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		By: Deborah (Discerning the World)		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/05/16/what-does-an-encounter-mean-or-is-that-a-g12/#comment-461224&quot;&gt;Jeffrey Ettie&lt;/a&gt;.

Dear Jeffrey

You said: &quot;but I see it as a new form revealed by God to men&quot;

Is this &#039;new form&#039; mentioned in the bible? Can you please quote us some bible scripture to back up this &#039;new way&#039; of doing things?

You said &quot;expand the Lord’s KINGDOM in preparation for his coming.&quot;

You are expanding the &lt;strong&gt;Roman Catholic&lt;/strong&gt; Kingdom of God, not Jesus&#039; Kingdom. The bible says:

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Luke 18:8 &quot;I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth? &quot;&lt;/ol&gt;

You say you are expanding the Kingdom on God in preparation for Christ&#039;s return and Jesus Christ says He doubts He will find any faith on earth when He returns... now the big question is; &lt;strong&gt;who do we believe&lt;/strong&gt; Him or you and your Pentecostal undercover Roman Catholic Church?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/05/16/what-does-an-encounter-mean-or-is-that-a-g12/#comment-461224" >Jeffrey Ettie</a>.</p>
<p>Dear Jeffrey</p>
<p>You said: &#8220;but I see it as a new form revealed by God to men&#8221;</p>
<p>Is this &#8216;new form&#8217; mentioned in the bible? Can you please quote us some bible scripture to back up this &#8216;new way&#8217; of doing things?</p>
<p>You said &#8220;expand the Lord’s KINGDOM in preparation for his coming.&#8221;</p>
<p>You are expanding the <strong>Roman Catholic</strong> Kingdom of God, not Jesus&#8217; Kingdom. The bible says:</p>
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Luke 18:8 &#8220;I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth? &#8220;</ol>
<p>You say you are expanding the Kingdom on God in preparation for Christ&#8217;s return and Jesus Christ says He doubts He will find any faith on earth when He returns&#8230; now the big question is; <strong>who do we believe</strong> Him or you and your Pentecostal undercover Roman Catholic Church?</p>
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		By: Tom (Discerning the World)		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Oct 2017 16:41:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/05/16/what-does-an-encounter-mean-or-is-that-a-g12/#comment-461224&quot;&gt;Jeffrey Ettie&lt;/a&gt;.

Jeffrey Ettie

G12 is not only a cult, it is one of the most dangerous deceptions of the last days. The sooner you leave them, the better for you but I doubt whether you will listen to our exhortation

http://www.letusreason.org/pent55.htm

http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/?p=385]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/05/16/what-does-an-encounter-mean-or-is-that-a-g12/#comment-461224" >Jeffrey Ettie</a>.</p>
<p>Jeffrey Ettie</p>
<p>G12 is not only a cult, it is one of the most dangerous deceptions of the last days. The sooner you leave them, the better for you but I doubt whether you will listen to our exhortation</p>
<p><a target="_blank" href="http://www.letusreason.org/pent55.htm"  rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.letusreason.org/pent55.htm</a></p>
<p><a target="_blank" href="http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/?p=385"  rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/?p=385</a></p>
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		By: Jeffrey Ettie		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Oct 2017 16:16:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hey brother. I&#039;m not sure why you&#039;re accusing G12 churches as occult when in fact they are the ones who are engaging actively in the doing the great commission. Traditionally, we use the term bible study to name what we call discipleship and soul winning. This strategy is definitely identical to the G12 vision. I don&#039;t see G12 as an occult but I see it as a new form revealed by God to men in order to expand the Lord&#039;s KINGDOM in preparation for his coming. Stop accusing the members of the church. Start helping them rather.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey brother. I&#8217;m not sure why you&#8217;re accusing G12 churches as occult when in fact they are the ones who are engaging actively in the doing the great commission. Traditionally, we use the term bible study to name what we call discipleship and soul winning. This strategy is definitely identical to the G12 vision. I don&#8217;t see G12 as an occult but I see it as a new form revealed by God to men in order to expand the Lord&#8217;s KINGDOM in preparation for his coming. Stop accusing the members of the church. Start helping them rather.</p>
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		By: Tom Lessing (Discerning the World)		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2016 07:47:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/05/16/what-does-an-encounter-mean-or-is-that-a-g12/#comment-451437&quot;&gt;reyes&lt;/a&gt;.

reyes

Please read the following link&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.spiritual-research-network.com/G12_cult_spiritual_abuse_dangers.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; here&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ex-premie.org/singer/#manipulation&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/05/16/what-does-an-encounter-mean-or-is-that-a-g12/#comment-451437" >reyes</a>.</p>
<p>reyes</p>
<p>Please read the following link<a target="_blank" href="http://www.spiritual-research-network.com/G12_cult_spiritual_abuse_dangers.html"  rel="nofollow"> here</a> and <a target="_blank" href="http://www.ex-premie.org/singer/#manipulation"  rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
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		By: reyes		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2016 06:38:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I attended one of the G12 encounters and honestly its not demonic.. God really moved, I saw people being delivered from demonic oppressions, addictions and depressions and etc. I&#039;m one of those people who once had a messy and addicted life but through the Encounter With God retreat i was freed and saved by God.I am sure that i am not deceived because right now i am living my life totally opposite of the wrecked me before. and i can testify that all the teachings and preachings there are 100% biblical. Some people are wrongly judging Encounter with God retreat because they have not experience it themselves. and others did attend yet still judge wrongly because they don&#039;t really understand at all and some are just being to religious.

God bless you all. may God unveil the eyes of those who are judging Encounter with God retreat wrongly and may God forgive them all.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I attended one of the G12 encounters and honestly its not demonic.. God really moved, I saw people being delivered from demonic oppressions, addictions and depressions and etc. I&#8217;m one of those people who once had a messy and addicted life but through the Encounter With God retreat i was freed and saved by God.I am sure that i am not deceived because right now i am living my life totally opposite of the wrecked me before. and i can testify that all the teachings and preachings there are 100% biblical. Some people are wrongly judging Encounter with God retreat because they have not experience it themselves. and others did attend yet still judge wrongly because they don&#8217;t really understand at all and some are just being to religious.</p>
<p>God bless you all. may God unveil the eyes of those who are judging Encounter with God retreat wrongly and may God forgive them all.</p>
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		By: Deborah (Discerning the World)		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2015 12:55:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/05/16/what-does-an-encounter-mean-or-is-that-a-g12/#comment-450017&quot;&gt;Crissy&lt;/a&gt;.

Crissy

&gt;&gt;  This article amazes me. it seems the authors have no idea what an encounter is..

That is 100% correct, we have no idea because it&#039;s not mentioned in the bible, and if it&#039;s not in the bible then it&#039;s false.  There is a thing called being &#039;born again&#039; that is mentioned in scripture.  This is what we are, born again believers in Jesus Christ the Son of God.

&lt;ol&gt;
John 3:1-5 
1 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews: 
2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said to him, Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that you do, except God be with him. 
3 Jesus answered and said to him, Truly, truly, I say to you, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. 
4 Nicodemus said to him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother&#039;s womb, and be born?
5 Jesus answered, Truly, truly, I say to you, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 

Romans 10:9-10 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

John 1:12  But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:&lt;/ol&gt;



Please tell us how you &#039;encountered&#039; Jesus?  What exactly in as many words as possible is an &#039;encounter&#039;?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/05/16/what-does-an-encounter-mean-or-is-that-a-g12/#comment-450017" >Crissy</a>.</p>
<p>Crissy</p>
<p>>>  This article amazes me. it seems the authors have no idea what an encounter is..</p>
<p>That is 100% correct, we have no idea because it&#8217;s not mentioned in the bible, and if it&#8217;s not in the bible then it&#8217;s false.  There is a thing called being &#8216;born again&#8217; that is mentioned in scripture.  This is what we are, born again believers in Jesus Christ the Son of God.</p>
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John 3:1-5<br />
1 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:<br />
2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said to him, Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that you do, except God be with him.<br />
3 Jesus answered and said to him, Truly, truly, I say to you, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.<br />
4 Nicodemus said to him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother&#8217;s womb, and be born?<br />
5 Jesus answered, Truly, truly, I say to you, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. </p>
<p>Romans 10:9-10 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.</p>
<p>John 1:12  But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:</ol>
<p>Please tell us how you &#8216;encountered&#8217; Jesus?  What exactly in as many words as possible is an &#8216;encounter&#8217;?</p>
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		By: Tom Lessing (Discerning the World)		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2015 06:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/05/16/what-does-an-encounter-mean-or-is-that-a-g12/#comment-450017&quot;&gt;Crissy&lt;/a&gt;.

Crissy,

Would you mind telling us how you encountered Jesus Christ?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/05/16/what-does-an-encounter-mean-or-is-that-a-g12/#comment-450017" >Crissy</a>.</p>
<p>Crissy,</p>
<p>Would you mind telling us how you encountered Jesus Christ?</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2015 03:01:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This article amazes me.  it seems the authors have no idea what an encounter is.. it is a time to encounter God not Satan.  It was an amazing experience that we had to prepare for and then were given more spiritual support afterwards for things experienced. And the G12 vision is a great way to share the love of God with others.  By no means was it evil, demonic or anything negative.  For anyone on this link who has had a negative experience,  even in small churches you have some not so holy people, this church is huge. Its like blaming all of a race for the actions of a few people of that race.  I&#039;m shocked at some of the things I&#039;ve read and even on other blogs.  All I can say is the devil is very busy trying to tear down a vision that is winning souls for God and all who judge or mislead will one day be judged by God.  It&#039;s just sickening to me to see this after the G12 vision did so much to change so many lives in nothing but positive ways.  thank you God for the g12]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article amazes me.  it seems the authors have no idea what an encounter is.. it is a time to encounter God not Satan.  It was an amazing experience that we had to prepare for and then were given more spiritual support afterwards for things experienced. And the G12 vision is a great way to share the love of God with others.  By no means was it evil, demonic or anything negative.  For anyone on this link who has had a negative experience,  even in small churches you have some not so holy people, this church is huge. Its like blaming all of a race for the actions of a few people of that race.  I&#8217;m shocked at some of the things I&#8217;ve read and even on other blogs.  All I can say is the devil is very busy trying to tear down a vision that is winning souls for God and all who judge or mislead will one day be judged by God.  It&#8217;s just sickening to me to see this after the G12 vision did so much to change so many lives in nothing but positive ways.  thank you God for the g12</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[Please read Matthew 7:15-23. Beware of false teachers. We will know them by their fruit. If their G12 leadeers commit sexual immorality, dishonesty, not paying their debt, etc., then that is the reflection of their Preacher.

Have been there but Pastors didn&#039;t do anything when one of their G12 leaders, Robin Jay Albis borrow money to me to finance his delegate for Youth Camp. Pastor Jhun Montano and Bishop Oriel Ballano did&#039;t do anything for him to return the money he borrowed to me when I need it for my job. I almost lost my job when that event happened. Now tell me, how can me and my family will believe these G12 people?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please read Matthew 7:15-23. Beware of false teachers. We will know them by their fruit. If their G12 leadeers commit sexual immorality, dishonesty, not paying their debt, etc., then that is the reflection of their Preacher.</p>
<p>Have been there but Pastors didn&#8217;t do anything when one of their G12 leaders, Robin Jay Albis borrow money to me to finance his delegate for Youth Camp. Pastor Jhun Montano and Bishop Oriel Ballano did&#8217;t do anything for him to return the money he borrowed to me when I need it for my job. I almost lost my job when that event happened. Now tell me, how can me and my family will believe these G12 people?</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[I only saw this article now, but I am so glad that I did.  I have experience with one of these (demonic) encounter sermons. It was powerful, I can tell you that!  

They set the whole stage for the occasion:  You worship for like, forever!  The same song over and over, and make sure that the music is deafening!  They always make the room pitch dark, with some lights here and there (which was always weird to me).  The pastor called the “fire” of God over and over, people fell over when he made this hard blow sound out of his microphone etc.  People started speaking in other (demonic) tongues and trembling.  They force the whole thing on you.  Imagine if Paul preached like that!  

These ministers also call private meetings where they prophesize over each person. Another one of them, always advertise his meetings:  ‘Come and have an encounter with God!’ or &#039;Come receive Impartation&#039; – Seriously?  

Honestly, it’s a clown show! The last meeting we went to we walked out in the middle of the service when everybody started acting like imbeciles, I could not stand the chaos anymore, thank the Holy Spirit.  I could never ever imagine the Holy Spirit or Jesus behaving in this way. Kundalini galore! 

There is a huge outbreak in my home town for a while now with meetings like this.  I could add a few names to your list there.  If you just look at their names, you should stay away.  Most of the ministries here are linked with the late Danie Slabbert’s church in CT, The River Church, as he influenced a lot of pastors.  If you do a search you will see they are all under one hat.

What worries me is that these people actually think they are serving God.  Correction, they think they are God!  Correct them, and you will see the devil coming out of them.  They have all the characteristics of false movements plus more.  They just add to the evil they are doing with these new trends and words they use.  

If the Holy Spirit abides in you, your hairs will quickly stand up when you attend these meetings, as you can almost immediately feel this is NOT from God.  Beware any new trend; it will NOT be of God, if the world follows it.  Do not be deceived.  There is a big difference in preaching the simple Gospel, and preaching the Gospel and at the same time act like a circus and also be demonic.  No souls are saved!

Things are sure changing quickly.  People must wake up!  It is just too easy to become a minister and have a good life in these last days.  It’s all advertisement and new age. 

There are so many scriptures in the Bible regarding the antichrist spirit and false prophets and the end times.  I have no idea how people could argue this.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I only saw this article now, but I am so glad that I did.  I have experience with one of these (demonic) encounter sermons. It was powerful, I can tell you that!  </p>
<p>They set the whole stage for the occasion:  You worship for like, forever!  The same song over and over, and make sure that the music is deafening!  They always make the room pitch dark, with some lights here and there (which was always weird to me).  The pastor called the “fire” of God over and over, people fell over when he made this hard blow sound out of his microphone etc.  People started speaking in other (demonic) tongues and trembling.  They force the whole thing on you.  Imagine if Paul preached like that!  </p>
<p>These ministers also call private meetings where they prophesize over each person. Another one of them, always advertise his meetings:  ‘Come and have an encounter with God!’ or &#8216;Come receive Impartation&#8217; – Seriously?  </p>
<p>Honestly, it’s a clown show! The last meeting we went to we walked out in the middle of the service when everybody started acting like imbeciles, I could not stand the chaos anymore, thank the Holy Spirit.  I could never ever imagine the Holy Spirit or Jesus behaving in this way. Kundalini galore! </p>
<p>There is a huge outbreak in my home town for a while now with meetings like this.  I could add a few names to your list there.  If you just look at their names, you should stay away.  Most of the ministries here are linked with the late Danie Slabbert’s church in CT, The River Church, as he influenced a lot of pastors.  If you do a search you will see they are all under one hat.</p>
<p>What worries me is that these people actually think they are serving God.  Correction, they think they are God!  Correct them, and you will see the devil coming out of them.  They have all the characteristics of false movements plus more.  They just add to the evil they are doing with these new trends and words they use.  </p>
<p>If the Holy Spirit abides in you, your hairs will quickly stand up when you attend these meetings, as you can almost immediately feel this is NOT from God.  Beware any new trend; it will NOT be of God, if the world follows it.  Do not be deceived.  There is a big difference in preaching the simple Gospel, and preaching the Gospel and at the same time act like a circus and also be demonic.  No souls are saved!</p>
<p>Things are sure changing quickly.  People must wake up!  It is just too easy to become a minister and have a good life in these last days.  It’s all advertisement and new age. </p>
<p>There are so many scriptures in the Bible regarding the antichrist spirit and false prophets and the end times.  I have no idea how people could argue this.</p>
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