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		By: Sharon		</title>
		<link>https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/10/26/new-calvinism-catching-a-gullible-generation/#comment-248853</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jun 2013 18:43:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Infant Baptism&quot; is not biblical. Open your Bible and find one scripture that says that we should have our babies baptized. There are none. Yes Baptist is a major issue because there are cults like the Great Whore, the Roman Catholic system that started this blasphemy. Then it got passed on to Lutheranism because Martin Luther &quot;reformed&quot; nothing within the catholic system. Here in America the &quot;Church of Christ&quot; (which they are not) believe that you MUST be baptized to be saved. That is a heresy from Rome as well. IF baptism could save us then Jesus Christ would not have had to go to the cross to atone for the sins of all mankind. Baptism has nothing to do with our Salvation. There is no water pure enough to &quot;wash away our sins.&quot; Baptism is the first act of obedience after we&#039;re saved. What about the thief on the cross that got saved? Did he come down and be baptized? No, because it has nothing to do with salvation.

As far as drinking alcohol. I personally do not drink any alcohol. Never have and not planning on starting. It is not the last drink someone just had that makes them an alcoholic, it was the very first drink they ever had.

Peace, His peace to you. That peace is only
found in Jesus Christ, not in baptism.








Truthfirst wrote:
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What’s wrong with drinking wine? This should NOT be a principled issue issue for mature Christians. Only if a friend would be an (ex) alcoholic would one abstain in his/her absence as to not tempt him/her.And of course there is no justification for drunkenness!Neither should baptism be so divisive that it leads to condemnation. I fully support infant baptism on biblical grounds but this is not a deal (salvation) breaker. What IS though is ecumenism. Some of the above writers have been rather legalistic in their doctrine (wine, baptism)but seem to subsequently overlook the danger of and abhorrence God shows for being unevenly yoked,which is exactly what ecumenism, and worse: interfaith efforts (e.g. Chrislam) is/are. Let’s not get too worked up about Calvinism. The real danger these days for the Bride of Christ are those vociferously attacking conservative Christian doctrine, part of which overlaps with Calvinism. It’s the Rick Warren’s and Bill Hybels of this world and their Emerging Church we have to be aware of, and their potential to lead millions and millions astray!!!&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Infant Baptism&#8221; is not biblical. Open your Bible and find one scripture that says that we should have our babies baptized. There are none. Yes Baptist is a major issue because there are cults like the Great Whore, the Roman Catholic system that started this blasphemy. Then it got passed on to Lutheranism because Martin Luther &#8220;reformed&#8221; nothing within the catholic system. Here in America the &#8220;Church of Christ&#8221; (which they are not) believe that you MUST be baptized to be saved. That is a heresy from Rome as well. IF baptism could save us then Jesus Christ would not have had to go to the cross to atone for the sins of all mankind. Baptism has nothing to do with our Salvation. There is no water pure enough to &#8220;wash away our sins.&#8221; Baptism is the first act of obedience after we&#8217;re saved. What about the thief on the cross that got saved? Did he come down and be baptized? No, because it has nothing to do with salvation.</p>
<p>As far as drinking alcohol. I personally do not drink any alcohol. Never have and not planning on starting. It is not the last drink someone just had that makes them an alcoholic, it was the very first drink they ever had.</p>
<p>Peace, His peace to you. That peace is only<br />
found in Jesus Christ, not in baptism.</p>
<p>Truthfirst wrote:</p>
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What’s wrong with drinking wine? This should NOT be a principled issue issue for mature Christians. Only if a friend would be an (ex) alcoholic would one abstain in his/her absence as to not tempt him/her.And of course there is no justification for drunkenness!Neither should baptism be so divisive that it leads to condemnation. I fully support infant baptism on biblical grounds but this is not a deal (salvation) breaker. What IS though is ecumenism. Some of the above writers have been rather legalistic in their doctrine (wine, baptism)but seem to subsequently overlook the danger of and abhorrence God shows for being unevenly yoked,which is exactly what ecumenism, and worse: interfaith efforts (e.g. Chrislam) is/are. Let’s not get too worked up about Calvinism. The real danger these days for the Bride of Christ are those vociferously attacking conservative Christian doctrine, part of which overlaps with Calvinism. It’s the Rick Warren’s and Bill Hybels of this world and their Emerging Church we have to be aware of, and their potential to lead millions and millions astray!!!</p></blockquote>
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		By: Sharon		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jun 2013 17:15:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This is pathetic at best. Satan has repackage old heresy in new wrappings. 

According to Time Magazine &#039;New Calvinism&#039; is the third biggest idea that is changing the world right now. Here are some thoughts on new versus old Calvinism. 

Four Ways &#039;New Calvinism&#039; is So Powerful:

1. Old Calvinism was fundamental or liberal and separated from or syncretized with culture. 

New Calvinism is missional and seeks to create and redeem culture.

My comments: When did Jesus tell us to go change/redeem culture? We are to be witnesses for Him. New Calvinism is &quot;missional?&quot; Since when has anything in Calvinism been concerned with missions? Why bother wasting your breath, resources and time on those who most likely are &quot;non-elect?&quot;



2.Old Calvinism fled from the cities. 

New Calvinism is flooding into cities.

My Comment: No it wasn&#039;t &quot;Old Calvinism&quot; that fled from the cities. It was the non-Calvinists that had to flee from the cities or be burned and/or beheaded. New-Calvinism is flooding into the cities? Yes, the cities are more and more becoming the dwelling place of those who because of poverty cannot get out into the suburbs. The cities are infested with crime, drugs and filth. New Calvinism should fit right in as they meet up with folks that have been victimized by other people as well.


3.Old Calvinism was cessationistic and fearful of the presence and power of the Holy Spirit. 
New Calvinism is continuationist and joyful in the presence and power of the Holy Spirit.

My Comment: Old Calvinism was fearful, I agree with that. They were fearful of the Holy Spirit because He, the Holy Spirit could lead them into all truth. What would have become of John Calvin should he lose his power-base? It was a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living John Calvin. They were fearful of the very Holy Spirit that would live in them forever if they knew Jesus as Savior. New Calvinism is joyful? Is any form of Calvinism joyful? I think not.

4. Old Calvinism was fearful and suspicious of other Christians and burned bridges. 
    New Calvinism loves all Christians and builds bridges between them.

My Comment: No it was not bridges that were burned. It was God fearing, blood bought, born again Anabaptist Christians that were burned. New Calvinism loves all Christians? Loving Christians is not the problem though Calvinism is not an example of Godly love. Jesus said we are to love our enemies. John Calvin burned his enemies. Even consented to a 14 year old girl being beheaded for hitting her parent. Now that is love... ...right?

New Calvinism will deceive and damn souls just like the Old Calvinism has done and continues to do. New Calvinism will sound awesome to a young generation because it will appeal to them as something new, refreshing and exciting. New, refreshing, exciting....that&#039;s what the road to hell is paved with.

I am fired up and fed up with Calvinism! Calvin and Augustine for too long have defamed our Lord &#038; Savior Jesus Christ. They have denied the God who loves and is love. They have blasphemed God by turning the glorious truth of the Gospel of Jesus Christ and relegated it to man made heresy. Augustine lived over 1,200 years before Calvin and Calvin has been in hell for over 500 years now and look at the destruction they are still causing. Filthy Catholicism. No wonder the Whore Belief System is the Woman that Rides the Beast in the Revelation. 

Even so...come Lord Jesus!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is pathetic at best. Satan has repackage old heresy in new wrappings. </p>
<p>According to Time Magazine &#8216;New Calvinism&#8217; is the third biggest idea that is changing the world right now. Here are some thoughts on new versus old Calvinism. </p>
<p>Four Ways &#8216;New Calvinism&#8217; is So Powerful:</p>
<p>1. Old Calvinism was fundamental or liberal and separated from or syncretized with culture. </p>
<p>New Calvinism is missional and seeks to create and redeem culture.</p>
<p>My comments: When did Jesus tell us to go change/redeem culture? We are to be witnesses for Him. New Calvinism is &#8220;missional?&#8221; Since when has anything in Calvinism been concerned with missions? Why bother wasting your breath, resources and time on those who most likely are &#8220;non-elect?&#8221;</p>
<p>2.Old Calvinism fled from the cities. </p>
<p>New Calvinism is flooding into cities.</p>
<p>My Comment: No it wasn&#8217;t &#8220;Old Calvinism&#8221; that fled from the cities. It was the non-Calvinists that had to flee from the cities or be burned and/or beheaded. New-Calvinism is flooding into the cities? Yes, the cities are more and more becoming the dwelling place of those who because of poverty cannot get out into the suburbs. The cities are infested with crime, drugs and filth. New Calvinism should fit right in as they meet up with folks that have been victimized by other people as well.</p>
<p>3.Old Calvinism was cessationistic and fearful of the presence and power of the Holy Spirit.<br />
New Calvinism is continuationist and joyful in the presence and power of the Holy Spirit.</p>
<p>My Comment: Old Calvinism was fearful, I agree with that. They were fearful of the Holy Spirit because He, the Holy Spirit could lead them into all truth. What would have become of John Calvin should he lose his power-base? It was a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living John Calvin. They were fearful of the very Holy Spirit that would live in them forever if they knew Jesus as Savior. New Calvinism is joyful? Is any form of Calvinism joyful? I think not.</p>
<p>4. Old Calvinism was fearful and suspicious of other Christians and burned bridges.<br />
    New Calvinism loves all Christians and builds bridges between them.</p>
<p>My Comment: No it was not bridges that were burned. It was God fearing, blood bought, born again Anabaptist Christians that were burned. New Calvinism loves all Christians? Loving Christians is not the problem though Calvinism is not an example of Godly love. Jesus said we are to love our enemies. John Calvin burned his enemies. Even consented to a 14 year old girl being beheaded for hitting her parent. Now that is love&#8230; &#8230;right?</p>
<p>New Calvinism will deceive and damn souls just like the Old Calvinism has done and continues to do. New Calvinism will sound awesome to a young generation because it will appeal to them as something new, refreshing and exciting. New, refreshing, exciting&#8230;.that&#8217;s what the road to hell is paved with.</p>
<p>I am fired up and fed up with Calvinism! Calvin and Augustine for too long have defamed our Lord &amp; Savior Jesus Christ. They have denied the God who loves and is love. They have blasphemed God by turning the glorious truth of the Gospel of Jesus Christ and relegated it to man made heresy. Augustine lived over 1,200 years before Calvin and Calvin has been in hell for over 500 years now and look at the destruction they are still causing. Filthy Catholicism. No wonder the Whore Belief System is the Woman that Rides the Beast in the Revelation. </p>
<p>Even so&#8230;come Lord Jesus!</p>
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		By: Abe		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2012 18:33:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Calvinism is from Augustine, who was a catholic. That alone makes calvinism of all persuasions, false.

Who told anyone to &quot;reform&quot; catholicism anyway?  Catholicism is false on virtually all things it teaches.  And calvinism is false and is only a few steps away from catholicism, and &quot;new calvinism&quot; is a step closer back to catholicism.

The better answer is to get completely away from catholicism, and stick with the Bible only.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Calvinism is from Augustine, who was a catholic. That alone makes calvinism of all persuasions, false.</p>
<p>Who told anyone to &#8220;reform&#8221; catholicism anyway?  Catholicism is false on virtually all things it teaches.  And calvinism is false and is only a few steps away from catholicism, and &#8220;new calvinism&#8221; is a step closer back to catholicism.</p>
<p>The better answer is to get completely away from catholicism, and stick with the Bible only.</p>
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		By: Deborah (Discerning the World)		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2012 10:16:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/10/26/new-calvinism-catching-a-gullible-generation/#comment-218480&quot;&gt;Truthfirst&lt;/a&gt;.

Truthfirst

So you are a Calvinist against ecumenism (which is Roman Catholic) yet Calvinism is actually a branch of the RCC.  Me thinks you need to take a long hard look at the doctrine you follow before you start pointing your grubby fingers at others.  You are just as good as someone who follows Ecumenism.   And infant Baptism is Roman Catholic and drinking Alcohol will lead to an addiction sooner rather than later (ESPECIALLY if you are not a genuine biblical Christian - and the Holy Spirit is not in your life guiding you and CHASTISING you and keeping you on the narrow path)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/10/26/new-calvinism-catching-a-gullible-generation/#comment-218480" >Truthfirst</a>.</p>
<p>Truthfirst</p>
<p>So you are a Calvinist against ecumenism (which is Roman Catholic) yet Calvinism is actually a branch of the RCC.  Me thinks you need to take a long hard look at the doctrine you follow before you start pointing your grubby fingers at others.  You are just as good as someone who follows Ecumenism.   And infant Baptism is Roman Catholic and drinking Alcohol will lead to an addiction sooner rather than later (ESPECIALLY if you are not a genuine biblical Christian &#8211; and the Holy Spirit is not in your life guiding you and CHASTISING you and keeping you on the narrow path)</p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Apr 2012 20:03:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What&#039;s wrong with drinking wine? This should NOT be a principled issue issue for mature Christians. Only if a friend would be an (ex) alcoholic would one abstain in his/her absence as to not tempt him/her.And of course there is no justification for drunkenness!Neither should baptism be so divisive that it leads to condemnation. I  fully support infant baptism on biblical grounds but this is not a deal (salvation) breaker. What IS though is ecumenism. Some of the above writers have been rather legalistic in their doctrine (wine, baptism)but seem to subsequently overlook the danger of and abhorrence God shows for being unevenly yoked,which is exactly what ecumenism, and worse: interfaith efforts (e.g. Chrislam) is/are. Let&#039;s not get too worked up about Calvinism. The real danger these days for the Bride of Christ are those vociferously attacking conservative Christian doctrine, part of which overlaps with Calvinism. It&#039;s the Rick Warren&#039;s and Bill Hybels of this world and their Emerging Church we have to be aware of, and their potential to lead millions and millions astray!!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s wrong with drinking wine? This should NOT be a principled issue issue for mature Christians. Only if a friend would be an (ex) alcoholic would one abstain in his/her absence as to not tempt him/her.And of course there is no justification for drunkenness!Neither should baptism be so divisive that it leads to condemnation. I  fully support infant baptism on biblical grounds but this is not a deal (salvation) breaker. What IS though is ecumenism. Some of the above writers have been rather legalistic in their doctrine (wine, baptism)but seem to subsequently overlook the danger of and abhorrence God shows for being unevenly yoked,which is exactly what ecumenism, and worse: interfaith efforts (e.g. Chrislam) is/are. Let&#8217;s not get too worked up about Calvinism. The real danger these days for the Bride of Christ are those vociferously attacking conservative Christian doctrine, part of which overlaps with Calvinism. It&#8217;s the Rick Warren&#8217;s and Bill Hybels of this world and their Emerging Church we have to be aware of, and their potential to lead millions and millions astray!!!</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Deborah (Discerning the World)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2012 05:29:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/10/26/new-calvinism-catching-a-gullible-generation/#comment-217031&quot;&gt;onesimus&lt;/a&gt;.

Oh BL will, don&#039;t worry :)]]></description>
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<p>Oh BL will, don&#8217;t worry 🙂</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2012 04:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Deborah said::
BL, You should read his blog instead of just look at the links, it’s worse.&quot;


Burning Lamp you are MOST welcome to visit my blog to see whether Deborah&#039;s accusations are true or not.

Bless you
Tim]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deborah said::<br />
BL, You should read his blog instead of just look at the links, it’s worse.&#8221;</p>
<p>Burning Lamp you are MOST welcome to visit my blog to see whether Deborah&#8217;s accusations are true or not.</p>
<p>Bless you<br />
Tim</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2012 04:37:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[deleted] I don&#039;t have time to listen to you tell me how bad I am, and then tell me how much you love Andrew Strom.  He is false.  Deal with it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[deleted] I don&#8217;t have time to listen to you tell me how bad I am, and then tell me how much you love Andrew Strom.  He is false.  Deal with it.</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2012 04:26:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/10/26/new-calvinism-catching-a-gullible-generation/#comment-217026&quot;&gt;A&lt;/a&gt;.

A

That&#039;s fantastic, but I have NO IDEA what you are speaking about and what it has to do with this topic - NEW CALVINISM!  
In another article under Kobus van Rensburg, you placed 1 verse, in the hopes to do what I do not know - Did you go and read my reply to it?]]></description>
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<p>A</p>
<p>That&#8217;s fantastic, but I have NO IDEA what you are speaking about and what it has to do with this topic &#8211; NEW CALVINISM!<br />
In another article under Kobus van Rensburg, you placed 1 verse, in the hopes to do what I do not know &#8211; Did you go and read my reply to it?</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Deborah (Discerning the World)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2012 04:19:58 +0000</pubDate>
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onesimus

bla bla bla spoken like a true NAR

BL

You should read his blog instead of just look at the links, it&#039;s worse.]]></description>
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<p>onesimus</p>
<p>bla bla bla spoken like a true NAR</p>
<p>BL</p>
<p>You should read his blog instead of just look at the links, it&#8217;s worse.</p>
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