You said “In conclusion, I would like to encourage all the women who are whining and whinging about the hurt and the suffering caused by Jacob Prasch’s railings and start reminding themselves what Jesus said:

Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness’ sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you. (Matthew 5:10-12).”

Amen :clap:

Pat wrote

Treena is not alone and there will be more. Blessings
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Indeed, Treena is not alone. She is not the only one doing the very same thing Jacob Prasch has been doing for many years. The only difference is that her attacks are much subtler than Prasch’s. Some of the Christians who have started a vendetta against Jacob Prasch called “me too” under the guise of having been hurt and having suffered immensely through his railings are just as guilty as he in their promotion of false doctrines. Please don’t get me wrong. I am not condoning Prasch’s railings. It is disgusting, just as disgusting as the endorsement of false doctrines. Bear in mind what Peter wrote when he said:

As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. (2 Peter 3:16).

The archaic meaning of “wresting” is “to distort the meaning or interpretation of (something) to suit one’s own interests or views.” Treena seems to be blissfully unmindful of her own distortions when she desperately tries to defend her Pre-wrath rapture doctrine. Allow me to explain.

Several people wrote comments on her blog post “THE INTRA-SEAL RAPTURE DECEPTION EXPOSED: FINAL TRANSCRIPT PUBLISHED.” One post, in particular, caught my eye because it typifies to perfection the modus operandi anti-Pre-tribbers use to vilify Christ’s glorious return at the Pre-trib Rapture. The one thing I hate most is when Christians have the audacity to employ unsubstantiated arguments to prove a point and, in the process, vilify God and his Gospel in public. Someone, who goes by the name of Colin wrote:

“We can certainly commend Jacob Prasch for his stand against the unbiblical pre-trib rapture, a false teaching that we believe will prove to be a means of great deception as the present age draws to a close.”

I cannot recall my exact words in response to his comment because Treena approved it at first and then removed it when I wrote some more comments. However, the gist of it was something like this.

“It matters very little what others believe when the catalyst for friendship is hatred of the Pre-trib Rapture. It sounds exactly like “the same-no-difference-rotten-old-song” Prasch uses in his railings against Christians.”

That seemed to have sparked some anger in Treena Gisborn. She immediately scolded me for being so disrespectful, of course, at the risk of not scolding Colin for being so disrespectful of God and his doctrine of the Rapture. In fact, she blessed him. Let us do some elementary biblical maths to prove that Colin’s statement “We can certainly commend Jacob Prasch for his stand against the unbiblical pre-trib rapture, a false teaching that we believe will prove to be a means of great deception as the present age draws to a close” is the very same as using the word “rotten.” Here goes,

Unbiblical = (equals) going against God’s Truth.
Going against God’s Truth = (equals) lies.
Lies = (equals) works of Satan (John 8:44)
Works of Satan = (equals) rotten.

And yet, she did not scold Colin. I never could understand why Christians have no qualms to rebuke those who have the chutzpah to expose people who vilify God and his doctrines in public and yet protect those who do their dirty work of vilifying God in public. Do they have more respect for the latter than for God?

Nevertheless, I continued to post some comments which she graciously approved but later deleted them together with some others in which I asked some pertinent questions. I asked her.

“If the rapture takes place at the end of the seven-year tribulation and at the same time as Christ’s Second Coming, who is going to populate the Millennium in their natural bodies, especially in the light of the fact that ALL the believers are going to shed the vile bodies in exchange for their new incorruptible bodies?”

Her answer was somewhat of a humdinger fairy-tale. She responded by saying that the Jews are going to be protected in Petra, a place prepared for them until Christ returns at his Second Advent. Voila, and here we have the folk who are going to enter the Millennium in their natural bodies – a Jews-only scenario, I may add. In my follow-up comment I wrote the following:

“The Jews are not going to be raptured but will be kept safe in Petra until Jesus Christ returns? Is that why the prophet Jeremiah called the seven-year tribulation “Jacob’s safety haven?” and why Jesus said, “For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.” . . . but don’t fret the Jews will be kept safe in Petra.’ (Matthew 24:21). What about the poor Gentiles who are going to come to repentance and faith in Jesus Christ during the tribulation? Will God protect them as He does the Jews, and if not, why not? If the Jews are going to be kept safe until Jesus returns, then God must keep them safe from the beginning and keep them from signing their death warrant with Antichrist (Daniel 9:27).

By the way, your view of the Jews being kept safe begs the question whether only Jews are going to enter the Millennium in their natural bodies and that only the dead and living tribulation Gentiles are going to be raptured.”

That’s was it. She brought down the ax with a vengeance and deleted all my comments, even those she wrote herself in response to mine. The big question is: Why did she do so? I suspect she did it because she failed to answer my questions. False teachers usually go into a flat spin when they are confronted with pertinent questions and immediately excommunicate you, which, by the way, is worse that vitriolic verbal abuse.

In conclusion, I would like to encourage all the women who are whining and whinging about the hurt and the suffering caused by Jacob Prasch’s railings to start reminding themselves what Jesus said:

Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness’ sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you. (Matthew 5:10-12).

Hi Ida and Robbie

My current opinion is that he is ok, but that is without researching his teaching thoroughly…

I just want to add, a pastor crying is not a sign of ‘trying to mislead’ either… I just take caution when I see this because I’ve seen a few very cunning false teachers use tears to ‘soften ones heart to false teaching’.

More claims are made by – https://endtimesprophecyreport.com/2016/04/26/david-wilkerson-false-prophet/ – but like I said, to me it lacks evidence at this stage…

Hi Ida :hi:

I think he is ok, but have not checked.

I always get confused between Bruce Wilkinson and David Wilkerson

I had to learn to not let pastor’s tears and emotions when preaching get the better of me. We seem to think because they are crying they must be genuine. Listen to what they preach Ida, that’s where you find the truth of the matter.

I don’t find the information on David Wilkerson, as I thought this article would give me. Is there any information on him, is he a false preacher? I find a lot of truth in his stuff, he cries a lot also. Thanks, you are doing a good job. The truth will set us free.

Mary

I agree with you wholeheartedly!!

Neither of their gospels will save you, they have been such a source of division for christians. Their teachings will mislead you. They are both salvation by works gospels, they preach an accursed gospel. They will held accountable for all the souls they have misled.

Stay away from the Calvanists/Arminst/Romanists, too many people follow John Macarthur, just because he is intelligent and articulate, pray for Mac that he comes out of his error, he has been told by many that he is in error. I believe he is a modern day judaiser. If u are not one of the elect, i am afraid JM its not good news. Calvanists have a differnt gospel and Jesus. Pray for god to open their eyes to this satanic jesus they serve.