation is not Jesus Christ the Son of God. The focus or starting point of meditation is on anything else but HIM. We do not pray through scripture, texts, the prayer itself does not intercede, the Bible itself is not the ‘mediator’, silence does not connect us to God, we do not breath God in and out of us either, vein repetition of words or verses or entire passages from the Bible means nothing. Jesus is the Word yes, but we do not pray through the Word. Contemplative Spirituality uses any other means necessary to reach God other than His Son Jesus Christ.
------------------------------------------------ Notes: Source: [1] International House of Prayer – Healing Ministry – Healing Rooms Image: http://www.ihop.org ————————————————
A couple of things wrong with your article, not that they prove IHOP is right (I think they are) but that your discussion is meaningless.
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I agree when you say “The Holy Spirit will ALWAYS point us to Jesus Christ the Son of God for repentance of sin”
But we do not “pray through Jesus Christ to our Heavenly Father.” We pray (or can pray when we know not what to pray for) *through* the Holy Spirit. Not *to* but *through* the Spirit [of God] to God.
“26 In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groans that words cannot express. 27 And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints in accordance with God’s will.” (Romans 8:26-27) (http://bit.ly/4CMcl0)
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Now I’m not even sure what point your trying to make about praying through the Scripture. . . The Scriptures are God’s Holy and Divinely ordained Words, it is God. (Jn 1:1 “1^ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”) The Word is Jesus, (So in a way you could say praying through the Word is praying through Jesus, something you seem to agree with that I disagree with for the reason given above.).
I’m not completely sure how IHOP defines “through” but I would guess it simply means praying Scripture, as in taking a verse or praise or a promise and repeating Gods words back to Him. Would you say that is un-Biblical or wrong?
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Signed:
a sinner, saved by Grace, struggling for the Truth: Jackson
Jackson
>> But we do not “pray through Jesus Christ to our Heavenly Father.”
Sorry I meant to say TO not THROUGH. We pray TO JESUS CHRIST as HE is our mediator to our Heavenly FATHER. That was a typing error and a bad one at that, my apologies.
>> “26 In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groans that words cannot express. 27^ And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints in accordance with God’s will.” (Romans 8:26-27)
So yes ‘in the same way the Spirit HELPS US in our weakness” on what to pray when we just don’t know what to say at times. He abides in us and searches our hearts and gives us words to say that at that moment in accordance with God’s will. We do not pray to the Holy Spirit.
Right…next
Now this one I am correct on with no typing errors.
>> Jesus Christ is the Word made Flesh. John 1:1 “1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”
The Word is Jesus.
Absolutely
BUT the concept of meditation is not Jesus Christ the Son of God as the focus on who they pray to, so repetition of words from scripture is not correct (the words, the scripture, the texts, the prayer itself, becomes the ‘mediator’.) Jesus is the Word yes, but we do not pray through the Word.
>> IHOP is right (I think they are) but that your discussion is meaningless.
And no they are NOT and neither is Mike Bickle and the history of IHOP and the rubbish that they preach and who they have accosciated with over the years is more than enough proof. What you ‘think’ and what the evidence shows makes what ‘you think’ meaningless.
Again sorry for confusion.
Now you can apologise :) Thank you.
Jackson
I have edited and replace the word ‘through’ with to. Make sense? Great.
POST BY JACKSON MOVED FROM The Rapture – An Article to Knock Your Socks Off 2010/01/14 at 4:17am
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You leave me very confused, on the one hand is IHOP-KC with very scriptural teaching, plus some rather questionable mystical things. On the other is you, the complete opposite in almost everything beyond basic catechismic beliefs, with some really good scripture points, but also some rather twisted ones. I believe that both of you are genuinely seeking God from your speech and actions, yet you come to such different ends. There are other things, the deep unsettledness I feel from your rather to-common il-logical statements and conclusions, yet for all the hype and seeming longing after God and working of the Holy Spirit at Onething ‘09 the rather poor (musically, vocally, and enthusiastically) worship at youth group touched my heart so much more with Truths of God’s Word. (“He sees the depths of my heart and He loves me the same” -Isn’t that amazing, God sees us fully, yet he loves us wretched things.)
Anyway, I’m still starting on that responses to the comments leveled at me, and maybe later will have the time to go through your dialouge on pre/post trib rapture.
A wondering sinner Saved by Grace:
Jackson
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@ Jackson . . . Sorry for repeating myself but I would really like to hear your testimony on how you came to the Lord… It will clear up a lot of “misunderstanding” and will give me a better understanding of where your are coming from in you questions…
Blessings