Comments on: Cobus van Wyngaard – How unique was Jesus suffering?

By: Tom Lessing (Discerning the World)

Tom Lessing (Discerning the World) — Wed, 08 Jul 2015 02:53:29 +0000

In reply to cobus.

cobus wrote,

You can quote me all you want, you’re doing it anyhow, so please proceed if it provides you with joy.
Jesus spent a lot of his time dining with sinners, just sharing a meal. A cup of coffee is much quicker, maybe you should try that some time.

Jesus did not only share meals and a cups of coffee with sinners just for the fun of it, or because He was a member of the mystical Emergent Church. While He had meals with sinners He preached the Gospel to them and in doing so, He – the Word who became flesh – quoted God’s (his Father’s) words to them (John 14:24). I can only imagine that you, if He were still on earth today and you had a meal or cup of coffee with Him, would say to Him, Oh Jesus, “You can quote me all you want, you’re doing it anyhow, so please proceed if it provides you with joy.”

Cobus wrote,

I’m thinking of testing some of what you said empirically. Do you think you can find 10 people who are truly born again? I’d like to put them in separate rooms and ask them to interpret scripture and write the interpretations down. Do you think they will give 10 exactly the same interpretations? Similar interpretations? You can choose the 10. Would it be necessary to give them the same translations if the Holy Spirit is leading them? I can organize that. Could even be KJV is that suits them.

Cobus, you guys from the Emergent Church (like Stephan Joubert) love to play little games. So let’s play a little game, shall we? Let’s imagine you are standing before Jesus Christ and his Judgment Seat. What are you going to say to Him? I can only assume that you will say to Him, “I’m thinking of testing some of what you said empirically. Do you think you can find 10 people who are truly born again? I’d like to put them in separate rooms and ask them to interpret scripture and write the interpretations down. Do you think they will give 10 exactly the same interpretations? Similar interpretations? You can choose the 10. Would it be necessary to give them the same translations if the Holy Spirit is leading them? I can organize that. Could even be KJV is that suits them.”

Do you know what Jesus is going to say to you? You don’t? Well, let me tell you. He will say to you: “Listen Cobus. Do you hear the beautiful singing? They are singing a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by THY BLOOD [not any other criminal’s blood who deserved to die on a cross] out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation. (Revelation 5:9).

But why should you, Cobus, believe Jesus? And where will you be when the redeemed will be singing a new song for Jesus for an eternity? I assume you will be forever testing everything He said empirically because your lecturers from the Synagogue of Satan (Seminar of the Pretoria University) taught you to do so.

By: Deborah (Discerning the World)

Deborah (Discerning the World) — Tue, 23 Nov 2010 13:08:27 +0000

In reply to Dust. Dust Well I hope after all that you are saved. If it does not make sense, read this:

By: Dust

Dust — Tue, 23 Nov 2010 13:05:10 +0000

I admit that I am a little slow. It took me most of my life just to learn that! 🙂
What I mean is that while reading some of these blogs, after a while (my ‘slowness’)
I realized that – to all, except me, there was an understanding, a given, that the ‘one’
doing wrong is to be, immediately, ‘saved’, ‘converted’.
This confused me so I compared it to a thief robbing me at gun-point. To me
it doesn’t matter what he is saying. The bottom line is that he wants my money or whatever.
When I looked at it this way I could see that ‘you’ immediately want to ‘save’
the robber, regardless.
– If none of this makes sense, refer to the first sentence. 8)

By: Deborah (Discerning the World)

Deborah (Discerning the World) — Sun, 21 Nov 2010 06:04:32 +0000

In reply to Felipe. Felipe Exactly.

By: Felipe

Felipe — Sat, 20 Nov 2010 16:33:00 +0000

Seems like an old topic, but we have to remember that Jesus suffering was not just physical on the chross, there he carried our sins and suffered the full fledged wrath of God for it, but as Him being God rose from the dead 3 days later and is now sitting at the right hand of God.

So carrying the sins of ALL of us and suffering for it, now it seems pretty unique doesn’t it?

(hope to have written it correctly, my apologies but english is not my mother language)

By: Yolandi

Yolandi — Tue, 15 Dec 2009 16:19:06 +0000

After reading numouress debates on the emerging church and studying at the faculty of theology for the entire duration of 2009 I have decided not to return. The occult spiritualism taught at the faculty goes hand in hand with emerging church practices that are occurring daily in churches in and around Johannesburg and south africa. At the end of 2007 I decided to leave Mosaiek because they were teaching a different gospel and the same thing is sticking out its ugly head at Tuks Thelological . Cobus let me say this Christ’s suffering was true and real and not “symbolic” …If it was symbolic I would like to ask you this question – What was the need for the death on the cross or even a mention of it? Does sin exsist then? or is it just another fiction of our imagination? The same questions apply to the resurection of Jesus Christ …If you ask Prof Van Aarde he will argue and say that this too was just “symbolic”…

Your views

By: Discerning The World

Discerning The World — Sun, 17 May 2009 17:13:14 +0000

In reply to Discerning The World. Here is the email I will send to all the top notches in South Africa who insist on not telling us the truth. I think this is all I need to say:

By: Discerning The World

Discerning The World — Sun, 17 May 2009 11:37:22 +0000

In reply to Discerning The World.

Cobus, seeing that we don’t want to damange your reputation, I will then have to ask the entire DRC as a whole Church if they are happy that they welcome false teaching, a gospel that denies the divinity of Jesus Christ. This way, the DRC can inform everyone that attends their church on Sundays as to what they REALLY believe.

This will give the people an option to stay and agree or LEAVE and save their souls from futher deception.

Sounds fair?? I mean surely you want to give people the freedom to choose. But this means telling the truth to the people. Because people can’t make decisions on lies now can they.

So instead of asking you to comment, I will ask the entire DRC board (please give me their contact details) and lets see if they have the guts to come clean. Hopefully those pastors who have been found unbiblical in every way will exit the back door, thereby bypassing any damage to their reputation.

By: Amanda

Amanda — Sun, 17 May 2009 11:28:58 +0000

Ds. Cobus van Wyngaard objected to my commentary. The crux of the matter is whether or not his practices fall outside the DRC’s present understanding of what it means to be ‘reformed’, thereby misleading the parents.

The answer is of course not. He is innocent of the charge of introducing something new or undesirable into the DRC.

Ds. Cobus: I apologize for bearing false witness against you, that you are doing something wrong in the eyes of the DRC. That is a lie. I am sorry that my words damaged your professional image. I retract those words unconditionally.

I acknowledge that you are indeed honest and open about your beliefs and practices. Thank you for your patient answers and for clearing up my deception.

By: Discerning The World

Discerning The World — Sat, 09 May 2009 21:04:55 +0000

In reply to Joe.

Good grief Amanda, you’ve got a very good point there. Do the parents know. Also do they understand what a Labyrinth represents??

You know people send thier kids on church camps thinking they will be in safe hands, not realising that their kids are being introduced to Occult practices. Like walking through Labyrinths…oh boy.

I hope that NG church replies to my email I sent, but somehow I don’t think do…would be nice, but I have my suspicions.