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		By: Discerning The World		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 15:51:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/07/11/rob-bell-shane-hipps-peter-rollins-teaching-arts-and-crafts-no-never-cant-be/#comment-1052&quot;&gt;Discerning The World&lt;/a&gt;.

His email has been added to the end of the article above as it was on the Word document.

Also I found his handle at UPSpace at the University of Pretoria.



And this sure as nuts is not a &quot;phishing&quot; website.  lol]]></description>
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<p>His email has been added to the end of the article above as it was on the Word document.</p>
<p>Also I found his handle at UPSpace at the University of Pretoria.</p>
<p>And this sure as nuts is not a &#8220;phishing&#8221; website.  lol</p>
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		By: Discerning The World		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 12:40:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/07/11/rob-bell-shane-hipps-peter-rollins-teaching-arts-and-crafts-no-never-cant-be/#comment-1050&quot;&gt;Amanda&lt;/a&gt;.

Oh gosh, I left off the email address...let me find it quick.]]></description>
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<p>Oh gosh, I left off the email address&#8230;let me find it quick.</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 12:37:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/07/11/rob-bell-shane-hipps-peter-rollins-teaching-arts-and-crafts-no-never-cant-be/#comment-1049&quot;&gt;Discerning The World&lt;/a&gt;.

Having said that, Cobus exisits.  Until we find out who JW Gericke is, I can still ask you what you think about Cobus&#039; article.  Good or Bad?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/07/11/rob-bell-shane-hipps-peter-rollins-teaching-arts-and-crafts-no-never-cant-be/#comment-1049" >Discerning The World</a>.</p>
<p>Having said that, Cobus exisits.  Until we find out who JW Gericke is, I can still ask you what you think about Cobus&#8217; article.  Good or Bad?</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 12:34:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/07/11/rob-bell-shane-hipps-peter-rollins-teaching-arts-and-crafts-no-never-cant-be/#comment-1049&quot;&gt;Discerning The World&lt;/a&gt;.

Well lets email and find out, email address is at the bottom of the post.]]></description>
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<p>Well lets email and find out, email address is at the bottom of the post.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[Who would Jaco Gericke be? I never heard of him, especially not at UP]]></description>
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		By: Amanda		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/07/11/rob-bell-shane-hipps-peter-rollins-teaching-arts-and-crafts-no-never-cant-be/#comment-1044&quot;&gt;Discerning The World&lt;/a&gt;.

You&#039;re welcome.]]></description>
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<p>You&#8217;re welcome.</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 08:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Freddie:
&lt;span class=&quot;removed_link&quot; title=&quot;http://1joh4.wordpress.com/2009/04/06/die-brandpunt-van-suid-afrika-se-ontluikende-kerk/&quot;&gt;Ds. Jannie Pelser&lt;/span&gt; on Radio Pulpit:

Is God se openbaring, God se werk, nie groter as net die Christendom nie? Sou daar nie ook elemente wees, sou ons nie by mekaar kon leer [nie], selfs al moet dit nou die New Age wees. Maar as ek dink rondom die kontemplatiewe . . . n stil word voor God, n oopstel voor God. is dit nie n winsmoment nie?

Ds. Guillaume Smit:

&quot;Ongetwyfeld is dit n winsmoment. Die Bybel self sê vir ons, in Romeine nogal, dat waar die mense nie die wet van Moses het nie, gaan God in hulle harte kyk want hulle skryf hulle eie wet in hulle harte neer en die konteks daar is baie duidelik dat dit gaan oor mense wat nie die openbaring van die Jode gekry het voordat hulle Christene geword het nie, of dan nou selfs doodgegaan het sonder blootstelling aan die Joodse geloof of die Christelike geloof nie. n Mens kry die idee dat die Bybel self die uitspraak lewer dat God met die hele wêreld besig is, ook buite om die Christendom. Daarmee sê ek nie almal gaan hemel toe nie. Daarom sê ek ons moet daai vraag op die tafel sit dat God besig is met alles en met almal en dat ons die draers van die openbaring is, as gelowige Christene, maar spesifiek wil ek dan ook sê, die winsmoment is die feit dat ons die geleentheid het om in gesprek te tree met kultuuruitinge wat ons in staat stel om tot stilstand te kom sodat ons weer op n vars manier kan hoor wat God vir ons wil sê. Jy het na die kontemplatiewe verwys. Die kontemplatiewe lê toevallig in die vroeë kerk . . . en kom uit die kloosterera uit en as n mens daarop sou ingaan dan dink ek nie n mens moet die baba met die badwater uitgooi nie. En n mens moet veral ook bereid wees om, wanneer n mens mense wil beoordeel, in gesprek met hulle te tree en na hulle te luister want om n ding krities te ondersoek beteken nie dat jy net foute uitlig nie maar dat jy ook na die persoon se hart gaan kyk en na sy integriteit gaan kyk.&quot;

Ongetwyfeld? Maybe not.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://emergingbracken.blogspot.com/2009/04/investigations-into-new-age-philosophy.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ds. Guillaume Smit&lt;/a&gt;:

&quot;I have recently been accused of supporting new age philosophies. At the time, I decided not to react to the specifics, as the discussion was initiated and conducted through quite an amount of mud slinging. As I am at heart a researcher, I decided to rather look into the latest information on new age philosophy and try to see if what I conveyed during a radio interview indeed could be perceived to be supporting new age influences, and more specifically if today&#039;s church is really infiltrated with new age thinking.&quot;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://emergingbracken.blogspot.com/2009/04/ongoing-discussion-with-tom-lessing.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Rob Bell according to Ds. Smit&lt;/a&gt;:

&quot;I am not a follower of Stephan Joubert&#039;s thoughts. I came to my own conclusions by theological study and personal reflection and an ongoing investigation of the Bible. For the record, conclusions I made in 1997 during postgraduate studies regarding the need for a new evangelistic approach and ecclesiology (or teaching about the nature of the church), was afterward also reflected by pastors and ministers in what eventually came to be known as the emerging church. Stephan was not my promotor for this study. We are, however, good friends, and I trust his integrity and judgment. When he attests to somebody else&#039;s authenticity, such as what he said about Rob Bell (and that I referred to during the radio programme), I have enough trust in his opinion and integrity to accept it at face value.&quot;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2009/april/26.34.html?start=3&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Gospel according to Rob Bell, the Christian&lt;/a&gt;I would say that history is headed somewhere. The thousands of little ways in which you are tempted to believe that hope might actually be a legitimate response to the insanity of the world actually can be trusted. And the Christian story is that a tomb is empty, and a movement has actually begun that has been present in a sense all along in creation. And all those times when your cynicism was at odds with an impulse within you that said that this little thing might be about something biggerthose tiny little slivers may in fact be connected to something really, really big.&quot;

Freddie the student, now you need to find out about Rob&#039;s hero, Ken Wilbur the Buddhist, and integral theory. Oh, wait. You can ask Prof. Stephan Joubert. I am sure Rob explained it to him.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Freddie:<br />
<span class="removed_link" title="http://1joh4.wordpress.com/2009/04/06/die-brandpunt-van-suid-afrika-se-ontluikende-kerk/">Ds. Jannie Pelser</span> on Radio Pulpit:</p>
<p>Is God se openbaring, God se werk, nie groter as net die Christendom nie? Sou daar nie ook elemente wees, sou ons nie by mekaar kon leer [nie], selfs al moet dit nou die New Age wees. Maar as ek dink rondom die kontemplatiewe . . . n stil word voor God, n oopstel voor God. is dit nie n winsmoment nie?</p>
<p>Ds. Guillaume Smit:</p>
<p>&#8220;Ongetwyfeld is dit n winsmoment. Die Bybel self sê vir ons, in Romeine nogal, dat waar die mense nie die wet van Moses het nie, gaan God in hulle harte kyk want hulle skryf hulle eie wet in hulle harte neer en die konteks daar is baie duidelik dat dit gaan oor mense wat nie die openbaring van die Jode gekry het voordat hulle Christene geword het nie, of dan nou selfs doodgegaan het sonder blootstelling aan die Joodse geloof of die Christelike geloof nie. n Mens kry die idee dat die Bybel self die uitspraak lewer dat God met die hele wêreld besig is, ook buite om die Christendom. Daarmee sê ek nie almal gaan hemel toe nie. Daarom sê ek ons moet daai vraag op die tafel sit dat God besig is met alles en met almal en dat ons die draers van die openbaring is, as gelowige Christene, maar spesifiek wil ek dan ook sê, die winsmoment is die feit dat ons die geleentheid het om in gesprek te tree met kultuuruitinge wat ons in staat stel om tot stilstand te kom sodat ons weer op n vars manier kan hoor wat God vir ons wil sê. Jy het na die kontemplatiewe verwys. Die kontemplatiewe lê toevallig in die vroeë kerk . . . en kom uit die kloosterera uit en as n mens daarop sou ingaan dan dink ek nie n mens moet die baba met die badwater uitgooi nie. En n mens moet veral ook bereid wees om, wanneer n mens mense wil beoordeel, in gesprek met hulle te tree en na hulle te luister want om n ding krities te ondersoek beteken nie dat jy net foute uitlig nie maar dat jy ook na die persoon se hart gaan kyk en na sy integriteit gaan kyk.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ongetwyfeld? Maybe not.</p>
<p><a target="_blank" href="http://emergingbracken.blogspot.com/2009/04/investigations-into-new-age-philosophy.html"  rel="nofollow">Ds. Guillaume Smit</a>:</p>
<p>&#8220;I have recently been accused of supporting new age philosophies. At the time, I decided not to react to the specifics, as the discussion was initiated and conducted through quite an amount of mud slinging. As I am at heart a researcher, I decided to rather look into the latest information on new age philosophy and try to see if what I conveyed during a radio interview indeed could be perceived to be supporting new age influences, and more specifically if today&#8217;s church is really infiltrated with new age thinking.&#8221;</p>
<p><a target="_blank" href="http://emergingbracken.blogspot.com/2009/04/ongoing-discussion-with-tom-lessing.html"  rel="nofollow">Rob Bell according to Ds. Smit</a>:</p>
<p>&#8220;I am not a follower of Stephan Joubert&#8217;s thoughts. I came to my own conclusions by theological study and personal reflection and an ongoing investigation of the Bible. For the record, conclusions I made in 1997 during postgraduate studies regarding the need for a new evangelistic approach and ecclesiology (or teaching about the nature of the church), was afterward also reflected by pastors and ministers in what eventually came to be known as the emerging church. Stephan was not my promotor for this study. We are, however, good friends, and I trust his integrity and judgment. When he attests to somebody else&#8217;s authenticity, such as what he said about Rob Bell (and that I referred to during the radio programme), I have enough trust in his opinion and integrity to accept it at face value.&#8221;</p>
<p><a target="_blank" href="http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2009/april/26.34.html?start=3"  rel="nofollow">The Gospel according to Rob Bell, the Christian</a>I would say that history is headed somewhere. The thousands of little ways in which you are tempted to believe that hope might actually be a legitimate response to the insanity of the world actually can be trusted. And the Christian story is that a tomb is empty, and a movement has actually begun that has been present in a sense all along in creation. And all those times when your cynicism was at odds with an impulse within you that said that this little thing might be about something biggerthose tiny little slivers may in fact be connected to something really, really big.&#8221;</p>
<p>Freddie the student, now you need to find out about Rob&#8217;s hero, Ken Wilbur the Buddhist, and integral theory. Oh, wait. You can ask Prof. Stephan Joubert. I am sure Rob explained it to him.</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 08:09:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/07/11/rob-bell-shane-hipps-peter-rollins-teaching-arts-and-crafts-no-never-cant-be/#comment-1046&quot;&gt;Amanda&lt;/a&gt;.

Writing an article on the Labyrinth since yesterday...guess who has a link on his blog condoning and also suggesting that christian youth sould walk labyrinths. (Edit:  Oh you referred to him already, oops). Same guy who said hes going to teach Lecto Divina to his young followers....

In fact Freddie if you want MORE proof (not sure how much you actually need before your eyes are opened to the truth) just read Cobus&#039; blog then ask him why he also wrote the following article :  .

Do you feel disgust that he could mock and insult your Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ like this?  Does this upset you?  Does this hurt your heart in any way.  Do you think this hurts the one you call your Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ?

Also, don&#039;t you think this article by Jaco Gericke (Faculty of Theology, University of Pretoria) is insulting to students?  Do you in any way feel like he has insulted you, by mocking born again Christians?   

Will you stand up for Jesus Christ the only Son of God, or will you stand on the side of those who hate Jesus Christ and follow the FALSE CHRIST that Jesus Christ warned YOU about?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/07/11/rob-bell-shane-hipps-peter-rollins-teaching-arts-and-crafts-no-never-cant-be/#comment-1046" >Amanda</a>.</p>
<p>Writing an article on the Labyrinth since yesterday&#8230;guess who has a link on his blog condoning and also suggesting that christian youth sould walk labyrinths. (Edit:  Oh you referred to him already, oops). Same guy who said hes going to teach Lecto Divina to his young followers&#8230;.</p>
<p>In fact Freddie if you want MORE proof (not sure how much you actually need before your eyes are opened to the truth) just read Cobus&#8217; blog then ask him why he also wrote the following article :  .</p>
<p>Do you feel disgust that he could mock and insult your Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ like this?  Does this upset you?  Does this hurt your heart in any way.  Do you think this hurts the one you call your Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ?</p>
<p>Also, don&#8217;t you think this article by Jaco Gericke (Faculty of Theology, University of Pretoria) is insulting to students?  Do you in any way feel like he has insulted you, by mocking born again Christians?   </p>
<p>Will you stand up for Jesus Christ the only Son of God, or will you stand on the side of those who hate Jesus Christ and follow the FALSE CHRIST that Jesus Christ warned YOU about?</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[Freddie:

Something new that is old: &lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://krabbelaar.wordpress.com/2009/04/12/paasfees-bediening-en-%e2%80%99n-bietjie-meel/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the labyrinth.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://mycontemplations.wordpress.com/2008/07/04/bushveld-labyrinth/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The labyrinth &lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; &quot;where people can find peace, harmony, and connect with transcendence.&quot;

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;removed_link&quot; title=&quot;http://www.kameeldrif.org/geestelike-groei/eredienste/skemerdiens/&quot;&gt;Contemplative spirituality&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; in your reformed denomination.

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://wccmsa.wordpress.com/2009/04/16/the-goal-of-christian-meditation/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;  Ds. Johan van den Heever&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;  Eldoraigne Familiekerk: &quot;The goal in Christian meditation is to enter into silence where God dwells. In the silence one can experience the intimate unity with God.&quot;

But then, you knew all this, Freddie.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Freddie:</p>
<p>Something new that is old: <strong><a target="_blank" href="http://krabbelaar.wordpress.com/2009/04/12/paasfees-bediening-en-%e2%80%99n-bietjie-meel/"  rel="nofollow">the labyrinth.</a></strong></p>
<p><strong><a target="_blank" href="http://mycontemplations.wordpress.com/2008/07/04/bushveld-labyrinth/"  rel="nofollow">The labyrinth </a></strong> &#8220;where people can find peace, harmony, and connect with transcendence.&#8221;</p>
<p><strong><span class="removed_link" title="http://www.kameeldrif.org/geestelike-groei/eredienste/skemerdiens/">Contemplative spirituality</span></strong> in your reformed denomination.</p>
<p><strong><a target="_blank" href="http://wccmsa.wordpress.com/2009/04/16/the-goal-of-christian-meditation/"  rel="nofollow">  Ds. Johan van den Heever</a></strong>  Eldoraigne Familiekerk: &#8220;The goal in Christian meditation is to enter into silence where God dwells. In the silence one can experience the intimate unity with God.&#8221;</p>
<p>But then, you knew all this, Freddie.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/07/11/rob-bell-shane-hipps-peter-rollins-teaching-arts-and-crafts-no-never-cant-be/#comment-1042&quot;&gt;Discerning The World&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks Amanda!!!]]></description>
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<p>Thanks Amanda!!!</p>
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