Thanks Mike for the link.

You said “Lighthouse Trails published a book exposing Calvinism earlier this year which brought them much flak and loss of support.”

Yes, when you tell it like it is, you end up with no support. DTW is a case in point lol. And if you are running a business as LHT are doing with selling books, I am sure it impacted their sales in a huge way, because I tell you now, there are so many Calvinists out there it’s frightening. I do take my hat off to them and pray God looks after them financially, now that they have spoken out against the evils of Calvinism.

You said “I honestly compare defending Calvin to saying something like this “Well, I may not agree with everything Jim Jones did back in the ’70’s, but hey, that was a different era and I think you can admire a man’s theology regardless of his leadership faults…””

Totally agree. That statement made an impact.

Ja, it’s sickening…

Hi Debs. Have you forgotten these verses in the Bible?

For the Son of man is come to seek and to save the elect only. (Luke 19:10).

I came not to call the reprobate, but only the elect to repentance. (Luke 5:32).

The person who said this is also called Jesus (2 Corinthians 11:4).

Nonetheless, I can prove to you that Jesus came to earth only for the elect. Listen to this pristine testimony.

“PHIL: “So you’re saying, are you saying it would be difficult for you to put your finger on when your conversion took place?”

And I guess that’s, in some ways that’s a grace act on God’s part. So that all that wonderful training found some level of fertile soil in my heart and none of it was wasted.” (Emphasis added).

Now, doesn’t this sound so much like the publican who, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, crying out to God in agony, God be merciful to me a sinner?

Not really! Fancy that, with a single sweep of the brush, John MacArthur obliterates the first letter “T” in the acronym TULIP. When he was a kid, he tells us, “Total Depravity” had NO part in the fiber of his pristine garment of self-righteousness.

In fact, he tells us in his own pristine self-righteous words that he never was so totally depraved as he likes to tell others how totally depraved they are.

Calvinists just love to remind other wretched sinners how depraved they are, even to the extent that it renders them completely powerless, incapable, and impotent to believe the Gospel, while they (like our learned and respected friend, John MacArthur) glory in their own pitiful self-righteous abilities to believe and never to rebel or revolt against God and his Gospel. This is Pharisaic hypocrisy at its very best.

Debs, did you know that John 8 was never written in the way we are used to read it. It should read as follows:

Jesus went unto the mount of Olives. And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him, and he sat down, and taught them. And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst, They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act. Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou? This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not. So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground. Then suddenly a fine looking and well-groomed gentleman with a receding hairline combed backward stepped forward and said with much confidence: “I am worthy to cast the first stone because I have never rebelled (sinned) and always believed. I already have a huge stone in my right hand which I like to call ‘CALVINISM’ or ‘DOCTRINES OF GRACE.’ I can crush her litte reporbate head with one blow.” Jesus asked him: “And who are you, my dear sir and from whence do you come?” “My name is John Fullerton MavcArthur. I am an American pastor and author known for my internationally syndicated Christian teaching radio program Grace to You. I have been the pastor-teacher of Grace Community Church in Sun Valley, California, since February 9, 1969. Don’t you ever read Wikipedia? My mentror and teacher has always been the honorable serial killer, John Calvin. That’s how I learned how to kill the reprobate with my ‘NEVERRR-REBELLED-AND-ALWAYS-BELIEVED-CALVINIST-STONE.” Jesus asked him. “But why would you do such a great honor-killing for me? It sounds so familiar in certain other religions” MacArthur boastfully answers. “Because I have seen from your Word that you only love people like me, the elect and that you are going to send the non-elect to hell for your glory. Have you forgotten that you have great pleasure in sending them to hell?” Surely, you must have read Ezekiel 33:11. Jesus said to him. Tallyho, John Fullerton MacArthur. You surely have the right to cast the first stone for my honour. So, go ahead!

And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience that Calvinism is true, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: And stoned the reprobate harlot to death. for the glory and honour of God.

The sad part about coming out of Word of Faith or another ‘Christian’ cult is, you prayed for God to open your eyes or you listened to that warning the Holy Spirit gave you with regards to what you were currently believing and involved in. So you leave the denomination and unfortunately most land up in Calvinism, because their preaching is so close to the truth it’s frightening. But this is where the saddest part comes in, the person when confronted with the truth as to what Calvinism is, can’t believe that they would land up in more false teaching…They say “But God opened my eyes to doctrine of demons that Word of Faith etc is, why would He allow me to land up in another false denomination” And because of this, people get caught even deeper into the cult of Calvinism. Because they believe God sent them the Calvinist way… YOU ARE HIS ELECT.

People don’t understand that just because God opens your eyes to the truth regarding one belief system, doesn’t mean Satan is going to stop his attacks on you, in fact they intensify. You are confused as it is and it’s the perfect opportunity to hijack you – into one of the biggest delusions of all: Calvinism.

Because people don’t love the truth, people don’t love Jesus Christ enough…that they end up in doctrines that are worse than the first and never make it out.

2 Thessalonians 2:9-12 9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Calvinists WANT to believe in the most PRIDEFUL thing of all; that God would CHOSE them to be HIS ELECT over someone else and that other person is going to hell and there is nothing that other person can do about it. It’s sickening. It’s nothing but HATE personified toward your neighbor, and love for oneself amplified.

To think I landed up in Calvinism for a very short while, a week? I forget now. It was a short time. What a shocker it was when I realised how John MacArthur was lying to me through his sermons. I jumped ship, on no wait… I kicked JMA off my ship. https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/03/30/false-teachers-what-do-you-do-when/

Amen Mike!

You said it so well. :hi5:

I’ve read the article awa all of the comments.(Appreciate Toddot and Burning Lamp’s comments)

You know, deception is the traditional christian’s biggest enemy and blinds them totally from the Truth – it makes them believe their own truth because the Holy Spirit is not IN them to guide and teach them about the only real Truth.

I can say this because I have been there – now that I have seen the Light I just want to say to the decieved – as long as you question GOD regarding His Love(John3:16) and intentions(Jer.29:11) and your first priority isn’t to worship Him (because of your rightiousness in Christ Jesus) in obedience and in faith(Heb.11:6) – you should seriously question your salvation.

When you are born again from above you will be lead by the Spirit and everything which does not have eternal value will become unimportant.
The only ‘thing’ you will desire from a thankful heart is to have a relationship with your Savior.

You will be so in awe of GOD and His sacrifice of Love that you will gladly accept that He is God and you are not.

Much love in Christ.

Tell me something, how do you know you are elect and not part of the group chosen to go to hell? You can’t tell me it’s because you accepted Jesus Christ because the P in Calvinism’s TULIP is Perseverance to the end – what happens if you don’t persevere enough? That means you are not elect, you are a reprobate.

You may as well become a Muslim, they too are Elect but never really sure they will make it into heaven.