I do wonder if there is some boastfulness in your baptism i.e. Jesus plus works…

1 Peter 3:20. Have you ever noticed that Noah and his family were saved THROUGH water and not by being immersed IN water. They were floating ON water IN the ark which is a metaphor of Jesus Christ. Only those who were damned to eternal perdition were baptized (dunked UNDER/IN) the water.

Genesis 15:9; 17:9. I don’t see how this validates water baptism. Circumcision was not a foreshadow of water baptism. Jesus was circumcised when he was 8 days old, and He was baptised by John the Baptist when He was 30. And yet He said, “But I have a baptism to be baptized with; and how am I straitened till it be accomplished!” (Luke 12:50). Jesus fulfilled both circumcision and baptism. It is finished. Yet, there are millions who say to his face, “Sorry Jesus, but you neither fulfilled the law of circumcision nor water baptism. We are doing a better job than what you had done by allowing sinful men whose hands we do not know what they may have been doing to baptise us in lots and lots of water.”

1 Corinthians 10:1. Perhaps you should read the whole passage up to verse 12. Only Joshua and Caleb and their wives and sons and daughters were ultimately allowed to enter the Promised Land. The rest all succumbed in the desert because of their sins and disbelief. You cannot use this passage to validate water baptism.

1 John 3:5. Jesus was emphasizing water and the Holy Spirit? Are you serious? I must say your eisegesis is astonishing. It says He was manifested (incarnated) to take away our sins while there was no sin in Him. In other words, the Innocent One died for us, the guilty. Once again, you are putting water H2O on par with the blood of Jesus, and that, my friend is very, very dangerous.

John 3:5. So, are you saying that water baptism is necessary to be saved and receive eternal life? The one thing you’ve missed is that water is mentioned first and then the Holy Spirit. If we should respect simple grammar and honour the first mentioned in sentences, it means that one must first be saved by water before you can receive the Holy Spirit. That’s not biblical. It is plain heresy.

You wrote: “Paul was using both water and Spirit so many times in his epistles.” Have you forgotten that Paul also said, “For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.” (1 Corinthians 1:17). Wow Paul, how dare you suggest that water baptism is not a central part of the Gospel of God?

1 Corinthians 6:11. Are you sure what the difference is between washing with water and washing by blood? When I have worked in our garden the whole day, my body picks up dirt, mud and muck and do not need to go to Jesus to ask Him to cleanse me. I turn on the water in our shower and, lo and behold, all the dirt, dust etc. are washed away in a few minutes. However, when I have sinned and defiled my soul, I MUST go to Jesus and plead with Him to wash me with his blood. (Hebrews 9:22).

I think I have said enough.

Minister Starker. We are not pulling down anyone. We are merely obeying God who commands us to test the spirits to see whether they are from God because MANY false prophets have gone out into the world (1 John 4:1). And indeed we must maintain the unity of the spirit in the bond of peace. However, this spirit must be the Spirit of Truth (John 16:13) and not another spirit.

But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him. (2 Co 11:3-4)

Hi Ted. Do you believe Irenaeus or God’s Word?

Dear deb

You said “Your opening two sentences include “doing the rounds” and “on this guy”; this invalidates all that you judge after that point. Your summations are uninformed; perhaps from some other website that is informed and you just cherry-picked words and phrases. The anger and bitterness in your writing on this person discredits your website.”

I had to laugh, :laugh: After 11 years and over 22,000 comments that’s the weakest most ridiculous comment I’ve had to date.

Try showing us where in our article you think we went wrong and quote scripture to back up your argument, ok?

In the meantime, maybe the reason you don’t understand this article is because of this:

1 Corinthians 2:14 “But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.”