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		By: Danielle Mpofu		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[I cry at the blindness of multitudes, at all these things you are saying which are all true. I cry for my country Zimbabwe  for people can not discern that it is what it is today by design . The Jesuits is in control ,who said in a speech in 2005 t(Iam a Jesuits and I  stand by its principles) Mugabe the Jesuits said that. Read the history of Jesuits.the information is right there on our fingertips and people don&#039;t seem to care finding out. I cried a lot when they said all that about Mandela and all.
What consoles me is Isaiah chapter 6, God was seated on the throne, high and lifted up,and His train filled the temple. He was sitting.He was not pacing up and down or wringing his hands , no, He was saddled on the sovereign  throne.He is in charge .HALLELLUAH. He is in charge .]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I cry at the blindness of multitudes, at all these things you are saying which are all true. I cry for my country Zimbabwe  for people can not discern that it is what it is today by design . The Jesuits is in control ,who said in a speech in 2005 t(Iam a Jesuits and I  stand by its principles) Mugabe the Jesuits said that. Read the history of Jesuits.the information is right there on our fingertips and people don&#8217;t seem to care finding out. I cried a lot when they said all that about Mandela and all.<br />
What consoles me is Isaiah chapter 6, God was seated on the throne, high and lifted up,and His train filled the temple. He was sitting.He was not pacing up and down or wringing his hands , no, He was saddled on the sovereign  throne.He is in charge .HALLELLUAH. He is in charge .</p>
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		By: Deborah (Discerning the World)		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Deborah (Discerning the World)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2012 05:05:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/06/11/nelson-mandela-and-maitreya-the-christ-meet/#comment-219522&quot;&gt;Martin Horan&lt;/a&gt;.

Martin

As you say, better late than never.... :P

Here are some more articles on Mandela and his elevated &#039;godliness&#039;

Nelson Mandela as Jesus Christ:  http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/08/20/nelson-mandela-as-jesus-christ/

ANC likens Madiba to Moses:  http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/07/16/anc-likens-madiba-to-moses/



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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/06/11/nelson-mandela-and-maitreya-the-christ-meet/#comment-219522" >Martin Horan</a>.</p>
<p>Martin</p>
<p>As you say, better late than never&#8230;. 😛</p>
<p>Here are some more articles on Mandela and his elevated &#8216;godliness&#8217;</p>
<p>Nelson Mandela as Jesus Christ:  <a href="http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/08/20/nelson-mandela-as-jesus-christ/"  rel="ugc">http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/08/20/nelson-mandela-as-jesus-christ/</a></p>
<p>ANC likens Madiba to Moses:  <a href="http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/07/16/anc-likens-madiba-to-moses/"  rel="ugc">http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/07/16/anc-likens-madiba-to-moses/</a></p>
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		By: Martin Horan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2012 00:59:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have just got onto this post and I thank Deborah sincerely for reminding me how to get onto it.
The now deceased Creme was crackers but we must remember that he was demon influenced and not just a harmless nut. He was a very dangerous one when it comes to spiritual deception.
So are Mandela and Tutu. (Dr Cathy Burns deals with them in her insightful, objective and thoroughly researched book &quot;Billy Graham and his friends.&quot; For those who make gods of men--religious people have a proclivity for that kind of idolatry--it&#039;s not nice reading. But it is a must for Christians in these times of widespread deceit.)
People believe Mandela and Tutu brought peace to Africa. But where did the peace come from? The devil gives peace whenever it suits him [Dan 10:19] and, as that Scripture warns, his peace will be the destruction of many. 
Jesus Himself tells us that He did not come to bring peace but a sword. That&#039;s because His word divides truth from lies and righteousness from evil. You&#039;re on one side or the other. There is no compromise with the Word of God. It preaches the opposite of ecumenism.
It would do us well to remember that prior to Germany invading Poland, the British Prime Minister, Chamberlain, believed Hitler wanted peace. Lloyd George openly called Hitler a man of peace--and this was after he&#039;d already written and published &quot;Mein Kampf&quot;! Ghandi--another who the world&#039;s leaders called a man of peace--supported Hitler and ignored the Holocaust. 
And Hitler actually did bring peace to Germany first. It was not of God though. It allowed Hitler to build his Nazi party and his powerful war machine.
Is this Maitreya, then, THE anti-Christ? If not, he is certainly AN anti-Christ; and yet Mandela claims he appeared to  him in his cell and told him that there was to be no bloodshed. And we are supposed to believe that this peace of this anti-Christ is from God!
I have heard Mandela and Tutu called good men. Yet both of these men openly support the &quot;Palestinian&quot; so-called struggle--in spite of the fact that God tells us in His Word &quot;Jacob I have loved and Esau I have hated.&quot; (God wasn&#039;t talking of the individuals but their descendants--because those individuals never fought with each other in wars!)
Neither Mandela nor Tutu have condemned the pathological Moslem terrorism in the world or of the using of children as suicide bombers by Arafat. They never demanded that he stop those things. Yet Tutu has condemned Israel several times. Why? Quite simply because she has the temerity to defend herself against the murderous nations hell bent on her annihilation who surround her.
Luther claimed, &quot;The world wants to be deceived.&quot; On that point, I agree with him. The Bible warns of the universal deception that would be rife in these End Times.
I wish I&#039;d come over the above article by Deborah when it first came out. But it&#039;s better late than never.
I hope God continues to bless this site.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have just got onto this post and I thank Deborah sincerely for reminding me how to get onto it.<br />
The now deceased Creme was crackers but we must remember that he was demon influenced and not just a harmless nut. He was a very dangerous one when it comes to spiritual deception.<br />
So are Mandela and Tutu. (Dr Cathy Burns deals with them in her insightful, objective and thoroughly researched book &#8220;Billy Graham and his friends.&#8221; For those who make gods of men&#8211;religious people have a proclivity for that kind of idolatry&#8211;it&#8217;s not nice reading. But it is a must for Christians in these times of widespread deceit.)<br />
People believe Mandela and Tutu brought peace to Africa. But where did the peace come from? The devil gives peace whenever it suits him [Dan 10:19] and, as that Scripture warns, his peace will be the destruction of many.<br />
Jesus Himself tells us that He did not come to bring peace but a sword. That&#8217;s because His word divides truth from lies and righteousness from evil. You&#8217;re on one side or the other. There is no compromise with the Word of God. It preaches the opposite of ecumenism.<br />
It would do us well to remember that prior to Germany invading Poland, the British Prime Minister, Chamberlain, believed Hitler wanted peace. Lloyd George openly called Hitler a man of peace&#8211;and this was after he&#8217;d already written and published &#8220;Mein Kampf&#8221;! Ghandi&#8211;another who the world&#8217;s leaders called a man of peace&#8211;supported Hitler and ignored the Holocaust.<br />
And Hitler actually did bring peace to Germany first. It was not of God though. It allowed Hitler to build his Nazi party and his powerful war machine.<br />
Is this Maitreya, then, THE anti-Christ? If not, he is certainly AN anti-Christ; and yet Mandela claims he appeared to  him in his cell and told him that there was to be no bloodshed. And we are supposed to believe that this peace of this anti-Christ is from God!<br />
I have heard Mandela and Tutu called good men. Yet both of these men openly support the &#8220;Palestinian&#8221; so-called struggle&#8211;in spite of the fact that God tells us in His Word &#8220;Jacob I have loved and Esau I have hated.&#8221; (God wasn&#8217;t talking of the individuals but their descendants&#8211;because those individuals never fought with each other in wars!)<br />
Neither Mandela nor Tutu have condemned the pathological Moslem terrorism in the world or of the using of children as suicide bombers by Arafat. They never demanded that he stop those things. Yet Tutu has condemned Israel several times. Why? Quite simply because she has the temerity to defend herself against the murderous nations hell bent on her annihilation who surround her.<br />
Luther claimed, &#8220;The world wants to be deceived.&#8221; On that point, I agree with him. The Bible warns of the universal deception that would be rife in these End Times.<br />
I wish I&#8217;d come over the above article by Deborah when it first came out. But it&#8217;s better late than never.<br />
I hope God continues to bless this site.</p>
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		By: Deborah (Discerning the World)		</title>
		<link>https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/06/11/nelson-mandela-and-maitreya-the-christ-meet/#comment-3148</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 15:46:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/06/11/nelson-mandela-and-maitreya-the-christ-meet/#comment-3141&quot;&gt;Pete Mc&lt;/a&gt;.

Pete Mc

Yip Creme is a raving nutcase, then again you have to be when you are completely and utterly deceived.  And of course Maitreya would not use his name aka Satan.   He has many many many names, I think &#039;Raj&#039; could be one of them lol.  Or Buddha, Krishna, Isa Mahadi, the Roman Catholic Eucharist Christ who is called Jesus (but is not Jesus Christ the Son of God), Lucifer, Apollo, Horus, Ra, Mary Queen of Heaven, Isis, Sananda, gosh it&#039;s endless really.

Occult lies are occult lies, we do not believe them.  However Satan does exist that we do know because we follow the Word of God strictly and obey God&#039;s commandments - and as born again Christians we know what is coming and we also know how the end is going to turn out.  Well we know &#039;Maitreya&#039; was defeated when God kicked him out of Heaven and then just to make sure Satan got the message God sent His Only Son as a sacrifice for mankind that those who believe in Him will be saved.  But still he tries, and tries, he knows his time is almost up.  Has he appeared on TV?  I have no doubt - you just have to watch the news.

In fact the whole world follows Maitreya if they are not born again.

Even our clothing has dawned in a new age and emerged. I saw a Puma advert on the side of the road today and if it was not for ABS, EBD, traction control, and all those fancy gadgets in my car; I might have hit the car in front of me as I turned my head back just to make sure I read the sign correctly.  On the way back I checked the sign again and yip it was still the same.  Unfortunately.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/06/11/nelson-mandela-and-maitreya-the-christ-meet/#comment-3141" >Pete Mc</a>.</p>
<p>Pete Mc</p>
<p>Yip Creme is a raving nutcase, then again you have to be when you are completely and utterly deceived.  And of course Maitreya would not use his name aka Satan.   He has many many many names, I think &#8216;Raj&#8217; could be one of them lol.  Or Buddha, Krishna, Isa Mahadi, the Roman Catholic Eucharist Christ who is called Jesus (but is not Jesus Christ the Son of God), Lucifer, Apollo, Horus, Ra, Mary Queen of Heaven, Isis, Sananda, gosh it&#8217;s endless really.</p>
<p>Occult lies are occult lies, we do not believe them.  However Satan does exist that we do know because we follow the Word of God strictly and obey God&#8217;s commandments &#8211; and as born again Christians we know what is coming and we also know how the end is going to turn out.  Well we know &#8216;Maitreya&#8217; was defeated when God kicked him out of Heaven and then just to make sure Satan got the message God sent His Only Son as a sacrifice for mankind that those who believe in Him will be saved.  But still he tries, and tries, he knows his time is almost up.  Has he appeared on TV?  I have no doubt &#8211; you just have to watch the news.</p>
<p>In fact the whole world follows Maitreya if they are not born again.</p>
<p>Even our clothing has dawned in a new age and emerged. I saw a Puma advert on the side of the road today and if it was not for ABS, EBD, traction control, and all those fancy gadgets in my car; I might have hit the car in front of me as I turned my head back just to make sure I read the sign correctly.  On the way back I checked the sign again and yip it was still the same.  Unfortunately.</p>
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		By: Pete Mc		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 13:52:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There has been speculation after Creme&#039;s announcement that the Meitreya has appeared in a T.V interview recently (Although not in his own name)that it is Raj Patel. Patel referenced about this link on his blog post &quot;Call me Brian&quot;.

I think Creme is mostly regarded as a raving nutcase, always going on about secret signs and special stars, all of which are supposed to signal the imminent arrival of the World Teacher.

I was saddened when I found out that Mandela is a follower of Meitreya. His profile is on the &quot;New Group of World Servers&quot; website along with Michael Moore, Bono and others.

God bless
Pete]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There has been speculation after Creme&#8217;s announcement that the Meitreya has appeared in a T.V interview recently (Although not in his own name)that it is Raj Patel. Patel referenced about this link on his blog post &#8220;Call me Brian&#8221;.</p>
<p>I think Creme is mostly regarded as a raving nutcase, always going on about secret signs and special stars, all of which are supposed to signal the imminent arrival of the World Teacher.</p>
<p>I was saddened when I found out that Mandela is a follower of Meitreya. His profile is on the &#8220;New Group of World Servers&#8221; website along with Michael Moore, Bono and others.</p>
<p>God bless<br />
Pete</p>
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		By: Discerning The World		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Discerning The World]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 08:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Roger

Hmmm you&#039;re actually lucky I like you Roger cos Cobus van Wyngaard (your friend in all things emerging) would never let me post anything as remotely intelligent as what you said above... (I only removed your post above cos you were playing silly games)

In fact I can&#039;t comment on Cobus&#039; blog at all, I think he has a delete comment button he set up especially for me labelled:

&#039;Arrgghhhhh automatically delete this womans comment as fast as possible - she quotes scripture!!!&#039;

Ahhh just gotta love the love...lol]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roger</p>
<p>Hmmm you&#8217;re actually lucky I like you Roger cos Cobus van Wyngaard (your friend in all things emerging) would never let me post anything as remotely intelligent as what you said above&#8230; (I only removed your post above cos you were playing silly games)</p>
<p>In fact I can&#8217;t comment on Cobus&#8217; blog at all, I think he has a delete comment button he set up especially for me labelled:</p>
<p>&#8216;Arrgghhhhh automatically delete this womans comment as fast as possible &#8211; she quotes scripture!!!&#8217;</p>
<p>Ahhh just gotta love the love&#8230;lol</p>
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		By: Roger		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 08:09:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m being quite serious, DTW - as for my split personality, I&#039;m praying for it.

My comment which you removed said: after Dietrich Bonhoeffer met Hitler, he was asked afterwards what the experience was like. He answered: &quot;I saw Jesus in him.&quot;

In other words, Bonhoeffer loved his enemy so much he was able to see Jesus in him.

I offer that as a counterpoint to this post.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m being quite serious, DTW &#8211; as for my split personality, I&#8217;m praying for it.</p>
<p>My comment which you removed said: after Dietrich Bonhoeffer met Hitler, he was asked afterwards what the experience was like. He answered: &#8220;I saw Jesus in him.&#8221;</p>
<p>In other words, Bonhoeffer loved his enemy so much he was able to see Jesus in him.</p>
<p>I offer that as a counterpoint to this post.</p>
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		By: Discerning The World		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 15:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;WhooooooooooHoooooooooooooooooo!!!!!&lt;/strong&gt;

Thank you Chris!!  And thank you Amanda :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>WhooooooooooHoooooooooooooooooo!!!!!</strong></p>
<p>Thank you Chris!!  And thank you Amanda 🙂</p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 10:43:02 +0000</pubDate>
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Note by DTW:   If you can&#039;t be serious (as per your split personality in the link below) Roger / Frank then I will remove your posts...

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<p>Note by DTW:   If you can&#8217;t be serious (as per your split personality in the link below) Roger / Frank then I will remove your posts&#8230;</p>
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		By: Amanda		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 10:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;span class=&quot;removed_link&quot; title=&quot;http://www.fightingforthefaith.com/2009/06/twilight-zone-think-along-episode.html&quot;&gt;Twilight Zone Think Along Episode&lt;/span&gt;

Chris Rosebrough gallantly devoted 2h40min on his program Fighting for the Faith on &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.piratechristianradio.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Pirate Christian Radio &lt;/a&gt;critiqing and comparing the teachings given at the Amahoro conference, to what Maitreya has supposedly channeled through Benjamin Crème. Many thanks to him for his service to the Body of Christ. I don&#039;t know of any Dutch Reformed theologian in South Africa that will have the backbone to think this through, let alone rebuke our young emerging enthusiasts or warning the flock. The sheep will simply have to spread Chris&#039;s warning themselves and then preach repentance and the forgiveness of sin in the name of Jesus Christ. Chris has invited feedback on the program to try and answer the question: &quot;What &lt;b&gt; is &lt;/b&gt; this?&quot;

One thing is for sure. It is not Christianity! I would say it is an all out attack to destroy Christianity by using the plight of the poor as an excuse to change Christian theology. They are comfortable talking about the narrative that has a beginning and an end and being ready to move beyond Christianity: &lt;span class=&quot;removed_link&quot; title=&quot;http://www.futurechurch.co.za/roger-saner/2009/06/10/talks-from-the-amahoro-gathering-so-far&quot;&gt;Questions to Brian McLaren about his talk - The African Reformation&lt;/span&gt;

Methodist preacher, Paul Verryn, talking on &lt;span class=&quot;removed_link&quot; title=&quot;http://www.futurechurch.co.za/roger-saner/2009/06/10/talks-from-the-amahoro-gathering-so-far&quot;&gt;the reformation of the church said:&lt;/span&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;It is completely unacceptable, completely unacceptable, that we have the disparity between the rich and the poor that we do have in this country. And the country is 80, 90% religious. If you happen to be a Muslim, then you will know that if that&#039;s what is happening in a country, it is a sign, or it is a warning that god will cleanse you. So that the disparity cannot continue. And it will not continue. And I stand very humbly before you today and I want to say to you, if we don&#039;t reform, if we don&#039;t move the economics of this nation in another direction, we are in for bad weather. Very, very bad weather. And I know that. I am telling you if I had to end up on the streets, and I could end up on the streets, I am going to organize, I am going to organize a revolution. We&#039;ll try to begin with being peaceful, but if we can&#039;t, we will have to do it in another way.&lt;blockquote&gt;

It looks to me that we, the rainbow people, have found a pot full &#039;gospels&#039;. Verryn says:

&lt;blockquote&gt;The question is how do we get there. How do we in actual fact make sense of the Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because He has anointed me to preach &lt;b&gt;the good news &lt;/b&gt;to the poor? And you and I know that good news to the poor is a healthy bath, a good plate of food, security and reasonable warmth on cold days like this. So &lt;b&gt;our gospel&lt;/b&gt; in actual fact, I think, starts with some very practical stuff.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You might wonder what the good news to the rich might be. Prof. Stephan Joubert of the University of Pretoria has already delivered that in a sermon he preached at Mosaik meditation community, or church, if they like 2009-04-07 [my translation]:

&lt;blockquote&gt;This is the message of Easter, that when you get in touch with Jesus, what you can do, do it.

But what you can do, you must do for Jesus. And you must do it until it pushes you into the red. Until it takes you to the point of no return

Jesus reminds us of this woman. Maybe this is the pinnacle. Not His great teaching on the end times. Not His great parable of the farmer and the vineyard. Not his parable of the girls with the oil in their lamps and those that did not have oil. Maybe not His parable of His return about the sheep and the goats. This simple deed in the inner circle, the woman that gave it all, that poured out her life on the feet of Jesus, &lt;b&gt;maybe that is the gospel.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

He has another gospel on his &lt;span class=&quot;removed_link&quot; title=&quot;http://www.ekerk.co.za/stephanjoubert/2009/6/8/what-about-that-footprint.html&quot;&gt;webpage:&lt;/span&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt; Religion is not just about God and you in isolation from the rest of his creation. God is the creator of the entire universe, and his creation is in ruins. Fresh water, coal and other natural resources will most definitely run out soon if we use them up at a rate faster than they can replenish themselves. By the way, researchers tell us that this is already happening all around the globe. Each person on earth has a carbon footprint. We produce carbon emissions directly or indirectly, which have a combined negative short and long term effect on our environment. &lt;b&gt;But the gospel (=good news) is that we have the capacity to make a difference.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;

This is shocking! Please go and listen carefully to Chris&#039;s critique. While you are there, consider supporting his vital ministry of providing &quot;a daily dose of Biblical discernment.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="removed_link" title="http://www.fightingforthefaith.com/2009/06/twilight-zone-think-along-episode.html">Twilight Zone Think Along Episode</span></p>
<p>Chris Rosebrough gallantly devoted 2h40min on his program Fighting for the Faith on <a target="_blank" href="http://www.piratechristianradio.com/"  rel="nofollow">Pirate Christian Radio </a>critiqing and comparing the teachings given at the Amahoro conference, to what Maitreya has supposedly channeled through Benjamin Crème. Many thanks to him for his service to the Body of Christ. I don&#8217;t know of any Dutch Reformed theologian in South Africa that will have the backbone to think this through, let alone rebuke our young emerging enthusiasts or warning the flock. The sheep will simply have to spread Chris&#8217;s warning themselves and then preach repentance and the forgiveness of sin in the name of Jesus Christ. Chris has invited feedback on the program to try and answer the question: &#8220;What <b> is </b> this?&#8221;</p>
<p>One thing is for sure. It is not Christianity! I would say it is an all out attack to destroy Christianity by using the plight of the poor as an excuse to change Christian theology. They are comfortable talking about the narrative that has a beginning and an end and being ready to move beyond Christianity: <span class="removed_link" title="http://www.futurechurch.co.za/roger-saner/2009/06/10/talks-from-the-amahoro-gathering-so-far">Questions to Brian McLaren about his talk &#8211; The African Reformation</span></p>
<p>Methodist preacher, Paul Verryn, talking on <span class="removed_link" title="http://www.futurechurch.co.za/roger-saner/2009/06/10/talks-from-the-amahoro-gathering-so-far">the reformation of the church said:</span></p>
<blockquote><p>It is completely unacceptable, completely unacceptable, that we have the disparity between the rich and the poor that we do have in this country. And the country is 80, 90% religious. If you happen to be a Muslim, then you will know that if that&#8217;s what is happening in a country, it is a sign, or it is a warning that god will cleanse you. So that the disparity cannot continue. And it will not continue. And I stand very humbly before you today and I want to say to you, if we don&#8217;t reform, if we don&#8217;t move the economics of this nation in another direction, we are in for bad weather. Very, very bad weather. And I know that. I am telling you if I had to end up on the streets, and I could end up on the streets, I am going to organize, I am going to organize a revolution. We&#8217;ll try to begin with being peaceful, but if we can&#8217;t, we will have to do it in another way.</p>
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<p>It looks to me that we, the rainbow people, have found a pot full &#8216;gospels&#8217;. Verryn says:</p>
<blockquote><p>The question is how do we get there. How do we in actual fact make sense of the Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because He has anointed me to preach <b>the good news </b>to the poor? And you and I know that good news to the poor is a healthy bath, a good plate of food, security and reasonable warmth on cold days like this. So <b>our gospel</b> in actual fact, I think, starts with some very practical stuff.</p></blockquote>
<p>You might wonder what the good news to the rich might be. Prof. Stephan Joubert of the University of Pretoria has already delivered that in a sermon he preached at Mosaik meditation community, or church, if they like 2009-04-07 [my translation]:</p>
<blockquote><p>This is the message of Easter, that when you get in touch with Jesus, what you can do, do it.</p>
<p>But what you can do, you must do for Jesus. And you must do it until it pushes you into the red. Until it takes you to the point of no return</p>
<p>Jesus reminds us of this woman. Maybe this is the pinnacle. Not His great teaching on the end times. Not His great parable of the farmer and the vineyard. Not his parable of the girls with the oil in their lamps and those that did not have oil. Maybe not His parable of His return about the sheep and the goats. This simple deed in the inner circle, the woman that gave it all, that poured out her life on the feet of Jesus, <b>maybe that is the gospel.</b></p></blockquote>
<p>He has another gospel on his <span class="removed_link" title="http://www.ekerk.co.za/stephanjoubert/2009/6/8/what-about-that-footprint.html">webpage:</span></p>
<blockquote><p> Religion is not just about God and you in isolation from the rest of his creation. God is the creator of the entire universe, and his creation is in ruins. Fresh water, coal and other natural resources will most definitely run out soon if we use them up at a rate faster than they can replenish themselves. By the way, researchers tell us that this is already happening all around the globe. Each person on earth has a carbon footprint. We produce carbon emissions directly or indirectly, which have a combined negative short and long term effect on our environment. <b>But the gospel (=good news) is that we have the capacity to make a difference.</b></p>
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<p>This is shocking! Please go and listen carefully to Chris&#8217;s critique. While you are there, consider supporting his vital ministry of providing &#8220;a daily dose of Biblical discernment.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
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