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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2012/01/24/heaven-is-for-real-this-story-is-not/#comment-492592&quot;&gt;John&lt;/a&gt;.

In reply to John.

Dave Hunt writes:

&lt;strong&gt;UNHOLY MOTHER&lt;/strong&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;A System Made for Prostitution &lt;/strong&gt;

For centuries the priesthood was largely hereditary. Most priests were the sons of other priests and bishops. More than one pope was the illegitimate son of a previous and supposedly celibate pope. For example, Pope Sylverius (536-7) was fathered by Pope Hormisdas (514-23), and John XI (931-5) by Sergius III (904-11) of his favorite mistress, Marozia, to whom we referred earlier.  Among the other bastards who ruled the Church were Popes Boniface 1(418-22), Gelasius (492-6), Agapitus (535-6), and Theodore (642-9). There were more. Adrian IV (1154-9) was the son of a priest. No wonder Pope Pius 11 (1458-64) said Rome was &quot;the only city run by bastards.&quot; Pius himself admitted to fathering at least two illegitimate children, by different women, one of them married at the time. The rule of celibacy literally created prostitutes, making Rome the &quot;Mother of Harlots,&quot; as the apostle John foresaw.  In his fiery sermons, Savonarola of Florence, Italy (soon to be martyred), called Rome &quot;a harlot ready to sell her favors for coin&quot;6 and accused the priests of bringing &quot;spiritual death upon all ... their piety consists in spending their nights with harlots.&quot; He cried, &quot;One thousand, ten thousand, fourteen thousand harlots are few for Rome, for there both men and women are made harlots.&quot;7 Pope Alexander VI threatened to &quot;lay an interdict upon Florence&quot; if it did not silence Savonarola. The city rulers obeyed for fear that as a result of the interdict all &quot;the Florentine merchants in Rome would be thrown into jail.&quot;8 The pope wanted Savonarola brought to Rome for trial as a heretic, but the Signory of Florence wanted to execute him themselves. After signing confessions that had been wrung out of them by the cruelest of torture, Savonarola and two comrade friars were hanged and burned to ashes.9 Yet this man who reached against the Church leaders&#039; immorality and was slain by Roman Catholics is now celebrated by the Vatican as &quot;a giant of our faith, martyred May 23, 1498.&quot;10 What revision of history!  Visiting Germany in the eighth century, St. Boniface found that none of the clergy honored their vows of celibacy. He wrote to Pope Zachary (741-52): &quot;Young men who spent their youth in rape and adultery were rising in the ranks of the clergy. They were spending their nights in bed with four or five women, then getting up in the morning ... to celebrate mass.&quot; Bishop Rathurio complained that if he excommunicated unchaste priests &quot;there would be none left to administer the sacraments, except boys. If he excluded bastards, as canon law demanded, not even boys [would be left].&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2012/01/24/heaven-is-for-real-this-story-is-not/#comment-492592" >John</a>.</p>
<p>In reply to John.</p>
<p>Dave Hunt writes:</p>
<p><strong>UNHOLY MOTHER</strong></p>
<p><strong>A System Made for Prostitution </strong></p>
<p>For centuries the priesthood was largely hereditary. Most priests were the sons of other priests and bishops. More than one pope was the illegitimate son of a previous and supposedly celibate pope. For example, Pope Sylverius (536-7) was fathered by Pope Hormisdas (514-23), and John XI (931-5) by Sergius III (904-11) of his favorite mistress, Marozia, to whom we referred earlier.  Among the other bastards who ruled the Church were Popes Boniface 1(418-22), Gelasius (492-6), Agapitus (535-6), and Theodore (642-9). There were more. Adrian IV (1154-9) was the son of a priest. No wonder Pope Pius 11 (1458-64) said Rome was &#8220;the only city run by bastards.&#8221; Pius himself admitted to fathering at least two illegitimate children, by different women, one of them married at the time. The rule of celibacy literally created prostitutes, making Rome the &#8220;Mother of Harlots,&#8221; as the apostle John foresaw.  In his fiery sermons, Savonarola of Florence, Italy (soon to be martyred), called Rome &#8220;a harlot ready to sell her favors for coin&#8221;6 and accused the priests of bringing &#8220;spiritual death upon all &#8230; their piety consists in spending their nights with harlots.&#8221; He cried, &#8220;One thousand, ten thousand, fourteen thousand harlots are few for Rome, for there both men and women are made harlots.&#8221;7 Pope Alexander VI threatened to &#8220;lay an interdict upon Florence&#8221; if it did not silence Savonarola. The city rulers obeyed for fear that as a result of the interdict all &#8220;the Florentine merchants in Rome would be thrown into jail.&#8221;8 The pope wanted Savonarola brought to Rome for trial as a heretic, but the Signory of Florence wanted to execute him themselves. After signing confessions that had been wrung out of them by the cruelest of torture, Savonarola and two comrade friars were hanged and burned to ashes.9 Yet this man who reached against the Church leaders&#8217; immorality and was slain by Roman Catholics is now celebrated by the Vatican as &#8220;a giant of our faith, martyred May 23, 1498.&#8221;10 What revision of history!  Visiting Germany in the eighth century, St. Boniface found that none of the clergy honored their vows of celibacy. He wrote to Pope Zachary (741-52): &#8220;Young men who spent their youth in rape and adultery were rising in the ranks of the clergy. They were spending their nights in bed with four or five women, then getting up in the morning &#8230; to celebrate mass.&#8221; Bishop Rathurio complained that if he excommunicated unchaste priests &#8220;there would be none left to administer the sacraments, except boys. If he excluded bastards, as canon law demanded, not even boys [would be left].&#8221;</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2012/01/24/heaven-is-for-real-this-story-is-not/#comment-492592&quot;&gt;John&lt;/a&gt;.

John, you are deceived, my friend, heavily deceived. Jesus said, 

&lt;blockquote&gt;Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch. (Matthew 15:14)&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Do yourself a favor and read Dave Hunt&#039;s book &quot;A Woman Rides the Beast&quot; to see how fraudulent Roman Catholic tradition is.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2012/01/24/heaven-is-for-real-this-story-is-not/#comment-492592" >John</a>.</p>
<p>John, you are deceived, my friend, heavily deceived. Jesus said, </p>
<blockquote><p>Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch. (Matthew 15:14)</p></blockquote>
<p>Do yourself a favor and read Dave Hunt&#8217;s book &#8220;A Woman Rides the Beast&#8221; to see how fraudulent Roman Catholic tradition is.</p>
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		By: John		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Tom (Discerning the World) wrote:

                Well, John, the info we get is from the Bible and you only need to believe what it says about the false Mary to understand that you are deceived. First off, it is evident from 
                Scripture that the Mary you, as you say, ask to pray for you on your behalf is a false one. Consider the following quotes from the lips of Catholics.

Where in scripture it says that Mary is a demon goddess??.... &quot;it is evident&quot; is not enough for me. It is your interpretation, not what he Bible says.

                There is no one, O most holy Mary. .. who can be saved or redeemed but through thee…. -St. Germanus

Yes, by her &quot;YES&quot; and through her, God came to earth to save us. God doesn&#039;t need anyone, He can just open the skies and descend with glory from His heavenly Throne, but HE WANTED to incarnate through Mary! Mary Co-operated with God, what would&#039;ve happened if Herod the Great managed to kill baby Jesus when he was born? Mary and Joseph protected Him. God Almighty was vulnerable on Earth as a baby/Child and Mary protected Him, loved Him, educated Him... Protestants seem to forget that.

                As we have access to the Eternal Father only through Jesus Christ, so have we access to Jesus Christ only through Mary. By thee we have access to the Son, O blessed finder of 
                grace, bearer of life, and mother of salvation…. -St. Bernard

I send you to the episode of Cana, Jesus time was not ready but she intercede for the people there and Jesus listened to her, because she is His mother and He loved her. Again it is all about love guys, get rid of the pharisean way of reading the Bible guys. Let the Holy Spirit guide you. Everything is not in Scriptures and stopping at scriptures is a huge mistake:
John 16 12-15: “I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear.  But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.  He will glorify me because it is from me that he will receive what he will make known to you. All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will receive from me what he will make known to you.”
The Holy Spirit is still guiding the universal church. He gave us extra knowledge not at your disposal.


               In thy hands I place my eternal salvation, and to thee do I entrust my soul…. For, if thou protect me, dear Mother, I fear nothing; not from my sins, because thou wilt obtain for 
               me the pardon of them; nor from the devils, because thou art more powerful than all hell together; nor even from Jesus, my Judge himself, because by one prayer from thee, he 
               will be appeased. But one thing I fear; that, in the our of temptation, I may neglect to call on thee, and thus perish miserably.

              Obtain for me, then, the pardon of my sins…. – One of many prayers in the popular booklet devotions in Honor of Our Mother of Perpetual Help

             Listen to what Jesus said about his real mother.

             And it was told him [Jesus]. .. Thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to see thee. And he answered and said unto them, My mother and my brethren are these which 
             hear the Word of God and do it. – Luke 8:20, 21

             And it came to pass [that] … a certain woman… said unto him [Jesus], Blessed is the womb that bare thee…. But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the Word of God 
             and keep it. – Luke 11:27, 28

She is our mother, Jesus gave her to us and if it wasen&#039;t for Her humanity would have been anihilated. Here what she says at La Salette in 1846:

&quot;“If my people will not submit, I shall be forced to let fall the arm of my Son. It is so strong, so heavy, that I can no longer withhold it.
 “For how long a time do I suffer for you! If I would not have my Son abandon you, I am compelled to pray to him without ceasing; and as to you, you take not heed of it.
 “However much you pray, however much you do, you will never recompense the pains I have taken for you.&quot;

You speak of her as if Jesus didn&#039;t respected her while He was on earth. Exodus 20:12 : “Honor your father and your mother, so that you may live long in the land the Lord your God is giving you.

           If a Catholic only adores and worships Jesus Christ, why do you give the attributes which belong to Jesus alone, to Mary as your intercessor? Indeed, you may ask anyone to pray with 
           and for you, but do you believe that the one who prays with or for you gives you access to Christ Jesus? There is not a single instance in the Bible where Jesus or his disciples advised 
          anyone to pray to Mary to give them access to Jesus. In fact, this is what the Bible teaches.

If Mary is absent from the Bible it is because of her extreme humilty. Think about this Tom, who gave the apostles the infos written in the Bible about Jesus&#039;s childhood period? Apostolic tradition says that she asked Luke not to write about her. What a lady!!, she is the first christian who understood humilty. Saint Maximilian Kolbe had a dream, he saw Jesus and Mary in heaven and 2 ladders, one that goes from earth to Jesus and this ladder was red and people had a hard time climbing it (lack of love and charity) and a second ladder that goes to Mary and from Mary to Jesus, and this ladder was blue and people arrived faster to Jesus. 

           Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his 
           flesh; And having an high priest over the house of God; Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our 
           bodies washed with pure water. Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised;) (Hebrews 10:19-23).

           Jesus shed his blood and presented his body (flesh) on the cross to redeem us, and not Mary. Whoever believes that is a blasphemer.

True but again Mary allowed Him to incarnate so that He could shed His blood on the cross. She is loved by the catholics for that reason, she co-operated with God for our salvation. 

            And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death: But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood. 
            Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them. (Hebrews 7:23-25)

             The Old Testament high priesthood was a type of Jesus Christ. The allotted high priest in the OT was the person who represented God’s people and the only one who was allowed 
             to enter into the holiest of holies in the tabernacle and later, the temple, to offer the diverse sacrifices in behalf of the sins of the people. If Mary had been an intercessor in 
             heaven to do penance for sins, she too should have had a type in the Old Testament. Show me a single example in the Bible where a woman first had to grant the people access to 
             the high priest (a type of Jesus Christ) before he interceded for the people via the sacrifices.

Don&#039;t forget that Mary also is a tabernacle, she had in her belly the holiest of holies.
Mary cannot forgive sins, he who says otherwise is a liar. But she can intercede/pray Jesus as she did in Cana for us and our sins. What a great lady! Thank you Lord for givine us your mother as our mother, you gave us everything you had out of love for us. We love you &#060;3

             Yes, there is an example in the Old Testament but she is a false Mary.

            As for the word that thou hast spoken unto us in the name of the LORD, we will not hearken unto thee. But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, 
            to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in 
            the streets of Jerusalem: for then had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil. But since we left off to burn incense to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink 
            offerings unto her, we have wanted all things, and have been consumed by the sword and by the famine. And when we burned incense to the queen of heaven, and poured out drink 
            offerings unto her, did we make her cakes to worship her, and pour out drink offerings unto her, without our men? (Jeremiah 44:16-19)

Genesis 3:15 &quot;And I will put enmity
                    between you and the woman,
                    and between your offspring and hers;
                    he will crush your head,
                    and you will strike his heel.&quot;

Who is this woman Satan hates so much that he, the prince of this world, managed to put hatred towards her even in christian&#039;s hearts.
Who is the woman&#039;s offspring that will crush Satan&#039;s head?

Satan hates Mary because he wanted you and I to fall, to be damned for eternity in hell, his domain. Mary blew up his plans by allowing God to incarnate and save humanity. 
So with no surprise I witness hate towards the mother God from alot of people including protestants who walked away from the original church, the church Jesus built. The church of Peter.

Anyway I will stop here, I had many conversations with protestants on this matter, and I know it will lead nowhere. My only advice for you if I may is to pray the Holy Spirit to guide you through the whole truth. Not a disfigured truth established by a human (luther) who came centuries after the original apostles claiming he got things right.
God bless you Tom. We will continue this discussion with Jesus when we get promoted  and leave this satanic exile.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom (Discerning the World) wrote:</p>
<p>                Well, John, the info we get is from the Bible and you only need to believe what it says about the false Mary to understand that you are deceived. First off, it is evident from<br />
                Scripture that the Mary you, as you say, ask to pray for you on your behalf is a false one. Consider the following quotes from the lips of Catholics.</p>
<p>Where in scripture it says that Mary is a demon goddess??&#8230;. &#8220;it is evident&#8221; is not enough for me. It is your interpretation, not what he Bible says.</p>
<p>                There is no one, O most holy Mary. .. who can be saved or redeemed but through thee…. -St. Germanus</p>
<p>Yes, by her &#8220;YES&#8221; and through her, God came to earth to save us. God doesn&#8217;t need anyone, He can just open the skies and descend with glory from His heavenly Throne, but HE WANTED to incarnate through Mary! Mary Co-operated with God, what would&#8217;ve happened if Herod the Great managed to kill baby Jesus when he was born? Mary and Joseph protected Him. God Almighty was vulnerable on Earth as a baby/Child and Mary protected Him, loved Him, educated Him&#8230; Protestants seem to forget that.</p>
<p>                As we have access to the Eternal Father only through Jesus Christ, so have we access to Jesus Christ only through Mary. By thee we have access to the Son, O blessed finder of<br />
                grace, bearer of life, and mother of salvation…. -St. Bernard</p>
<p>I send you to the episode of Cana, Jesus time was not ready but she intercede for the people there and Jesus listened to her, because she is His mother and He loved her. Again it is all about love guys, get rid of the pharisean way of reading the Bible guys. Let the Holy Spirit guide you. Everything is not in Scriptures and stopping at scriptures is a huge mistake:<br />
John 16 12-15: “I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear.  But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.  He will glorify me because it is from me that he will receive what he will make known to you. All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will receive from me what he will make known to you.”<br />
The Holy Spirit is still guiding the universal church. He gave us extra knowledge not at your disposal.</p>
<p>               In thy hands I place my eternal salvation, and to thee do I entrust my soul…. For, if thou protect me, dear Mother, I fear nothing; not from my sins, because thou wilt obtain for<br />
               me the pardon of them; nor from the devils, because thou art more powerful than all hell together; nor even from Jesus, my Judge himself, because by one prayer from thee, he<br />
               will be appeased. But one thing I fear; that, in the our of temptation, I may neglect to call on thee, and thus perish miserably.</p>
<p>              Obtain for me, then, the pardon of my sins…. – One of many prayers in the popular booklet devotions in Honor of Our Mother of Perpetual Help</p>
<p>             Listen to what Jesus said about his real mother.</p>
<p>             And it was told him [Jesus]. .. Thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to see thee. And he answered and said unto them, My mother and my brethren are these which<br />
             hear the Word of God and do it. – Luke 8:20, 21</p>
<p>             And it came to pass [that] … a certain woman… said unto him [Jesus], Blessed is the womb that bare thee…. But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the Word of God<br />
             and keep it. – Luke 11:27, 28</p>
<p>She is our mother, Jesus gave her to us and if it wasen&#8217;t for Her humanity would have been anihilated. Here what she says at La Salette in 1846:</p>
<p>&#8220;“If my people will not submit, I shall be forced to let fall the arm of my Son. It is so strong, so heavy, that I can no longer withhold it.<br />
 “For how long a time do I suffer for you! If I would not have my Son abandon you, I am compelled to pray to him without ceasing; and as to you, you take not heed of it.<br />
 “However much you pray, however much you do, you will never recompense the pains I have taken for you.&#8221;</p>
<p>You speak of her as if Jesus didn&#8217;t respected her while He was on earth. Exodus 20:12 : “Honor your father and your mother, so that you may live long in the land the Lord your God is giving you.</p>
<p>           If a Catholic only adores and worships Jesus Christ, why do you give the attributes which belong to Jesus alone, to Mary as your intercessor? Indeed, you may ask anyone to pray with<br />
           and for you, but do you believe that the one who prays with or for you gives you access to Christ Jesus? There is not a single instance in the Bible where Jesus or his disciples advised<br />
          anyone to pray to Mary to give them access to Jesus. In fact, this is what the Bible teaches.</p>
<p>If Mary is absent from the Bible it is because of her extreme humilty. Think about this Tom, who gave the apostles the infos written in the Bible about Jesus&#8217;s childhood period? Apostolic tradition says that she asked Luke not to write about her. What a lady!!, she is the first christian who understood humilty. Saint Maximilian Kolbe had a dream, he saw Jesus and Mary in heaven and 2 ladders, one that goes from earth to Jesus and this ladder was red and people had a hard time climbing it (lack of love and charity) and a second ladder that goes to Mary and from Mary to Jesus, and this ladder was blue and people arrived faster to Jesus. </p>
<p>           Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his<br />
           flesh; And having an high priest over the house of God; Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our<br />
           bodies washed with pure water. Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised;) (Hebrews 10:19-23).</p>
<p>           Jesus shed his blood and presented his body (flesh) on the cross to redeem us, and not Mary. Whoever believes that is a blasphemer.</p>
<p>True but again Mary allowed Him to incarnate so that He could shed His blood on the cross. She is loved by the catholics for that reason, she co-operated with God for our salvation. </p>
<p>            And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death: But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood.<br />
            Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them. (Hebrews 7:23-25)</p>
<p>             The Old Testament high priesthood was a type of Jesus Christ. The allotted high priest in the OT was the person who represented God’s people and the only one who was allowed<br />
             to enter into the holiest of holies in the tabernacle and later, the temple, to offer the diverse sacrifices in behalf of the sins of the people. If Mary had been an intercessor in<br />
             heaven to do penance for sins, she too should have had a type in the Old Testament. Show me a single example in the Bible where a woman first had to grant the people access to<br />
             the high priest (a type of Jesus Christ) before he interceded for the people via the sacrifices.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t forget that Mary also is a tabernacle, she had in her belly the holiest of holies.<br />
Mary cannot forgive sins, he who says otherwise is a liar. But she can intercede/pray Jesus as she did in Cana for us and our sins. What a great lady! Thank you Lord for givine us your mother as our mother, you gave us everything you had out of love for us. We love you &lt;3</p>
<p>             Yes, there is an example in the Old Testament but she is a false Mary.</p>
<p>            As for the word that thou hast spoken unto us in the name of the LORD, we will not hearken unto thee. But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth,<br />
            to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in<br />
            the streets of Jerusalem: for then had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil. But since we left off to burn incense to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink<br />
            offerings unto her, we have wanted all things, and have been consumed by the sword and by the famine. And when we burned incense to the queen of heaven, and poured out drink<br />
            offerings unto her, did we make her cakes to worship her, and pour out drink offerings unto her, without our men? (Jeremiah 44:16-19)</p>
<p>Genesis 3:15 &#8220;And I will put enmity<br />
                    between you and the woman,<br />
                    and between your offspring and hers;<br />
                    he will crush your head,<br />
                    and you will strike his heel.&#8221;</p>
<p>Who is this woman Satan hates so much that he, the prince of this world, managed to put hatred towards her even in christian&#8217;s hearts.<br />
Who is the woman&#8217;s offspring that will crush Satan&#8217;s head?</p>
<p>Satan hates Mary because he wanted you and I to fall, to be damned for eternity in hell, his domain. Mary blew up his plans by allowing God to incarnate and save humanity.<br />
So with no surprise I witness hate towards the mother God from alot of people including protestants who walked away from the original church, the church Jesus built. The church of Peter.</p>
<p>Anyway I will stop here, I had many conversations with protestants on this matter, and I know it will lead nowhere. My only advice for you if I may is to pray the Holy Spirit to guide you through the whole truth. Not a disfigured truth established by a human (luther) who came centuries after the original apostles claiming he got things right.<br />
God bless you Tom. We will continue this discussion with Jesus when we get promoted  and leave this satanic exile.</p>
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		By: Tom (Discerning the World)		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 May 2019 16:46:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2012/01/24/heaven-is-for-real-this-story-is-not/#comment-492578&quot;&gt;John&lt;/a&gt;.

In reply to John.


&lt;blockquote&gt;Tom, where do you guys find all this info about a demon goddess that is incarnated in the catholic church? The Bible says she will be called blessed… the Virgin Mary, the one and only Mary, the mother of God, does have an important place in a catholic heart because she is the woman who said “yes” to Gabriel. God needed that “yes” because of our free will to incarnate.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well, John, the info we get is from the Bible and you only need to believe what it says about the false Mary to understand that you are deceived. First off, it is evident from Scripture that the Mary you, as you say, ask to pray for you on your behalf is a false one. Consider the following quotes from the lips of Catholics.

&lt;blockquote&gt;There is no one, O most holy Mary. .. who can be saved or redeemed but through thee.... -St. Germanus&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;As we have access to the Eternal Father only through Jesus Christ, so have we access to Jesus Christ only through Mary. By thee we have access to the Son, O blessed finder of grace, bearer of life, and mother of salvation.... -St. Bernard&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;In thy hands I place my eternal salvation, and to thee do I entrust my soul.... For, if thou protect me, dear Mother, I fear nothing; not from my sins, because thou wilt obtain for me the pardon of them; nor from the devils, because thou art more powerful than all hell together; nor even from Jesus, my Judge himself, because by one prayer from thee, he will be appeased. But one thing I fear; that, in the our of temptation, I may neglect to call on thee, and thus perish miserably.

Obtain for me, then, the pardon of my sins.... - One of many prayers in the popular booklet devotions in Honor of Our Mother of Perpetual Help&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Listen to what Jesus said about his real mother.

&lt;blockquote&gt;And it was told him [Jesus]. .. Thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to see thee. And he answered and said unto them, My mother and my brethren are these which hear the Word of God and do it. - Luke 8:20, 21

And it came to pass [that] ... a certain woman... said unto him [Jesus], Blessed is the womb that bare thee.... But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the Word of God and keep it. - Luke 11:27, 28&lt;/blockquote&gt;

If a Catholic only adores and worships Jesus Christ, why do you give the attributes which belong to Jesus alone, to Mary as your intercessor? Indeed, you may ask anyone to pray with and for you, but do you believe that the one who prays with or for you gives you access to Christ Jesus? There is not a single instance in the Bible where Jesus or his disciples advised anyone to pray to Mary to give them access to Jesus. In fact, this is what the Bible teaches.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; And having an high priest over the house of God; Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water. Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised;) (Hebrews  10:19-23).&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Jesus shed his blood and presented his body (flesh) on the cross to redeem us, and not Mary. Whoever believes that is a blasphemer.

&lt;blockquote&gt;And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death: But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood. Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them. (Hebrews 7:23-25)&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The Old Testament high priesthood was a type of Jesus Christ. The allotted high priest in the OT was the person who represented God’s people and the only one who was allowed to enter into the holiest of holies in the tabernacle and later, the temple, to offer the diverse sacrifices in behalf of the sins of the people. If Mary had been an intercessor in heaven to do penance for sins, she too should have had a type in the Old Testament. Show me a single example in the Bible where a woman first had to grant the people access to the high priest (a type of Jesus Christ) before he interceded for the people via the sacrifices.

Yes, there is an example in the Old Testament but she is a false Mary.

&lt;blockquote&gt;As for the word that thou hast spoken unto us in the name of the LORD, we will not hearken unto thee. But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for then had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil. But since we left off to burn incense to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, we have wanted all things, and have been consumed by the sword and by the famine. And when we burned incense to the queen of heaven, and poured out drink offerings unto her, did we make her cakes to worship her, and pour out drink offerings unto her, without our men? (Jeremiah 44:16-19)&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2012/01/24/heaven-is-for-real-this-story-is-not/#comment-492578" >John</a>.</p>
<p>In reply to John.</p>
<blockquote><p>Tom, where do you guys find all this info about a demon goddess that is incarnated in the catholic church? The Bible says she will be called blessed… the Virgin Mary, the one and only Mary, the mother of God, does have an important place in a catholic heart because she is the woman who said “yes” to Gabriel. God needed that “yes” because of our free will to incarnate.</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, John, the info we get is from the Bible and you only need to believe what it says about the false Mary to understand that you are deceived. First off, it is evident from Scripture that the Mary you, as you say, ask to pray for you on your behalf is a false one. Consider the following quotes from the lips of Catholics.</p>
<blockquote><p>There is no one, O most holy Mary. .. who can be saved or redeemed but through thee&#8230;. -St. Germanus</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>As we have access to the Eternal Father only through Jesus Christ, so have we access to Jesus Christ only through Mary. By thee we have access to the Son, O blessed finder of grace, bearer of life, and mother of salvation&#8230;. -St. Bernard</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>In thy hands I place my eternal salvation, and to thee do I entrust my soul&#8230;. For, if thou protect me, dear Mother, I fear nothing; not from my sins, because thou wilt obtain for me the pardon of them; nor from the devils, because thou art more powerful than all hell together; nor even from Jesus, my Judge himself, because by one prayer from thee, he will be appeased. But one thing I fear; that, in the our of temptation, I may neglect to call on thee, and thus perish miserably.</p>
<p>Obtain for me, then, the pardon of my sins&#8230;. &#8211; One of many prayers in the popular booklet devotions in Honor of Our Mother of Perpetual Help</p></blockquote>
<p>Listen to what Jesus said about his real mother.</p>
<blockquote><p>And it was told him [Jesus]. .. Thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to see thee. And he answered and said unto them, My mother and my brethren are these which hear the Word of God and do it. &#8211; Luke 8:20, 21</p>
<p>And it came to pass [that] &#8230; a certain woman&#8230; said unto him [Jesus], Blessed is the womb that bare thee&#8230;. But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the Word of God and keep it. &#8211; Luke 11:27, 28</p></blockquote>
<p>If a Catholic only adores and worships Jesus Christ, why do you give the attributes which belong to Jesus alone, to Mary as your intercessor? Indeed, you may ask anyone to pray with and for you, but do you believe that the one who prays with or for you gives you access to Christ Jesus? There is not a single instance in the Bible where Jesus or his disciples advised anyone to pray to Mary to give them access to Jesus. In fact, this is what the Bible teaches.</p>
<blockquote><p>Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; And having an high priest over the house of God; Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water. Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised;) (Hebrews  10:19-23).</p></blockquote>
<p>Jesus shed his blood and presented his body (flesh) on the cross to redeem us, and not Mary. Whoever believes that is a blasphemer.</p>
<blockquote><p>And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death: But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood. Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them. (Hebrews 7:23-25)</p></blockquote>
<p>The Old Testament high priesthood was a type of Jesus Christ. The allotted high priest in the OT was the person who represented God’s people and the only one who was allowed to enter into the holiest of holies in the tabernacle and later, the temple, to offer the diverse sacrifices in behalf of the sins of the people. If Mary had been an intercessor in heaven to do penance for sins, she too should have had a type in the Old Testament. Show me a single example in the Bible where a woman first had to grant the people access to the high priest (a type of Jesus Christ) before he interceded for the people via the sacrifices.</p>
<p>Yes, there is an example in the Old Testament but she is a false Mary.</p>
<blockquote><p>As for the word that thou hast spoken unto us in the name of the LORD, we will not hearken unto thee. But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for then had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil. But since we left off to burn incense to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, we have wanted all things, and have been consumed by the sword and by the famine. And when we burned incense to the queen of heaven, and poured out drink offerings unto her, did we make her cakes to worship her, and pour out drink offerings unto her, without our men? (Jeremiah 44:16-19)</p></blockquote>
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		By: John		</title>
		<link>https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2012/01/24/heaven-is-for-real-this-story-is-not/#comment-492578</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 May 2019 13:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi Tom,
Thank you for your reply.
Tom, Where do you guys find all this info about a demon goddess that is incarnated in the catholic church? The Bible says she will be called blessed... the Virgin Mary, the one and only Mary, the mother of God, does have an important place in a catholic heart because she is the woman who said &quot;yes&quot; to Gabriel. God needed that &quot;yes&quot; because of our free will to incarnate. We do not, I repeat, we do not adore Mary. A catholic only adores Jesus Christ, who gave His life and holy blood on the cross for our sins. We love and respect Mary as our mother because Jesus gave her to us on the cross when He gave her to John as his mother. John was his beloved, but aren&#039;t we all christians His beloved? It was His testamony on the cross. You guys have so much hate for Mary and the Saints that is just not comprehensible for another christian. Let&#039;s say Tom you and I are friends. If I am feeling bad or ill, am I allowed to tell you: &quot;Tom, please my friend, pray with me and for me Jesus, I need His help&quot; ? Well it is the same with the Saints, they are Jesus&#039;s friends.we do not adore them, we ask them to pray with us and for us our Lord and Savior Jesus. It is all about charity and Love my friend, and it saddens me to hear brothers and sisters in Christ spreading hatred. We should only spread love and Jesus will judge us on Love.
Don&#039;t think just because you said Jesus is Lord, you are saved. 
Matthew 7:21-23 &quot;Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.&quot;
But what is the Will of the Father?
Mark 12 29-31: &quot;The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength. The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself. There is no commandment greater than these.” aren&#039;t we catholics your neighbors Tom? Catholics, orthodox, muslims, atheists, etc... are all our neighbors. We need to love everyone and tell them about Jesus with love and empathy.
I pray Jesus widen your hearts brothers and sisters from the protestant realm. It is all about love and charity. God bless you]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tom,<br />
Thank you for your reply.<br />
Tom, Where do you guys find all this info about a demon goddess that is incarnated in the catholic church? The Bible says she will be called blessed&#8230; the Virgin Mary, the one and only Mary, the mother of God, does have an important place in a catholic heart because she is the woman who said &#8220;yes&#8221; to Gabriel. God needed that &#8220;yes&#8221; because of our free will to incarnate. We do not, I repeat, we do not adore Mary. A catholic only adores Jesus Christ, who gave His life and holy blood on the cross for our sins. We love and respect Mary as our mother because Jesus gave her to us on the cross when He gave her to John as his mother. John was his beloved, but aren&#8217;t we all christians His beloved? It was His testamony on the cross. You guys have so much hate for Mary and the Saints that is just not comprehensible for another christian. Let&#8217;s say Tom you and I are friends. If I am feeling bad or ill, am I allowed to tell you: &#8220;Tom, please my friend, pray with me and for me Jesus, I need His help&#8221; ? Well it is the same with the Saints, they are Jesus&#8217;s friends.we do not adore them, we ask them to pray with us and for us our Lord and Savior Jesus. It is all about charity and Love my friend, and it saddens me to hear brothers and sisters in Christ spreading hatred. We should only spread love and Jesus will judge us on Love.<br />
Don&#8217;t think just because you said Jesus is Lord, you are saved.<br />
Matthew 7:21-23 &#8220;Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.<br />
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?<br />
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.&#8221;<br />
But what is the Will of the Father?<br />
Mark 12 29-31: &#8220;The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength. The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself. There is no commandment greater than these.” aren&#8217;t we catholics your neighbors Tom? Catholics, orthodox, muslims, atheists, etc&#8230; are all our neighbors. We need to love everyone and tell them about Jesus with love and empathy.<br />
I pray Jesus widen your hearts brothers and sisters from the protestant realm. It is all about love and charity. God bless you</p>
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		By: Tom (Discerning the World)		</title>
		<link>https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2012/01/24/heaven-is-for-real-this-story-is-not/#comment-492502</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 06 May 2019 06:44:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2012/01/24/heaven-is-for-real-this-story-is-not/#comment-492476&quot;&gt;John&lt;/a&gt;.

John,

I suggest that you put on your spectacles and read what the author really said, again.

&lt;blockquote&gt;The Catholic Mary (Queen of Heaven) is none other than a demonic goddess posing as Jesus’ mother.  “The Queen of Heaven in the bible is a Babylonian goddess whom people worshiped.  She has been incarnated to Roman Catholicism under the name ‘Mary’, Mary-Queen of Heaven.  Many Catholics would deny that Mary worship is part of Catholicism but unfortunately this is not true as she holds a special place in the hearts of many.” — Please read more on &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/09/25/mary-queen-of-heaven-whore-of-babylon/&quot;&gt;Mary Queen of Heaven – Whore of Babylon&lt;/a&gt;

Jeremiah 7:18 (Amp)   “18 The children gather wood, the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead the dough, to make cakes for the queen of heaven; and they pour out drink offerings to other gods, that they may provoke Me to anger!&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Are you sure that you believe in the Jesus of the Bible?

&lt;blockquote&gt;For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him. (2 Corinthians 11:4).&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Also read, https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2018/02/12/mosaiek-kerk-scallop-pagan-spirituality/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2012/01/24/heaven-is-for-real-this-story-is-not/#comment-492476" >John</a>.</p>
<p>John,</p>
<p>I suggest that you put on your spectacles and read what the author really said, again.</p>
<blockquote><p>The Catholic Mary (Queen of Heaven) is none other than a demonic goddess posing as Jesus’ mother.  “The Queen of Heaven in the bible is a Babylonian goddess whom people worshiped.  She has been incarnated to Roman Catholicism under the name ‘Mary’, Mary-Queen of Heaven.  Many Catholics would deny that Mary worship is part of Catholicism but unfortunately this is not true as she holds a special place in the hearts of many.” — Please read more on <a href="https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/09/25/mary-queen-of-heaven-whore-of-babylon/" >Mary Queen of Heaven – Whore of Babylon</a></p>
<p>Jeremiah 7:18 (Amp)   “18 The children gather wood, the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead the dough, to make cakes for the queen of heaven; and they pour out drink offerings to other gods, that they may provoke Me to anger!</p></blockquote>
<p>Are you sure that you believe in the Jesus of the Bible?</p>
<blockquote><p>For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him. (2 Corinthians 11:4).</p></blockquote>
<p>Also read, <a href="https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2018/02/12/mosaiek-kerk-scallop-pagan-spirituality/"  rel="ugc">https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2018/02/12/mosaiek-kerk-scallop-pagan-spirituality/</a></p>
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		<link>https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2012/01/24/heaven-is-for-real-this-story-is-not/#comment-492476</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 05 May 2019 12:10:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wow so Jesus&#039;s mother is a whore... Bravo to the author,  I wish you good luck when you face Jesus. Explain well to Him how the woman who said YES to God and allowed Him to incarnate is considered a whore. 
Luke 1:48 &quot;for he has been mindful
    of the humble state of his servant,
From now on all generations will call me blessed&quot; blessed not a whore.... read your scripture.
Your text is satanic, lifeless and loveless, and the only thought that passed by my mind was &quot;wow the author reminds me so much of the pharisians&quot; . I could go on and on but I will stop here for you are blind and do not wish to see the truth. Matthew 33:39 &quot;And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’
I don&#039;t see love but hate. You divide, just like Satan. May Jesus have mercy on your soul.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow so Jesus&#8217;s mother is a whore&#8230; Bravo to the author,  I wish you good luck when you face Jesus. Explain well to Him how the woman who said YES to God and allowed Him to incarnate is considered a whore.<br />
Luke 1:48 &#8220;for he has been mindful<br />
    of the humble state of his servant,<br />
From now on all generations will call me blessed&#8221; blessed not a whore&#8230;. read your scripture.<br />
Your text is satanic, lifeless and loveless, and the only thought that passed by my mind was &#8220;wow the author reminds me so much of the pharisians&#8221; . I could go on and on but I will stop here for you are blind and do not wish to see the truth. Matthew 33:39 &#8220;And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’<br />
I don&#8217;t see love but hate. You divide, just like Satan. May Jesus have mercy on your soul.</p>
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		By: Tom Lessing (Discerning the World)		</title>
		<link>https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2012/01/24/heaven-is-for-real-this-story-is-not/#comment-487358</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2018 06:53:06 +0000</pubDate>
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Akiane claims that her faith came through direct visions and experiences of Jesus. That alone is unbiblicaL for God says, &quot;So faith cometh by hearing, and hearing the Word of God.&quot; (Romans 10:17). All false teachings and heresies started with visions and dreams, supposedly of God and Jesus.]]></description>
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<p>Akiane claims that her faith came through direct visions and experiences of Jesus. That alone is unbiblicaL for God says, &#8220;So faith cometh by hearing, and hearing the Word of God.&#8221; (Romans 10:17). All false teachings and heresies started with visions and dreams, supposedly of God and Jesus.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2018 06:50:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I watched a documentary about Akiane, the girl who does the paintings and claims God is the one telling her to paint them. Nearly everything she says is not biblical at all. Here&#039;s a very disturbing quote from the documentary: “I like to say me and God are both in control of everything. So he tells me an idea and I just take that idea and make it better”. Two huge red flags here. 1. She&#039;s making herself equal with God by claiming that she has equal control with him. 2.  She is claiming that she can improve on God&#039;s ideas. That suggestion is absolutely laughable. God is INFINITELY more intelligent than we primitive humans are. If anything, God sees our primitive pitiful ideas (that we consider to be advanced and intelligent) and laughs kindly and he is the one who improves on OUR ideas! To suggest that any idea that God has might need to be improved upon by humans is to suggest that God is not God. To be God means to be absolutely superior to us, and to be all-knowing and wise. I do not believe she can possibly have met the real God at all, because if she had, she wouldn&#039;t be saying such arrogant things and she would have reached a realisation that God is much, much more clever and talented at art (and everything else) than she is. She and God are not equals, but she seems to think they are. None of God&#039;s ideas need to be &quot;made better&quot; by her! Another huge red flag is that despite claiming to have seen a vision of the real Jesus, the &quot;vision&quot; seemingly wasn&#039;t clear enough in her mind to be able to paint it from memory so she had to use a human model of some random man who turned up and knocked on her door and she asked him to sit for her as a model. So the man in her painting isn&#039;t Jesus. He&#039;s just a handyman who sat for her as a model. She claims that the model she used resembled the real Jesus, but if she had truly seen a vision of the real Jesus and God had intended her to paint it, I am confident that God would have seared that vision into her mind and she would have been able to paint him perfectly from memory. Also her entire painting career seems to be a huge money-making exercise. She and her family are now extremely rich due to selling her paintings. If she were really in contact with the real Jesus, I very much doubt he would be telling her that he had given her a talent in art just in order to make herself filthy rich. He is far more likely to say that she should give all the money to the poor. You only need to read the gospels to know Jesus&#039; thoughts on that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I watched a documentary about Akiane, the girl who does the paintings and claims God is the one telling her to paint them. Nearly everything she says is not biblical at all. Here&#8217;s a very disturbing quote from the documentary: “I like to say me and God are both in control of everything. So he tells me an idea and I just take that idea and make it better”. Two huge red flags here. 1. She&#8217;s making herself equal with God by claiming that she has equal control with him. 2.  She is claiming that she can improve on God&#8217;s ideas. That suggestion is absolutely laughable. God is INFINITELY more intelligent than we primitive humans are. If anything, God sees our primitive pitiful ideas (that we consider to be advanced and intelligent) and laughs kindly and he is the one who improves on OUR ideas! To suggest that any idea that God has might need to be improved upon by humans is to suggest that God is not God. To be God means to be absolutely superior to us, and to be all-knowing and wise. I do not believe she can possibly have met the real God at all, because if she had, she wouldn&#8217;t be saying such arrogant things and she would have reached a realisation that God is much, much more clever and talented at art (and everything else) than she is. She and God are not equals, but she seems to think they are. None of God&#8217;s ideas need to be &#8220;made better&#8221; by her! Another huge red flag is that despite claiming to have seen a vision of the real Jesus, the &#8220;vision&#8221; seemingly wasn&#8217;t clear enough in her mind to be able to paint it from memory so she had to use a human model of some random man who turned up and knocked on her door and she asked him to sit for her as a model. So the man in her painting isn&#8217;t Jesus. He&#8217;s just a handyman who sat for her as a model. She claims that the model she used resembled the real Jesus, but if she had truly seen a vision of the real Jesus and God had intended her to paint it, I am confident that God would have seared that vision into her mind and she would have been able to paint him perfectly from memory. Also her entire painting career seems to be a huge money-making exercise. She and her family are now extremely rich due to selling her paintings. If she were really in contact with the real Jesus, I very much doubt he would be telling her that he had given her a talent in art just in order to make herself filthy rich. He is far more likely to say that she should give all the money to the poor. You only need to read the gospels to know Jesus&#8217; thoughts on that.</p>
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		By: Deborah (Discerning the World)		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Deborah (Discerning the World)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jul 2017 08:37:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2012/01/24/heaven-is-for-real-this-story-is-not/#comment-457775&quot;&gt;Deidre&lt;/a&gt;.

Dear Deidre

When we are baby Christians we fall into traps set by Satan to capture our imagination and lead us away from Jesus Christ to another Christ.  Some people never grow up spiritually and are drawn further away from Jesus Christ to Satan, others do grow up - like yourself.  


&lt;ol&gt;Ephesians 4:14 &quot;That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;&quot;&lt;/ol&gt;

Having said that, even as gown up Christians we must put on the &lt;strong&gt;whole armour of God&lt;/strong&gt; to stand against the plots and plans of Satan.

&lt;ol&gt;Ephesians 6:11-12&quot;11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. 12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.&quot;&lt;/ol&gt;

Can I ask you a question...

You said &quot;but never tapped into my “Personal Relationship” with Christ until he got me alone and away from all the cares of this world….&quot;

What did you mean?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2012/01/24/heaven-is-for-real-this-story-is-not/#comment-457775" >Deidre</a>.</p>
<p>Dear Deidre</p>
<p>When we are baby Christians we fall into traps set by Satan to capture our imagination and lead us away from Jesus Christ to another Christ.  Some people never grow up spiritually and are drawn further away from Jesus Christ to Satan, others do grow up &#8211; like yourself.  </p>
<ol>Ephesians 4:14 &#8220;That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;&#8221;</ol>
<p>Having said that, even as gown up Christians we must put on the <strong>whole armour of God</strong> to stand against the plots and plans of Satan.</p>
<ol>Ephesians 6:11-12&#8243;11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. 12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.&#8221;</ol>
<p>Can I ask you a question&#8230;</p>
<p>You said &#8220;but never tapped into my “Personal Relationship” with Christ until he got me alone and away from all the cares of this world….&#8221;</p>
<p>What did you mean?</p>
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