Comments on: Andrew Strom – The NEW but Quite OLD Apostamation and Refopostasy https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/02/27/andrew-strom-the-new-but-quite-old-apostamation-and-refopostasy/ Discerning Biblical Answers for Christians in Todays World Thu, 29 Jun 2017 13:23:34 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.1 By: Kalev https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/02/27/andrew-strom-the-new-but-quite-old-apostamation-and-refopostasy/#comment-432209 Tue, 31 Mar 2015 20:42:00 +0000 http://www.discerningtheworld.com/?p=7788#comment-432209 I had some online contact with Andrew Strom in the past and would never do that again. If you do not fully agree with him, well, according to the way he replied to some of my questions, “shame on you” attitude and implied I was of the camp of the anti-Christ.

]]> By: Daniel Russell https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/02/27/andrew-strom-the-new-but-quite-old-apostamation-and-refopostasy/#comment-229535 Fri, 07 Dec 2012 02:09:19 +0000 http://www.discerningtheworld.com/?p=7788#comment-229535 The enemy does not obey the commandment of the Lord, God’s people are under His command, not mans’, His movements, revivals are not generated by the commandments of others, so under whose command are they, is it Jesus or is it not Jesus, who is the source. The commandment is Love, God & neighbor, without which it profits nothing. It is the measure. If it’s not that, it’s none of His. Above all else and every Name of God, God IS LOVE! The world would have us use their measure, Satan would have us use His. Who do you believe in? Is it Jesus only, is it the cross and the Power of His Resurrection, the Power of His Salvation by His Grace and Mercy only?, or is it the curse and condemnation of the Law of sin and death. Both are real, One Way to Salvation, Truth & Life, every other way to death for if live by the law, will be judged and die by the law. What Spirit?, when one is reprimanded, hated and despised for Living and preaching Jesus, Love and Grace only by those that profess Christ and live in law. Why the contention, Christ is not divided. They look to the Law of Moses, which is Perfect, given of God Who Is Perfect…the 10 commandments, none of which is able to keep the first and greatest commandment for a single day much less the second which is like unto the first, how shall their righteousness be more than filthy rags, but solely the Righteousness of Christ Who cleansed us from all unrighteousness, all sin, for we are all sinners saved by Grace alone every second from here to eternity and sin can’t dwell with God, a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump, bringing death to the gate. There is nothing else and no mixing. One God, One Spirit, One Salvation though many people, many Spirits, all in One accord, as One flesh, everything physical is paralleled in the Spiritual, which begs the $64,000.00 question, why, for what purpose did God Create man????….we are the Bride of Christ, invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb, ie. His Spiritual wife!!!! and all His creation is made for us, it is about Him and He is about us. We are born of the flesh and born again of the Spirit, immaculately conceived! So then, who shall we chose in this valley of decision? Blessing or cursing, Life or death? What are we married into? whose bride shall we be? Christ laid down His Life for his Bride, and no greater Love hath any man than this. And preordained before the foundations of the world were set in place, all henceforth of His Plan, including unleashing Satan in the Garden that man would be deceived and eat of the Knowledge of the Tree of Good and Evil when Jesus, the Tree of Life was in the midst and available, God pulled a fast one, His hands are clean, lest any say You created this mess, very cunning, this God we serve….how Jesus put the Law in an impossible position, fulfilling he Law of the Knowledge of Good and evil and breaking it’s power over us who are in Christ Jesus, redeeming us, yet not destroying the law to those that would not eat of Him, His fruit, wherein all our sins, the sins of the whole world were placed on Him, that the Law demanded the wages of sin had to be paid which is death, He had to be put to death….but for this One Man Jesus, Who Knew no sin, Who had no sin, of the billions of men that are all sinners….by it’s own admonition, it was illegal that this man be put to death, and the law fell, being weak and Christ being stronger than Law, the grave could not hold Him, the Power of His Resurrection that we are joined into and the veil of the Temple was rent in twain!! For God So Loved the world He Gave His Only begotten Son..no greater Power than this in Heaven and earth, and not willing that any should perish…if the bar got any lower, it would be on the ground…our God, He Is An Awesome God!.. Surely He hath taught us to Love One another…fundamentally, the foundation, the root, chase and core that stands for eternity, ye shall KNOW THEM by their LOVE, the Power of the cross of Christ, of His Precious Blood, without which NO MAN can enter Heaven…it reaches to the ends of the earth, even to them that never heard of a Saviour, never heard of a cross, of born again, though not yet transformed, it reaches, and many be there that did in Love unto the least of these, they did it unto Christ they never heard of, for the Gospel is not without Purpose, a means to and end, a Way where there is no way, direction, destination & the Product is Love, without which are nothing, though sell all you have and give to the poor, though have Faith to move mountains and speak in tongues of men and angels, for there is a flip side, many there be in that day that say have we not done all these wonderful things in Thy Name, and He Will Say, depart from ME, ye workers of iniquity, I Knew you Not! Serious stuff! We better get it Right! Few sheep and many goats, wheat and tares together…His sheep Know His Voice, the Voice of Love, beyond all Powers and Satan believes and trembles! And His Chosen people, Israel, whose eyes are blinded for our sakes, that we be graphed in, realizing the Promise of Abraham first in the physical dimension of time that God is no beholden to, Being Spirit, all is history and the record already written, but one thing only is needful, that your name is Written in the Lambs Book of Life, so we have measures to discern, some obvious, others not so obvious in Evangelistic circles, for there is a bottom line Satan cannot cross, the cross of Christ, what and all that it is, who do you Love? , no matter all the lies and deceptions of the enemy, He can’t walk that line, he seeks to devour such, to kill, steal and destroy. He is a mimic and not yet stripped of power. If Satan has power to heal the physical body, to enact the Acts of the Apostles which are of God, to do many supernatural manifestations, why should we be skeptical? Jesus Said, whether it be easier to Say take up thy bed and walk or thy sins be forgiven thee…..take up thy bed and walk! They said we know this man is a sinner…whether He be a sinner or no, I know not, but this I know, whereas I was blind, now I can see! John the Baptist wanted confirmation, is He the One and Jesus sent Word, tell him of the miracles, the deaf hear, the blind see. It’s all the finished work of the cross, nothing was just God Spoke and presto…it was all 100% backed up, including all His works of Creation, sins forgiven, healing, etc. all paid for and Satan is a thief. Satan does not cast out Satan and his infiltration into the church is not new, but all the more rampant as a sign of the times, his time is short, the rapture is right at the door and the Second Coming of Christ just around the corner. Heaven and earth, all things will pass away, but the Word of God will stand forever and it is not a book, it is Jesus Christ who dwelt among us and now in us, we are the Body of Christ, we shall never die! Amen.

]]> By: Martin Horan https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/02/27/andrew-strom-the-new-but-quite-old-apostamation-and-refopostasy/#comment-229372 Wed, 05 Dec 2012 14:04:11 +0000 http://www.discerningtheworld.com/?p=7788#comment-229372 Thanks Deborah,you’ve done it yet again!
I think I’m fairly objective but that guy had me taken in it the start–till your comments were inserted. At first, I went past the first two or three. Then I went back and read a couple to realize what this guy was doing.
I just wish that the people I know who are into so many iffy things would get on this site.
Even so, people often want to be deceived and even when the truth is pointed out to them plainly and simply, they prefer the falsehood. (Sigh.)

]]> By: Deborah (Discerning the World) https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/02/27/andrew-strom-the-new-but-quite-old-apostamation-and-refopostasy/#comment-229316 Wed, 05 Dec 2012 05:44:19 +0000 http://www.discerningtheworld.com/?p=7788#comment-229316 In reply to Daniel Russell.

Daniel

>> and some nod and smile… for the wrong reasons

The guy is a false teacher through and through, and still is.

]]> By: Daniel Russell https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/02/27/andrew-strom-the-new-but-quite-old-apostamation-and-refopostasy/#comment-229296 Wed, 05 Dec 2012 00:56:56 +0000 http://www.discerningtheworld.com/?p=7788#comment-229296 Concerning Peter Wagner’s decree regarding Todd Bentley, it proved conspicuously prophetic, elevating Todd to the criteria condusive of true Apostleship in but a few weeks…. relegated to last place, as it were appointed to death… hungery,thirsty, shamed, naked, buffeted, having no certain dwellingplace, made as the filth of the world…and some nod and smile… for the wrong reasons….God Knows we are made of dust and Knows what He is doing! Amen

]]> By: Let's be fair https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/02/27/andrew-strom-the-new-but-quite-old-apostamation-and-refopostasy/#comment-215982 Fri, 25 Nov 2011 05:36:17 +0000 http://www.discerningtheworld.com/?p=7788#comment-215982 The Apostates from Second 8th Week ministries are still around 🙁

I encountered one several years ago on Myspace. Her name was JoAnne Cremer. It seems that she has left that “ministry” and started her own since then.

It is a dangerous cult. One of my online friends got sucked into that teaching. 🙁

I’m not even calling them false teachers. They are beyond that — I’m calling them Apostates. They use the books of Enoch (I think there are three of them) to teach that there is a third covenant, they teach people to rely on angels, and then they teach a gnostic/mystic/Eastern view of god. They teach that after people die, they kind of get absorbed into a pantheistic god. It’s kind of New Ageish as well.

Very, very false.

They prey on new Christians, like my online friend was.

]]> By: Let's be fair https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/02/27/andrew-strom-the-new-but-quite-old-apostamation-and-refopostasy/#comment-215974 Thu, 24 Nov 2011 04:15:58 +0000 http://www.discerningtheworld.com/?p=7788#comment-215974 While I agree with exposing false teachers, I also believe it is important that we are only dealing with things that are said in context, and that we are not reading something into someone’s teaching that isn’t explicitly stated.

This does not mean that I agree with everything Andrew Strom teaches.

Rather, let us deal with the points being said here. I don’t think that Andrew Strom is suggesting that there are real modern day apostles of any kind. Instead, he seems to be writing against the very idea of modern day apostles. He’s not claiming to be one himself.

Read it again.

The New Testament apostles that he is referring to ARE the biblical apostles that are found in the New Testament. This can be seen from the quote he gave of Paul saying he and the apostles he knew were the last.

Andrew is saying that IF you claim to be an apostle, you’d better be real. However, since there are no modern day apostles, you’re not really going to be real.

I am all for apologetics, but if we are to do good apologetics, we must make sure that we are representing what someone is actually teaching.

This is the essence of what Andrew Strom is saying — there are no modern day apostles, thus anyone who claims to be one is false.

As for reformation, what he argues for in other places is for holiness and repentance and salvation.

This is not my endorsement of Andrew Strom. However, we need to be fair when critiquing someone’s words.

]]> By: Apostle Eric vonAnderseck https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/02/27/andrew-strom-the-new-but-quite-old-apostamation-and-refopostasy/#comment-107613 Tue, 25 Jan 2011 16:03:16 +0000 http://www.discerningtheworld.com/?p=7788#comment-107613 Eric von Anderseck (leader of cult) – Comment removed due to extreme nature of false teaching – See this article for more info: http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/02/28/mystery-christ-blowing-his-trumpet-at-mossel-bay-has-been-identified/

]]> By: Deborah (Discerning the World) https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/02/27/andrew-strom-the-new-but-quite-old-apostamation-and-refopostasy/#comment-16150 Mon, 26 Jul 2010 11:07:37 +0000 http://www.discerningtheworld.com/?p=7788#comment-16150 In reply to Louise Rector.

Louise

Thank God you used your brain that God gave you to listen to the Holy Spirit. It’s incredibly sad that the percentage of people who get out of this rubbish is like 1% maybe less. I’ve been told I have the gift of discernment – I once agreed. Now I disagree, WHY? Because ALL born again Christians have the gift of discernment because of the Holy Spirit that abides in us. To say one person has discernment and another born again Christian not is to take away from the Holy Spirit.

Thought I would just add that 🙂

]]> By: Elmarie A https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/02/27/andrew-strom-the-new-but-quite-old-apostamation-and-refopostasy/#comment-16058 Sun, 25 Jul 2010 20:11:51 +0000 http://www.discerningtheworld.com/?p=7788#comment-16058 Louise Rector

Thank you for sharing with us. Stand strong and hold fast to what is good. The truth will prevail. John 3:21 May God guide and strengthen you for contending for the faith. We can only watch and pray and stay awake with our little lamps of oil filled all the time. 1 Corinthians 16:13 and Matthew 25:4 and also 1 Timothy 1:19

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