Hi Patsy, Paul deals with the Law, mainly in his epistle to the Galatians. In fact, your statement “We understand Matthew 5 (may be read in entirety) that we should still try to please and glorify our Father in heaven by keeping the law, while understanding, we cannot in our human frailty do so, which is very reason we need Messiah, . . . The very fact that you are trying to keep the Law, even with the help of Messiah, is ample proof that you cannot possibly keep the Law. Jesus was not sent by his Father to help us or assist us in keeping the Law? He was sent to deliver us from the curse of the Law. Why would God the Father demand of us to keep his Law when his Son has already fulfilled the Law? OR, to help us maintain the curse of the Law?

For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. For Christ is the end of the law [fulfillment) for righteousness to every one that believeth. (Rom 10:3-4).

Why would you want to perpetuate a curse when Christ has already ended it, has made it of null effect for all those who believe in Him?

Listen to Paul:

For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith [and not the Law].. (Gal 3:10-14).

Anyone who tries to keep the Law, even with the help of the Messiah, is in effect denying that Christ was made a curse for us in order to redeem us from the curse of the Law. In fact, Paul says, they have fallen from grace.

Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith. (Gal 5:4-5)

For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. (Jas 2:10)

Thank you.

Dear Brother Robert

You said “I have visited many seventh day churches”

Why are you visiting SDA churches?

You said “I have visited many seventh day churches and they teach more truth than most churches”… then you go on to say “BUT they are sadly mistaken when it comes to the rest of what they teach.”

Here is proof the entire church is completely FALSE:

These ARE Ellen G Whites beliefs:

1. Christ’s death, resurrection, and assention to Heaven:

– SDA’s believe that Jesus did not die as God but as a mere man, God the Father was absent during Christ’s death, that He did not revive Christ from the dead or called him from the grave, but that an angel instead; God remained absent and Jesus first had to go into the air and had to refuse the worship of the heavenly hosts until He was ‘approved’ by his Father.

2. A belief in the Godhead of the Holy Trinity.

– Adventists claim to believe fully in the trinity But Adventists also believe that Christ is Michael the Archangel. They are greatly taken aback when they learn that Christianity cannot accept this belief that in fact it is anathema to Christianity. This destroys the doctrine of the Holy Trinity.

3. A belief in the final authority of the Bible as doctrinal instructor-

– “The Bible and the Bible only”. Adventists will readily assure the inquiring Christian that their beliefs are based on the Bible alone but the Adventist Church has gone on official record a number of times to demonstrate that Ellen White is the final arbiter, the infallible interpreter of the Bible; and this has commonly been taught from the pulpit to Adventist believers. To my knowledge, not once has Adventism ever taken any position that contradicts Ellen White’s teachings. Adventism must stand or fall on her word.

4. A belief in Justification through Faith.

– Here Adventism vehemently proclaims that it believes in justification through faith. This doctrine, however, has caused and continues to cause more confusion in the Adventist Church than any other doctrine the “Justification/sanctification” interpretations from the pen of Ellen White not only contradict the Bible but contradict each other. This leaves the SDA reader who follows Mrs White completely confused on the subject.
By far the most appalling of Ellen White’s “Justification through Sanctification” heretical statements are these from her most widely-circulated book, The Great Controversy Between Christ and Satan:

“Those who are living upon the earth when the intercession of Christ shall cease in the sanctuary above, are to stand in the sight of a holy God without a mediator. Their robes must be spotless, their characters must be purified from sin by the blood of sprinkling. Through the grace of God and their own diligent effort, they must be conquerors in the battle with evil “. (p 425)

“In that fearful time the righteousness must live in the sight of a holy God without an intercessor” (p. 614)

SDA teaches at best a contradictory doctrine of Justification through Faith, in which perfectionism is stressed over faith.

Other things Ellen G Whites believes:

5 Hell is not eternal torment (Unscriptural!)
6 Baptismal regeneration (Unscriptural!)
7 Investigative Judgment (Unscriptural!)
8 Salvation by Works (Unscriptural!)
9 Satan is the joint sin bearer (Unscriptural!)
10 Soul sleep (Unscriptural!)

Dear Brother Robert, please let me know what the SDA church is divided on?

Regarding the Mark of the Beast. Christians (The bride of Christ) will be raptured before Tribulation starts. The Mark of the Beast is imposed on the world during the 2nd half of the Trib, during the start of the 2nd 3.5 years. Bible is clear, it’s a MARK on the hand or forehead. And the world will know EXACTLY what it is, it wont be something hidden to fool people into taking it. It’s a decision you will have to make – take the mark and you can buy and sell and live, or don’t take it and starve etc or be killed. I said in an article here:

Can a person who receives the Mark of the Beast be forgiven and saved by Jesus Christ after they have made this dreadful decision because their hearts are terribly wicked? The answer lies within the following verses (Revelation 14:10-11). No you can’t, not because God won’t forgive you, but because you will refuse to repent. The moment you accept and declare your allegiance to Satan you will “…drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.”

Because of this decision you make you will align yourself with Satan once and for all and you will refuse to repent – you will alienate yourself from the love of God forever.

Ones eternal destiny is totally at stake and the lake of fire (hell) is reserved for all those who take the Mark of the Beast. If you take this Mark, which will be clearly identified to all, so no one will take it without realizing what they are taking, you will be denying God outright and worshiping Satan as your master instead. You will eternally separate yourself from God because you refuse to repent.” http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2017/04/21/unforgivable-sin/

See Toms Lessing’s article here where the SDA partner with Rome: https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2017/07/21/the-shack-william-paul-young-part-2/ Scroll down to heading: “PAPA & SEVENTH DAY ADVENTISTS”

If you are in the SDA church Brother Robert, please come out of the SDA church.

Brother Robert

Are you suggesting that the Holy Spirit is the One who indicts those who keep Sundays holy as having the mark of the beast? The mark of the beast will only be given to those who worship Antichrist during the Great Tribulation, not now.

Werner

Please show me exactly why you think the 7th Day Adventists are correct. Starting off you can tell me why you think Prophetess Ellen G White is biblical.

Thank you

Werner,

Me thinks you are deceived.

The anti-christ has long been identified as the papacy. Who instituted Sunday as a day of worshiping God? The papacy did!(do online research) Why would the papacy who is the enemy of Jesus Christ change the day of worship from the true Sabbath which is Saturday to Sunday? Has it anything to do with worshiping the sun and in doing that worship satan? Even the name of the day points to the sun, and we know all through the ages people opposing God worshiped the sun(Egiptions, Baal etc).

Another point I want to make is, is the churches of today discard the 10 commandment and thus they cant use it to punish or chastise the members of the church when things like adultery etc is going on. And I am not saying, and the SDA is not saying you cant be saved by works No only by believing on Jesus can you be saved.

Satan has infiltrated the SDA church and I believe the head of the SDA church is now a Jesuit priest working for the papacy.

As for Ellen G White she was Christ like in every way, not without sin but a true christian, gave her live for reaching the lost and exalting Jesus Christ. It is a theme in all her books.

Martin

>> So, if it is at a certain time–and the Bible says it is–why should it be at a certain time and not prior to that. Why would it be okay for Christians to worship then and not not during the Great Tribulation?

Exactly!