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		By: Deborah (Discerning the World)		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2012/07/02/the-general-conversation-section-if-you-dont-know-where-to-say-it-say-it-here/#comment-501448&quot;&gt;Mojo&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Mojo

As per email, Tom mentioned an excellent article on Preterism by The Berean Call. 

https://www.thebereancall.org/content/september-2011-q-and-a-1]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2012/07/02/the-general-conversation-section-if-you-dont-know-where-to-say-it-say-it-here/#comment-501448" >Mojo</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Mojo</p>
<p>As per email, Tom mentioned an excellent article on Preterism by The Berean Call. </p>
<p><a target="_blank" href="https://www.thebereancall.org/content/september-2011-q-and-a-1"  rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.thebereancall.org/content/september-2011-q-and-a-1</a></p>
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I would like to know if there are any articles on this website regarding the preterist views.  I put it in the search box, but nothing comes up.

Thank you:)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deborah and Thomas,</p>
<p>I would like to know if there are any articles on this website regarding the preterist views.  I put it in the search box, but nothing comes up.</p>
<p>Thank you:)</p>
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		By: Deborah (Discerning the World)		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Nov 2019 12:37:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2012/07/02/the-general-conversation-section-if-you-dont-know-where-to-say-it-say-it-here/#comment-494552&quot;&gt;Marthina Fourie&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Marthina Fourie :hi:

Tom answered you in our FB group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ExposingFalseTeachinginSouthAfrica/permalink/2680480098694183/
Please join :smile:]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2012/07/02/the-general-conversation-section-if-you-dont-know-where-to-say-it-say-it-here/#comment-494552" >Marthina Fourie</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Marthina Fourie :hi:</p>
<p>Tom answered you in our FB group: <a target="_blank" href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/ExposingFalseTeachinginSouthAfrica/permalink/2680480098694183/"  rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.facebook.com/groups/ExposingFalseTeachinginSouthAfrica/permalink/2680480098694183/</a><br />
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		By: Tom Lessing (Discerning the World)		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Nov 2019 10:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2012/07/02/the-general-conversation-section-if-you-dont-know-where-to-say-it-say-it-here/#comment-494552&quot;&gt;Marthina Fourie&lt;/a&gt;.

Dankie Marthina vir jou comment. Daar is deesdae so baie valse leringe en leermeesters dat dit uiters moeilik is om tred te hou. Daarom is ons so dankbaar vir mense soos jy wat ons attent maak op nuwe verwikkelinge. Ons sal beslis inskakel op die links wat jy gestuur het om verder agter die kap van die Bybel te kom.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2012/07/02/the-general-conversation-section-if-you-dont-know-where-to-say-it-say-it-here/#comment-494552" >Marthina Fourie</a>.</p>
<p>Dankie Marthina vir jou comment. Daar is deesdae so baie valse leringe en leermeesters dat dit uiters moeilik is om tred te hou. Daarom is ons so dankbaar vir mense soos jy wat ons attent maak op nuwe verwikkelinge. Ons sal beslis inskakel op die links wat jy gestuur het om verder agter die kap van die Bybel te kom.</p>
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		By: Marthina Fourie		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Goeiedag Tom en Deborah.  
Ek lees al &#039;n paar jaar julle website artikels en dit is my &#039;go-to&#039; vir enige vrae wat ek mag hê rondom Christenskap in vandag se tye.   My vraag is of een van julle al te doen gehad het met Cornerstone Ministries en Francois De Wet se YouTube kanaal genoem  Changing Paradigms.   My soeke na Bybelse verklarings oor die huidige droogte in S.A. het my gelei na hierdie webblad.   As julle enigsins kans kry om daarna te kyk sal ek dit baie waardeer.   Ek vertrou en respekteer julle oordeel en sal graag wil hoor wat julle dink.

Publications are in pdf format and can be downloaded here:
https://changingparadigms.co.za/index...
Main YouTube Page: 
https://www.youtube.com/user/Changing...
Websites:
www.changingparadigms.co.za
www.cornerstoneministries.co.za]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Goeiedag Tom en Deborah.<br />
Ek lees al &#8216;n paar jaar julle website artikels en dit is my &#8216;go-to&#8217; vir enige vrae wat ek mag hê rondom Christenskap in vandag se tye.   My vraag is of een van julle al te doen gehad het met Cornerstone Ministries en Francois De Wet se YouTube kanaal genoem  Changing Paradigms.   My soeke na Bybelse verklarings oor die huidige droogte in S.A. het my gelei na hierdie webblad.   As julle enigsins kans kry om daarna te kyk sal ek dit baie waardeer.   Ek vertrou en respekteer julle oordeel en sal graag wil hoor wat julle dink.</p>
<p>Publications are in pdf format and can be downloaded here:<br />
<a target="_blank" href="https://changingparadigms.co.za/index"  rel="nofollow ugc">https://changingparadigms.co.za/index</a>&#8230;<br />
Main YouTube Page:<br />
<a target="_blank" href="https://www.youtube.com/user/Changing"  rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/user/Changing</a>&#8230;<br />
Websites:<br />
<a target="_blank" href="http://www.changingparadigms.co.za"  rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.changingparadigms.co.za</a><br />
<a target="_blank" href="http://www.cornerstoneministries.co.za"  rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.cornerstoneministries.co.za</a></p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Oct 2019 13:38:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2012/07/02/the-general-conversation-section-if-you-dont-know-where-to-say-it-say-it-here/#comment-494431&quot;&gt;Tom (Discerning the World)&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks Tom

Well there we have it.  You know churches start off seemingly ok, and slowly but surely slip in false teaching little by little to the dumbed down congregation who have left their brains at the door.  As time goes by the Pastor will introduce more Pastors who preach even more rubbish.  It&#039;s the &lt;strong&gt;slow indoctrination&lt;/strong&gt; that ensnares everyone in the end.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2012/07/02/the-general-conversation-section-if-you-dont-know-where-to-say-it-say-it-here/#comment-494431" >Tom (Discerning the World)</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks Tom</p>
<p>Well there we have it.  You know churches start off seemingly ok, and slowly but surely slip in false teaching little by little to the dumbed down congregation who have left their brains at the door.  As time goes by the Pastor will introduce more Pastors who preach even more rubbish.  It&#8217;s the <strong>slow indoctrination</strong> that ensnares everyone in the end.</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Oct 2019 13:17:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2012/07/02/the-general-conversation-section-if-you-dont-know-where-to-say-it-say-it-here/#comment-494430&quot;&gt;Deborah (Discerning the World)&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi D.W. Cusens, 

I notice that Stephan Joubert delivered a sermon in LewenSentrum on the Kingdom of God on 5 May 2019. He mentions Eugene Peterson right in the beginning who believes, like Joubert that the Kingdom of God is already here on earth.

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;strong&gt;EUGENE PETERSON PREFERS POETRY AND FICTION OVER BIBLE STUDY&lt;/strong&gt;
November 21, 2005
TBC Staff
The importance of poetry and novels is that the Christian life involves the use of the imagination, after all, we are dealing with the invisible. And, imagination is our training in dealing with the invisible, making connections . . . .

I don&#039;t want to do away with or denigrate theology or exegesis, but our primary allies in this business are the artists . . . . Why do people spend so much time studying the Bible? How much do you need to know? We invest all this time in understanding the text which has a separate life of it&#039;s own and we think we&#039;re being more pious and spiritual when we&#039;re doing it . . . . [Christians] should be studying it less, not more. You just need enough to pay attention to God . . . . I&#039;m just not at all pleased with all the emphasis on Bible study as if it&#039;s some kind of special thing that Christians do, and the more they do the better.&quot; [&quot;A Conversation with Eugene Peterson,&quot; &quot;Mars Hill Review,&quot; Fall 1995, Issue No. 3: pgs 73-90.]

[TBC: It is shocking, but not surprising, that Peterson esteems Bible study so little. While claiming to be a Greek and Hebrew scholar on one hand, Peterson regularly abandons definitions from Strong&#039;s (and other trusted sources) for his own poetic &quot;translation&quot; into today&#039;s &quot;lingo.&quot; That such carelessness is applauded by leading evangelicals is astounding. Peterson is much more careful with his interviews today -- but these earlier comments reveal his rationale for taking such &quot;creative liberty&quot; with Scripture in his corrupted &quot;paraphrase&quot; of God&#039;s Word called &quot;The Message.&quot; Peterson says, &quot;imagination is our training in dealing with the invisible.&quot; What an astounding contradiction of God&#039;s Word! (which says): &quot;Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth&quot; (2 Timothy:2:15
); &quot;All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works&quot; (2 Timothy:3:16-17).]&lt;/blockquote&gt;

https://www.thebereancall.org/content/eugene-peterson-prefers-poetry-and-fiction-over-bible-study

Stephan Joubert, like Euegene Peterson, doesn&#039;t like it when you study the Bible and, therefore, you must listen to their abhorrent twisting of God&#039;s Word

&lt;blockquote&gt;As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, &lt;strong&gt;as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.&lt;/strong&gt; (2 Peter 3:16)&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2012/07/02/the-general-conversation-section-if-you-dont-know-where-to-say-it-say-it-here/#comment-494430" >Deborah (Discerning the World)</a>.</p>
<p>Hi D.W. Cusens, </p>
<p>I notice that Stephan Joubert delivered a sermon in LewenSentrum on the Kingdom of God on 5 May 2019. He mentions Eugene Peterson right in the beginning who believes, like Joubert that the Kingdom of God is already here on earth.</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>EUGENE PETERSON PREFERS POETRY AND FICTION OVER BIBLE STUDY</strong><br />
November 21, 2005<br />
TBC Staff<br />
The importance of poetry and novels is that the Christian life involves the use of the imagination, after all, we are dealing with the invisible. And, imagination is our training in dealing with the invisible, making connections . . . .</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want to do away with or denigrate theology or exegesis, but our primary allies in this business are the artists . . . . Why do people spend so much time studying the Bible? How much do you need to know? We invest all this time in understanding the text which has a separate life of it&#8217;s own and we think we&#8217;re being more pious and spiritual when we&#8217;re doing it . . . . [Christians] should be studying it less, not more. You just need enough to pay attention to God . . . . I&#8217;m just not at all pleased with all the emphasis on Bible study as if it&#8217;s some kind of special thing that Christians do, and the more they do the better.&#8221; [&#8220;A Conversation with Eugene Peterson,&#8221; &#8220;Mars Hill Review,&#8221; Fall 1995, Issue No. 3: pgs 73-90.]</p>
<p>[TBC: It is shocking, but not surprising, that Peterson esteems Bible study so little. While claiming to be a Greek and Hebrew scholar on one hand, Peterson regularly abandons definitions from Strong&#8217;s (and other trusted sources) for his own poetic &#8220;translation&#8221; into today&#8217;s &#8220;lingo.&#8221; That such carelessness is applauded by leading evangelicals is astounding. Peterson is much more careful with his interviews today &#8212; but these earlier comments reveal his rationale for taking such &#8220;creative liberty&#8221; with Scripture in his corrupted &#8220;paraphrase&#8221; of God&#8217;s Word called &#8220;The Message.&#8221; Peterson says, &#8220;imagination is our training in dealing with the invisible.&#8221; What an astounding contradiction of God&#8217;s Word! (which says): &#8220;Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth&#8221; (2 Timothy:2:15<br />
); &#8220;All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works&#8221; (2 Timothy:3:16-17).]</p></blockquote>
<p><a target="_blank" href="https://www.thebereancall.org/content/eugene-peterson-prefers-poetry-and-fiction-over-bible-study"  rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.thebereancall.org/content/eugene-peterson-prefers-poetry-and-fiction-over-bible-study</a></p>
<p>Stephan Joubert, like Euegene Peterson, doesn&#8217;t like it when you study the Bible and, therefore, you must listen to their abhorrent twisting of God&#8217;s Word</p>
<blockquote><p>As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, <strong>as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.</strong> (2 Peter 3:16)</p></blockquote>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Oct 2019 11:47:37 +0000</pubDate>
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Dear D.W. Cusens

Oh my but are you reading my mind? lol :smile: On Sunday I went to the shops and drove past this church (which I do rather regularly) and thought to myself, &quot;I&#039;ve got to attend to see what makes this place so popular, the expensive cars line up for blocks, barely a poor-mans car in sight - ok it&#039;s in Meyersdal which is a rich area&quot;.  

I&#039;ll watch some videos on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCtm2_dMH80tRgIYG_ViV-KQ/playlists

Is there any teaching in particular that you have heard that does not sit right with you?

The One Eyed Symbolism doesn&#039;t make me at all happy, let&#039;s hope it was not intentional:

&lt;img src=&quot;http://www.discerningtheworld.com/images/wpi/LewenSentrum-Alberton-One-Eye-symbolism-520x245.jpg&quot; alt=&quot;Lewen Sentrum Gemeente Alberton - One Eye Symbolism&quot;/&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2012/07/02/the-general-conversation-section-if-you-dont-know-where-to-say-it-say-it-here/#comment-494429" >D.W. Cusens</a>.</p>
<p>Dear D.W. Cusens</p>
<p>Oh my but are you reading my mind? lol 🙂 On Sunday I went to the shops and drove past this church (which I do rather regularly) and thought to myself, &#8220;I&#8217;ve got to attend to see what makes this place so popular, the expensive cars line up for blocks, barely a poor-mans car in sight &#8211; ok it&#8217;s in Meyersdal which is a rich area&#8221;.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll watch some videos on youtube: <a target="_blank" href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCtm2_dMH80tRgIYG_ViV-KQ/playlists"  rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCtm2_dMH80tRgIYG_ViV-KQ/playlists</a></p>
<p>Is there any teaching in particular that you have heard that does not sit right with you?</p>
<p>The One Eyed Symbolism doesn&#8217;t make me at all happy, let&#8217;s hope it was not intentional:</p>
<p><img src="http://www.discerningtheworld.com/images/wpi/LewenSentrum-Alberton-One-Eye-symbolism-520x245.jpg" alt="Lewen Sentrum Gemeente Alberton - One Eye Symbolism"/></p>
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Question, I am concerned about the doctrine and teaching of Andries Enslin of LewenSentrum Alberton? People love this guy and i hope that he is solid. Can you please advise me about my concerns, last days deceit is very real as the scriptures warn us.
Regards
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tom<br />
Question, I am concerned about the doctrine and teaching of Andries Enslin of LewenSentrum Alberton? People love this guy and i hope that he is solid. Can you please advise me about my concerns, last days deceit is very real as the scriptures warn us.<br />
Regards<br />
D.W. Cusens</p>
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Hi Claudia 

It&#039;s sooooo wonderful to hear from all our readers, truly you make Tom and I really happy. Thank you! :like:]]></description>
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<p>Hi Claudia </p>
<p>It&#8217;s sooooo wonderful to hear from all our readers, truly you make Tom and I really happy. Thank you! :like:</p>
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