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		By: Tom Lessing (Discerning the World)		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Sep 2016 09:11:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2016/07/31/soaking-lost-art-now-newly-found-idol/#comment-452938&quot;&gt;chris&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you, Chris, Appreciate it. Calling on the Name of Jesus (Acts 2:21) is an essential for salvation and not just believing (James 2:19).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2016/07/31/soaking-lost-art-now-newly-found-idol/#comment-452938" >chris</a>.</p>
<p>Thank you, Chris, Appreciate it. Calling on the Name of Jesus (Acts 2:21) is an essential for salvation and not just believing (James 2:19).</p>
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		By: chris		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Sep 2016 02:49:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Tom (Discerning the World) wrote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Chris,
 Would you mind telling us how you were saved?

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sure, that is fine. I will give you the short of it. it was when I accept Jesus was the giver of life, and decided to humble myself and accept His work on the cross. I was in my late teens. Unfortunately I was brought into the Kingdom by way the charismatic movement(tbn style). so I have a lot of undoing going on. Not that I will ever deny the &quot;charismatic&quot; gifts have ceased. I believe God is still using people in those gifts today. But there is a lot bad theology and out right herecies among the people who, in my opinion, dwell on the gifts and have an &quot;Orbital Hermeneutics&quot; about it. :) 
I appreciate the article
thanks for writing it. 
 
Most Importantly thank you for exposing the herecies of Calvinism. That is how I found your site. I was looking for answers to what I had been exposed to and felt like I could not refute. I was on the verge of wanting to find another path in life, or give up on caring and live like an atheist. Because if Calvinism is true then I don&#039;t want anything to do with Christianity. They preach God is hate. #somelivesmatter]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom (Discerning the World) wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>Chris,<br />
 Would you mind telling us how you were saved?</p>
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<p>sure, that is fine. I will give you the short of it. it was when I accept Jesus was the giver of life, and decided to humble myself and accept His work on the cross. I was in my late teens. Unfortunately I was brought into the Kingdom by way the charismatic movement(tbn style). so I have a lot of undoing going on. Not that I will ever deny the &#8220;charismatic&#8221; gifts have ceased. I believe God is still using people in those gifts today. But there is a lot bad theology and out right herecies among the people who, in my opinion, dwell on the gifts and have an &#8220;Orbital Hermeneutics&#8221; about it. 🙂<br />
I appreciate the article<br />
thanks for writing it. </p>
<p>Most Importantly thank you for exposing the herecies of Calvinism. That is how I found your site. I was looking for answers to what I had been exposed to and felt like I could not refute. I was on the verge of wanting to find another path in life, or give up on caring and live like an atheist. Because if Calvinism is true then I don&#8217;t want anything to do with Christianity. They preach God is hate. #somelivesmatter</p>
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		By: Tom Lessing (Discerning the World)		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Lessing (Discerning the World)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2016 04:26:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2016/07/31/soaking-lost-art-now-newly-found-idol/#comment-452773&quot;&gt;Chris&lt;/a&gt;.

Chris,

I think you misunderstood my article. The sole purpose of soaking - which is akin to contemplative and centering prayer - is to bring one into the presence of God. If the people in the video understood the blood of Christ they would never have participated in an occult practice like soaking. Why? Here&#039;s the reason:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Heb 10:19-20
(19)  Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
(20)  By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh.&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2016/07/31/soaking-lost-art-now-newly-found-idol/#comment-452773" >Chris</a>.</p>
<p>Chris,</p>
<p>I think you misunderstood my article. The sole purpose of soaking &#8211; which is akin to contemplative and centering prayer &#8211; is to bring one into the presence of God. If the people in the video understood the blood of Christ they would never have participated in an occult practice like soaking. Why? Here&#8217;s the reason:</p>
<blockquote><p>Heb 10:19-20<br />
(19)  Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,<br />
(20)  By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh.</p></blockquote>
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		By: Tom Lessing (Discerning the World)		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Aug 2016 14:13:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2016/07/31/soaking-lost-art-now-newly-found-idol/#comment-452776&quot;&gt;Chris&lt;/a&gt;.

Chris,

You are deceived to think that soaking is merely a farce. It is actually a tool of the devil to keep people away from the real Jesus Christ. They may think they are in the presence of Jesus but they are actually in the presence of Satan who masquerades as an angel of light. 

You&#039;re right, we can only know whether someone is saved when we ask them (1 Peter 3:15). So, let me ask you. Would you mind telling us how you were saved?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2016/07/31/soaking-lost-art-now-newly-found-idol/#comment-452776" >Chris</a>.</p>
<p>Chris,</p>
<p>You are deceived to think that soaking is merely a farce. It is actually a tool of the devil to keep people away from the real Jesus Christ. They may think they are in the presence of Jesus but they are actually in the presence of Satan who masquerades as an angel of light. </p>
<p>You&#8217;re right, we can only know whether someone is saved when we ask them (1 Peter 3:15). So, let me ask you. Would you mind telling us how you were saved?</p>
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		By: Tom Lessing (Discerning the World)		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Aug 2016 14:00:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2016/07/31/soaking-lost-art-now-newly-found-idol/#comment-452777&quot;&gt;Chris&lt;/a&gt;.

Chris,

I really don&#039;t think the discussion of the blood of Christ - even among the already saved saints - is a turnoff. 

You wrote:

&lt;blockquote&gt;There was nothing mentioned of the blood of Christ because the audience it’s directed toward are people already saved and understand the blood.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Surely you must know that the dimension of Christ&#039;s blood is so vast that Christians can speak about it every single day, and still not exhaust the magnanimous meaning of his blood. Don&#039;t you think Christians (saved people in the video, as you call them) should rather speak about the blood of Christ than getting involved in some of the most dangerous occultic practices? The occult is a tool of Satan, my  friend.

Let met now ask you again. How do you know that the people who are involved in occult practices in the video are saved? Please answer me. And if you can&#039;t, then say so.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2016/07/31/soaking-lost-art-now-newly-found-idol/#comment-452777" >Chris</a>.</p>
<p>Chris,</p>
<p>I really don&#8217;t think the discussion of the blood of Christ &#8211; even among the already saved saints &#8211; is a turnoff. </p>
<p>You wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>There was nothing mentioned of the blood of Christ because the audience it’s directed toward are people already saved and understand the blood.</p></blockquote>
<p>Surely you must know that the dimension of Christ&#8217;s blood is so vast that Christians can speak about it every single day, and still not exhaust the magnanimous meaning of his blood. Don&#8217;t you think Christians (saved people in the video, as you call them) should rather speak about the blood of Christ than getting involved in some of the most dangerous occultic practices? The occult is a tool of Satan, my  friend.</p>
<p>Let met now ask you again. How do you know that the people who are involved in occult practices in the video are saved? Please answer me. And if you can&#8217;t, then say so.</p>
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		By: Chris		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Aug 2016 13:38:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I can only assume you either like to argue or needed a come back to have had asked if I knew if everyone in the video is saved. 
Which is a turn off for me in regards to this site]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can only assume you either like to argue or needed a come back to have had asked if I knew if everyone in the video is saved.<br />
Which is a turn off for me in regards to this site</p>
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		By: Chris		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Aug 2016 13:30:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[To be fair We must ask how do we know everyone acting like a berean like us are saved? Or is everyone that has bought into calvinism with it&#039;s irresistable grace is saved? We can&#039;t unless we test them and/or ask them.  
Though your question is a legitment question it isn&#039;t one that I believe to be relevant. We both know the soaking thing is a farce. Especially me from experience. So what does it matter if they are all saved or not? It&#039;s a side subject]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be fair We must ask how do we know everyone acting like a berean like us are saved? Or is everyone that has bought into calvinism with it&#8217;s irresistable grace is saved? We can&#8217;t unless we test them and/or ask them.<br />
Though your question is a legitment question it isn&#8217;t one that I believe to be relevant. We both know the soaking thing is a farce. Especially me from experience. So what does it matter if they are all saved or not? It&#8217;s a side subject</p>
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		By: Tom Lessing (Discerning the World)		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Lessing (Discerning the World)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Aug 2016 18:05:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2016/07/31/soaking-lost-art-now-newly-found-idol/#comment-452773&quot;&gt;Chris&lt;/a&gt;.

Chris

How do you know that everyone in the video is saved?]]></description>
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<p>Chris</p>
<p>How do you know that everyone in the video is saved?</p>
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		By: Chris		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Aug 2016 15:35:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Tom (Discerning the World) wrote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;chris,

Indeed we are to enter his gates with thanksgiving and not with a mind blinded by a technique that cannot possibly bring anyone into the presence of God. Did you hear any mention of the blood of Christ in the video I posted?

Music cannot bring you into the presence of God. So what’s the point in using it? Furthermore, the repetitive “La, La, La, La, La” in her song is also a way to bring the practitioners of soaking into an altered state of consiousness.

&lt;/blockquote&gt;


There was nothing mentioned of the blood of Christ because the audience it&#039;s directed toward are people already saved and understand the blood.    Anyway, the video was insightful. I only hope that these extreme charismatic brothers and sister heed the call to wake up even as I have.
The music issue is obviously a side argument.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom (Discerning the World) wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>chris,</p>
<p>Indeed we are to enter his gates with thanksgiving and not with a mind blinded by a technique that cannot possibly bring anyone into the presence of God. Did you hear any mention of the blood of Christ in the video I posted?</p>
<p>Music cannot bring you into the presence of God. So what’s the point in using it? Furthermore, the repetitive “La, La, La, La, La” in her song is also a way to bring the practitioners of soaking into an altered state of consiousness.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>There was nothing mentioned of the blood of Christ because the audience it&#8217;s directed toward are people already saved and understand the blood.    Anyway, the video was insightful. I only hope that these extreme charismatic brothers and sister heed the call to wake up even as I have.<br />
The music issue is obviously a side argument.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Aug 2016 06:11:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2016/07/31/soaking-lost-art-now-newly-found-idol/#comment-452729&quot;&gt;Doreen R, Rhodes&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Doreen R. Rhodes,

Thank you for your comment. You have touched on a very important aspect of false doctrine and that is the sexual connotation. Throughout history, false religious practices have gone hand in hand with sexual sins. Think of the golden calf, for instance.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2016/07/31/soaking-lost-art-now-newly-found-idol/#comment-452729" >Doreen R, Rhodes</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Doreen R. Rhodes,</p>
<p>Thank you for your comment. You have touched on a very important aspect of false doctrine and that is the sexual connotation. Throughout history, false religious practices have gone hand in hand with sexual sins. Think of the golden calf, for instance.</p>
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