Comments on: T.B. Joshua – The Deceiver

By: Tom Lessing (Discerning the World)

Tom Lessing (Discerning the World) — Sun, 14 Aug 2016 06:28:41 +0000

In reply to Sands.

Sands,

Would you say Jesus wasn’t serious when He said, “Take heed that no man deceive you”? (Matthew 24:4). You seem to say, “Am I my brother’s keeper?”

By: Sands

Sands — Mon, 08 Aug 2016 07:13:32 +0000

I really wish people would use all this energy to win souls for Christ. Jesus is coming soon, as evidenced by the signs of the times. Those who are false teachers will face their penalty. For now what are we doing rather, about the mandate that Christ gave us to go into all the world and make disciples? We are to discern and test every spirit for ourselves and have nothing to do with the ungodly. We were never instructed to have lengthy conversations in this regard and trash each other whilst we are at it. I say, let us rather bring others to Christ and allow people to choose for themselves, according to their own testing of spirits, who is true and who is fake. The harvest is ready but the labourers are few. Let us avail ourselves for more profitable work for the Lord ald leave these tru/false prophets to God, the righteous and all knowing judge. Work out YOUR OWN salvation with fear and trembling.

By: Tom Lessing (Discerning the World)

Tom Lessing (Discerning the World) — Mon, 19 Jan 2015 19:38:48 +0000

In reply to Johan Kruger.

Johan Kruger,

You need to know what the difference is between judging a person and discerning and evaluating his or her teaching in order to come to a correct and righteous judgment – not of the person but his or her doctrines. We are commanded to judge all things. If you don’t, you are not mature. Read 1 Corinthians 2:15 in the Amplified Bible.

By: Tom Lessing (Discerning the World)

Tom Lessing (Discerning the World) — Mon, 19 Jan 2015 19:33:11 +0000

In reply to Johan Kruger. Johan Kruger wrote

I have another comment or qeustion that is non related to any prior discussion: Is it neccesary to travel all over the world to preachers prophets to find healing salvation or whatever the need is people wants filled.Can God not do it for us wherever we are. Can He not deal with us right where we are, without any intervention from an outside source or preacher. I think He can. What are your thoughts about it.

This thing that one needs to travel all over the world to preachers and so-called prophets to find healing and salvation is a Roman Catholic heresy. You can go on your knees and as God yourself to heal you and He will heal you IF it is his will. Sometimes He does not heal you because He wants to teach you something that is spiritually more profound than healing.

By: Tom Lessing (Discerning the World)

Tom Lessing (Discerning the World) — Mon, 19 Jan 2015 19:23:54 +0000

In reply to Johan Kruger. Johan Kruger, What would you do if you asked me for a glass of cool water to quench your thirst and I put a single drop of poison into the water? Not knowing that their is poison in the water, you would probably drink it and die. However, what if someone saw me poisoning the water and warned you about it? Are you going to heed his warning or are you going to ignore it and drink it anyway? You;d be a fool if you do not heed his warning. That's why the Bible says:

My brothers, if anyone among you wanders from the truth and someone brings him back, let him know that whoever brings back a sinner from his wandering will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins. (James 5:19-20)

Or would you rather not save a wandering person's soul from death? Warning others against false teachers is not judgment. It is your duty. False doctrine is worse that the most lethal poison. (Read here)

By: Johan Kruger

Johan Kruger — Mon, 19 Jan 2015 10:02:09 +0000

God show no partiality. A last though Thomas: Romans 2:1-6. that is why i do not judge others. My understanding of that passages are that it is the right way for me not to stand in judgement. But that is my choice. Anyone can feel free to elaborate on those verses each of us might see it totally different.However this is an discussion not an argument to attack other people or to judge anyone. It will be interesting to see how similar we actualy all are or how different.(Let us all have a decent and mutualy respectfull discussion about This verses only.)

By: Johan Kruger

Johan Kruger — Mon, 19 Jan 2015 09:27:24 +0000

I have another comment or qeustion that is non related to any prior discussion: Is it neccesary to travel all over the world to preachers prophets to find healing salvation or whatever the need is people wants filled.Can God not do it for us wherever we are. Can He not deal with us right where we are, without any intervention from an outside source or preacher. I think He can. What are your thoughts about it.

By: Johan Kruger

Johan Kruger — Mon, 19 Jan 2015 09:12:13 +0000

PS. Thomas your Qouted Scripture from James 5 says it all.

By: Johan Kruger

Johan Kruger — Mon, 19 Jan 2015 09:07:26 +0000

Thomas Lessing- Thanx u are proving my point, u are judging me without even knowing me. I myself have no interest in false teachings and it is not for me to be the judge of you tb joshau or kvr ( Or anyone else) only One will do that when the day arrives. What u are attempting has merit although passionate, it still have to come via the love of God for mankind.I havent listened to these preachers mentioned for more than a minute. I am as passionate as u you when it comes to the truth. Only difference I do not judge anyone. Lets face it if we were all perfect creations and equals of God Jesus and The Holy Spirit then only will we have the right to judge others fairly. WE ARE NOT, we are prone to fail and prone to human emotions and error.We can all qoute scripture and as u know and so can the enemy of all things good. God is love and He even loves sinners because He gave His Son so all can be saved through Him. U, me and whosoever will accept Him in their lifes as Saviour. Why am I telling u something u know, I dont realy think it is neccesary. I am sure u agree that the enemy can present himself as an angel of light. Do what u do, I sense u are very passionate about it. I will suggest however that before u jump on the warhorse pray and put on the whole armour of God and u will be guided with love, truth and by the Holy Spirit. See then how things will change for the better that way more good will be done and u will be more effective and convincing at bringing your message across. Keep up the Good work.

By: Tom Lessing (Discerning the World)

Tom Lessing (Discerning the World) — Fri, 16 Jan 2015 07:33:03 +0000

In reply to Johan Kruger.

Johann Kruger,

You are commanded to judge righteously and if you don’t you are downright disobedient to Jesus Christ.

We are not judging. We are warning people against these false prophets and teachers who are leading millions to the slaughter house.

Do you think Paul was judging when he said the following?

But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed [perish in hell]. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed [perish in hell]. (Gal 1:8-9).

We know for a fact that the false prophets, teachers and apostles will never listen to us but we are always elated when one single person listens to us and escapes their demonic clutches.

They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them. We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error. (1 John 4:5-6).

Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him; Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins. (James 5:19-20)

Have you been to TB Joshua?
Have you been to Kobus van Rensburg?

Both are in the same class – false prophets!