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		<title>Comment on At Boshoff from CRC Church shows us how Pharisees went about “Honoring” God by Hester</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2012 10:25:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Momlovesu.  You said &quot;My theory on why others don’t want to “hear” the truth is because it will require an action on their part. Most prefer to “go along to get along” because the other option is to confront and be persecuted.&quot;  Exactly!! but the other side of the coin is also, one has to admit to oneself that you were wrong.  Wow!  How difficult that is! because I use to have all the &quot;right&quot; arguments lined up in terms of what I have learnt at &#039;church&#039; and then suddenly I had to realise but that was not the TRUTH at all! I found myself suddenly thinking what DO I believe now?  And then came the hard work, digging in the Word of God and allowing the Holy Spirit to teach me and daily walking that road.  Walking in the Spirit as opposed to the flesh is a constant, second by second reminder of who we represent and we&#039;d better be prepared for much &#039;pruning&#039; and laying down of self. Ouch!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<span id="co_218065"><p>@ Momlovesu.  You said &#8220;My theory on why others don’t want to “hear” the truth is because it will require an action on their part. Most prefer to “go along to get along” because the other option is to confront and be persecuted.&#8221;  Exactly!! but the other side of the coin is also, one has to admit to oneself that you were wrong.  Wow!  How difficult that is! because I use to have all the &#8220;right&#8221; arguments lined up in terms of what I have learnt at &#8216;church&#8217; and then suddenly I had to realise but that was not the TRUTH at all! I found myself suddenly thinking what DO I believe now?  And then came the hard work, digging in the Word of God and allowing the Holy Spirit to teach me and daily walking that road.  Walking in the Spirit as opposed to the flesh is a constant, second by second reminder of who we represent and we&#8217;d better be prepared for much &#8216;pruning&#8217; and laying down of self. Ouch!!</p>
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		<title>Comment on At Boshoff from CRC Church shows us how Pharisees went about “Honoring” God by Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2012 05:51:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marion wrote;
Secondly, it also takes humility. Jesus said, “Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child shall in no wise enter therein.” (Matt. 18:17) If we are proud, and “have all the answers” and no need to confess that we don’t and are in need of the teaching of the Spirit who leads us into ALL truth – well – “When pride cometh, then cometh shame: but with the lowly is wisdom. The integrity of the upright shall guide them: but the perverseness of transgressors shall destroy them.” (Prov. 11:2,3)

So very true but actually Marion this is not secondary but primarly as the FIRST sin and beginning of man&#039;s fall was and IS PRIDE in all it&#039;s ugly disguises.

Man hates criticism...hates to be told where they are wrong...hates correction...hates discipline...prefers lies and flattery to truth as it strokes the ego and boosts self confidence.

Self worship is the new god of this generation...the late Whitney Houston made a a big hit...&quot;The greatest love of all&quot;...ie to love yourself.
Children are educated that way...discipline has gone and ego, overconfidence is over irrigated and we have a self-cented indifferent, undisciplined irresponsible society.
This is one of the signs of the last days as prophesied in the Word of God.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<span id="co_218062"><p>Marion wrote;<br />
Secondly, it also takes humility. Jesus said, “Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child shall in no wise enter therein.” (Matt. 18:17) If we are proud, and “have all the answers” and no need to confess that we don’t and are in need of the teaching of the Spirit who leads us into ALL truth – well – “When pride cometh, then cometh shame: but with the lowly is wisdom. The integrity of the upright shall guide them: but the perverseness of transgressors shall destroy them.” (Prov. 11:2,3)</p>
<p>So very true but actually Marion this is not secondary but primarly as the FIRST sin and beginning of man&#8217;s fall was and IS PRIDE in all it&#8217;s ugly disguises.</p>
<p>Man hates criticism&#8230;hates to be told where they are wrong&#8230;hates correction&#8230;hates discipline&#8230;prefers lies and flattery to truth as it strokes the ego and boosts self confidence.</p>
<p>Self worship is the new god of this generation&#8230;the late Whitney Houston made a a big hit&#8230;&#8221;The greatest love of all&#8221;&#8230;ie to love yourself.<br />
Children are educated that way&#8230;discipline has gone and ego, overconfidence is over irrigated and we have a self-cented indifferent, undisciplined irresponsible society.<br />
This is one of the signs of the last days as prophesied in the Word of God.</p>
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		<title>Comment on British Israelism and the &#8216;Lost Tribes&#8217; Identity Chrisis by Deborah (Discerning the World)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deborah (Discerning the World)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2012 05:42:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Martin Flanagan

&gt;&gt;  on a different note how does one become born again, on ones own, as by ones self?

I do not understand your question.  Never the less, if you want to understand how to become born again then please read this:  http://www.discerningtheworld.com/from-darkness-to-the-light-salvation-through-jesus-christ/  This is my best way to explain to someone how to get save because it explains everything beautifully.  It&#039;s not short, but it&#039;s simple and it contains everything you need to hear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<span id="co_218060"><p>Martin Flanagan</p>
<p>>>  on a different note how does one become born again, on ones own, as by ones self?</p>
<p>I do not understand your question.  Never the less, if you want to understand how to become born again then please read this:  <a href="http://www.discerningtheworld.com/from-darkness-to-the-light-salvation-through-jesus-christ/"  rel="nofollow">http://www.discerningtheworld.com/from-darkness-to-the-light-salvation-through-jesus-christ/</a>  This is my best way to explain to someone how to get save because it explains everything beautifully.  It&#8217;s not short, but it&#8217;s simple and it contains everything you need to hear.</p>
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		<title>Comment on British Israelism and the &#8216;Lost Tribes&#8217; Identity Chrisis by martin Flanagan</title>
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		<dc:creator>martin Flanagan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Feb 2012 15:05:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your funny debbie lol/ on a different note how does one become born again, on ones own, as by ones self? Keep it simple please.
On another topic, judge in england bans prayers in public places, ireland will soon follow id say. and in your spare time, check this man out. [LINK removed]
Regards 
Martin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<span id="co_218052"><p>Your funny debbie lol/ on a different note how does one become born again, on ones own, as by ones self? Keep it simple please.<br />
On another topic, judge in england bans prayers in public places, ireland will soon follow id say. and in your spare time, check this man out. [LINK removed]<br />
Regards<br />
Martin</p>
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		<title>Comment on Great Disasters Predicted for 2012: How Real is the Danger? by wunmi</title>
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		<dc:creator>wunmi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2012 20:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, I&#039;ve been browsing through the articles on your site, most are very informative for present-day Christians (thanks a lot), but I, like Annie and FollowstheWay, still have reservations concerning the 7-yr tribulation ideology. I have been saved for 8 years now, but recently, in the light of what I have learnt concerning many doctrines floating around (including the Word of Faith one, which I proudly supported for quite a while) I started restudying my bible, with a decision to take what it is in at face value, and not with all the contortions and twists some modern day preachers try to put on certain verses. 

On the 7-yr tribulation deal, I have to admit I&#039;ve come up against a brick wall finding REAL evidence for it in the bible, and I&#039;m trying my best not to &#039;prooftext&#039; (reading the bible to look for backing for a preconceived or already assumed idea).  Anyone reading the bible who has not been taught about this seven year tribulation plan will simply not find it there. Concerning the Daniel 9:27 passage you gave as proof, this is what I see:

Dan 9:25  Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. 

I just checked the concordance of the bible and it dates the writing of the book of Daniel at 605-530 BC. If we use your a week for a year analysis that would mean that the Messiah, Jesus came in at around 535-460 BC. But if we use a day for a year analysis, which is used in scriptures such as Numbers 14:34, Ezekiel 4:6 and Luke 13:32, we get that the Messiah came in around 115-40 BC, which given the fact that we are not clear exactly when the commandment to restore Jerusalem was given is a more accurate analysis. 

And it would be quite odd for a day to represent a year in Daniel 9:25 and a week to represent a year in Daniel 9:27, don&#039;t you think? 

Of course there could be something I&#039;m missing in my analysis so please I would like you to take a closer look at this and let me know if this is still your stance. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<span id="co_218044"><p>Hi, I&#8217;ve been browsing through the articles on your site, most are very informative for present-day Christians (thanks a lot), but I, like Annie and FollowstheWay, still have reservations concerning the 7-yr tribulation ideology. I have been saved for 8 years now, but recently, in the light of what I have learnt concerning many doctrines floating around (including the Word of Faith one, which I proudly supported for quite a while) I started restudying my bible, with a decision to take what it is in at face value, and not with all the contortions and twists some modern day preachers try to put on certain verses. </p>
<p>On the 7-yr tribulation deal, I have to admit I&#8217;ve come up against a brick wall finding REAL evidence for it in the bible, and I&#8217;m trying my best not to &#8216;prooftext&#8217; (reading the bible to look for backing for a preconceived or already assumed idea).  Anyone reading the bible who has not been taught about this seven year tribulation plan will simply not find it there. Concerning the Daniel 9:27 passage you gave as proof, this is what I see:</p>
<p>Dan 9:25  Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. </p>
<p>I just checked the concordance of the bible and it dates the writing of the book of Daniel at 605-530 BC. If we use your a week for a year analysis that would mean that the Messiah, Jesus came in at around 535-460 BC. But if we use a day for a year analysis, which is used in scriptures such as Numbers 14:34, Ezekiel 4:6 and Luke 13:32, we get that the Messiah came in around 115-40 BC, which given the fact that we are not clear exactly when the commandment to restore Jerusalem was given is a more accurate analysis. </p>
<p>And it would be quite odd for a day to represent a year in Daniel 9:25 and a week to represent a year in Daniel 9:27, don&#8217;t you think? </p>
<p>Of course there could be something I&#8217;m missing in my analysis so please I would like you to take a closer look at this and let me know if this is still your stance. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>Comment on At Boshoff from CRC Church shows us how Pharisees went about “Honoring” God by Trisha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trisha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 20:46:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was asking myself similar questions as to why I was so blessed as to have had my eyes opened to the real gospel and been shepherded by Him out of the harlot church, when others who seemed sincere and were doing their best to serve God were continuing to labour with a false gospel.  I was no better than these folks, and they were no worse than me.  Maybe there is more to it, however, the only difference I could find was the suffering I had experienced in my life.  In other words, a little thing called a cross!!!  Only by having the veil of our flesh torn through the carrying of a cross, the crucifixion of our flesh nature, is it possible to enter into the kingdom of God.  In other words by walking the same narrow Way that Jesus walked, and this is what it means to follow Him.  Crossless Christianity is not what we have received from the apostles and prophets, Christianity without a cross is merely another religion that uses His name and gets off onto all kinds of tangents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<span id="co_218023"><p>I was asking myself similar questions as to why I was so blessed as to have had my eyes opened to the real gospel and been shepherded by Him out of the harlot church, when others who seemed sincere and were doing their best to serve God were continuing to labour with a false gospel.  I was no better than these folks, and they were no worse than me.  Maybe there is more to it, however, the only difference I could find was the suffering I had experienced in my life.  In other words, a little thing called a cross!!!  Only by having the veil of our flesh torn through the carrying of a cross, the crucifixion of our flesh nature, is it possible to enter into the kingdom of God.  In other words by walking the same narrow Way that Jesus walked, and this is what it means to follow Him.  Crossless Christianity is not what we have received from the apostles and prophets, Christianity without a cross is merely another religion that uses His name and gets off onto all kinds of tangents.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Jesus Image Appears on MRI Scan? by Martin Flanagan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin Flanagan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 13:25:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello to all,
Nothing Happens in this world unless GOD through his son Lord Jesus Christ allows it to happen, Book of Job. There is great power in having faith in jesus , so regardless of what poision is in the food its best to bless it and thank GOD for it and have Faith, Im a sinner and i have been made aware that its entirely up to Jesus what happens in my life, while observing many things on websites , false teachings etc etc, I feel i understand why Jesus left us with one Instruction, cause he pre knows what is going to happen, his instruction is to believe in Him and Know he is Our Lord, Its Very difficult and its getting Harder for everyone and will get much worse, But hey we must pray for our persecuters for we in times to come will be slain, In my own words the sooner the s...t hits the fan in this modern age the better.GOD BLESS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<span id="co_218015"><p>Hello to all,<br />
Nothing Happens in this world unless GOD through his son Lord Jesus Christ allows it to happen, Book of Job. There is great power in having faith in jesus , so regardless of what poision is in the food its best to bless it and thank GOD for it and have Faith, Im a sinner and i have been made aware that its entirely up to Jesus what happens in my life, while observing many things on websites , false teachings etc etc, I feel i understand why Jesus left us with one Instruction, cause he pre knows what is going to happen, his instruction is to believe in Him and Know he is Our Lord, Its Very difficult and its getting Harder for everyone and will get much worse, But hey we must pray for our persecuters for we in times to come will be slain, In my own words the sooner the s&#8230;t hits the fan in this modern age the better.GOD BLESS</p>
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		<title>Comment on Spiritual Deception, Revival and Angus Buchan by james lucas</title>
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		<dc:creator>james lucas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 04:01:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some people talk, and some people do. Angus gets it done. I respect the man, and expect he will continue to ring the dinner bell of healing for the meal of salvation. JRL recon marine, men&#039;s facilitator, psd medic, bible scholar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<span id="co_218009"><p>Some people talk, and some people do. Angus gets it done. I respect the man, and expect he will continue to ring the dinner bell of healing for the meal of salvation. JRL recon marine, men&#8217;s facilitator, psd medic, bible scholar.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Gay man sues Zondervan for mental anguish by LaShawn</title>
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		<dc:creator>LaShawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2012 22:15:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Author B.L.Fowler, also known as &quot;the gay man who sued the Bible publishers&quot;, has unleashed a riveting fiction novel conveying both scriptural wisdom and constitutional law, which prohibits discrimination against homosexuals. In fact, the main character of his new novel Professor Stanley Defends The Word of God, sets out on an identical quest to understand why God is displeased with homosexuality; only to learn that present day Bible committee members incorporated the ideology within the scriptures during revisions.

As a result, the World History college professor files a civil complaint in  federal court that erupts into the trial of the Century. Surprisingly, the outcome of this litigation unfolds a new world idealism towards same-sex marriage.

To find out more about this riveting new book, log on to
http://www.amazon.com/Professor-Stanley-Defends-Word-God/dp/1468058401/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1329428217&amp;sr=8-1</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<span id="co_218006"><p>Author B.L.Fowler, also known as &#8220;the gay man who sued the Bible publishers&#8221;, has unleashed a riveting fiction novel conveying both scriptural wisdom and constitutional law, which prohibits discrimination against homosexuals. In fact, the main character of his new novel Professor Stanley Defends The Word of God, sets out on an identical quest to understand why God is displeased with homosexuality; only to learn that present day Bible committee members incorporated the ideology within the scriptures during revisions.</p>
<p>As a result, the World History college professor files a civil complaint in  federal court that erupts into the trial of the Century. Surprisingly, the outcome of this litigation unfolds a new world idealism towards same-sex marriage.</p>
<p>To find out more about this riveting new book, log on to<br />
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		<description>Deborah,

This actually concerns another of William Saunders - first rate articles concerning his research about Chuck Missler at William&#039;s blog site:

http://ephesians511blog.blogspot.com/2012/02/apostasy-of-dr-chuck-missler.html

William doesn&#039;t post any email address to respond - and I don&#039;t have any of the blog accounts his blog requires to leave a comment - but I think this will be helpful information in general to anyone following his research - 

Another first rate article with one glaring default - 

William,

I appreciate the Chuck Missler articles - you and Donna Martin of Fanatic for Jesus have documented on your respective blogs.

However, I think you impugned some of your &quot;homework&quot; by including the Dr Walter Martin TBN appearance picture and by it&#039;s inclusion, will cause many readers to infer that Dr Martin (now deceased) was in the same kind of error that OTHERS prominently mentioned time and again in your articles - ARE.

If everyone who ever befriended Chuck Missler through the years are now - guilty by association - a lot of VERY Godly people are in &quot;trouble&quot;.

But, that is not the case, many were misled, yes, and as your research and that of Donna Martin has proved - his deceptions through the years were very clever, very well hidden, and even now, some Godly leaders still want to give him (Chuck) the benefit of the doubt, but hopefully continued research will persuade them - 

2 Peters 2:1 ESV But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction.

Jackie Alnor of Apostasy Alert (http://www.apostasyalert.org/) documented Dr Martin&#039;s appearance on TBN in this blog - 

http://rrrapostasyalert.blogspot.com/2011/03/march-11-2011-apostasy-alert-show.html

and a 5 part post to YouTube - a home recording of the broadcast she taped.

Part 1 - Dr Walter Martin - TBN
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4-DFSFBeT8

&quot;Uploaded by jalnor on Mar 13, 2011

Walter Martin defending the faith, circa 1985, on TBN with host Doug Clark. Neither the host nor the guest were ever invited back and the program was not reaired the following Monday as it was scheduled.&quot;

&quot;I stayed home to work the VCR I didn&#039;t know how to program, while my two sisters attended, one in the green room and one in the audience we had stacked with many friends. Walter gave it to them with both barrels. Not only was the program not replayed at its regular slot, but the tapes were not available when people followed up to request one. 

Back in those days any Praise-the-Lord program could be bought on audio cassette for a small fee. And both Walter Martin and Doug Clark were never invited back. We had heard years later from Doug Clark that during the interview he kept receiving notes via the stage manager from Jan Crouch calling in telling Doug to &quot;shut that guy up&quot; and other nasty comments.&quot;

In light of this research, My hope is you&#039;ll revise your blog to exclude the Dr Martin picture and reference.

David Troxell

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<span id="co_217998"><p>Deborah,</p>
<p>This actually concerns another of William Saunders &#8211; first rate articles concerning his research about Chuck Missler at William&#8217;s blog site:</p>
<p><a target="_blank" href="http://ephesians511blog.blogspot.com/2012/02/apostasy-of-dr-chuck-missler.html"  rel="nofollow">http://ephesians511blog.blogspot.com/2012/02/apostasy-of-dr-chuck-missler.html</a></p>
<p>William doesn&#8217;t post any email address to respond &#8211; and I don&#8217;t have any of the blog accounts his blog requires to leave a comment &#8211; but I think this will be helpful information in general to anyone following his research &#8211; </p>
<p>Another first rate article with one glaring default &#8211; </p>
<p>William,</p>
<p>I appreciate the Chuck Missler articles &#8211; you and Donna Martin of Fanatic for Jesus have documented on your respective blogs.</p>
<p>However, I think you impugned some of your &#8220;homework&#8221; by including the Dr Walter Martin TBN appearance picture and by it&#8217;s inclusion, will cause many readers to infer that Dr Martin (now deceased) was in the same kind of error that OTHERS prominently mentioned time and again in your articles &#8211; ARE.</p>
<p>If everyone who ever befriended Chuck Missler through the years are now &#8211; guilty by association &#8211; a lot of VERY Godly people are in &#8220;trouble&#8221;.</p>
<p>But, that is not the case, many were misled, yes, and as your research and that of Donna Martin has proved &#8211; his deceptions through the years were very clever, very well hidden, and even now, some Godly leaders still want to give him (Chuck) the benefit of the doubt, but hopefully continued research will persuade them &#8211; </p>
<p>2 Peters 2:1 ESV But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction.</p>
<p>Jackie Alnor of Apostasy Alert (<a target="_blank" href="http://www.apostasyalert.org/"  rel="nofollow">http://www.apostasyalert.org/</a>) documented Dr Martin&#8217;s appearance on TBN in this blog &#8211; </p>
<p><a target="_blank" href="http://rrrapostasyalert.blogspot.com/2011/03/march-11-2011-apostasy-alert-show.html"  rel="nofollow">http://rrrapostasyalert.blogspot.com/2011/03/march-11-2011-apostasy-alert-show.html</a></p>
<p>and a 5 part post to YouTube &#8211; a home recording of the broadcast she taped.</p>
<p>Part 1 &#8211; Dr Walter Martin &#8211; TBN<br />
<a target="_blank" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4-DFSFBeT8"  rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4-DFSFBeT8</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Uploaded by jalnor on Mar 13, 2011</p>
<p>Walter Martin defending the faith, circa 1985, on TBN with host Doug Clark. Neither the host nor the guest were ever invited back and the program was not reaired the following Monday as it was scheduled.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;I stayed home to work the VCR I didn&#8217;t know how to program, while my two sisters attended, one in the green room and one in the audience we had stacked with many friends. Walter gave it to them with both barrels. Not only was the program not replayed at its regular slot, but the tapes were not available when people followed up to request one. </p>
<p>Back in those days any Praise-the-Lord program could be bought on audio cassette for a small fee. And both Walter Martin and Doug Clark were never invited back. We had heard years later from Doug Clark that during the interview he kept receiving notes via the stage manager from Jan Crouch calling in telling Doug to &#8220;shut that guy up&#8221; and other nasty comments.&#8221;</p>
<p>In light of this research, My hope is you&#8217;ll revise your blog to exclude the Dr Martin picture and reference.</p>
<p>David Troxell</p>
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