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		By: Deborah (Discerning the World)		</title>
		<link>https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2017/02/17/seeking-salvation-deliverance/#comment-499310</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jan 2024 22:56:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2017/02/17/seeking-salvation-deliverance/#comment-498742&quot;&gt;Garrett&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Garrett

Terribly sorry for late reply.

Yes you can be a Christian and be demonically afflicted. And there might be a reason you are struggling to get rid of some demons that have attached themselves to you.

You said you are attending a Calvinist church. I have to ask, do you believe you were chosen by God to be saved before the foundation of the world, do you believe in the Calvinst acronym TULIP?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2017/02/17/seeking-salvation-deliverance/#comment-498742" >Garrett</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Garrett</p>
<p>Terribly sorry for late reply.</p>
<p>Yes you can be a Christian and be demonically afflicted. And there might be a reason you are struggling to get rid of some demons that have attached themselves to you.</p>
<p>You said you are attending a Calvinist church. I have to ask, do you believe you were chosen by God to be saved before the foundation of the world, do you believe in the Calvinst acronym TULIP?</p>
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		By: Garrett		</title>
		<link>https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2017/02/17/seeking-salvation-deliverance/#comment-498742</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Dec 2023 19:49:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hello Tom and Deborah, I have experienced the baptism of fire and have realized I have been deceived. I rebelled against the fire baptism (kundalini) and almost died in the process of it trying to kill me. On the couch I prayed to Jesus and the Holy Spirit descended on me in a bodily form as the comforter bc I was crying out to Jesus that I wanted to be saved and delivered. For some reason the Holy Spirit didn’t kick out all the demons that indwelt from the fire baptism like smelling in the spirit and street light interference phenomena which started the time of the fire baptism. I’m genuinely confused and trying to fight for Christ and live for him and figure out if I’m saved and while I’m still be afflicted and the demons are restrained from taking over my body. I genuinely did put my trust in him for salvation and his grace and righteousness through faith. It is also worth mentioning that I experienced none of this stuff before the baptism and fire and I’m just looking to have freedom in Christ. Am I saved? If so how can I be freed from these demons? The demons haven’t been able to take control of my body for some reason and make me lose consciousness. It’s always been me in here. I’m really confused and fighting for Christ. Can a Christian be indwelt with demons? I’m at a Calvinist church and have been reading your posts about calvanism. Any help or guidance would be greatly appreciated.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Tom and Deborah, I have experienced the baptism of fire and have realized I have been deceived. I rebelled against the fire baptism (kundalini) and almost died in the process of it trying to kill me. On the couch I prayed to Jesus and the Holy Spirit descended on me in a bodily form as the comforter bc I was crying out to Jesus that I wanted to be saved and delivered. For some reason the Holy Spirit didn’t kick out all the demons that indwelt from the fire baptism like smelling in the spirit and street light interference phenomena which started the time of the fire baptism. I’m genuinely confused and trying to fight for Christ and live for him and figure out if I’m saved and while I’m still be afflicted and the demons are restrained from taking over my body. I genuinely did put my trust in him for salvation and his grace and righteousness through faith. It is also worth mentioning that I experienced none of this stuff before the baptism and fire and I’m just looking to have freedom in Christ. Am I saved? If so how can I be freed from these demons? The demons haven’t been able to take control of my body for some reason and make me lose consciousness. It’s always been me in here. I’m really confused and fighting for Christ. Can a Christian be indwelt with demons? I’m at a Calvinist church and have been reading your posts about calvanism. Any help or guidance would be greatly appreciated.</p>
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		By: Deborah (Discerning the World)		</title>
		<link>https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2017/02/17/seeking-salvation-deliverance/#comment-496988</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Apr 2023 13:25:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2017/02/17/seeking-salvation-deliverance/#comment-496985&quot;&gt;Susan&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Susan.

I agree totally with Tom.

Here is an article I did on the cross.
https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2020/06/30/cross-christian-pagan/]]></description>
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<p>Hi Susan.</p>
<p>I agree totally with Tom.</p>
<p>Here is an article I did on the cross.<br />
<a href="https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2020/06/30/cross-christian-pagan/"  rel="ugc">https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2020/06/30/cross-christian-pagan/</a></p>
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		By: Tom Lessing (Discerning the World)		</title>
		<link>https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2017/02/17/seeking-salvation-deliverance/#comment-496986</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Apr 2023 18:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2017/02/17/seeking-salvation-deliverance/#comment-496985&quot;&gt;Susan&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Susan. Thank you for your comment. You asked, &quot;Also I wanted to ask, I was told that we as Christians are not to wear a cross around a necks. What is your opinion on this please?&quot;

Apart from the fact that it is a very serious offense to make merchandise of people (2 Peter 2:3), the wearing of a crucifix around one’s neck is not biblical.
 
The Amplified Bible says thus, “And in their greed, they will exploit you with false arguments and twisted doctrine. Their sentence [of condemnation which God has decreed] from a time long ago is not idle [but is still in force], and their destruction and deepening misery is not asleep [but is on its way]. (2 Peter 2:3).

Gold, silver, and ruby studded crosses sell for between R600 to R1500 (South African currency). The cursed wooden cross on which Jesus died (Galatians 3:13) was covered in his blood. It was not intended to be worn as an ornament around the neck, let alone as gold, silver, or ruby-studded ornaments.

Wearing a cross supposedly indicates that one is saved. Some of the wickedest Hollywood celebrities and musicians, among them Madonna, wear crosses. God says that true Christians will be known by their fruit. Relics feature very prominently in the Roman Catholic church. Some Christians believe that the wearing of a cross offers protection from evil, while others, Christian and non-Christian, wear cross necklaces as a fashion accessory.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2017/02/17/seeking-salvation-deliverance/#comment-496985" >Susan</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Susan. Thank you for your comment. You asked, &#8220;Also I wanted to ask, I was told that we as Christians are not to wear a cross around a necks. What is your opinion on this please?&#8221;</p>
<p>Apart from the fact that it is a very serious offense to make merchandise of people (2 Peter 2:3), the wearing of a crucifix around one’s neck is not biblical.</p>
<p>The Amplified Bible says thus, “And in their greed, they will exploit you with false arguments and twisted doctrine. Their sentence [of condemnation which God has decreed] from a time long ago is not idle [but is still in force], and their destruction and deepening misery is not asleep [but is on its way]. (2 Peter 2:3).</p>
<p>Gold, silver, and ruby studded crosses sell for between R600 to R1500 (South African currency). The cursed wooden cross on which Jesus died (Galatians 3:13) was covered in his blood. It was not intended to be worn as an ornament around the neck, let alone as gold, silver, or ruby-studded ornaments.</p>
<p>Wearing a cross supposedly indicates that one is saved. Some of the wickedest Hollywood celebrities and musicians, among them Madonna, wear crosses. God says that true Christians will be known by their fruit. Relics feature very prominently in the Roman Catholic church. Some Christians believe that the wearing of a cross offers protection from evil, while others, Christian and non-Christian, wear cross necklaces as a fashion accessory.</p>
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		By: Susan		</title>
		<link>https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2017/02/17/seeking-salvation-deliverance/#comment-496985</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Apr 2023 22:29:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi Tom and Deb,

I was reading about the Nephilim on here.  I was following an on line ministry who talk about the Nephilim and refer to the Book of Enoch regularly.  Your explanation makes so much sense.  I agree why would God our Father produce these entities.  After all Jesus did say:  &quot;even the very hairs of your head are all numbered&quot;  so He knows every one of us. 

Also I wanted to ask,  I was told that we as Christians are not to wear a cross around a necks. What is your opinion on this please?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tom and Deb,</p>
<p>I was reading about the Nephilim on here.  I was following an on line ministry who talk about the Nephilim and refer to the Book of Enoch regularly.  Your explanation makes so much sense.  I agree why would God our Father produce these entities.  After all Jesus did say:  &#8220;even the very hairs of your head are all numbered&#8221;  so He knows every one of us. </p>
<p>Also I wanted to ask,  I was told that we as Christians are not to wear a cross around a necks. What is your opinion on this please?</p>
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		By: Tom Lessing (Discerning the World)		</title>
		<link>https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2017/02/17/seeking-salvation-deliverance/#comment-496909</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Lessing (Discerning the World)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2022 15:51:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2017/02/17/seeking-salvation-deliverance/#comment-496903&quot;&gt;Benjamin&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Benjamin.
Let’s begin with faith. Why must we begin here? Well, because the simplicity in Christ demands only one thing of us as He Himself once said, “Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted (change) and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 18:3). He made it so easy for us to believe and receive Him as our Saviour that even a little child can believe in Him and be saved. In fact, as you may have noticed, this is the only requirement for anyone to be allowed in his Kingdom.

Sadly, many people are deceived by false teachers who tell you that you must be baptized with the Holy Spirit and speak in tongues, get slain in the spirit, heal the sick and all the other stuff you mentioned in your post. Why do they resort to all these things? Well, because their conversion, faith and becoming like a little child are absent in their lives. They probably never got saved. It was for this reason that Paul wrote, “But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.” (2 Corinthians 11:3).

People’s minds are corrupted when they are told by false teachers, “Hey dude you must do this and that, and/or the other thing to get saved.” That’s not true because legalism (“do this, do that”) is not a blessing but a curse. (“For as many as are of the works of the law (any kind of legalism) are under the curse:  . . .”). 

But glory be to God who sent his Son to become a curse on our behalf and died on a cursed tree so that the curse and wrath of God that fell on all mankind due to Adam and Eve’s original sin, could be placed on Him. With his “Eli Eli lama sabachthani?” He took upon Himself the wrath and righteous judgments of God for our sins, as God’s blameless Lamb, and was smitten to death with a single blow of his Father (Isaiah 53:5). He literally uprooted the tree of wisdom and knowledge of good and evil and opened the way to those who believe in Him to the Tree of Life that shall be in his New Jerusalem.

You see, Jesus did everything fully and completely for our salvation on the cross. His cry TETELESTAI (PAID IN FULL) satisfied His Father completely and anyone who tries to add something to his completed work on the cross is playing with fire. Because Jesus’ sacrifice on the cross completely satisfied his Father, He never enters into a business transaction to strike deals, such as running up and down stairs and missing a step to decide whether you are going to follow God or the devil. 

Childlike faith is simply to go on your knees (no running or skipping) and admit (as I see you have already done), and receive by faith his free gift of salvation, thanking Him for his salvation. And by the way, this is the time (at your conversion and salvation) when you receive the full baptism of the Holy Spirit. God never gives his Holy Spirit in bits and pieces to those who are born from above. They receive his Holy Spirit in toto. Don’t let ANYBODY tell you that you need a second blessing and need to speak in other tongues. Their so-called second blessing is an outright denial of the first blessing as I have described in the previous sentence.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2017/02/17/seeking-salvation-deliverance/#comment-496903" >Benjamin</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Benjamin.<br />
Let’s begin with faith. Why must we begin here? Well, because the simplicity in Christ demands only one thing of us as He Himself once said, “Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted (change) and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 18:3). He made it so easy for us to believe and receive Him as our Saviour that even a little child can believe in Him and be saved. In fact, as you may have noticed, this is the only requirement for anyone to be allowed in his Kingdom.</p>
<p>Sadly, many people are deceived by false teachers who tell you that you must be baptized with the Holy Spirit and speak in tongues, get slain in the spirit, heal the sick and all the other stuff you mentioned in your post. Why do they resort to all these things? Well, because their conversion, faith and becoming like a little child are absent in their lives. They probably never got saved. It was for this reason that Paul wrote, “But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.” (2 Corinthians 11:3).</p>
<p>People’s minds are corrupted when they are told by false teachers, “Hey dude you must do this and that, and/or the other thing to get saved.” That’s not true because legalism (“do this, do that”) is not a blessing but a curse. (“For as many as are of the works of the law (any kind of legalism) are under the curse:  . . .”). </p>
<p>But glory be to God who sent his Son to become a curse on our behalf and died on a cursed tree so that the curse and wrath of God that fell on all mankind due to Adam and Eve’s original sin, could be placed on Him. With his “Eli Eli lama sabachthani?” He took upon Himself the wrath and righteous judgments of God for our sins, as God’s blameless Lamb, and was smitten to death with a single blow of his Father (Isaiah 53:5). He literally uprooted the tree of wisdom and knowledge of good and evil and opened the way to those who believe in Him to the Tree of Life that shall be in his New Jerusalem.</p>
<p>You see, Jesus did everything fully and completely for our salvation on the cross. His cry TETELESTAI (PAID IN FULL) satisfied His Father completely and anyone who tries to add something to his completed work on the cross is playing with fire. Because Jesus’ sacrifice on the cross completely satisfied his Father, He never enters into a business transaction to strike deals, such as running up and down stairs and missing a step to decide whether you are going to follow God or the devil. </p>
<p>Childlike faith is simply to go on your knees (no running or skipping) and admit (as I see you have already done), and receive by faith his free gift of salvation, thanking Him for his salvation. And by the way, this is the time (at your conversion and salvation) when you receive the full baptism of the Holy Spirit. God never gives his Holy Spirit in bits and pieces to those who are born from above. They receive his Holy Spirit in toto. Don’t let ANYBODY tell you that you need a second blessing and need to speak in other tongues. Their so-called second blessing is an outright denial of the first blessing as I have described in the previous sentence.</p>
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		By: Tom Lessing (Discerning the World)		</title>
		<link>https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2017/02/17/seeking-salvation-deliverance/#comment-496908</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Lessing (Discerning the World)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2022 14:31:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2017/02/17/seeking-salvation-deliverance/#comment-496903&quot;&gt;Benjamin&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Benjamin. I will try to answer you ASAP. Please be patient. Tom]]></description>
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<p>Hi Benjamin. I will try to answer you ASAP. Please be patient. Tom</p>
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		By: Deborah (Discerning the World)		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Deborah (Discerning the World)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2022 11:45:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2017/02/17/seeking-salvation-deliverance/#comment-496903&quot;&gt;Benjamin&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Benjamin. 

We&#039;ve read your comment and Tom and/or I will reply asap. Don&#039;t worry. 

I&#039;m not sure which article you commented under - a bit of a glitch we&#039;re having.  So I&#039;ve attached your comment under Seeking Deliverance and Salvation article. Please read if you have not done so already. ]]></description>
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<p>Hi Benjamin. </p>
<p>We&#8217;ve read your comment and Tom and/or I will reply asap. Don&#8217;t worry. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure which article you commented under &#8211; a bit of a glitch we&#8217;re having.  So I&#8217;ve attached your comment under Seeking Deliverance and Salvation article. Please read if you have not done so already. </p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2022 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Tom &#038; Deborah
I ask for your help, advice, prayer and knowledge please? Please be honest. I am very concerned, almost scared. When I was around 10 years old a preacher from the church my family went to came over to the house and wanted to talk to me. We talked about Christianity and salvation I can&#039;t really remember much. I was very rebellious against God. Sometime later I was downstairs in the basement on the stairs and trying to decide if I was going to be for God or for the devil. I came up with a deal if I skipped a certain step going up the stairs from then on I would be for God if I didn&#039;t skip it I would be for the devil. As time passed I couldn&#039;t keep from stepping on that step. Around 1991 when I was 15 - 16 I was at church with my sister and father. He was the lead singer and he started giving his being saved experience testimony. I was still rebellious and wouldn&#039;t go to the altar when I became very sorrowful and felt a tugging on my heart then I opened my mouth and called out Jesus! After church and we got home I never said anything about my experience I was very introverted and backward. I was all by myself downstairs in the basement thinking about what had happened to me and got happy and singing and felt this love for the brethren come over me. I went and took a bath and heard something tell me that I didn&#039;t get saved. Me still being on the fence about the whole idea and what had happened I came into agreement with this notion that I heard. never telling anyone about my experience at that time. 1 -2 years later a friend that I hung around with asked me if I had ever been saved and I told him that I had been but to not tell anyone else about it. During that time and later I was living like a never been born again sinner. I ended up getting engaged. I heard something tell me not to marry her but I did anyway. We had a son. She committed adultry on me so we got a divorce. A friend of mine had started preaching and invited me to his church. I went and announced that I had previously been saved. I continued sinning committing fornication and adultry with a friends wife. One time I did something that my whole being was against me doing but I did it anyway later I was made aware that I went against my conscience. Then I moved in with a different girlfriend and we lived together around 5 years. One time I made a deal with God that if he would do such and such that I would serve him because I was sinning and was almost to the point of being out of my control. Then I was getting a lot of sickness and I ended up going to a Chiropractor and he recommended some supplements a diet and gave me a adjustment. After the visit I was really thinking hard about his techniques and abilities. About a year later my pancreas starts hurting. I find a closer Chiropractor that says they think they can help me. I go. She gives me a adjustment and some supplements. Again I deeply think about her technique and abilities. 3 days later I consider all the Chiropractor visits and health problems and wonder if it&#039;s something hereditary. I decided to go to my mother and sisters apartment to talk to them. On my way there I start feeling this unseen entity enter into my body. I feel discomfort in my heart. I think what now? Am I having a heart attack? This filling up last for about a whole minute or longer it seemed. I get to their apartment and both of them claimed to be Christians. They thought it was a Christian experience. I&#039;m not sure but I may have said a word or two in a unknown tongue. I agreed with them thinking it was a Christian experience. I later thought that I had received the Baptism of the Holy Ghost. I then by the reccomendation of a coworker was baptized in water at his church. I helped my girlfriend move out and into another apartment. We started going to her sort of/ she called him father&#039;s church. They laid hands on the sick there and prayed for them. I got the notion that I was called to lead the singing there. Then my ex mother in law asked me to go to church with her so I prayed about it and had a dream where my head was spinning and I woke up with the name of the church in my head so I started going there too. This church seemed more mature. They laid hands on the sick, ran around the sanctuary, danced, shouted, was slain in the spirit and spoke in unknown tongues. I became active in all of this as well except the tongues. I started attending a private Bible study. The teacher focused on freedom and the law of liberty. I took this even further and started preaching and teaching 1 John 3:9 and other scriptures that supported my doctrine. Right after my supposed baptism of the holy spirit I started getting attacked left and right. I had 3 car wrecks, cut my wrists 3 times was injured from the car wrecks and lost my job then my house and my cars were gone. I ended up homeless and moved to the southern part of the country preaching and teaching another Gospel and thinking I was a Apostle and telling people that they had been called to be a Apostle too. My very worst experience was one day (I can&#039;t remember the details) I felt this Spirit entering me. It was a more compact, focused Spirit it came into me and sat upon what seemed to be my heart like it was a devil on a throne with a protrusion that entered my heart and just forced itself into me this was very concerning and still is. Sometime after this I was working trying to better myself living in transitional housing and I would get this pain in my right side and it would affect people it seemed in a very evil way. I couldn&#039;t stand this I cursed God then jumped in front of a commuter train and woke up in the hospital. Since then till recently when I found your site I have been living pretty much free of demonic affliction but it has came back now since I&#039;ve turned from all false doctrines. Once upon a time I had bad kidney infections. I fasted for a week or longer and they received healing but it seems that was from the devil and now he&#039;s putting hurt on them again. I repent of all my evil doing and am very sorry for them. I have turned from all sinning, submitting myself to God and resisting the devil. I&#039;m not a quitter. I can&#039;t give up. I&#039;m still hoping for better days. I&#039;m glad that I found this site it has really opened my eyes and it is very knowledgeable and interesting.
P.S. If you approve of it please pray for all demonic activity to be gone out of my being and for my physical and overall health. Thank you.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom &amp; Deborah<br />
I ask for your help, advice, prayer and knowledge please? Please be honest. I am very concerned, almost scared. When I was around 10 years old a preacher from the church my family went to came over to the house and wanted to talk to me. We talked about Christianity and salvation I can&#8217;t really remember much. I was very rebellious against God. Sometime later I was downstairs in the basement on the stairs and trying to decide if I was going to be for God or for the devil. I came up with a deal if I skipped a certain step going up the stairs from then on I would be for God if I didn&#8217;t skip it I would be for the devil. As time passed I couldn&#8217;t keep from stepping on that step. Around 1991 when I was 15 &#8211; 16 I was at church with my sister and father. He was the lead singer and he started giving his being saved experience testimony. I was still rebellious and wouldn&#8217;t go to the altar when I became very sorrowful and felt a tugging on my heart then I opened my mouth and called out Jesus! After church and we got home I never said anything about my experience I was very introverted and backward. I was all by myself downstairs in the basement thinking about what had happened to me and got happy and singing and felt this love for the brethren come over me. I went and took a bath and heard something tell me that I didn&#8217;t get saved. Me still being on the fence about the whole idea and what had happened I came into agreement with this notion that I heard. never telling anyone about my experience at that time. 1 -2 years later a friend that I hung around with asked me if I had ever been saved and I told him that I had been but to not tell anyone else about it. During that time and later I was living like a never been born again sinner. I ended up getting engaged. I heard something tell me not to marry her but I did anyway. We had a son. She committed adultry on me so we got a divorce. A friend of mine had started preaching and invited me to his church. I went and announced that I had previously been saved. I continued sinning committing fornication and adultry with a friends wife. One time I did something that my whole being was against me doing but I did it anyway later I was made aware that I went against my conscience. Then I moved in with a different girlfriend and we lived together around 5 years. One time I made a deal with God that if he would do such and such that I would serve him because I was sinning and was almost to the point of being out of my control. Then I was getting a lot of sickness and I ended up going to a Chiropractor and he recommended some supplements a diet and gave me a adjustment. After the visit I was really thinking hard about his techniques and abilities. About a year later my pancreas starts hurting. I find a closer Chiropractor that says they think they can help me. I go. She gives me a adjustment and some supplements. Again I deeply think about her technique and abilities. 3 days later I consider all the Chiropractor visits and health problems and wonder if it&#8217;s something hereditary. I decided to go to my mother and sisters apartment to talk to them. On my way there I start feeling this unseen entity enter into my body. I feel discomfort in my heart. I think what now? Am I having a heart attack? This filling up last for about a whole minute or longer it seemed. I get to their apartment and both of them claimed to be Christians. They thought it was a Christian experience. I&#8217;m not sure but I may have said a word or two in a unknown tongue. I agreed with them thinking it was a Christian experience. I later thought that I had received the Baptism of the Holy Ghost. I then by the reccomendation of a coworker was baptized in water at his church. I helped my girlfriend move out and into another apartment. We started going to her sort of/ she called him father&#8217;s church. They laid hands on the sick there and prayed for them. I got the notion that I was called to lead the singing there. Then my ex mother in law asked me to go to church with her so I prayed about it and had a dream where my head was spinning and I woke up with the name of the church in my head so I started going there too. This church seemed more mature. They laid hands on the sick, ran around the sanctuary, danced, shouted, was slain in the spirit and spoke in unknown tongues. I became active in all of this as well except the tongues. I started attending a private Bible study. The teacher focused on freedom and the law of liberty. I took this even further and started preaching and teaching 1 John 3:9 and other scriptures that supported my doctrine. Right after my supposed baptism of the holy spirit I started getting attacked left and right. I had 3 car wrecks, cut my wrists 3 times was injured from the car wrecks and lost my job then my house and my cars were gone. I ended up homeless and moved to the southern part of the country preaching and teaching another Gospel and thinking I was a Apostle and telling people that they had been called to be a Apostle too. My very worst experience was one day (I can&#8217;t remember the details) I felt this Spirit entering me. It was a more compact, focused Spirit it came into me and sat upon what seemed to be my heart like it was a devil on a throne with a protrusion that entered my heart and just forced itself into me this was very concerning and still is. Sometime after this I was working trying to better myself living in transitional housing and I would get this pain in my right side and it would affect people it seemed in a very evil way. I couldn&#8217;t stand this I cursed God then jumped in front of a commuter train and woke up in the hospital. Since then till recently when I found your site I have been living pretty much free of demonic affliction but it has came back now since I&#8217;ve turned from all false doctrines. Once upon a time I had bad kidney infections. I fasted for a week or longer and they received healing but it seems that was from the devil and now he&#8217;s putting hurt on them again. I repent of all my evil doing and am very sorry for them. I have turned from all sinning, submitting myself to God and resisting the devil. I&#8217;m not a quitter. I can&#8217;t give up. I&#8217;m still hoping for better days. I&#8217;m glad that I found this site it has really opened my eyes and it is very knowledgeable and interesting.<br />
P.S. If you approve of it please pray for all demonic activity to be gone out of my being and for my physical and overall health. Thank you.</p>
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		By: Deborah (Discerning the World)		</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Guy</p>
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