Comments on: Pre-Trib – Suppressing the Truth in Unrighteousness https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2016/06/11/pre-trib-suppressing-truth-unrighteousness/ Discerning Biblical Answers for Christians in Todays World Mon, 30 Aug 2021 17:52:57 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.1 By: Tom Lessing (Discerning the World) https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2016/06/11/pre-trib-suppressing-truth-unrighteousness/#comment-496381 Sun, 10 Jan 2021 05:31:57 +0000 https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2016/06/11/copy-of-pre-trib-suppressing-the-truth-in-unrighteousness/#comment-496381 In reply to Kevin Gregory.

Kevin Gregory. What’s the point in quoting whole passages from Scripture whilst you’re entire eschatological context is completely wrong? Let me ask you this: What is God’s purpose with the seven-year tribulation (Daniels 7oth week)? Quoting whole passages from Scripture, as you did, without giving us any hint why you are doing so, is rather confusing. What’s your point?

]]> By: Kevin Gregory https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2016/06/11/pre-trib-suppressing-truth-unrighteousness/#comment-496380 Sat, 09 Jan 2021 20:27:44 +0000 https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2016/06/11/copy-of-pre-trib-suppressing-the-truth-in-unrighteousness/#comment-496380 [DELETED by DTW – all your spam has been deleted – read Tom’s reply to you.]

]]> By: Kevin Gregory https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2016/06/11/pre-trib-suppressing-truth-unrighteousness/#comment-496375 Sat, 09 Jan 2021 19:33:33 +0000 https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2016/06/11/copy-of-pre-trib-suppressing-the-truth-in-unrighteousness/#comment-496375 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. All these are the beginning of sorrows. Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name’s sake. And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened. Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Behold, I have told you before. Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together. Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh. Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season? Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods. But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken; The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of, And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
(Mat 24:3-51)

]]> By: Shane Shaddix https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2016/06/11/pre-trib-suppressing-truth-unrighteousness/#comment-486826 Mon, 12 Nov 2018 20:13:02 +0000 https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2016/06/11/copy-of-pre-trib-suppressing-the-truth-in-unrighteousness/#comment-486826 The catching up of the saints which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord does not happen until the dead rise first (the resurrection)(I Thess. 4:16-17). Therefore no rapture til the resurrection. Job said no resurrection til the heavens be no more(Job 14:12). Now John says ” the heaven departed” after the sun becomes black as sackcloth of hair, the moon becomes as blood; and the stars fall from heaven(Rev. 6:12-14). My Lord seems to be referring to this same event which He says happens after, that is, immediately after the tribulation of those days (Matt. 24:29-31). Notice the gathering of the elect in verse 31..therefore no rapture til after the tribulation of those days (the great tribulation ) see Matt.24:21. Also my Lord said the resurrection is ” at the last day”(John 6:39,40,44,54) 4 times in one discourse, he said at the last day, not seven years before. Also my Lord charged His church to go and teach all nations, baptizing them, teaching them to observe all things that He has commanded us, and He promised to be with us for this “even unto the end of the world” (not to be confused with seven years before the end). My Lord also said He would gather the children of the kingdom at the end of the world (Matt. 13:30 and 39), (this also not to be confused with seven years before the end of the world). all this is in perfect harmony with Paul’s timeline in Eph. 1;10, II Thess. 1:7-8, and 2:1-4. As for Scofield, Darby, Pentecost, and Dallas Theological for that matter, who cares? They are no authority . Please brethren, keep it Bible. I will stick with Job, John, Paul, and most certainly my Lord, to Whom all honor, praise, and glory. AMEN

PS All this is in perfect harmony with Peter’s timeline (II Pet. 3) “the heavens shall pass away”

]]> By: Deborah (Discerning the World) https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2016/06/11/pre-trib-suppressing-truth-unrighteousness/#comment-454030 Mon, 20 Feb 2017 15:18:02 +0000 https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2016/06/11/copy-of-pre-trib-suppressing-the-truth-in-unrighteousness/#comment-454030 In reply to May I Not Clang.

May I Not Clang

I’m not saying anything, all I know is that if you disagree with Prasch you are on his hit list. If you don’t disagree with him you are in his good books.

]]> By: May I Not Clang https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2016/06/11/pre-trib-suppressing-truth-unrighteousness/#comment-454021 Sun, 19 Feb 2017 23:25:51 +0000 https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2016/06/11/copy-of-pre-trib-suppressing-the-truth-in-unrighteousness/#comment-454021 ====>>>>>”never question him like Kay Arthur and Caryl Matrisciana did…they obviously never questioned him”<<<<<==== What???? Have I misunderstood? Are you saying Caryl Matrisciana had some tie to Jacob Prasch? If so was she not pre-trib, was she a nephilim espouser as well?

]]> By: Deborah (Discerning the World) https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2016/06/11/pre-trib-suppressing-truth-unrighteousness/#comment-453952 Wed, 15 Feb 2017 09:18:22 +0000 https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2016/06/11/copy-of-pre-trib-suppressing-the-truth-in-unrighteousness/#comment-453952 In reply to Jackie.

Hi Jackie

Thank you for your comment. I really appreciate it!

I went to watch this video, my goodness he just never stops. You see if you as a woman follow Jacob Prasch and never question him like Kay Arthur and Caryl Matrisciana did…they obviously never questioned him, then you are as a women allowed to preach, but if you question him…ohhhhhhhh now you have occurred the wrath of Jacob Prasch and you become crazy, demented, vile, a witch etc.

Jacob Prasch…I pray for your salvation.

]]> By: Tom Lessing (Discerning the World) https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2016/06/11/pre-trib-suppressing-truth-unrighteousness/#comment-453165 Tue, 04 Oct 2016 09:42:51 +0000 https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2016/06/11/copy-of-pre-trib-suppressing-the-truth-in-unrighteousness/#comment-453165 In reply to Jackie.

Thanks Jackie,

You have confirmed what we have been experiencing with Prasch for many years. He is not a nice man.

Indeed, women are at liberty to teach sound doctrine, with the emphasis on “sound,” especially in marriages and in situations where the men have failed to do their godly duty. I for one sat under the teaching of an elderly woman for many years in her weekly Bible studies and never regretted it. However, in today’s climate of global feminism most churches, and in particular the WOF and prophetic movement ministries, have gone overboard in their appointment of female pastors. This is not a good thing because most of them are still very young and not at all well-grounded in Scripture. In God’s order of things, women are not supposed to make unilateral decisions, especially in matters of spiritual importance. When Eve gave the forbidden fruit to her husband she had already eaten of it. I’m not saying that men are not prone to deceit. In fact, men have contributed a lot of the rubbish that is being disseminated in churches today. Nonetheless, it does not take away the fact that God has a certain order of things and we are supposed to honor it. Yes of course women should not be silenced when men teach false doctrines and lead many astray. They should speak out against it boldly

]]> By: Jackie https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2016/06/11/pre-trib-suppressing-truth-unrighteousness/#comment-453160 Mon, 03 Oct 2016 20:29:11 +0000 https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2016/06/11/copy-of-pre-trib-suppressing-the-truth-in-unrighteousness/#comment-453160 Hi. I have read through your posts on Jacob Prasch. I use to like him but have since seen the light of his railings and bad mouth. There was a bit of a scuffle between him and his ministry and a woman discernment blogger. In the video included in her post about her experience with Prasch (I will link both below) he mentions you towards the end of the video. SMH am just shocked at how ungodly Jacob Prash is. And the woman whom he names in the video as “godly” one of them is Kay Arthur, who is into contemplative prayer and mysticism. :-/

Video – http://youtu.be/ejpQZdVFZAE

Post – https://mkayla.wordpress.com/2016/07/13/an-encounter-with-a-madman-or-two/

]]> By: Tom Lessing (Discerning the World) https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2016/06/11/pre-trib-suppressing-truth-unrighteousness/#comment-452691 Wed, 27 Jul 2016 15:48:47 +0000 https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2016/06/11/copy-of-pre-trib-suppressing-the-truth-in-unrighteousness/#comment-452691 In reply to al.

al

The problem Jacob Prasch has is that he either does not understand Scripture or outrightly denies what it teaches.

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