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	Comments on: Ray McCauley &#038; Joel &#8216;Stop talking to God&#8217; Osteen &#8211; Coca Cola Dome (23-24 Oct 2009)	</title>
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		By: Deborah (Discerning the World)		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/10/20/ray-mccauley-and-joel-osteen-at-the-coca-cola-dome-oct-09/#comment-457673&quot;&gt;Gideon&lt;/a&gt;.

Amen Gideon!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/10/20/ray-mccauley-and-joel-osteen-at-the-coca-cola-dome-oct-09/#comment-457673" >Gideon</a>.</p>
<p>Amen Gideon!</p>
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		By: Gideon		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jul 2017 18:03:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It is because of false doctrines that i left all churches and just stick to the word of God. No where does the Bible say we should follow the doctrine of any church, we are to know the word of God by heart and rely on Him to guide us. He knows what we need before we even know it ourselves. Wake up people and get out while you still can.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is because of false doctrines that i left all churches and just stick to the word of God. No where does the Bible say we should follow the doctrine of any church, we are to know the word of God by heart and rely on Him to guide us. He knows what we need before we even know it ourselves. Wake up people and get out while you still can.</p>
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		By: RLK		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Discerning The World wrote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Roy

&#062;&#062; There is something seriously wrong with the author of this blog.

You are right, there is seriously something wrong with me and all other genuine born again Christains as per the NEW Christians out there who love wickendess and blatant false teaching. They love to mock the Bible and Jesus Christ the Son of God. Like Joel and Ray do…and you to do, considering you agree with their horrific, disgusting teaching!

&#062;&#062; Please redirect your energy to something positive

Ah there we go, positive confession. Sorry I don’t have the power to direct things like you do, but seeing that you can I ask you to direct your energy elsewhere…like maybe towards cooling the earth…since this seems to be way more important that LOVING the Word of God and not following after evil teachers and their teachings.

&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I grew up in a church that was invaded and railroaded by these fakes and charlatans. I met Basil Howard Browne, Tim Storey and countless others.  Look up Vince Schott and All Nations Christian Church (now defunct)  I know these guys are in it for just the money.  I&#039;m not bitter nor jealous because I know how sad and pathetic those people&#039;s lives really are. They live for their own personal accumulation of wealth and glory and get off on filling each others mega churches and having people follow them.  The only thing that really makes me sad and angry ARE all the people that follow like true sheep to the slaughter. They call others Pharisees for trying to point out simple truth -using scripture no less! I bet if I met Jesus right now he wouldnt be speaking in the idiotic langauge of the Charismatic,Prosperity and Emergent church new age theology,  He&#039;d be telling us all to give up everything we have (pastors included) and follow him and love one another.  How have we so easily forgotten all of this!?  For you pastors out there who subscribe to this, I am calling you what you are- false prophets and wolves in sheeps clothing. God did not ask us to rob ourselves of common sense to follow him...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Discerning The World wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>Roy</p>
<p>&gt;&gt; There is something seriously wrong with the author of this blog.</p>
<p>You are right, there is seriously something wrong with me and all other genuine born again Christains as per the NEW Christians out there who love wickendess and blatant false teaching. They love to mock the Bible and Jesus Christ the Son of God. Like Joel and Ray do…and you to do, considering you agree with their horrific, disgusting teaching!</p>
<p>&gt;&gt; Please redirect your energy to something positive</p>
<p>Ah there we go, positive confession. Sorry I don’t have the power to direct things like you do, but seeing that you can I ask you to direct your energy elsewhere…like maybe towards cooling the earth…since this seems to be way more important that LOVING the Word of God and not following after evil teachers and their teachings.</p>
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<p>I grew up in a church that was invaded and railroaded by these fakes and charlatans. I met Basil Howard Browne, Tim Storey and countless others.  Look up Vince Schott and All Nations Christian Church (now defunct)  I know these guys are in it for just the money.  I&#8217;m not bitter nor jealous because I know how sad and pathetic those people&#8217;s lives really are. They live for their own personal accumulation of wealth and glory and get off on filling each others mega churches and having people follow them.  The only thing that really makes me sad and angry ARE all the people that follow like true sheep to the slaughter. They call others Pharisees for trying to point out simple truth -using scripture no less! I bet if I met Jesus right now he wouldnt be speaking in the idiotic langauge of the Charismatic,Prosperity and Emergent church new age theology,  He&#8217;d be telling us all to give up everything we have (pastors included) and follow him and love one another.  How have we so easily forgotten all of this!?  For you pastors out there who subscribe to this, I am calling you what you are- false prophets and wolves in sheeps clothing. God did not ask us to rob ourselves of common sense to follow him&#8230;</p>
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		By: poppy		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[It is clear that people who oppose this bloq are core satanists.stop misleading the world and receive Jesus Christ of Nazareth as your Lord and saviour.Repent or perish.it is clear that freemasson religion is ruling the whole world.Stop deceiving the world.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is clear that people who oppose this bloq are core satanists.stop misleading the world and receive Jesus Christ of Nazareth as your Lord and saviour.Repent or perish.it is clear that freemasson religion is ruling the whole world.Stop deceiving the world.</p>
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		By: Tom Lessing (Discerning the World)		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2015 06:40:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Timothy wrote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;You are not different from the past pharasees. i suggest you repent and ask God to forgive you. you might not see it but you are fighting againts God Himself by critisizing His servants. if you think there is something wrong with their teachings, why don’t you pray for them and then approach them personally than to post these foolish blogs? Repent or else you will be sorry. Men and women of God are known by their fruits.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I just love the way you spell &quot;pharasees.&quot; Do you want to know what the Pharisees in the time of Jesus believed? You do? OK, let me tell you. They believed that health, wealth and prosperity was a sign of God&#039;s special blessing upon them and that it proved they were saved. Adversely, they also believed that when you were poor and needy you were not saved because you were not as blessed as they were. Even the disciples of the Lord Jesus had been influenced by their abominable teaching. How do we know? The following instance in Jesus&#039; life proves this.

&lt;blockquote&gt;And behold, a man came up to him, saying, &quot;Teacher, what good deed must I do to have eternal life?&quot; And he said to him, &quot;Why do you ask me about what is good? There is only one who is good. If you would enter life, keep the commandments.&quot; He said to him, &quot;Which ones?&quot; And Jesus said, &quot;You shall not murder, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, Honor your father and mother, and, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.&quot; The young man said to him, &quot;All these I have kept. What do I still lack?&quot; Jesus said to him, &quot;If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.&quot; When the young man heard this he went away sorrowful, for he had great possessions. And Jesus said to his disciples, &quot;Truly, I say to you, only with difficulty will a rich person enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God.&quot; &lt;strong&gt;When the disciples heard this&lt;/strong&gt;, they were greatly astonished, saying, &lt;strong&gt;&quot;Who then can be saved?&quot;&lt;/strong&gt; But Jesus looked at them and said, &quot;With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.&quot; 
(Mat 19:16-26).&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Note the phrase &quot;When the disciples heard this . . .&quot; Heard what? &lt;strong&gt;&quot;it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God.&quot;&lt;/strong&gt; &quot;But Lord, the disciples must have thought, &quot;we have been taught that affluence was a sign of God&#039;s blessings because He saved them, and now you tell us they will hardly enter the kingdom of heaven. If this is so, who then can be saved? Surely, poor people cannot be saved because they are destitute for lack of health, wealth and prosperity.&quot;

So, as you can see, Mr. Timothy, the real &quot;pharasees&quot; are not those who expose the real Pharisees. The real modern-day Pharisees are those who proclaim the heretical teaching that Christians are not supposed to be poor because poverty is allegedly a sign of spiritual poverty.

So, you must decide - before it&#039;s TOO LATE - whether you want to be one of the modern-day &quot;pharasees&quot; or not, because modern-day &quot;pharaseeism&quot; (like the Pharisees in the days of Jesus) are effectively closing the gates of heaven for you and millions of other &quot;pharasees.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Timothy wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>You are not different from the past pharasees. i suggest you repent and ask God to forgive you. you might not see it but you are fighting againts God Himself by critisizing His servants. if you think there is something wrong with their teachings, why don’t you pray for them and then approach them personally than to post these foolish blogs? Repent or else you will be sorry. Men and women of God are known by their fruits.
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<p>I just love the way you spell &#8220;pharasees.&#8221; Do you want to know what the Pharisees in the time of Jesus believed? You do? OK, let me tell you. They believed that health, wealth and prosperity was a sign of God&#8217;s special blessing upon them and that it proved they were saved. Adversely, they also believed that when you were poor and needy you were not saved because you were not as blessed as they were. Even the disciples of the Lord Jesus had been influenced by their abominable teaching. How do we know? The following instance in Jesus&#8217; life proves this.</p>
<blockquote><p>And behold, a man came up to him, saying, &#8220;Teacher, what good deed must I do to have eternal life?&#8221; And he said to him, &#8220;Why do you ask me about what is good? There is only one who is good. If you would enter life, keep the commandments.&#8221; He said to him, &#8220;Which ones?&#8221; And Jesus said, &#8220;You shall not murder, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, Honor your father and mother, and, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.&#8221; The young man said to him, &#8220;All these I have kept. What do I still lack?&#8221; Jesus said to him, &#8220;If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.&#8221; When the young man heard this he went away sorrowful, for he had great possessions. And Jesus said to his disciples, &#8220;Truly, I say to you, only with difficulty will a rich person enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God.&#8221; <strong>When the disciples heard this</strong>, they were greatly astonished, saying, <strong>&#8220;Who then can be saved?&#8221;</strong> But Jesus looked at them and said, &#8220;With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.&#8221;<br />
(Mat 19:16-26).</p></blockquote>
<p>Note the phrase &#8220;When the disciples heard this . . .&#8221; Heard what? <strong>&#8220;it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God.&#8221;</strong> &#8220;But Lord, the disciples must have thought, &#8220;we have been taught that affluence was a sign of God&#8217;s blessings because He saved them, and now you tell us they will hardly enter the kingdom of heaven. If this is so, who then can be saved? Surely, poor people cannot be saved because they are destitute for lack of health, wealth and prosperity.&#8221;</p>
<p>So, as you can see, Mr. Timothy, the real &#8220;pharasees&#8221; are not those who expose the real Pharisees. The real modern-day Pharisees are those who proclaim the heretical teaching that Christians are not supposed to be poor because poverty is allegedly a sign of spiritual poverty.</p>
<p>So, you must decide &#8211; before it&#8217;s TOO LATE &#8211; whether you want to be one of the modern-day &#8220;pharasees&#8221; or not, because modern-day &#8220;pharaseeism&#8221; (like the Pharisees in the days of Jesus) are effectively closing the gates of heaven for you and millions of other &#8220;pharasees.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Mark		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2014 05:11:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Friend of Jesus
It was so encouraging to see that someone still recalls the warning we put out in 1989-90 on Ray McCauley (your blog 28 January, 2011 at 9:15 am) - An Open Letter, etc. Praise God for His Goodness in using it! I am still astonished at some of the situations I encountered in J&#039;bg. While speaking of the difference between the Blood Atonement and the Jesus Died Spiritually with one young lady in a sandwich bar near Joebert Park, she suddenly looked up and said &#039;The Holy Spirit is telling me not to listen to you any more.&#039; Poor old Don Leonard, a stalwart at Rhema, came by the flat and gently took my hand and said &#039;Markie, Markie, you are under a religious spirit Markie!&#039; Later, after McCauley&#039;s sham repentance Don phoned me and said &#039;He repented of everything you wanted him to.&#039; I assured him he hadn&#039;t, then he said, &#039;He had to go to Hell.&#039; to which I replied, &#039;Don, the veil of the Temple was torn when Jesus was on the Cross!&#039;, to which he replied in anguished voice., &#039;No, Markie, no!!&#039;
May God strengthen His people and Bless them!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Friend of Jesus<br />
It was so encouraging to see that someone still recalls the warning we put out in 1989-90 on Ray McCauley (your blog 28 January, 2011 at 9:15 am) &#8211; An Open Letter, etc. Praise God for His Goodness in using it! I am still astonished at some of the situations I encountered in J&#8217;bg. While speaking of the difference between the Blood Atonement and the Jesus Died Spiritually with one young lady in a sandwich bar near Joebert Park, she suddenly looked up and said &#8216;The Holy Spirit is telling me not to listen to you any more.&#8217; Poor old Don Leonard, a stalwart at Rhema, came by the flat and gently took my hand and said &#8216;Markie, Markie, you are under a religious spirit Markie!&#8217; Later, after McCauley&#8217;s sham repentance Don phoned me and said &#8216;He repented of everything you wanted him to.&#8217; I assured him he hadn&#8217;t, then he said, &#8216;He had to go to Hell.&#8217; to which I replied, &#8216;Don, the veil of the Temple was torn when Jesus was on the Cross!&#8217;, to which he replied in anguished voice., &#8216;No, Markie, no!!&#8217;<br />
May God strengthen His people and Bless them!!</p>
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		By: Deborah (Discerning the World)		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Deborah (Discerning the World)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 06:07:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/10/20/ray-mccauley-and-joel-osteen-at-the-coca-cola-dome-oct-09/#comment-232793&quot;&gt;Marion&lt;/a&gt;.

Heya Marion

I dunno what I was thinking when I wrote &#039;they are anti-Isreal&#039;  I meant to say, they are Calvinists.  Now do no ask me how I managed to mess that up.  When I thought about it this morning I thought, &quot;hang on, that&#039;s not right...&quot; So I corrected it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/10/20/ray-mccauley-and-joel-osteen-at-the-coca-cola-dome-oct-09/#comment-232793" >Marion</a>.</p>
<p>Heya Marion</p>
<p>I dunno what I was thinking when I wrote &#8216;they are anti-Isreal&#8217;  I meant to say, they are Calvinists.  Now do no ask me how I managed to mess that up.  When I thought about it this morning I thought, &#8220;hang on, that&#8217;s not right&#8230;&#8221; So I corrected it.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hey Debs...thanx for that warning.  Didn&#039;t know anything about the site...didn&#039;t poke around...just read this one thing only, and found the contents of IT reliable...hence my disclaimer.  Your additional checking is much appreciated!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Debs&#8230;thanx for that warning.  Didn&#8217;t know anything about the site&#8230;didn&#8217;t poke around&#8230;just read this one thing only, and found the contents of IT reliable&#8230;hence my disclaimer.  Your additional checking is much appreciated!</p>
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		By: Carolyn		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Marion...thanks for the comment. Good catch...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marion&#8230;thanks for the comment. Good catch&#8230;</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2013 20:22:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Carolyn...I appreciate your observations and comments.  Clearly you are a woman interested in truth and committed to discernment and revelation of error.  That said, I notice in comment #54 above, in the use of the NIV...verse 25 reads...&quot;Sir open the door to us.&quot;  the KVJ reads...&quot;saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us;...&quot;

I believe we would all agree here, that Jesus, the master of the house, is not merely &quot;sir&quot; but of the truth...is &quot;Lord.&quot;

Please check this link.  I&#039;m sure you will find the info helpful.  (Use of this link is not an endorsement of the site, any person, group, &quot;ministry&quot; or philosophy...information only...(not coming from the KJV only camp either)

http://www.biblebelievers.com/williams_d1.html  &lt;strong&gt;[DTW note:  I do not agree with this website at all, and would caution everyone who goes there to be uses discernment &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;strong&gt;at all times&lt;/strong&gt;. They are Calvinist.]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carolyn&#8230;I appreciate your observations and comments.  Clearly you are a woman interested in truth and committed to discernment and revelation of error.  That said, I notice in comment #54 above, in the use of the NIV&#8230;verse 25 reads&#8230;&#8221;Sir open the door to us.&#8221;  the KVJ reads&#8230;&#8221;saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us;&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>I believe we would all agree here, that Jesus, the master of the house, is not merely &#8220;sir&#8221; but of the truth&#8230;is &#8220;Lord.&#8221;</p>
<p>Please check this link.  I&#8217;m sure you will find the info helpful.  (Use of this link is not an endorsement of the site, any person, group, &#8220;ministry&#8221; or philosophy&#8230;information only&#8230;(not coming from the KJV only camp either)</p>
<p><a target="_blank" href="http://www.biblebelievers.com/williams_d1.html"  rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.biblebelievers.com/williams_d1.html</a>  <strong>[DTW note:  I do not agree with this website at all, and would caution everyone who goes there to be uses discernment </strong><strong>at all times</strong>. They are Calvinist.]</p>
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