Comments on: Caught Up By Jesus Christ Or Caught By A False Christ

By: Martin Horan

Martin Horan — Tue, 16 Dec 2014 14:50:16 +0000

Thank you, Jamie. I do know that the Bible teaches God as being a spirit and that Jesus was a man. God is not a gender being a spirit, you appear to be saying. However, Jesus and God the Father Himself are identified in male gender terms. I am taking on Debs’ point with Amanda that God is not female or identifed in the Bible as masculine. I had a friend who got into Signs and Wonders who told me that if you dream of the Holy spirit and He appears as feminine. That’s nowhere in the Bible. People who come up with such ideas are going beyond Scripture.

By: Jamie

Jamie — Sun, 07 Dec 2014 02:39:20 +0000

Martin, The gender of God is not a gender. The bible teaches God as being a Spirit. Now Jesus the messiah was a MAN, “masculine”. I’m sure you already know this.

By: Jamie

Jamie — Sun, 07 Dec 2014 02:35:15 +0000

In Exodus we read the history of Egypt and God’s wrath while the Hebrews ( God’s chosen ) remained in Egypt. I think we have to take all the bible in account to bring balance in truth and purity of the word united with the discernment of the Holy Spirit. God did not allow any of His wrath to come upon the Hebrew people while in the midst He was dealing out wrath to Egypt. You see when the blood is applied in obedience God’s hand protects us in the midst of His wrath to the ungodly.

By: Martin Horan

Martin Horan — Tue, 29 May 2012 14:09:29 +0000

I know I’m a bit late in the proverbial day getting into the feminine Holy Spirit argument.
The grammatical terms masculine and feminine are purely that–grammatical terms! They have nothing whatsoever to do with the sex of what’s being referred to.
Masculine, feminine and neuter have nothing to do with nouns like man, woman, boy, girl, dog cat, cow, bull, &c. In some languages a certain word can be masculine and in another language the same word will be a different gender. Actually, in the same language you can have synomymous nouns the gender of which changes regarding the specific noun.
The argument of masculine or feminine in the Bible taken from the gender of the noun is absurd.
The lines of Alexander Pope come to mind:
A little learning is a dangerous thing;
Drink deep or taste not of the Perian spring,
For there shallow draughts intoxicate the brain,
While drinking largely sobers us again.
Pope is merely pointing out here that jumping to conclusions without having all the facts it not a very sensible thing to do. It makes us appear foolish.
To imagine that the gender of a noun in Hebrew or Greek is telling us the gender of God is quite foolish.

By: Deborah (Discerning the World)

Deborah (Discerning the World) — Tue, 26 Jan 2010 13:07:12 +0000

In reply to Deborah (Discerning the World).

GrowingAndLearning

I know I am having probs with my internet connection. But you seem to have disappeared. Are you still up to telling me why what I said under all my Louie Giglio articles is NOT true?

You are very quick to tell me I am wrong, yet can’t tell me why. Since being offline I have read 2 of his book which provides even more information as to what the believes.

Have you managed to do any research so far on WHAT contemplative spirituality is? (hint: in this case we are looking at centering prayer).

Or are you just going to ‘believe’ that he is kosher?

By: Deborah (Discerning the World)

Deborah (Discerning the World) — Wed, 20 Jan 2010 21:50:55 +0000

In reply to GrowingandLearning. GrowingAndLearning >>Preach the gospel and look forward to Jesus’ return I have already said similar in my longer comment here: http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/01/06/the-rapture-an-article-to-knock-your-socks-off/#comment-2730 >> I mentioned before that I do know what contemplative spirituality is, and don’t believe Louie Giglio is involved in it - even after your posts. Go do your research, then come back... in fact lets go too the Giglio article(s) and you tell me point by point based on his articles why there is not one ounce of contemplative spirituality being taught by him? This way we will tell who knows what contemplative spirituality is and is not. Are you up to it? I've already stated my comments in the article, now you need to tell me why what I said is NOT true.

By: GrowingandLearning

GrowingandLearning — Wed, 20 Jan 2010 09:13:20 +0000

i’m just saying we mustn’t forget the point. Where does it say a seven year tribulation? Rev 13:5 and Dan 7:25, as examples, could be referring to a number of things. There are so many ways all these verses could be interpreted… and by making this our focus we can lose the plot. Preach the gospel and look forward to Jesus’ return, don’t sit and do maths with the book of revelation and look out for the antichrist’s return, or a number of antichrists. If post-trib, pre-trib, whatever trib is your focus you’ll lose the point. That is IMHO.

I mentioned before that I do know what contemplative spirituality is, and don’t believe Louie Giglio is involved in it – even after your posts. Why are you so sure you know what contemplative spirituality is? Just asking.

By: Deborah (Discerning the World)

Deborah (Discerning the World) — Wed, 20 Jan 2010 08:55:51 +0000

In reply to GrowingandLearning.

GrowingandLearning

>> a seven year treaty? Come guys, where is this actually in the Bible? Sure, it’s in commentaries and books and opinions, but it’s not so black and white in the Bible. I’ve read the verses, they can be read numerous ways.)

Not a 7 year treaty. A 7 year tribulation. with the establishement of a peace treaty where Israel is divided and given to the Palestinians. What part of this massive on going saga did you miss on the news? lol. Half way through the anti-Christ set’s himself up in the temple in Jerusalem and declares himself to be God. this is the 2nd part of the tribulation called the great tribulation and this is the part that you do not want to be in.

And it’s as clear as daylight in the bible.

Anyhow GrowingandLearning. I think before you get all wrapped up in this topic, you need to go and find out what contemplative spirituality means. If you follow this teaching preached by 99% pastors and ministries nowadays you will find yourself in a spot of trouble. You commented under the Louie Giglio articles not knowing really what he preaches. So go find out, you have a mass library at your finger tips. Please, I am not joking.

By: GrowingandLearning

GrowingandLearning — Wed, 20 Jan 2010 07:15:03 +0000

I said above: “We can in many ways predict a round-about time of his return”. I was saying this in the context that if we take all this trib stuff too seriously we can predict his return in some way. This is wrong. No one knows the day or the hour (and don’t say ‘oh we could know the year or the round-about time because Jesus only mentions a day or an hour, I’ve heard someone say that and that is seriously nonsense). Just thought that needed to be cleared up. When we talk of a ‘seven year treaty’ we are in effect saying we have an idea when he will return, because when the seven years or up or when we see people gathered against Israel etc. etc., we can have an idea that he is going to return any time then. I don’t think that’s right.

By: GrowingandLearning

GrowingandLearning — Wed, 20 Jan 2010 07:10:48 +0000

Jesus says that no one knows the day or the hour. We won’t know when He’ll come. If we take all this pre-trib, post-trib, whatever-trib stuff too seriously we miss the point. We can in many ways predict a round-about time of his return (a seven year treaty? Come guys, where is this actually in the Bible? Sure, it’s in commentaries and books and opinions, but it’s not so black and white in the Bible. I’ve read the verses, they can be read numerous ways.)

This is a secondary doctrine. Solid eschatology does not have to be complicated or detailed, the basics are: Jesus will come again, we don’t know when, he will put all things right and judge the living and the dead. Those who believe will have eternal life. Outside of that we are speculating and trying our best to understand, but we must make sure we don’t miss the point.