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	Comments on: NAR Invasion of SA &#8211; Rick Joyner, Angus Buchan, Danie Slabbert, Nevil Norden @ Apostolic Prophetic Conference &#8211; July 2012	</title>
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		By: les sanabria		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi! I am Pastor Les Sanabria. I watched on tv as millions went to Bloemfontein for that huge day of prayer. What got me worried was the fact that Angus stated on national tv that in September 2017 we would have a Christian country. At the most recent meeting in Pretoria Angus claimed that God had answered the Bloemfontein prayers. Now as a Pentecostal and South African citizen, how is it possible to make the claim that we have a new Christian government when all we get on the news is more corruption and increased violence. I contend that we are faced with increased lawlessness and everybody doing what is right in their own eyes. Angus failed the test of a prophet and if we were in the days of Deuteronomy I guess he would have been stoned. It is sad that people do not endure sound doctrine. God bless you]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi! I am Pastor Les Sanabria. I watched on tv as millions went to Bloemfontein for that huge day of prayer. What got me worried was the fact that Angus stated on national tv that in September 2017 we would have a Christian country. At the most recent meeting in Pretoria Angus claimed that God had answered the Bloemfontein prayers. Now as a Pentecostal and South African citizen, how is it possible to make the claim that we have a new Christian government when all we get on the news is more corruption and increased violence. I contend that we are faced with increased lawlessness and everybody doing what is right in their own eyes. Angus failed the test of a prophet and if we were in the days of Deuteronomy I guess he would have been stoned. It is sad that people do not endure sound doctrine. God bless you</p>
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		By: Deborah (Discerning the World)		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 20 May 2017 14:22:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2012/06/15/nar-invasion-of-sa-rick-joyner-angus-buchan-danie-slabbert-nevil-norden-apostolic-prophetic-conference-july-2012/#comment-455989&quot;&gt;MaryAnn Sykes&lt;/a&gt;.

Dear MaryAnn Sykes

:thankyou: for your comment, we really appreciate it, we really do.

Here are the two articles: 

&lt;a href=&quot;https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2017/04/06/its-time/&quot;&gt;IT’S TIME – Transformation South Africa&lt;/a&gt; - by Tom
&lt;a href=&quot;https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2017/04/19/angus-buchan-time-unite-faiths-under-rome/&quot;&gt;Angus Buchan – It’s Time to Unite All Faiths under Rome&lt;/a&gt; - by Deborah]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2012/06/15/nar-invasion-of-sa-rick-joyner-angus-buchan-danie-slabbert-nevil-norden-apostolic-prophetic-conference-july-2012/#comment-455989" >MaryAnn Sykes</a>.</p>
<p>Dear MaryAnn Sykes</p>
<p>:thankyou: for your comment, we really appreciate it, we really do.</p>
<p>Here are the two articles: </p>
<p><a href="https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2017/04/06/its-time/" >IT’S TIME – Transformation South Africa</a> &#8211; by Tom<br />
<a href="https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2017/04/19/angus-buchan-time-unite-faiths-under-rome/" >Angus Buchan – It’s Time to Unite All Faiths under Rome</a> &#8211; by Deborah</p>
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		By: MaryAnn Sykes		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 20 May 2017 12:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi Deborah
A very sincere thank you for the above article and especially for taking time to give an answer to all those people who have posted comments. It is heart-warming to find a like-minded believer and so many others who think along the same lines as you do. I am looking forward to reading your new article promised:
&quot;Tom and I are both doing 2 articles on the new National Prayer Day by Angus Buchan on the 22nd April. Keep an eye out for these.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Deborah<br />
A very sincere thank you for the above article and especially for taking time to give an answer to all those people who have posted comments. It is heart-warming to find a like-minded believer and so many others who think along the same lines as you do. I am looking forward to reading your new article promised:<br />
&#8220;Tom and I are both doing 2 articles on the new National Prayer Day by Angus Buchan on the 22nd April. Keep an eye out for these.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Carrie Shaw		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 May 2017 12:26:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Bottom line, folks, YOU are responsible for your own salvation!  YOU need to study the scriptures daily (like the Bereans in Acts) to know if what is taught to you is true or not.  YOU are responsible to NOT surround yourself with what your itching ears want to hear, but to go to the Bible and ask God to show the truth from the lies.   2 Timothy 4:3, 2 Corinthians 11:12-1.  Satan is out there masquerading as an angel of light to deceive the masses.  Don&#039;t be one of them.  Know and study the Bible for yourself!!  It&#039;s a pre-requisite for having a relationship with God in the first place.   Duh!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bottom line, folks, YOU are responsible for your own salvation!  YOU need to study the scriptures daily (like the Bereans in Acts) to know if what is taught to you is true or not.  YOU are responsible to NOT surround yourself with what your itching ears want to hear, but to go to the Bible and ask God to show the truth from the lies.   2 Timothy 4:3, 2 Corinthians 11:12-1.  Satan is out there masquerading as an angel of light to deceive the masses.  Don&#8217;t be one of them.  Know and study the Bible for yourself!!  It&#8217;s a pre-requisite for having a relationship with God in the first place.   Duh!</p>
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		By: Evangelist Connie van Wyk		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Apr 2017 08:11:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		By: Deborah (Discerning the World)		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Apr 2017 08:46:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2012/06/15/nar-invasion-of-sa-rick-joyner-angus-buchan-danie-slabbert-nevil-norden-apostolic-prophetic-conference-july-2012/#comment-454958&quot;&gt;Humbly Berean&lt;/a&gt;.

Dear Humbly Berean

Thank you for your comment!!! I really appreciate it. :nod:

Tom and I are both doing 2 articles on the new National Prayer Day by Angus Buchan on the 22nd April.  Keep an eye out for these.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2012/06/15/nar-invasion-of-sa-rick-joyner-angus-buchan-danie-slabbert-nevil-norden-apostolic-prophetic-conference-july-2012/#comment-454958" >Humbly Berean</a>.</p>
<p>Dear Humbly Berean</p>
<p>Thank you for your comment!!! I really appreciate it. :nod:</p>
<p>Tom and I are both doing 2 articles on the new National Prayer Day by Angus Buchan on the 22nd April.  Keep an eye out for these.</p>
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		By: Humbly Berean		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Apr 2017 07:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Robbie

I wish the MEN of South Africa would wake up. I am going to now be even bolder and say this; it is a shame that I (a woman) am left to DISCERN the error because all the men are braai’ing at the MMC’s slurping up every story that comes out of Angus Buchan’s mouth, thinking he must be just what a ‘man of God’ must look like. The men of this country would not know what the true Word of God was if it jumped out and bit them on the nose – this is how far gone they are. (Of course I am not speaking about everyone, I am speaking about everyone that attends Angus Buchans camps and conferences).

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Deborah
Well said. I&#039;m a woman also. Where are the MEN of God? They are sorry to say spineless to stand up for truth...but don&#039;t you dare touch their sport and braai....their stomach is their god....their cars they boast in...other men they follow....lust of the eyes lust of the flesh and the pride of life - for these they lost sobriety, became drunk with the wiles of society, making their shame their boast...and yes it includes women. But houses fall because men allow it for either succumbing to jezebel and ashtoreth or for being so overbearing everyone flees, in general. I&#039;m not married yet and thankfully had a dad who was a true man of God. I thank God for his example daily. 
Society needs more such men.....some commenting here seem to be some. Keep the faith we all need the encouragement.
Men take your family and go camping. Thats a mighty man.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>Robbie</p>
<p>I wish the MEN of South Africa would wake up. I am going to now be even bolder and say this; it is a shame that I (a woman) am left to DISCERN the error because all the men are braai’ing at the MMC’s slurping up every story that comes out of Angus Buchan’s mouth, thinking he must be just what a ‘man of God’ must look like. The men of this country would not know what the true Word of God was if it jumped out and bit them on the nose – this is how far gone they are. (Of course I am not speaking about everyone, I am speaking about everyone that attends Angus Buchans camps and conferences).</p>
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<p>Deborah<br />
Well said. I&#8217;m a woman also. Where are the MEN of God? They are sorry to say spineless to stand up for truth&#8230;but don&#8217;t you dare touch their sport and braai&#8230;.their stomach is their god&#8230;.their cars they boast in&#8230;other men they follow&#8230;.lust of the eyes lust of the flesh and the pride of life &#8211; for these they lost sobriety, became drunk with the wiles of society, making their shame their boast&#8230;and yes it includes women. But houses fall because men allow it for either succumbing to jezebel and ashtoreth or for being so overbearing everyone flees, in general. I&#8217;m not married yet and thankfully had a dad who was a true man of God. I thank God for his example daily.<br />
Society needs more such men&#8230;..some commenting here seem to be some. Keep the faith we all need the encouragement.<br />
Men take your family and go camping. Thats a mighty man.</p>
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		By: Deborah (Discerning the World)		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Mar 2017 08:45:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2012/06/15/nar-invasion-of-sa-rick-joyner-angus-buchan-danie-slabbert-nevil-norden-apostolic-prophetic-conference-july-2012/#comment-454158&quot;&gt;Andries J Taljaard&lt;/a&gt;.

Dear Andries

I picked up you are part of the &lt;strong&gt;Hebrew Roots movement&lt;/strong&gt; with your sacred names nonsense.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2012/06/15/nar-invasion-of-sa-rick-joyner-angus-buchan-danie-slabbert-nevil-norden-apostolic-prophetic-conference-july-2012/#comment-454158" >Andries J Taljaard</a>.</p>
<p>Dear Andries</p>
<p>I picked up you are part of the <strong>Hebrew Roots movement</strong> with your sacred names nonsense.</p>
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		By: Deborah (Discerning the World)		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Mar 2017 08:33:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2012/06/15/nar-invasion-of-sa-rick-joyner-angus-buchan-danie-slabbert-nevil-norden-apostolic-prophetic-conference-july-2012/#comment-454157&quot;&gt;Ronel&lt;/a&gt;.

Dear Ronel

You said &quot;I am sure you are convinced you are right and believe it, but if you are concerned why not set up meetings with the leaders you are criticizing in public, discuss your concerns, surely that will be the responsible thing to do...&quot;

&lt;strong&gt;Please quote biblical scripture to back up your comment.&lt;/strong&gt;  Where in the bible does it say I must set up meetings with false teachers and discuss their PUBLIC teachings with them before I go and warn the public on their PUBLIC false teachings? When the Aposle Paul warned the churches about false teaches he sent letters to the churches warning them immediately - letters took WEEK and months to reach their intended recipients. Unfortunately he didn&#039;t have the luxury of the internet and email and getting his message out immediately to WARN people of impending damnation of their souls should they be hoodwinked into believing false teachers.  He &lt;strong&gt;didn&#039;t set up meetings first&lt;/strong&gt;, have a cuppa java and tell them, &quot;look here I&#039;m setting up this meeting with you to tell you I am going public with your PUBLIC false teaching. Are you happy with that? Must I give you a hug to prepare you?&quot; 

Tell me, why didn&#039;t you ask to set up a meeting with me before you went public with your comment? Or don&#039;t you practice what you preach?

&lt;strong&gt;Rick Joyner, Danie Slabbert, Nevil Norden and Angus Buchan can come here and comment in public&lt;/strong&gt; and tell us why they are preaching false teaching and align themselves together in a happy little camp of evil false teachers.

You said &quot;All of us interpret the Bible differemtly, and we need to seek the Truth for sure, but that does not make you right.&quot;

Really?? So everyone has their OWN interpretation of the bible? Tell me is Islam, Buddhism and Hinduism right with their interpretation of scripture?  How can you seek &lt;strong&gt;THE &lt;/strong&gt;truth (singular) if everyone has their own interpretation (plural). If we are to go by your reasoning then you are not right either.  If you are wrong and Rick Joyner and Angus Buchan are wrong how can you tell me I am wrong when you don&#039;t know what is right?

The bible says:

John 10:4
When he has brought out all who are his own, he goes on ahead of them, and his sheep follow him because &lt;strong&gt;they know his voice.&lt;/strong&gt;

John 10:14
I am the good shepherd. &lt;strong&gt;I know My sheep and My sheep know Me,&lt;/strong&gt;

John 10:16
I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them in as well, and &lt;strong&gt;they will listen to My voice.&lt;/strong&gt; Then there will be one flock and one shepherd.

All born again Christians listen to one voice, one Truth, one true Gospel.  Of you don&#039;t, you are &lt;strong&gt;not &lt;/strong&gt;born again.

You WANT to follow ANOTHER gospel that is not of Jesus Christ, that is the crux of the matter.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2012/06/15/nar-invasion-of-sa-rick-joyner-angus-buchan-danie-slabbert-nevil-norden-apostolic-prophetic-conference-july-2012/#comment-454157" >Ronel</a>.</p>
<p>Dear Ronel</p>
<p>You said &#8220;I am sure you are convinced you are right and believe it, but if you are concerned why not set up meetings with the leaders you are criticizing in public, discuss your concerns, surely that will be the responsible thing to do&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Please quote biblical scripture to back up your comment.</strong>  Where in the bible does it say I must set up meetings with false teachers and discuss their PUBLIC teachings with them before I go and warn the public on their PUBLIC false teachings? When the Aposle Paul warned the churches about false teaches he sent letters to the churches warning them immediately &#8211; letters took WEEK and months to reach their intended recipients. Unfortunately he didn&#8217;t have the luxury of the internet and email and getting his message out immediately to WARN people of impending damnation of their souls should they be hoodwinked into believing false teachers.  He <strong>didn&#8217;t set up meetings first</strong>, have a cuppa java and tell them, &#8220;look here I&#8217;m setting up this meeting with you to tell you I am going public with your PUBLIC false teaching. Are you happy with that? Must I give you a hug to prepare you?&#8221; </p>
<p>Tell me, why didn&#8217;t you ask to set up a meeting with me before you went public with your comment? Or don&#8217;t you practice what you preach?</p>
<p><strong>Rick Joyner, Danie Slabbert, Nevil Norden and Angus Buchan can come here and comment in public</strong> and tell us why they are preaching false teaching and align themselves together in a happy little camp of evil false teachers.</p>
<p>You said &#8220;All of us interpret the Bible differemtly, and we need to seek the Truth for sure, but that does not make you right.&#8221;</p>
<p>Really?? So everyone has their OWN interpretation of the bible? Tell me is Islam, Buddhism and Hinduism right with their interpretation of scripture?  How can you seek <strong>THE </strong>truth (singular) if everyone has their own interpretation (plural). If we are to go by your reasoning then you are not right either.  If you are wrong and Rick Joyner and Angus Buchan are wrong how can you tell me I am wrong when you don&#8217;t know what is right?</p>
<p>The bible says:</p>
<p>John 10:4<br />
When he has brought out all who are his own, he goes on ahead of them, and his sheep follow him because <strong>they know his voice.</strong></p>
<p>John 10:14<br />
I am the good shepherd. <strong>I know My sheep and My sheep know Me,</strong></p>
<p>John 10:16<br />
I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them in as well, and <strong>they will listen to My voice.</strong> Then there will be one flock and one shepherd.</p>
<p>All born again Christians listen to one voice, one Truth, one true Gospel.  Of you don&#8217;t, you are <strong>not </strong>born again.</p>
<p>You WANT to follow ANOTHER gospel that is not of Jesus Christ, that is the crux of the matter.</p>
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		By: Andries J Taljaard		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[You are supposed to teach and care for His flock - But I did not pick up that any of you know the Name of our Father and His Son.

How is the name YHWH Pronounced
Almost 7,000 times in the English translations of the original Hebrew Texts the translators take out the
Sacred name of our Creator YHWH and replace it with either the word God or Lord.
The Father tells us what his personal name is for all of eternity;
Exo 3:15 And Elohim said to Moses again, You shall say this to the sons of Israel, YHWH, the
Elohim of your fathers, the Elohim of Abraham, the Elohim of Isaac, and the Elohim of Jacob, has
sent me to you. This is My name forever, and this is My memorial from generation to generation.
The third commandment tells us “You shall not take the name of YHWH your Elohim in vain.” In vain
means to change, falsify or to make common. A child could see that taking out the personal name of
YHWH or in Hebrew, it is the letters Yod, Hey, Vav, Hey, almost 7,000 times and replacing it with a
generic title of lord or god is definitely breaking the third commandment.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are supposed to teach and care for His flock &#8211; But I did not pick up that any of you know the Name of our Father and His Son.</p>
<p>How is the name YHWH Pronounced<br />
Almost 7,000 times in the English translations of the original Hebrew Texts the translators take out the<br />
Sacred name of our Creator YHWH and replace it with either the word God or Lord.<br />
The Father tells us what his personal name is for all of eternity;<br />
Exo 3:15 And Elohim said to Moses again, You shall say this to the sons of Israel, YHWH, the<br />
Elohim of your fathers, the Elohim of Abraham, the Elohim of Isaac, and the Elohim of Jacob, has<br />
sent me to you. This is My name forever, and this is My memorial from generation to generation.<br />
The third commandment tells us “You shall not take the name of YHWH your Elohim in vain.” In vain<br />
means to change, falsify or to make common. A child could see that taking out the personal name of<br />
YHWH or in Hebrew, it is the letters Yod, Hey, Vav, Hey, almost 7,000 times and replacing it with a<br />
generic title of lord or god is definitely breaking the third commandment.</p>
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