Dear Recovering Baptist

I have no idea about Bob. Yes he was lambasted for exposing JMA. But he did an excellent job and ended up sticking to his guns. I spoke to him and told him to not be intimidated (after he removed the info off the internet) – he put it back up.

http://www.incpu.org/concerns-on-JohnM.htm
http://www.incpu.org/calling-macarthur-to-repent.htm
http://www.incpu.org/jmacarthur-mason-family.htm

And this one
http://www.incpu.org/all-connected.htm

Me: Well Bob, are you of the opinion that the world will be under one government in the end times and that the anti-Christ will rule over the world from that government?

Bob: Oh, yes. That is what Revelation teaches.

Me: And do you believe the rapture of the church will take place before that government comes to power?

Bob: Oh, yes. That is what the Bible teaches.

Me: If that is the case, Bob, then would it not be better to work to hasten the day of the rapture, so if Al Mohler is working to create a one world government, we should be helping his cause. The faster the one world government gets into place, the quicker the Lord comes, right?

Bob: Some one else asked me that earlier…. it doesn’t work that way.

Now, now, don’t be surprised when Calvinists partner with Satan himself to hasten his downfall. It just shows you how these guys think. How on earth can anyone hasten the Rapture when God in his sovereign will has decided when it should take place? Calvinists boast that they are the pristine elect few who honor, revere and uphold God’s absolute sovereignty and yet they think they can overrule God’s absolute sovereingty by hastening Antichrist’s appearance on earth and hence the Rapture. Is this not perhaps the reason why John MacArthur, contrary to Calvinist doctrine, believes in the Rapture – to hasten the coming of the Antichrist?

Well , in that case, they should not only invite Albert Mohler to share their pulpit but also little anitichrists like Brian McClaren, Tony Jones, Rob Bell, Doug Paggit, and many others in the Emergent Church fold, because they have mastered the art to invite and help Antichrist to take over the world.

Furthermore, Jesus (not the Jesus of the Calvinists) said that the Antichrist is going to slaughter a multitude of believers during the Great Tribulation. Now we can understand why Calvinists would like to hasten his appearance on the earth. They are merely perpetuating their god, John Calvin’s infamous murderous and bloody history of “Smiting Theological Philistines with a Great Slaughter.”

The infamous spirit of John Calvin is still roaming the earth and “gracing” the pulpits of the Calvinists.

Hi Thomas and Carolyn

I have moved all your comments concerning OSAS to the following article Eternal Security: NOSAS Versus OSAS (Part 1)

My view agrees with this excerpt which is to say that we can fall into unbelief at any point along our walk of faith. I may differ from some of the thinking on this site in that regard, but that is my present stance and what I see in the Scriptures. I don’t believe that we can ever be lost because of stupid choices or mistakes in judgement, or even falling temporarily into sin but I do believe that if we persist in wilful sins, or unbelief once we have been convicted by the Spirit, we CAN fall away, become apostate and end up denying the Lord who bought us. You may say that we were never saved to begin with, but I say we were.

May I ask you a few questions?

1) What is the difference between continuous sins and temporary sins? Don’t you think both have the same devastating effect – separation from God (Isaiah 59:1-2)? If both have the same effect, then we dare not make a distinction between the two.
2) Did Eve sin wilfully or was she beguiled (enticed) to sin?
3) Would you say Solomon is in heaven? If so, why? (Remember, his sins were exceedingly wilful).
4) What did Jesus mean when He said: “But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.” (Luke 22:32). Bear in mind that He did not say “that thy lose not thy faith” or “depart from the faith” but “that thy faith FAIL not.”
5) Would you say that Jesus is praying the same prayer for us than the one He prayed for Peter? If so, why would his prayer fail to keep us on the strait and narrow when it was so successful in Peter’s behalf?
6) What did Paul mean when he said: “Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ.” (Php 1:6. Paul was confident in the Lord; why aren’t you?
7) How would you interpret 2 Corinthians 7:10: “For godly grief produces a repentance that leads to salvation without regret, whereas worldly grief produces death.” (2 Co 7:10). Would you ever regret your salvation and resort to unbelief and apostasy? If not, why do you believe some other children of God would want to do such a silly thing?

Dear Carolyn, we all make mistakes and we are here to watch each other’s back.”

I still haven’t had much time to look over his material so I’m not endorsing him. I did look over what he says about OSAS. He equates it with Calvinism’s perseverence of the saints, which is wrong. But I do agree with his conclusions on the Biblical view of OSAS vs apostasy from the faith through unbelief.

excerpt: “The Biblical View
Let me say at the outset, that I believe the RCC doctrine of salvation by faith plus works is a false gospel that cannot save anyone. I am convinced the Scriptures teach salvation is by God’s grace, not by our own merits. It is a free gift offered to all who believe. Salvation is gained by faith alone, and works have no part whatever in our being saved, or in maintaining our salvation.

Now, some might assume this means one can never depart from God. But this is not true. Many passages indicate true Christians can be lost. How? Through UNBELIEF. One must believe the gospel in order to be saved, and one must continue to believe the gospel to continue “in Christ.” It is as simple as that. Works don’t play any part in initial “believing,” nor do they play a part in your continued “believing.” It is initially by faith, and it continues to be by faith throughout the Christian life.

All of this is taught explicitly in Scripture. In the following series of articles, we will display the evidence for you to judge. OSAS may have some Scriptures that seem to support it. But, there are many Scriptures for which it simply cannot account. Likewise, the RCC might have a couple of verses from James that seem to support their teaching, but there are several Scriptures that flatly contradict their teaching regarding salvation. The truth can be found only by harmonising all of the Scriptures on this topic. The view presented in these articles fully preserves the idea of salvation by grace through faith, not by works. It also integrates the many warnings in Scripture against departing from God.

Salvation by grace through faith alone is at the heart of the Gospel message. While eternal life is a free gift of God’s grace, it is applied to the individual by faith. Man cannot in any way save himself, but he can access the grace of God by simply choosing to accept the offer of salvation through the blood of Christ, when he is drawn by the Holy Spirit. It is through the exercise of the will that he responds to God by faith. Faith is simply believing what God has said, and resting in that promise. A person who is saved by God’s grace through exercising faith continues to believe the Gospel throughout his Christian life. It takes no effort on our part to believe. We simply respond and surrender to the drawing of the Spirit. In fact, true faith is resting in God’s promise, not clinging to it by works of our own merit. It is obvious then, that continuing to maintain one’s faith throughout life requires no effort, but a continued resting in the finished work of Christ. Make no mistake. The warnings in God’s Word are real. For example, in John 15:1-7, Jesus repeatedly warned the disciples to continue “in Christ.” For those who do not heed the warnings, the result is to be “burned.” Many other passages include similar warnings. The early Church held this view. “For when the soul that is united with Christ forsakes its faith, it is given over to perpetual death, viz., eternal punishment.” (Hippolytus, On Daniel, vi). We come to God by faith, but it is through unbelief that one departs from God. By maintaining faith we persevere to the end. But, through unbelief we can depart from God and be eternally damned. Jesus taught that in the last days many would abandon the faith. Paul called this the “falling away.” We need to be aware of the Scriptural teaching regarding our security in Christ, because the danger of apostasy is real.”

It is true that we all make mistakes and we don’t have perfect clarity. I am always grateful for a demonstration of grace and respectful debate. Thank you. And thanks for holding me up in prayer and having my best interests in mind. I know you do.

If you believe that fallacy, then you have to ignore a great many other scriptures that flatly contradict such a preposterous notion.

Leon, you are blinded by the M of Div. Even the educated get deceived by their own foolish lies. Stand back, and see the big picture. I pray God grant you eyes to see and ears to hear.

Just listening to this clip, I can hear lie after lie. We aren’t trying to rescue God’s reputation. The Bible does that very well, if he would just read that instead of Calvin’s distortions.